Should We Go For A Solid And Understood 2nd Tier Status?

[Pioneer1]

In the United States atleast, Caucasians (or White people for those who prefer that term) are in power.

For whatever reason The SUPREME BEING has allowed Caucasians to attain power and so far they are KEEPING power and we don't know how long they will BE in power.

Regardless of religions, prophecies, and predictions.....they haven't been removed from power YET.
Maybe they will be removed TOMORROW.
Maybe they will be in power for the next 10 years.
Maybe they will be removed from power sometime within the next 100 years.
We don't know.
The SUPREME BEING knows.....we don't.
But we DO know that they are in power right now.

As long as Caucasians are in power....in the United States atleast....I'm wondering should AfroAmericans openly and outright ask the Caucasians in power to be their "right hand" so to speak.
-to request "2nd Class" status OVER other groups....and ACCEPT it if they agree collectively to it?


I know to some and perhaps even most AfroAmericans, this consideration would be absolutely outrageous and unacceptable.
However from a LOGICAL point of view, if a person is in prison and hasn't found a way out YET...should they not go to the authorities OF that institution and try to request the most comfortable position there and accept it as long as they ARE there?

I think this is more logical than constantly arguing and bickering with White people over this and that while these other groups are coming in trying to make alliance with them, kiss and suck up to them, and not only take our place (what "place" at this point???) and even try to bump AfroAmericans out their way to get the position for themselves.

Hell, some of them may even treat AfroAmericans WORSE than White folks if they got in the same position any higher position.
Look at how so many of these Asians and Latinos and Arabs treat AfroAmericans NOW on the job and in their businesses.
They tend to be FAR more openly racist than most White folks

If we live in a multi-racial/ethnic society and White folks are adamant about keeping their top tier position and SOMEBODY has to occupy 2nd place, why not US?

It also puts us in a more powerful position than we are already in, since the competition with these other groups will lessen and in most cases even cease IF they know and understand that politically, economically, and even socially WE are ahead of and above them in rank and that White folks will likely ENFORCE this status and make sure they understand and respect it.

[umbrarchist]

To me that presents a peculiar perspective of how power works.

 

It is half-a-century after the Moon landing and White economists cannot talk about planned obsolescence in automobiles or suggest mandatory accounting in high schools. The White people are hiding information from each other.

 

There are:

Smart White people 

Dumb White people &

Brainy White people 

with various connections to and beliefs about their power structures. A lot of Black Americans seem to think on an emotional level in terms of Apocryphal Monolithic White people. The above comes across like that. And then the Supreme Being is in on it.

 

We have:

Military Power Games 

Economic Power Games &

Political Power Games 

and technology affects all of them.

 

When Africa Awakes (1920) by Hubert Harrison

https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/69712

 

Black Man's Burden (1961) by Mack Reynolds

https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/32390

 

Border, Breed Nor Birth by Mack Reynolds

https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/30639

 

https://sfgospel.typepad.com/sf_gospel/2008/08/mack-reynolds-on-africa-islam-utopia-and-progress.html
 

 

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[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm wondering should AfroAmericans openly and outright ask the Caucasians in power to be their "right hand" so to speak.
-to request "2nd Class" status OVER other groups....and ACCEPT it if they agree collectively to it?

H8ll no.

 

Black folks should not be asking white folks or any group of people for a status. Nor should Black folks accept such a designation.

 

As NF Jr. has taught, one does not ask for respect. It is earned. Even if that means taking by force. 

 

The late James Brown sang, I don't want nobody to give me nothin', just open up the door and I'll get it myself. Biggie said kick in the door. We're way passed time for some action (Redman).

 

Black men should be taking constructive actions towards becoming more powerful.

 

A real man doesn't beg for anything. He  goes to work and stands on business.

 

[Pioneer1]

umbrarchist

 

Well, the "smart" White folks are obviously the ones in charge and making most of the decisions on how this nation operates.
It would be THEM who we would have to deal with and MAKE deals with if we collectively decided to do so.

 

No, White people aren't a monolith, but they are CLEARLY more unified in thought and action than AfroAmericans.

They have collectively agreed to gentrify Black communities from coast to coast.

They have also collectively agreed to bring in illegal non-Black immigrants by the MILLIONS from Latin America and scatter them around the nation for cheap labor.

 

Obviously there is some sort of "group" of White folks who agree to operate in the collective to push their agenda.

Again, it's THESE White folks that we'd have to make deals with if we chose to do so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

Black folks should not be asking white folks or any group of people for a status. Nor should Black folks accept such a designation.

 

Well rest assured, most are NOT.
And they're getting exactly what they asked for.

 

 

one does not ask for respect. It is earned. Even if that means taking by force. 

 

Ok.
And what does that have to do with AfroAmericans?

I KNOW you know better than to expect THESE fake weed smoking niggaz running around outside in those funny plastic sandal looking shoes and pajama bottoms, to organize and take ANY-thing from White folks by force.
.....besides...maybe...flash mobbing one of those fake-weed dispensaries.

 

Black men should be taking constructive actions towards becoming more powerful.

 

Black men in Africa should have never become slaves or allowed their women to be raped.

Black men should have never tolerated Jim Crow.

....so much for what Black men "should" or "shouldn't" do.

 

This may sound weird, but what I'm suggesting probably and most likely WOULD make us more powerful than we are right now.
It would be a GUARANTEED and PROTECTED 2nd Class/ 2nd Tier status that would ensure a certain amount of businesses, jobs, benefits, etc...over and above any other race or ethnic group EXCEPT White Americans.

Kind of like the status of Native Americans but more concrete and well defined and even more protected and guaranteed.

 

 

 

A real man doesn't beg for anything. He  goes to work and stands on business

 

A lot of "real men" are also locked up or dead and in the dirt with their dicks laying sideways after coming across OTHER "real men" who were smarter and more powerful.
We have to deal with REALITY, not wishful thinking or "I'm gonna git you sucka" talk.


That Dolemite shit may SOUND cool and uplifting but how well do you think it's going to work in the REAL world when you come across White folks not only on the police force but these armed MILITIAS they're allowing to form in every state to back their power structure up?





"Move out my way honkie!
I'm coming here to TAKE minez!
I know you want me to beg, but I ain't beggin' ya fa' shit!
Now DANCE gotdammit....DANCE SUCKA!!!!"
(((rat-a-tat-tat)))

 

[Troy]

25 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

I KNOW you know better than to expect THESE fake weed smoking niggaz running around in those funny plastic sandal looking shoes and pajama bottoms

@Pioneer1 i’m beginning to believe you are spending too much time around the wrong people. Your image of Black people is terrible. It a yeah sounds like something a white raciest would say about us. Sure, there are Black people who fit the description you describe but they steer of  no consequences, as they are too few.

 

it could be I spend too much time with boogie negroes

 

Keep in mind a subset of so called white people have only been in charge a relatively short period of time. 
 

Given we are only 14% of the population,  have a history of enslavement and Jin Crow we aren’t doing too bad as a people. of course we can do better— and we will 

[ProfD]

34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

It would be a GUARANTEED and PROTECTED 2nd Class/ 2nd Tier status that would ensure a certain amount of businesses, jobs, benefits, etc...over and above any other race or ethnic group EXCEPT White Americans.

Reads like you just want a receipt to validate 2nd class that already exists.

 

Like apologies, I'd imagine white folks can provide it.

 

Just walk up to a white man and ask him for a 2nd class status receipt. 

 

[Pioneer1]

Troy

i’m beginning to believe you are spending too much time around the wrong people. Your image of Black people is terrible. It a yeah sounds like something a white raciest would say about us. Sure, there are Black people who fit the description you describe but they steer of  no consequences, as they are too few.

it could be I spend too much time with boogie negroes

 

Lol, do you mean "bougie"????

 

I'm inclined to say "yeah" but I don't want to say you're spending "too much" time with upper class Black people.
There's no such thing.

 

But you MAY be slightly out of touch with what's going on in the streets around the country.

I'm not "in" the streets myself, but I drive around the communities from time to time dealing with people and also have people in my family who ARE in the streets and it kind of keeps me abreast of what's happening.

 

The fact is a HUGE and GROWING number of our youth are smoking that fake weed and a huge and growing number of them (and White youth to a certain extent) are running around outside and even going to school and to work in pajamas and pajama bottoms.

That's been happening for the past 5 or 6 years now.
I'm surprise you haven't seen it more.

 

 

 

Given we are only 14% of the population,  have a history of enslavement and Jin Crow we aren’t doing too bad as a people. of course we can do better— and we will 

 

On "the books" it seems like our community is doing well.
Legally speaking there are no laws saying Black people can't do this or must do that anymore.
However DEFACTO and in REALITY...our community is doing far from well.

 

There is much more homelessness, incarceration, and family dysfunction in the AfroAmerican community TODAY than during Jim Crow.

There are various reasons for this.
Some of it is racist, and in many cases WE are to blame for being so naive and not holding on to our communities like we had in the past and trying to integrate.

 

But the point I'm making is, despite our improvements ON PAPER....it seems as if the AfroAmerican community from the mid-70s up until now has DE-volved or mutated to a more dysfunctional state.

 

 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

 

Reads like you just want a receipt to validate 2nd class that already exists.

 

Well, one of the problems with that is we're NOT 2nd class in this nation!
It appears that either the LGBT or Asian communities are.
Followed by the Latino community.

They are the ones getting the attention and what little tangible benefits these politicians are promising.

Black folks are being insulted in the media, in politics, and in the entertainment industry.....and it's all allowed today.
They didn't do this back in the 60s or 70s....but today it's almost like a minstrel show the way they clown on Black folks.
 

 

 

Like apologies, I'd imagine white folks can provide it.
 

Lol....
Naw bro, I'm not talking about some "national conversation" or  "national apology" along with a museum with a big ass statue of Louie Armstrong in the middle of the floor.

I'm talking TANGIBLE benefits and TANGIBLE protection.
 

If we agreed to something like that, it would have to be GUARANTEED and BACKED BY LAW kind of like what the Native Americans have.

Ofcourse White folks manage the legal system for the most part and they can play games with it, but for the MOST PART we'd actually get more benefits from it than what we have now.

It would be more along the line of what we're asking for in Reparations, but along with compromise  for the White power structure .

 

 

Just walk up to a white man and ask him for a 2nd class status receipt.

Neely Fuller Jr. said, which way did the White people go?
lol......

[umbrarchist]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well, the "smart" White folks are obviously the ones in charge and making most of the decisions on how this nation operates.
It would be THEM who we would have to deal with and MAKE deals with if we collectively decided to do so.

 

No, White people aren't a monolith, but they are CLEARLY more unified in thought and action than AfroAmericans.

They have collectively agreed to gentrify Black communities from coast to coast.

They have also collectively agreed to bring in illegal non-Black immigrants by the MILLIONS from Latin America and scatter them around the nation for cheap labor.

 

Obviously there is some sort of "group" of White folks who agree to operate in the collective to push their agenda.

Again, it's THESE White folks that we'd have to make deals with if we chose to do so.

Black men concentrate on beating each other at trivial bullshit. And why should the "smart" White guys deal with us when they can bring in more immigrants to create more competition and mutual sabotage.

 

I listed the books because there needs to be some paradigm shifting around the country. Thomas Sowell and Glenn Loury have never suggested mandatory accounting for Black kids.

 

That group of White folks won't be very public and will be treating the majority of White folks as just other pawns.

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[ProfD]

 

30 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well, one of the problems with that is we're NOT 2nd class in this nation!

3rd, 4th or 5th class, it's all the same. Already exists. 

30 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Black folks are being insulted in the media, in politics, and in the entertainment industry.....and it's all allowed today.

Many Black folks are complicit in spreading it too.

30 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Naw bro, I'm not talking about some "national conversation" or  "national apology" along with a museum with a big ass statue of Louie Armstrong in the middle of the floor.

D8mn. The statue would be grinning and smiling and singing "What a Wonderful World".

30 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Neely Fuller Jr. said, which way did the White people go?

lol......

Right. Interesting because they are everywhere.

 

17 minutes ago, umbrarchist said:

That group of White folks won't be very public and will be treating the majority of White folks as just other pawns.

Facts.

 

Former POTUS Orange Julius is a great example of how white supremacists use their pawns.

[aka Contrarian]

There isn't even a remote likelihood for 2 of the suggested scenarios to take place, - except in a Spike Lee movie.

 The white establishment would most certainly question what's in it for them if they agreed to putting another tribe in second command? 

Not only does being the largest minority benefit Hispanics, they also have a good work ethic. Asians are  disciplined and  highly professional.

Blacks? They're splintered and checkered and volatile. Being good athletes and more sexually impressive aren't beneficial enough to make the cut. Would their mounting an armed challenge to the Establishent prove successful? Puleeze. The logistics involved in pulling off such an operation are overwhelming. 

Can we come down to earth here?Other than natural selection and survival of the fittest, there is no grand plan. Or master manipulator when it comes to the inhabitants of this miniscule star in a giant galaxy.Some breeds evolved into winners, others into also-rans. The pecking order is firmly entrenched.

Randomness does keep individual achievement in the mix.

Reality is a bitch.

 

Pay me no mind.This election has me in a particularly pessimistic mood. >Sigh<. I'm depressed. 

[Pioneer1]

8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

There isn't even a remote likelihood for 2 of the suggested scenarios to take place, - except in a Spike Lee movie.

 The white establishment would most certainly question what's in it for them if they agreed to putting another tribe in second command? 

Not only does being the largest minority benefit Hispanics, they also have a good work ethic. Asians are  disciplined and  highly professional.

Blacks? They're splintered and checkered and volatile. Being good athletes and more sexually impressive aren't beneficial enough to make the cut. Would their mounting an armed challenge to the Establishent prove successful? Puleeze. The logistics involved in pulling off such an operation are overwhelming. 

Can we come down to earth here?Other than natural selection and survival of the fittest, there is no grand plan. Or master manipulator when it comes to the inhabitants of this miniscule star in a giant galaxy.Some breeds evolved into winners, others into also-rans. The pecking order is firmly entrenched.

Randomness does keep individual achievement in the mix.

 

That was actually a pretty sobering yet sound observation about society.
I can't say that I agree with ALL of it, but....it puts things in perspective of what type of objections and obstacles you'd have to face, considering such a proposal.

You better enjoy that trophy I gave you lady, because you don't get too many from me....lol
 

 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

3rd, 4th or 5th class, it's all the same. Already exists. 

 

Well, once you're not 1st or even 2nd class, in a such a HUGE multi-racial and multi-ethnic society such as this one...the other classes don't matter.

 

 

 

Many Black folks are complicit in spreading it too.

 

Facts.

Infact, the Racists have learned that it's even more effective to pay and entice Black people to act out the negative stereotypes than for them to SAY these things about us.

It's one thing to TALK negatively about somebody you don't like to try to convince others not to like them.
But if you're smart enough to manipulate that person to behave in such a negative way that others won't like them either....without you haven't to say one negative word about them.
....that's high level, right there.

Now you come out looking clean and innocent.


 

Former POTUS Orange Julius is a great example of how white supremacists use their pawns.
 

Are you suggesting that he's merely a PAWN of them, instead of one of them himself?
Or am I reading it wrong?

 

[ProfD]

10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Former POTUS Orange Julius is a great example of how white supremacists use their pawns.
 

Are you suggesting that he's merely a PAWN of them, instead of one of them himself?
Or am I reading it wrong?

He's a pawn among white supremacists.  They are using him to maintain order on the political level.

[Pioneer1]

33 minutes ago, ProfD said:

He's a pawn among white supremacists.  They are using him to maintain order on the political level.

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