The Yacub Theory: 101

[Pioneer1]

@umbrarchist
I promised that when I had more time I would go into a brief explanation of the Yakub theory as taught by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.

Although I don't KNOW if it's true or not since I wasn't around to witness it...I believe it because it makes more sense than some "evolution" garbage that White folks and ONLY White folks came up with...and people of color later on began to just "accept" like most things White folks present to them....to explain their origins.


Forget the bullshit you've seen and heard on the internet CLAIMING to explain Yakub, who he was, and what he did or what Elijah Muhammad said about the making of White people.
Forget those Youtube disinformation videos of some big headed nigga with a gold chain and robe on claiming to be "Yacub" preaching to White folks, which seems to be an effort to discredit the ACTUAL theory and fill it full of lies and ridiculousness to the point that most folks wouldn't dare take it seriously.
 

I'm going to give you a simplified but accurate version of what he taught without the contamination.
 

First of all the Elijah Muhammad taught that humanity is TRILLIONS of years old and that many many civilizations and worlds have come and gone.  They go in cycles.
As advanced as THIS world appears to be, we've had FAR more advanced worlds and civilizations before this one and will have many many more FAR more advanced worlds and civilizations after this one is destroyed.

 

Infact, as a quick aside.....
As an engineer you may be interested in the fact that the Nation of Islam claims that there are about 60,000 books of mathematics...many of which are MUCH more profound and higher than this lightweight stuff practiced and taught in the West like calculus, trigonometry, etc..
He taught that of those 60,000 books of mathematics, ONLY ONE of those books were given to White folks for them to build their civilization upon but the other 59,999 are far more profound and advanced.
This is the type of mathematics we built the pyramids and other monuments with that are still standing despite thousands of years and Earthquakes.

Anyway.....
  
During this particular cycle...about 7000 years ago, a boy named Yakub while playing with two pieces of metal and noticing that they had a magnetic effect on eachother discovered that "unalike" objects often attract the opposite of what they are.  This discovery as a boy set him on a journey of research and study and as he got older he discovered while looking through a microscope (yes we not only had microscopes but MORE than that) that there exists in human beings two genes...a darker and a lighter.

You see this today when two Black parents will produce a darker child and a lighter child.
Sometimes they even produce an albino...but that's a different subject all together.

He said he would make a new people who are lighter and lighter until they are White and use their "unalike" being to attract and  rule over the rest of the Black world.

He started preaching this around his community and eventually gathered a following and him and his followers of about 60,000 were exiled to an island out in the middle of the Aegan Sea

On that island he convinced his followers to start this experiment of making a new "white" people who would one day rule the world and he implemented a protocol of SELECTIVE BREEDING to produce this.

 

First of all it should be noted that Yakub and his followers were Black but weren't African.
They were of the Asian Black race.

There are TWO types of Black people...the Asian Black man and the African Black man.
The Asian Black man...most notably found in India today...is very dark but has straight hair, thin nose, and thin mouth like what we'd attribute to White people.
Unlike the African Black man who has kinky hair and broader features.

 

His selective breeding process was simple....
Of the current population, make sure only the lightest skinned ones would mate and reproduce with eachother.
If dark skinned people wanted to mate...they could only mate with a lighter skinned person.
Two dark skinned people couldn't mate with eachother and if they did and a baby was produced....that baby was killed.

Now at first, you only had Black and dark brown people mating with eachother so there wasn't that big of a noticeable difference, but each generation got lighter and lighter and after a few generations....NO Black people were around..only brown skinned people.
Then tan, then yellowish, until after 600 years of this, White people...many of whom had blonde hair and blue eyes.... were produced.

 

This occurred approximately 6000 years ago.

 

After this population of White people came into being, they went back to the main lands of Asia and Africa to conquer and rule over the people using deception and violence.

 

 

 

There is much more to this story after this event, but I'll end it right here for now.
While you weigh whether to accept or reject the NOI's theory of Yakub, here's a few things for you to consider:

 

1. All over the world today regardless of nation or race, you find this support and love for the lighter complexion and disdain and rejection of the darker complexion.
Seems pretty unusual since so many people are naturally born dark skinned; so why would they have such an ingrained hate or dislike or themselves, unless it was INSTILLED into their culture at some point in the past.
 

 

 

2. Scientific articles have been out for some time now but resurface from time to time claiming that ALL people with blue eyes came from a common ancestor about 6000 years ago.

 

Blue-eyed humans have a single, common ancestor | ScienceDaily

 

Everyone With Blue Eyes May Descend From a Single Human Ancestor (popularmechanics.com)

 

Humanity has been on the planet HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of years (or trillions of years if you believe Elijah Muhammad), so is it just a coincidence that this ancestor with blue eyes happened to be dated the same time as Yakub's experiment?

 

 

 

3. Going back to the point about advanced mathematics and how the ancient Black man's math was far more advanced than what we have today.
Whether it's true or not, the actor Terrence Howard is all over the internet claiming to have "discovered" a new type of math.
This is nothing new.  Black men constantly "invent" things that are far more advanced and beyond this Western civilization's science because this civilization is limited.
Like I said, the NOI claims they were only given ONE book of 60,000. If this is true, we didn't actually invent it; it already existed and was practiced by our Ancestors...but White folks just didn't know about it and thus couldn't teach us.
We THINK we invent a lot of this stuff but it existed MILLIONS of years ago and it's in our very NATURE to figure it out and express it today.

Infact, MUSIC...which we clearly excel in...is mathematics.
Holding a beat, sequencing, rhythm -these are advanced forms of mathematics...PRACTICAL mathematics....that even little Black kids on the sidewalk can whoop the hell out of the average "well educated" White man in.

Say what?
You say Western science is much more advanced than that Voodoo and Santeria that Africans and Indians use?
Well, Voodoo Doctors can make snakes and other animals grow inside human beings...can Western doctors and scientists to that?
 

The science and knowledge of our ancient Ancestors are FAR more profound and advanced than this lightweight shit White folks have.
Which is why they often call their so-called professions a "practice".
While they PRACTICE science...we MASTERED it.
 

The average Black PIMP on the streets can whoop the hell out of the average White psychologist on how the mind actually works...lol.
 

There is much more detail to this theory and those who know it well will know that I kept a lot of the information out in order to simplify it, but I'll let you digest it and decide on it's validity.

If you have questions or want more details about certain things, I'll answer and provide them if I can.
 

[Troy]

How was this knowledge obtained by Honorable Elijah Muhammad?

 

I appreciate the time and effort you put into proving this explanation @Pioneer1.  It was interesting reading. Was it meant to be taken literally, or is a myth?

 

Am I understanding this correctly if I conclude that you are saying that white people emerged about 6,000 years ago?

 

Well parts of it resonate in that I believe humans may have been more advanced in the past in ways that we can't understand today.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

How was this knowledge obtained by Honorable Elijah Muhammad?

I believe the knowledge was passed down from Wallace Fard Muhammad before he disappeared.

[aka Contrarian]

Doesn't Westetn science say, in layman terms, that white people were mutated aberrations who, after being ostracized and driven out of the black tribes, banded together and gravitated out of Africa into colder climates, increasing their numbers by replicating themselves, gradually becoming a variation of the human race?

Why should Elijah Muhammad's version be any more believable or plausible, especially since it has no archeological proof.

 Who is to say which explanation should take precedence over the other?  Believe whatever you choose to.  The past is the past. The present is the present. They don't  have to void each other.  Esoteric information doesn't necessarily invalidate existing knowledge. imo.

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

 

How was this knowledge obtained by Honorable Elijah Muhammad?

 

As ProfD already pointed out, it was taught to him by a man who went by Prophet W.D. Fard back in the 1930s.
 

 

 

 

I appreciate the time and effort you put into proving this explanation @Pioneer1.  It was interesting reading. Was it meant to be taken literally, or is a myth?

 

Oh no, it's to be taken LITERALLY.
Like I said, I don't know for sure if it's absolutely true like 2 + 2 = 4.  But I believe the Yakub Theory more than I believe the Theory of Evolution.

 

 

 

Am I understanding this correctly if I conclude that you are saying that white people emerged about 6,000 years ago?
 

Yes.

Is there any evidence that THEY go back any further?

We have pictures of Black and Brown people on the wall of the Pyramids in both Africa and the Americas as well as painting all around the world that go back tens of thousands of years....but no White folks are in them, lol.


 

 

Well parts of it resonate in that I believe humans may have been more advanced in the past in ways that we can't understand today

 

Most ancient and indigenous cultures around the world also believe this...literally.
If you talk to the Indigenous peoples of the planet, all of them say that humans were more technologically and spiritually advanced in the past and that the "Gods" dwelt among them.
They teach that humanity DE-VOLVED to this time period, rather than E-volved like the Caucasians teach.

Maybe BOTH are correct....respectively.

 

 

I haven't let this Terrence Howard thing go yet.

People are ridiculing him about his discovering new math.
They'll clown on him and ridicule him just long enough to study everything he's saying and teaching....STEAL IT from him...and then in a generation or two pin the new findings on some goofy looking White boy as the "discoverer" of it.
 

[Troy]

On 9/10/2024 at 12:53 PM, ProfD said:

Wallace Fard Muhammad

OK, then how did Master Fard acquire this information?

 

On 9/10/2024 at 5:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Is there any evidence that THEY go back any further?

Well, we recorded history doesn’t even go back 6000 years so What evidence would you expect to see?

 

On 9/10/2024 at 5:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

We have pictures of Black and Brown people on the wall of the Pyramids in both Africa and the Americas

How old is the oldest of these pyramids?
 

On 9/10/2024 at 5:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

People are ridiculing him about his discovering new math.

I could see why they might do that. How did a Terrence Howard discover “new” math? I thought he was a Jehovah’s Witness. What does new math mean anyway? If  you posted about this previously share link.

 

On 9/10/2024 at 5:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

that humans were more technologically and spiritually advanced in the past and that the "Gods" dwelt among them

There are people that say this is true today so that’s not really anything new.
 

On 9/9/2024 at 8:02 PM, Pioneer1 said:

humanity is TRILLIONS of years old

I find it difficult to wrap my mind around 1 billion years. Trillions of years is just crazy. many scientists today including black ones believe our entire universe is 14 billion years old. now you’re saying that human beings have been around two orders of magnitude longer. to me that is just as crazy sounding as the people who believe the earth is only 6000 years old. 
 

But what do I know?

[umbrarchist]

That is basically the same story I read but with more detail than I remember, if it was included.

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

OK, then how did Master Fard acquire this information?

 

I'm not sure, but this type of question could be asked about MOST of the information we are given in an academic setting.
You could stand up and ask the professor where did he or the people who wrote the books that he promotes or asks his students to study, get the information from...and where did THEY get it from...and so on and so forth.

 

I'm more focused on whether or not it's TRUE.

 

I mentioned before and I think you actually ordered and carried the book called "Making Of The White Man".

That book and the research the author provided solidified a lot my beliefs in the Yakub theory by providing a lot of documented history and science that supports many of Muhammad's claims in a way that simply telling the story doesn't.

 

It's like telling a kid that the sun is a star and leaving it at that.
They'll find it very hard to believe UNLESS you go into detail AND they have some background knowledge in astronomy and science.

 

 

 

Well, we recorded history doesn’t even go back 6000 years so What evidence would you expect to see?

 

It depends on who's keeping the records...lol.

 

The Vatican is FULL of ancient books and scrolls that they stole from indigenous peoples around the planet when Europeans went around enslaving and colonizing others.

They'd burn up their libraries (like the ones in Egypt and the Americas) and take their ancient manuscript and ship them back to Europe....I presume to study them and acquire the knowledge for themselves.
All the while claiming to be "good Catholics" who believed wholeheartedly in the Bible.

 

 

 

 

Were these scripts less than 6000 years old, or much older?

I'm not sure.
But I'm guessing they are far older.

 

 

 

 

How old is the oldest of these pyramids?

 

Not sure, but I've heard they were at least 10,000 years old.

 

 

I could see why they might do that. How did a Terrence Howard discover “new” math? I thought he was a Jehovah’s Witness. What does new math mean anyway? If  you posted about this previously share link.

Here's a video of him addressing students at Oxford

 

 

 

I find it difficult to wrap my mind around 1 billion years. Trillions of years is just crazy. many scientists today including black ones believe our entire universe is 14 billion years old. now you’re saying that human beings have been around two orders of magnitude longer. to me that is just as crazy sounding as the people who believe the earth is only 6000 years old. 
 

But what do I know?

Well, we KNOW for a fact that we've been lied to for many centuries by those who were supposed to be educating the people.
 

First they claim that the world is only 6000 years ago and began with a creation story.

Later on they claimed that it's much older by "other beings" were on the planet and that humans were only 6000 years old.
 

Then "science" comes along and says that humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years but "modern" humans have only been around  -come on man, lol.

Get your lies straight.

 

The ancients say that humanity is much much older than what White scientists claim it is.
We can agree on THAT...even if we can't agree on the estimations.

 

[ProfD]

15 hours ago, Troy said:

I find it difficult to wrap my mind around 1 billion years. Trillions of years is just crazy. many scientists today including black ones believe our entire universe is 14 billion years old. now you’re saying that human beings have been around two orders of magnitude longer. to me that is just as crazy sounding as the people who believe the earth is only 6000 years old. 

Yep.  The trillions of years is a trip.

 

In billions of years, scientists claim the universe (14 billion) and Earth (5 billion). 

 

According to scientists, the Earth is scheduled to survive another 5 billion years until the sun burns out. 

 

There's proof that civilized human beings have existed for more than 6,000 years. 

 

But, I'm wondering if *they* picked that 6,000 number arbitrarily similar to the way our calendar puts us at 2024 A.D. 

 

Otherwise, we should be in year 8024 or if humans have been around for 300,000 years, we should be in year 302024.

 

Regardless, human existence is a blip compared to the age of the Earth and universe.  We will be long gone before the sun turns out the lights too. 

 

Homo Sapien means "thinking man" (human).  For as long as humans have been around, we still do a lot of dumb sh8t. 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Well, like I said earlier...for CENTURIES they were going around telling people that humanity is no older than 6,000 years..and using the Bible and the alleged "creation" of Adam to justify it.

 

 

But, I'm wondering if *they* picked that 6,000 number arbitrarily similar to the way our calendar puts us at 2024 A.D. 

 

They picked that number because in reality, THEY are no older than 6,000 years....but the rest of humanity is.

 

 

 

 

Otherwise, we should be in year 8024 or if humans have been around for 300,000 years, we should be in year 302024.

Remember when I told you that I left out a lot of details in Elijah Muhammad's teachings, in order to make my post brief?

The Original Man's Calendar was one of those details..lol.

Elijah Muhammad taught that humanity on this planet starts a new cycle every 25,000 years.

Every 25,000 years the old civilizations are brought down and new ones are constructed and a new calendar begins.

The original Black Asians of India (Dravidians) also teach and believe this.  These time periods are known as EPOCHS

Anyway.....

Elijah Muhammad taught that Yacub was born and did his work around the year 9,000 of OUR calendar  (or 4,600 B.C. of the White man's calendar) OF this current 25,000 year cycle that we are living in.
He lived to be 150 year old and died, and less than 600 years later (around 4,000 B.C.) the White race as a final product of selective breeding emerged.

According to him, we are between the 15,000 and 16,000 years range in our calendar and have over 9,000 more years to go before this cycle ends and the next cycle begins.

Not saying I agree or disagree, but those are his teachings.
 

[Troy]

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You could stand up and ask the professor where did he or the people who wrote the books that he promotes or asks his students to study, get the information from...and where did THEY get it from...and so on and so forth.

 

The professor would not say that guy who told me, who was told some other person, ad infinitum.  The professor would say that there is an experiment, that can be reproduced, which tells us the how long man has been on or how old the Earth itself is.

 

Besides a couple of billion years is more than enough time for another Homo Sapien reach to great technical heights and completely obliterate themselves.

 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm more focused on whether or not it's TRUE.

 

Yes, metoo.  People can say anything, but what can they prove?

 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But I'm guessing they are far older.

 

OK. show me something, that is backed by more than someone's words.

 

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Not sure, but I've heard they were at least 10,000 years old.

 

OK, which pyramid are you talking about?

 

I'll watch the video and get back to you.

 

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

 

I don't know of any "experiment" that allows you to determine how old the Earth is.
You have carbon dating and other methods that can give you an estimate age of certain material, but the entire planet????
When it comes to that....

Like the old saying goes:  Your GUESS is as good as mine...lol.

As far as showing you the dates for the construction of these hieroglyphs, monuments, and pyramids...I can't do that.

To my knowledge, they didn't come with a time-stamp on them in the bottom corner, lol.

Two things I will point out again......

1. Whether we want to believe the planet is BILLIONS of years old or TRILLIONS of years old, we know for sure that it didn't begin around 4,000 B.C. like Western civilization  taught and enforced for centuries.
We KNOW that's a lie.

2. Western science...that so many people love to put their faith and trust in...has a well known and documented history lies, revisions, and deceptions.
Putting your trust in THEM and their "findings" to determine the truth about anything wouldn't be the wisest choice.
 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Like the old saying goes:  Your GUESS is as good as mine...lol.

Putting your trust in THEM and their "findings" to determine the truth about anything wouldn't be the wisest choice.

That logic can be applied to d8mn near everything we read from science to religion.

 

i like that old saying, believe half of what you can see and none of what you've heard. 

[Pioneer1]

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

That logic can be applied to d8mn near everything we read from science to religion.

 

i like that old saying, believe half of what you can see and none of what you've heard. 

If you weren't around to witness it for yourself...you DON'T actually "know" that it's true.
You can infer and come to different conclusions based on the evidence you see and what other people who MAY have witnessed it, tell you.
But when you're talking about historical events and monuments past....say 100 years....how do you KNOW for 100% ABSOLUTE FACT that it happened the way you read about or on the date given?

The U.S. Civil War happened less than 200 years ago and historians are STILL coming out with new books every other year about it with "new" details emerging about this or that.

Ofcourse the modern academic system TRAINS a lot of our people, not to think for themselves and question what they're being told...but to simply pay attention to the information they've being given and regurgitate it back during tests and examinations.

Whoever can spit the "official narrative" back most accurately is the one who gets the highest grades and graduates with honors.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

If you weren't around to witness it for yourself...you DON'T actually "know" that it's true.

Right. As NF Jr. would say when asked about such things..."I dont know" would be the correct response.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

But when you're talking about historical events and monuments past....say 100 years....how do you KNOW for 100% ABSOLUTE FACT that it happened the way you read about or on the date given?

It really doesn't matter. A whole bunch of useless information to stimulate non-productive dialog or conversation that most likely will lead to arguments.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

The U.S. Civil War happened less than 200 years ago and historians are STILL coming out with new books every other year about it with "new" details emerging about this or that.

That's how folks make money. Keep recycling the same sh8t over and over again using the latest technology. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Ofcourse the modern academic system TRAINS a lot of our people, not to think for themselves and question what they're being told...but to simply pay attention to the information they've being given and regurgitate it back during tests and examinations.

By design, the educational system produces people to fulfill certain roles from the labor force to prisons and everything else.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Well, we can be polite and keep the conversation going by offering our opinions and judgements and beliefs about certain things.

If we ONLY talked about what we ABSOLUTELY KNEW for sure, the planet would be mighty quiet...lol.

Forget about singing and rapping and poetry....lol.

 

I knew a brutha like that back in Detroit.
He would ONLY talk about what he absolutely knew and experienced and would only tell you what he believed to be the FACTS
You can only imagine what it was like having a conversation....or TRYING to have one with him...lol.

He used to chill in a particular establishment a lot of us in the Black Consciousness community would frequent to drop science and get up on things.

He'd be sitting in there at a table sometimes with others and sometimes by himself looking ahead waiting on somebody to say something to him.
He didn't even say "good morning" because he wasn't sure if it was good or not that day, lol.

If you ask him something....he'd answer....but that was it, LOL.

He'd just sit up there with his two legs together and some peppermint candy in his mouth, looking at you.
He'd barely blink and he'd just look at you sucking on a piece of candy in his mouth, waiting on you to say something else....or leave.

After a minute of that....you'd have to either walk away or bust out laughing at the situation...LOL.

Anyway.......

When it comes to science and education, that's when we have to be extra careful and particular...in my opinion.

Math and language is one thing....although language is often tricky too.
But ALL of the history we got from Caucasians need to be re-examined and sourced.
 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well, we can be polite and keep the conversation going by offering our opinions and judgements and beliefs about certain things.

Surely. We can discuss any subjects and use the information creatively too. As long as it doesn't turn negative or violent.

 

I'd imagine having a conversation with NF Jr. would be similar to that brotha in Detroit. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

When it comes to science and education, that's when we have to be extra careful and particular...in my opinion.

Math and language is one thing....although language is often tricky too.
But ALL of the history we got from Caucasians need to be re-examined and sourced.

People should use knowledge and information that is most relevant to elevating their station. By extension, that includes the community too.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

I'd imagine having a conversation with NF Jr. would be similar to that brotha in Detroit. 
 

Not even close...lol.

Atleast Mr.Fuller does elaborate and go into detail when you ask him questions.  He likes to give examples and illustrations and knows how to keep up the conversation and ask questions.
Especially when he's doing a radio show and know the listeners don't want to hear a bunch of silence.

But this particular brutha wouldn't bother with all of that.
 

You ask him about the Moors in Spain and he'll give you the dates they occupied Spain.
Then abruptly stop talking and look at you, playing with some candy in his mouth (he wasn't gay though...lol).
If you didn't know him, you'd think you must have said something wrong or pissed him off. 

He would ONLY answer your questions.
 

The only other time he'd talk was if he was ordering some coffee or tea from the establishment.
This was before everybody was running around with cell phones.

He'd thumb through a few magazines and books, but would mostly sit there looking ahead either answering somebody's question or waiting on one.

That brutha was a trip....lol

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Atleast Mr.Fuller does elaborate and go into detail when you ask him questions.  He likes to give examples and illustrations and knows how to keep up the conversation and ask questions.

You're right. NF Jr. would be involved in the conversation up to the point of VGQs.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But this particular brutha wouldn't bother with all of that.

He would ONLY answer your questions.

That brutha was a trip....lol

Reads like that brotha was on some type of Zen monk sh8t.