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[richardmurray]

Economic Corner

The Two Economies of the USA have a simple problem. 

 

One is financially wealthy, always growing fiscal wealth based on arithmetic manipulation plus flexibility supported by the most powerful military in humanity , but also always needing bailouts. Always too big too fail, even though it fails a lot. 

The other is losing jobs, losing investment,has a balooning populace. But hasn't led to riots, it is holding on to hope. 

NYC is clearly showing this. 

Eric Adams a few years ago stated New York City has a bustling economy, job growth is unlike ever before. But, this article admits that for ten years in a row, over one hundred thousand children in New York City were homeless. Now, out of ten million, one hundred thousand is one percent. One percent of the cities populace is homeless. That isn't anything to cry doom for, but every member of said one percent has parents who are not financially able to provide better, which means three percent. Again, no need to cry doom but if the labor market in New York City is so vibrant, then get the parents of the homeless children jobs. But here likes the worse part. I know many in New York City who have what will be called good jobs and they are moving into places because of lotteries. Every single person that gets a lottery can't afford to live in that place on their own financial footing. Then you add adults living with older adults, parents/uncles/et cetera. What is the point? The strategy of building new buildings has never lowered the rent. Freezing the rent doesn't lower the rent.  Mamdani who has the lead to be next mayor of New York City + Cuomo or Sliwa trailing him , don't have a financial plan that is viable.  I repeat, none of the current candidates for the mayor of NYC have a financial plan that is viable for New York City. So whomever wins will only be adding on to more financial chaos in New York City.  In defense this was not built today, it was built in the 1970s. I repeat in the Economic Corner, the following industries in the USA from the 1970s to 2025 completely failed at least once, ledgers were blood red at least once,  but not one of these industries at any time went through the proper financial result of industrial failure, which is liquidation and sale of all assets to cover debts and market vacuums to filled by others.  Banking Industry Automotive Industry Electronics Industry Real Estate Industry Dot Com Industry Bitcoin Industry Film Industry Offline or online I recall so many times Black people told me , concerning a failing or failed Black owned business, they have to get it together, they got to learn how to play the game.  While whole white industries are failing multiple times and getting friendly loans from the federal government.  Goldman Sachs failed everybody. That company should be under. The White Jew failed. The Film industry failed, this is why 20th century fox was bought by Disney while paramount side discovery side warner bros are all looking to be bought by a holding firm. That is called failure.  Now some will suggest white financial failure is not black financial failure and I argue that gets to the center of my point. Black people in the USA are in an environment, where we haven't enslaved other human beings or murdered other human beings to create generational wealth. Black people in the USA are in an environment were we are telling ourselves to have an inhuman financial ability while non Blacks are literally proving themselves to be terrible at business throughout many sectors but have the saving grace of the federal government to bail them out regardless of their financial quality. So then looking at Black people in the USA who are homeless, how should they look at the USA? at their situation in the USA?  When your black neighbor/elder who never had the money to financially support you is telling you about having improper work ethics and a lack of intellect , the non blacks who were born in financial safety or better are destroying entire industries with the ultimate safety neck, backed by the usa military. The word inequal is not enough for this scaling variance. 

URL
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/education/2025/10/17/more-than-150-000-nyc-students-were-homeless-during-the-last-school-year

More than 150,000 NYC students were homeless during last school year BY Jillian Jorgensen New York City PUBLISHED 6:00 AM ET Oct. 20, 2025 More than 154,000 students were homeless at some point during the last school year, continuing a decade-long trend and amounting to one in seven public school students. “This is the tenth year in a row where over 100,000 kids were identified as homeless last school year. This is the first year it was over 150,000 students experiencing homelessness. These numbers obviously are very troubling,” said Jennifer Pringle, project director at Advocates for Children, which compiles the annual data. What You Need To Know For the 10th year, more than 100,000 students were homeless under the federal definition of the word last school year More than 65,000 students spent at least one night during the last school year in a city shelter Those students face barriers to getting an education, including difficulty getting to school and high rates of chronic absenteeism Among those students: 65,000 spent time living in homeless shelters 82,000 were doubled up — sharing someone else’s housing after losing their own  7,000 were living in motels, hotels or otherwise without stable housing “While the city continues to focus on addressing the affordability crisis, the homelessness crisis, we can't lose sight of the educational needs of young people experiencing homelessness now,” Pringle said. Pringle says homeless students face significant barriers to having success in school, and 67% of students in shelters are chronically absent. “That means that 67% of students living in shelters miss more than 10% of the school year. That is roughly a month of school,” she said. Students have a federal right to remain in their school when they become homeless, which can help provide stability at a difficult time. But the city routinely moves children into shelters far from their schools. “Forty percent of families are placed in shelter in a different borough from where they go to school — not just neighborhood, not community school district, different borough. That poses all sorts of challenges for families,” she said. “Long commutes, meaning parents can't work. They can't look for permanent housing because they're busy spending their day, taking their child back and forth to school.” Students are entitled to transportation back to their old school, but many wait weeks for the city to set up busing or endure long commutes to their old schools, leading them to be late or absent.  “We hear from families, you know, it's mid-October, who are still waiting for a school bus, still waiting,” she said. Pringle says the next mayor should make these students a priority. “This can't just be: ‘New York City Public Schools, you figure it out.’ It needs to be a multi-agency approach, all working together, laser-focused on how can we ensure better supports for students experiencing homelessness.” An education department spokeswoman pointed to efforts the city has made to better support these students, including more than 350 dedicated staff for supporting students in temporary housing, some based in shelters.  “Education is key to breaking the cycle of homelessness, and we will continue to strengthen our trauma-informed, cross-agency and data-driven strategies to help students and families thrive,” the spokeswoman, Chyann Tull, said. A City Hall spokesman said Mayor Eric Adams has been clear that every child deserves a place to call home. “Through tailored support in our schools and innovative programs through our city agencies, we’re working every single day to address homelessness and ensure our students have the resources they need to thrive,” the spokesman said. The Department of Homeless Services says it has been focusing on placing families closer to support systems, and that the city was able to increase the percentage of students currently living in shelters in their youngest child’s school borough to 81% in the last fiscal year.

 

From a parents mouth
URL
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/education/2025/10/17/one-family-s-experience-navigating-public-school-while-homeless
 

One family's experience navigating public school while homeless BY Jillian Jorgensen New York City PUBLISHED 8:00 PM ET Oct. 20, 2025 Kezie Thomas knows what life is like for the 65,000 students in city schools who lived in a homeless shelter at some point last year. She watched her daughter live through it as they bounced around the shelter system. “My daughter was like, moved every semester, and it's really messing up her, you know? She's finding it hard to build relationships with friends, you know. She's finding it hard to focus. She is falling asleep because she's tired from the commute, coming home at this hour. After six in the evening and waking up at five in the morning,” she said. What You Need To Know Kezie Thomas now has permanent housing — but when she was living in a shelter, she often faced long commutes to her child's school When she was finally assigned a school bus, the bus was often late or did not show up at all Her child struggled with the frequent moves — but is now doing much better attending a school close to her apartment Last school year, 154,000 students were homeless for at least a night. About 65,000 students spent some amount of time living in a city homeless shelter. Another 82,000 were doubled up, sharing someone else’s housing after losing their own. And 7,000 were living in motels, hotels, or otherwise, without stable housing. Thomas and her family became homeless after a marketing business she ran began to struggle a few years after the pandemic hit, prompting her first to crash with friends and family and ultimately enter shelter. They were often placed in shelters far from her daughter’s school. That prompted Thomas to change her child’s school at least five times over the years she was in and out of shelter. “The final shelter that I stayed at before being placed in permanent housing, it was like an hour and 15 minutes almost to get to her school. And that was a disaster,” she said. At first, Thomas had to bring her older child to school via public transit — with a baby in tow.  “I'm doing my best to try to commute to get on the trains for this long hours, raise up the stroller up and down the train, some of the stations don't even have, like, you know, elevators,” she said. Eventually, she was assigned a yellow school bus to bring her to school. But that didn’t solve much. “There [were] many days that the school bus would not show up. They would not even let you know that they're not showing up,” she said. “Then when I finally call into the company, the bus company, they will just take the — create the ticket number, and they'll just do that over and over and over. And you really don't know if they're looking into the problem.” Now, she’s in permanent housing and moved her child one more time -- to a school that’s just four minutes away. “She loves it. For the first time in forever, she says that she loves her friends, she loves the teachers. She's doing well,” Thomas said of her fifth-grader. She says her religious faith is what got her through her time in shelter. And now, she wants to advocate for other women in her position. She also wants the candidates running for mayor to understand what it’s like for families like hers — and to be accountable when the city's systems fail. “When it comes along electoral time, you see the mayor, the government, everybody, you know, they’re campaigning, ‘Vote for me. I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that.' But as soon as that is over, they can't even be reached,’” Thomas said. “These people don't even know what it feels like. I'm pretty sure they don't even know what it feels like.” She described calling the bus company and getting nowhere. “You just deal with whatever happened today, and you just move on. And I think that is very unfair,” she said. “The people that are in shelters, most people think that homeless people are like, you know, bums or they don't have an education or they have nothing going for them. But that's not the case. Everybody hits a break in life, you know, and that's what happened. That's my story, because I'm coming from a background of degrees and running a business and, you know, and it's a humbling moment and having to go through that. It taught me a lot, and it just empowered me even more to educate my daughter.” 

Prior Edition

https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/562-economic-corner-23/

 

[ProfD]

Sure. Black folks can stop imposing financial double standards on ourselves. 

 

Even better would be for homeless Black folks to stop procreating. Seems selfish to bring children into a world of poverty and homelessness.

 

Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing had it right in proselytizing that Black folks should not procreate or marry until they are at least 30 years old.

 

Dr. Cress-Welsing figured that level of discipline would give young Black people enough time to become college educated, gainfully employed and save money.

 

I hope that Black folks will find a way to build wealth despite the handicap of legacy of slavery over four centuries and obstacles built into the system of racism white supremacy.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

On 10/24/2025 at 1:10 AM, ProfD said:

Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing had it right in proselytizing that Black folks should not procreate or marry until they are at least 30 years old.

 

have you or anyone else who follows Welsing asked her the following questions? 

1) does she want the black dos population in the usa to get old and die? 

2) does she prosyletize to non black dos woman,including black recent immigrant women plus all non black women from wherever: who don't speak english in the usa, are not college educated, on welfare , are not thrity, or have three or better children not to have children fr which NYC has millions?

 

On 10/24/2025 at 1:10 AM, ProfD said:

I hope that Black folks will find a way to build wealth despite the handicap of legacy of slavery over four centuries and obstacles built into the system of racism white supremacy.

Black people in the usa have nonviolently built wealth in the usa nonviolently having the legacy of enslavement + jim crow forcing most of said wealth to come through individual efforts. 

The question to you as I ask others in the this forum, is what do you want from the black populace in the usa to be satisfied? I define satisified as a situation where you Profd no longer have a complain to the black populace in the usa. I will ask the specific question at the end of my comment. 

I asked @Pioneer1 a while back, what will it take for him to be satisfied, meaning the same as you, concerning the issue of illegalities, for Pioneer continually suggest one instance of illegality from one individual in the black populace in the USA is too much and shows urgency. His answer was until the black populace commits no illegalities he will have a complaint. 

Now Pioneer in my reading has never displayed the same passion to non black or non black doser illegalities in the usa. His variance in approach suggest they are allowables or acceptables to him. 

So Profd, what will satisfy you financially concerning the black populace or specifically, the black dos populace in the usa? 

 

 

[ProfD]

5 hours ago, richardmurray said:

 

have you or anyone else who follows Welsing asked her the following questions? 

1) does she want the black dos population in the usa to get old and die? 

2) does she prosyletize to non black dos woman,including black recent immigrant women plus all non black women from wherever: who don't speak english in the usa, are not college educated, on welfare , are not thrity, or have three or better children not to have children fr which NYC has millions?

I don't know if anyone asked those questions of Dr. Cress-Welsing. It's too late since her spirit has already flown many years ago.

 

 

5 hours ago, richardmurray said:

So Profd, what will satisfy you financially concerning the black populace or specifically, the black dos populace in the usa? 

As I've mentioned already, build more Black financial institutions among other things.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

well her death is convenient in that sense, but glad she has those who still follow her thinking positively.

 

This is the economic corner, build more isn't a goal. 

How many more Black businesses do you want to see? The answer can't be infinite, can't be everywhere overwhelming, the USA is not a black country nor are the nonblacks absent the means to harm/destroy black business. 

If you can't give a count, what about a percentage? What percentage of business in the usa do you need Black business to increase as? What percentage of Black business in the usa do you want to increase to? 

Present goals. 

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

 

well her death is convenient in that sense, but glad she has those who still follow her thinking positively.

Words of wisdom do not die.

 

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

This is the economic corner, build more isn't a goal. 

Build financial institutions like banks and credit unions. Places where Black folks can pool their monies.

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

How many more Black businesses do you want to see?

Black financial institutions can extend favorable lines of credit to Black start-up businesses in every major Black cities around the country. 

 

Once successful, we can diversify into other types of businesses too i.e. investments.

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

The answer can't be infinite, can't be everywhere overwhelming, the USA is not a black country nor are the nonblacks absent the means to harm/destroy black business. 

Black businesses need to be supported and protected by any means necessary.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

20 hours ago, ProfD said:

Words of wisdom do not die.

and lies tend to live at the fountain of youth

 

20 hours ago, ProfD said:

Black financial institutions can extend favorable lines of credit to Black start-up businesses in every major Black cities around the country. 

 

Once successful, we can diversify into other types of businesses too i.e. investments.

I see your goal now. At the moment, in  2025 more black investment firms exist than in decades past, maybe in the history of the usa , or the european colonies preceding so from a mere growth perspective black owned financial instutitions are growing, are greater in quantity now than ever before. 

So, your goal is for the current growth of black owned financial instutitions: investment firms, credit unions, banks, to expand ... at a rate never known in the history of the usa...

Ideally possible, the problem with the expanse your speaking of is it needs something money can't buy. Belief, Love ... in the usa. circa fifty million black people in the usa today, don't have a lot of inspiration. 

 

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Ideally possible, the problem with the expanse your speaking of is it needs something money can't buy. Belief, Love ... in the usa. circa fifty million black people in the usa today, don't have a lot of inspiration. 

Right. Maybe this current hyper-white nationalism movement will force Black folks to rely on each other even moreso.

[Chevdove]

 

"Eric Adams a few years ago stated New York City has a bustling economy, job

growth is unlike ever before. But, this article admits that for ten years in a row,

over one hundred thousand children in New York City were homeless."

 

 

I read this post at least four times to try and understand it. So now, I believe the double standard is that, like the non-Blacks, our Black upper class sectors are ignoring the poverty stricken Black population but all the while, bragging about a good economy. 

 

So even though the homeless people in New York represent 1% of the population, still though the numbers range into the thousands and that is a serious problem nonetheless. Not only that but, many of the black children that go to school are shuffled about from school to school due to their parent(s) homeless situation that causes them to have to move constantly and this is detrimental to their well being. 

 

"... while non Blacks are literally proving themselves to be terrible at business throughout

many sectors but have the saving grace of the federal government to bail them out regardless

of their financial quality. So then looking at Black people in the USA who are homeless, how

should they look at the USA? at their situation in the USA?" 

 

This is a really big problem. And considering what just happened with the SNAP Program, well, it's getting worse for the poor and oppressed! Instead of helping to feed many little Black children who are affected by a failing economy, what does this government do? They attack the SNAP benefits whereby, most of the recipients were already in dire straits with parents struggling to work sufficient jobs to feed their children properly. 

 

Gratefully, the funds have been released recently, but I wonder how many little children went without food during that interim? 

Most of the public schools in my area are classified as Title I which means that most of the children in these districts are low income and therefore, funds are released to schools so that the children can eat while they are at school. 

 

I guess the hype about the Reparations Movement was a complete joke to this government. 

 

 

 

[Chevdove]

 

 

On 10/24/2025 at 1:10 AM, ProfD said:

Even better would be for homeless Black folks to stop procreating. Seems selfish to bring children into a world of poverty and homelessness.

 

Homelessness is not a criminal offense and neither is being Black Homeless, so therefore to expect a Black homeless person to not procreate is completely wrong especially when it comes to this American government. 

 

Furthermore, it is not selfish for a homeless person to want to have children, but rather, I believe that it is selfish for this government to oppress Black people and deprive them of the right human support to be able to have children and provide properly for them to be able to thrive. 

 

This very American government has its foundation built up on little Black children! They encouraged Blacks  to bare children for how long?

And now, after hundreds of years exploiting little Black children, now they want to deprive them again!? 

OMG!

 

Not only that but, young people, females and males, are going to procreate in their youth if they are not educated properly of the responsibilities of providing for offspring.

So therefore, this government needs to do better on educating Black people, especially, on this issue since they are the very reason, initially, that has set the precedence for a lop sided economy.

 

 

On 10/24/2025 at 1:10 AM, ProfD said:

Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing had it right in proselytizing that Black folks should not procreate or marry until they are at least 30 years old.

 

Did she have children? I wonder.

 

Obviously, she did not realize the danger of having children at the age of 30. This is very dangerous for women who have never given birth before this age, anyway.

The child has a high risk of being born with retardation and other kinds of birth defects. 

If Black people waited until they were 30, it would be very problematic, not only for the genetic issue, but also other issues too. 

Waiting for the government to be fair before a person has children, it not the answer. 

 

 

[ProfD]

3 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Homelessness is not a criminal offense and neither is being Black Homeless, so therefore to expect a Black homeless person to not procreate is completely wrong especially when it comes to this American government. 

The government should not be responsible for birth control.

3 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Furthermore, it is not selfish for a homeless person to want to have children, but rather, I believe that it is selfish for this government to oppress Black people and deprive them of the right human support to be able to have children and provide properly for them to be able to thrive. 

Why should a homeless person want to bring a child into the world and not being able to provide for them?

 

3 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Not only that but, young people, females and males, are going to procreate in their youth if they are not educated properly of the responsibilities of providing for offspring.

Isn't it the responsibility of their parents to teach them better?

3 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

So therefore, this government needs to do better on educating Black people, especially, on this issue since they are the very reason, initially, that has set the precedence for a lop sided economy.

Despite the fact that @Pioneer1 believes people lack intelligence, Black folks have been educated for many decades when it comes to the responsibilities of children, poverty, homelessness, etc.

 

IMO, it is very selfish of people to bring children into the world and not be able to take care of them. The government and taxpayers shouldn't have to bear that responsibility either.

[Chevdove]

3 minutes ago, ProfD said:

IMO, it is very selfish of people to bring children into the world and not be able to take care of them. The government and taxpayers shouldn't have to bear that responsibility either.

 

But it is much more selfish to set sail and invade other peoples lands, then kill off adults, steal and enslave their children to become slaves, deprive them,  so that they can bring their own children into the world and have substance for them that you stole and killed for. Yes, this government and taxpayers should definitely bare that responsibility towards Black parents but also include an aggressive program as well, to re-educate them on how to economize to be able to provide for their offspring in the future so that the government is not overwhelmed. 

 

10 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The government should not be responsible for birth control.

 

Why not? They were responsible for birth control in the foundation of this government. 

 

12 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Why should a homeless person want to bring a child into the world and not being able to provide for them?

 

I don't think homeless people think that they will be homeless for ever, but have an expectation that this government will help them have the means to provide for their offspring. People should have an expectation that this government will allow them to be able to thrive.

 

13 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Isn't it the responsibility of their parents to teach them better?

 

The government bares the first responsibility, that is why it is illegal for young children to NOT go to school. Parents need to be taught first. 

 

15 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Despite the fact that @Pioneer1 believes people lack intelligence, Black folks have been educated for many decades when it comes to the responsibilities of children, poverty, homelessness, etc.

 

LOL. I am not going to speak about human intelligence, but as far as Black folks being educated, no way. WE have been mis-educated. WE have been through many decades of negative conditioning--Rewarding BAd Behavior-- and this has been detrimental. 

 

 

[ProfD]

32 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

But it is much more selfish to set sail and invade other peoples lands, then kill off adults, steal and enslave their children to become slaves, deprive them,  so that they can bring their own children into the world and have substance for them that you stole and killed for. Yes, this government and taxpayers should definitely bare that responsibility towards Black parents...

Slavery was horrible. Reparations should be paid to FBA/ADOS.

 

As Black folks, we don't have to repeat cycles of dysfunction in response to slavery.

 

32 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

I don't think homeless people think that they will be homeless for ever, but have an expectation that this government will help them have the means to provide for their offspring. People should have an expectation that this government will allow them to be able to thrive.

People should be able to provide for offspring instead of relying on the government or anyone else to take care of them.

 

As adults, we have a responsibility to do strive to do better by every means necessary. 

[Pioneer1]

17 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Despite the fact that @Pioneer1 believes people lack intelligence, Black folks have been educated for many decades when it comes to the responsibilities of children, poverty, homelessness, etc.

It's not about us "lacking intelligence".
The question is do we have enough intelligence....as a community...to solve our problems and get out from under the thumb and rule of White racism?

If we do...

If we ARE smart enough; then why haven't we?

It comes to a point where a man becomes too old and sober minded to entertain excuses.

Chances are any excuse reason you give will eventually swing back around to you either being intelligent enough to overcome it nor not.

[ProfD]

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's not about us "lacking intelligence".
The question is do we have enough intelligence....as a community...to solve our problems and get out from under the thumb and rule of White racism?

If we do...

If we ARE smart enough; then why haven't we?

It comes to a point where a man becomes too old and sober minded to entertain excuses.

Chances are any excuse reason you give will eventually swing back around to you either being intelligent enough to overcome it nor not.

Comfort and fear.

 

Apparently, when it comes to s8x...humans don't have to do a whole lot of thinking.  They aren't concerned about their *problems* or living situation.

 

Regardless of an individual's condition and/or circumstances, when the hormones kick up, somebody gonna get it in a shelter, alleyway, near a trashcan, abandoned car, etc.

[Pioneer1]

 

ProfD

 

I HOPE you aren't suggesting that Black folks haven't risen out of the clutches out of White Racism because they're too busy having sex....lol.

In terms of military strength and technology China rivals Caucasians...both White America and Europe combined.
And there's a billion and a half Chinese swarming around on the planet.
Apparently they aren't so caught up in school and industry that they don't have time to "do it"...lol.

Seems to me intelligent people can walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

 

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Comfort and fear.

 

Here again, it swings right back around to intelligence.

An intelligent person doesn't have to rely on OTHER people to provide the comforts of life for him...he's smart enough to invent the technology himself and provide even MORE comfort than his less intelligent "would be if he could be" oppressor could offer him.

Massa offers me more butter biscuits and a place to stay in the Big House for selling out
 

 

 

....but I just built a whole MANSION complete with banquet room and have 12 servants of my own.

There's NO NEED for me to sell out or cave in to White racism.

Why?

Because intelligence BRINGS comfort.



And fear????

What is there to fear from someone you're clearly superior in intelligence to?

Would you fear the threats from a 6 year old little boy, or retarded young man....when you could obviously set traps for him and out think anything he tries at any time you wish?

His threats and even attempts at harming you is mere ENTERTAINMENT that leaves you longing for a REAL challenge sometimes.

[ProfD]

44 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I HOPE you aren't suggesting that Black folks haven't risen out of the clutches out of White Racism because they're too busy having sex....lol.

Absolutely not.  It is the opiate that makes life under the system of racism white supremacy more bearable for some folks.

 

44 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

In terms of military strength and technology China rivals Caucasians...both White America and Europe combined.
And there's a billion and a half Chinese swarming around on the planet.

China only has a higher population of people.  They do not have the same military strength from a technological perspective. 

 

A world war won't be as many boots on the ground.  Drones and other hi-tech sh8t will be used to *fight*.

44 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

An intelligent person doesn't have to rely on OTHER people to provide the comforts of life for him...he's smart enough to invent the technology himself and provide even MORE comfort than his less intelligent "would be if he could be" oppressor could offer him.

Most Black folks work for white-owned companies and businesses.

 

 

44 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

And fear????

What is there to fear from someone you're clearly superior in intelligence to?

Fear can be mental and/or physical.  As @frankster mentioned, it doesn't have anything to do with intelligence.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Absolutely not. It is the opiate that makes life under the system of racism white supremacy more bearable for some folks.

I agree with that one.
So does food, alcohol, drugs, and other forms of "entertainment".

If that's a person's only means of coping....I wouldn't take it away from them UNLESS I could offer a better alternative.

 

 

 

Most Black folks work for white-owned companies and businesses.

....which further supports my point.

And if you've ever worked WITH Black folks IN a White owned-company, you know the type of competition and back-stabbing that often exists in these environments.
Some Black folks will do you in and lie on you and do you all kinds of dirty if they think it will bring them closer to the White executives and management.

Those intelligent enough to build THEIR OWN firms and formulate THEIR OWN economy, don't have to engage in such trifling and dishonorable behavior.
 

 

Fear can be mental and/or physical. As @frankster mentioned, it doesn't have anything to do with intelligence.

ALL fear is mental.
The CAUSES may be physical (impending doom, imminent physical harm)....
The SYMPTOMS may present themselves physically (nervousness, confusion, crying).....

....but the emotion itself is of the mind.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

So does food, alcohol, drugs, and other forms of "entertainment".

Sure. There are many opiates folks choose to use in order to cope with their existence.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Some Black folks will do you in and lie on you and do you all kinds of dirty if they think it will bring them closer to the White executives and management.

Black folks do not have a monopoly on undermining each other in the workplace. Certain types of jobs lead to backbiting and other tricks to get ahead.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Those intelligent enough to build THEIR OWN firms and formulate THEIR OWN economy, don't have to engage in such trifling and dishonorable behavior.

Starting a business or company is one thing. 

 

Creating an economy is no small feat because it would require coming up with something *new* and controlling the entire chain from production to distribution.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

ALL fear is mental.

The CAUSES may be physical (impending doom, imminent physical harm)....
The SYMPTOMS may present themselves physically (nervousness, confusion, crying).....

....but the emotion itself is of the mind.

Fair enough. However it manifests, fear can lead to paralysis.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD


Black folks do not have a monopoly on undermining each other in the workplace. Certain types of jobs lead to backbiting and other tricks to get ahead.

 

While this is true, there's a key difference that both you and I know when it comes to intra-racial conflicts.

White people will fight eachother tooth and nail BUT when a Black man enters the room they will often put their differences to the side and unite to deal with HIM before resuming their attacks on eachother.
With a lot of our people...it's the opposite.

When 2 niggaz start going at it with eachother it's often ruthless and no holds barred and they could care less how many White folks are standing around watching it for their amusement.

If you just took a roll of toilet tissue home from work 3 years ago,  they'll be up in the manager's office telling him all about it and offering dates and times hoping they can find video footage of you caught in the act...lol.

No sense of "unity" or "comradery".


 

 

 

Creating an economy is no small feat because it would require coming up with something *new* and controlling the entire chain from production to distribution.

So what's stopping our people from establishing a national or even global Soul Food Restaurant chain or Black hair product distribution chain?

Indians came way over from India and establish nearly a monopoly on 7/11s and motels...lol.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

So what's stopping our people from establishing a national or even global Soul Food Restaurant chain or Black hair product distribution chain?

Unfortunately, entrepreneurship is not heavily promoted among our people and often times frowned upon.

 

Most of our people are taught to get a job or career working for someone else.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD


Unfortunately, entrepreneurship is not heavily promoted among our people and often times frowned upon.

Most of our people are taught to get a job or career working for someone else.

Do most of our people work for others because they were TAUGHT this, or because they INCLINE towards it?

Yet again, INTELLIGENCE becomes a factor we have to look at.

Not sure about you, but since I was a kid I've heard Black folks give speeches and rallies ENCOURAGING Black folks to own their own businesses and work for themselves and build schools, hospitals, farms, own their own homes, etc....

This message has been made crystal clear for decades now.

Perhaps the problem isn't in the TRANSMISSION




 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...... but in the RECEPTION...lol.

 

 

"Say what??? 

What'cha saying nigga?
I can't understand you!
You talking funny, maaaaayne!
I don't speak the same language as broke ass niggaz!"

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do most of our people work for others because they were TAUGHT this, or because they INCLINE towards it?

Most Black folks stressed the importance of getting a good education in order to get a good job.

 

The proof lies in the # of Black folks with degrees working for non-Black companies and businesses versus wholly Black-owned entities.

 

How many Black folks work in Black-owned hospitals, banks, engineering and accounting firms, shipping and receiving, trucking, etc.?

 

How many Black athletes and entertainers work for a Black-owned sports franchise or record company or movie production company?

 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yet again, INTELLIGENCE becomes a factor we have to look at.

Look at money and power too.

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Not sure about you, but since I was a kid I've heard Black folks give speeches and rallies ENCOURAGING Black folks to own their own businesses and work for themselves and build schools, hospitals, farms, own their own homes, etc....

Sure. There were some Black folks who preached ownership.

 

They were usually drowned out by crowd pushing for get a good education and a good job.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD
 

Most Black folks stressed the importance of getting a good education in order to get a good job.

Which is understandable.
Especially back in the 30s, 40s, and 50s where the opportunities for TRUE independence were much more limited and Whites pretty much had a LEGALIZED monopoly on land and business ownership in most places in America.

But after the 60s when we had a LEGAL RIGHT to open up our own businesses and buy up property pretty much anywhere we pleased.....

 

 

 

 

How many Black folks work in Black-owned hospitals, banks, engineering and accounting firms, shipping and receiving, trucking, etc.?

How many Black owned hospitals and banks do we have?
I know of one Black owned bank in Detroit.
As far as Black owned engineering accounting firms and trucking industries...I don't know of any.

Maybe @umbrarchist can start one....lol.

However if they DO exist and Black folks aren't working for them in the numbers we would like, the question should be WHY NOT?

Are they PAYING as well as the White own firms and offering as many BENEFITS as those White owned firms?

All things being equal, I personally would take up to a 20% pay cut just to work for a Black owned company who treated me with respect, in order to see that firm prosper.
However a lot of our people aren't into making a whole lot of sacrifices in the name of "keeping the dollars in our community".

We have to learn to offer the same or even better incentives White people offer if we want to keep good employees.

 

 

Look at money and power too.

These are just BI-PRODUCTS of intelligence.

Money doesn't grow wild on trees like leaves.
It's produced by those INTELLIGENT enough to produce it.

Power doesn't float around in the air waiting for you to stick your arm out and grab a hand full, it's established through organization by those INTELLIGENT enough to organize it and carry it out!

 

You can't have a powerful community if the leaders are trying to lead people too stupid to follow basic instructions.

Tyrone Muhammad tells you to boycott certain businesses because they disrespect Black customers, and you got people sitting up here asking:

"Ok.....
So if we boycott their businesses right....
Can we still go in and buy something as long as
we don't say hello or talk to them?
You know...
Just strictly business...buy what we need and leave????"

 

 

 

They were usually drowned out by crowd pushing for get a good education and a good job

Intelligent people, drowned out by those who were less intelligent...lol.

Think of how the smartest kids in class were often clowned on and picked on by the class clowns.
 

[ProfD]

11 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

How many Black owned hospitals and banks do we have?
I know of one Black owned bank in Detroit.
As far as Black owned engineering accounting firms and trucking industries...I don't know of any.

However if they DO exist and Black folks aren't working for them in the numbers we would like, the question should be WHY NOT?

Are they PAYING as well as the White own firms and offering as many BENEFITS as those White owned firms?

The question is why don't Black folks already have this information. 

 

11 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Look at money and power too.

These are just BI-PRODUCTS of intelligence.

Money doesn't grow wild on trees like leaves.
It's produced by those INTELLIGENT enough to produce it.

Money is made from products, good, services and labor.

 

11 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Power doesn't float around in the air waiting for you to stick your arm out and grab a hand full, it's established through organization by those INTELLIGENT enough to organize it and carry it out!

Power is acquired through various forms of war which according to NF Jr. is an area of human activity. 

 

11 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

They were usually drowned out by crowd pushing for get a good education and a good job

Intelligent people, drowned out by those who were less intelligent...lol.

The elders pushing their offspring to get a good education in order to get a job were not less intelligent.

 

The Silent Generation and Baby Boomers didn't see a whole lot of Black entrepreneurs during Jim Crow and segregation. 

 

Those elders just worked hard to provide a better life for their offspring and figured a good education and job would make life easier for them. They meant well.

 

 

11 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Think of how the smartest kids in class were often clowned on and picked on by the class clowns.

As adults, they often end up living in the same communities along with the former prom king and captain of the football team who works at the local auto parts store and former prom queen and cheerleader who works at the grocery store.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

The question is why don't Black folks already have this information.

Intelligence.

 

 

 

 

Money is made from products, good, services and labor.

Yes.
You have to be intelligent enough to produce the products/goods.
You have to be intelligent enough to deliver the service.
You have to be intelligent enough to perform the labor.

And you have to coordinate all of these things to deliver to the consumer in a timely manner for a reasonable price and all of this requires intelligence. 

But if your brain is all fucked up and twisted from smoking that fake ass weed, you'll find it hard to just make it off of your sister's couch.

 

 

Power is acquired through various forms of war which according to NF Jr. is an area of human activity.

War is A way of establishing power, but not the only way.

Many immigrant communities have power in the United States and they didn't get it from war or mass violence.
Jews and Asians didn't use war to gain the economic and political power they have in America.

I'd argue that war is a rather UNINTELLIGENT way of accumulating power and wealth because it's saying that you're so stupid and unarticulate that you lack the power to persuade people by showing them how this way or that benefits them....so now you have to turn to VIOLENCE to get them to cooperate.

Or in many cases as you see around the world, especially under Socialist/Communist Revolutions......instead of PRODUCING something of your own.....you start a war and CONFISCATE goods that have already been produced by industries and businesses.

 

 

The elders pushing their offspring to get a good education in order to get a job were not less intelligent.

The Silent Generation and Baby Boomers didn't see a whole lot of Black entrepreneurs during Jim Crow and segregation.

This is why I said it was good for those in the 30s, 40s, and 50s when racism was more overt and White people had a clear and legal monopoly on the economy of America.
Yes...it was smart to focus on getting a good education, a good job, and staying out of trouble.

But what about today?

 

 

 

 

As adults, they often end up living in the same communities along with the former prom king and captain of the football team who works at the local auto parts store and former prom queen and cheerleader who works at the grocery store

 

Sheeeeyit....that was back in 1985.

Today, Jose and Manuel got those jobs...lol.
 

[umbrarchist]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Maybe @umbrarchist can start one....lol.

My father owned a grocery store. He was on my case about owning a business for as long as I can remember.

 

One day I had been out riding my bike in the area hand I returned to the store via the back door.  I looked at the pile of what should have been flattened out boxes, but they looked wrong.  So I got off my bike and moved them around. They had been arranged to have an empty space and there was a LOT of Meat wrapped in plastic.  My father had just hired a young Black man as a butcher.

 

I just went and got my father to show him.

 

Minimizing aggravation is a goal to me. My father was a tougher man than me. I have already been in jail on a gun  charge.

[richardmurray]

@Chevdove 

On 11/18/2025 at 10:58 PM, Chevdove said:

our Black upper class sectors are ignoring the poverty stricken Black population but all the while, bragging about a good economy. 

they always have, if you look at black people complaining about other black people it started in the 1800s from the most well off black people complaining that black people not well off had some erroneous behavior. This is why MLK jr for all of his nonviolence, for his nepobaby upbringing, was never made head of the southern black leadership conference, because he comprehended that black fiscal poor majority in the black populace in the usa have a financially inequal situation in the usa, built over centuries, that financially can not be deemed irrelevant. People talk about money but then want to disregard financial advantage whites have.

https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/356-mlk-jr-day-good-news-calendar/

 

@ProfD

On 11/18/2025 at 11:32 PM, ProfD said:

Why should a homeless person want to bring a child into the world and not being able to provide for them?

question, do you think our enslaved forebears should had children? based on your words, they shouldn't have wanted to bring children into this world far more than any other black people. And I do think it is a convenience if you suggest they were not able to choose to do so. My question is about their intent not ability.

On 11/19/2025 at 6:51 PM, ProfD said:

A world war won't be as many boots on the ground.  Drones and other hi-tech sh8t will be used to *fight*.

no a war between usa and china will have many boots on the ground, many boots. Remember, the wars the usa has fought since the end of the russian/usa armistice wars were never against a nuclear power. this is why , the usa will not put boots on the ground for ukraine. it isn't because the usa can't but the inevitable clash on the ground will swallow ukraine and lead to a true war, not these larg skirmishes the usa has with iraq/afghanistan/kosovo and company

On 11/19/2025 at 6:51 PM, ProfD said:

Most Black folks work for white-owned companies and businesses.

do you honestly think the usa which has mostly white people in it, will have most black people not working for white firms

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

Power is acquired through various forms of war which according to NF Jr. is an area of human activity. 

thank you for this quote. Pioneer at times speaks about black people with such a disdain, it bends historical reality. If a homeless black child with only the clothes on their back reads pioneers words they will think they can walk into a town where no blacks exist, or a town of mostly whites like nyc,  and through their intelligence own every business , own all the land, in the town and non blacks will simply have succumbed to the intellectual powers of themselves just some clearly brilliant strategy. 

 

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

Those elders just worked hard to provide a better life for their offspring and figured a good education and job would make life easier for them. They meant well.

thank you again. I have said it before, Black History throughout humanity from the late 1400s to today is not simple. It isn't something for a financial ledger, this is complicated. It isn't failure and your wrong or failure and your stupid. I can speak for my bloodline and say, I had multiple business owners in my bloodline and things were not and are not a simple matter of out chessing non blacks. 

 

@Pioneer1

On 11/19/2025 at 5:29 PM, Pioneer1 said:

If we ARE smart enough; then why haven't we?

It is interesting you don't use the word powerful, you use smart, like a chessboard game, not power, which is why Black descended of enslaved are here. war is why, war is about power. intelligence has value but it is a bloody mess.

 

On 11/19/2025 at 5:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

What is there to fear from someone you're clearly superior in intelligence to?

A bullet can come from anyone. What makes you think intelligence can stop a bullet from a fool ?

 

On 11/19/2025 at 9:32 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Indians came way over from India and establish nearly a monopoly on 7/11s and motels...lol.

7/11 is a japanese firm, it isn't indian, anyone can open up 7/11 s and from my eyes, 7/11s aren't the most popular convenience stores among black people. 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But after the 60s when we had a LEGAL RIGHT to open up our own businesses and buy up property pretty much anywhere we pleased.....

did you know black people in the usa were still enslaved to whites in the 1970s? Alice wasn't alone. you make black history in the usa like a fantasy.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

War is A way of establishing power, but not the only way.

for the record, war is the way whites europeans did it and it worked pretty well from them everywhere in humanity. Cause those other ways you talk about don't get the same results as war based on current human history. 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Many immigrant communities have power in the United States and they didn't get it from war or mass violence.
Jews and Asians didn't use war to gain the economic and political power they have in America.

I know people in many non black immigrant communities. I have not heard them speak of themselves as powerful. If anything I have heard of them pleading for whites to be nice to them. 

White jews are white people, they do not count. They are part of the white collective that enslaved black people , which is war.  White asians did use war, Japan was the only non white european imperial power during the first two imperial white european wars yes? china is a nuclear power, the tides of immigration into the usa that occured after they became a nuclear power is based on that. India is a nuclear power, the indian government never signed the non proliferation treaty, and their immigration into the usa has only strengthened since then. 

Why do you think north korea/iran are doing it? why do you think israel already did it ? you think gaining a nuclear weapon isn't about war. And yes, once a country has a nuclear weapon it changes the status of that country and their citizens all over the world. that is why Iran wants one so bad, you would call iran stupid and they should focus on tricking the usa. 

[Chevdove]

On 11/19/2025 at 12:29 AM, ProfD said:

Slavery was horrible. Reparations should be paid to FBA/ADOS.

 

Agreed.

 

On 11/19/2025 at 12:29 AM, ProfD said:

As Black folks, we don't have to repeat cycles of dysfunction in response to slavery.

 

True, but for now, we are still stuck in the very system that conquered us, so we need help to stop the dysfunction from an outside source.

 

On 11/19/2025 at 12:29 AM, ProfD said:

People should be able to provide for offspring instead of relying on the government or anyone else to take care of them.

 

 

I completely disagree. Humans exist in a social world and for this reason, we are dependent on each other to survive in some way form or fashion, and so for this reason, people cannot be successful in providing for their own family units without getting help from a larger organizational government that forms. If that government is fair, then from that perspective people in smaller groups should be able to provide for themselves.

 

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

they always have, if you look at black people complaining about other black people it started in the 1800s from the most well off black people complaining that black people not well off had some erroneous behavior. This is why MLK jr for all of his nonviolence, for his nepobaby upbringing, was never made head of the southern black leadership conference, because he comprehended that black fiscal poor majority in the black populace in the usa have a financially inequal situation in the usa, built over centuries, that financially can not be deemed irrelevant. People talk about money but then want to disregard financial advantage whites have.

https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/356-mlk-jr-day-good-news-calendar/

 

 

WOW. Thank you for this reply.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Pioneer at times speaks about black people with such a disdain, it bends historical reality.

 

Again, thanks for your input and your genius. The term 'bends historical reality' is an amazing insight! I do agree that some of our perspective about the plight of us, African Americans in America can be a confusion and distorts what may really be true!

 

[ProfD]

6 hours ago, richardmurray said:

@ProfD

question, do you think our enslaved forebears should had children? based on your words, they shouldn't have wanted to bring children into this world far more than any other black people. And I do think it is a convenience if you suggest they were not able to choose to do so. My question is about their intent not ability.

Our enslaved forebearers were often bred to have children.  They did not have complete autonomy over their bodies. 

 

However, those who had a choice could have abstained from bringing children into such a world.

 

6 hours ago, richardmurray said:

no a war between usa and china will have many boots on the ground, many boots.

A war between the US and China is unlikely in our lifetime.  I still believe such a war would be a hi-tech affair if it comes to pass.  Not necessarily nuclear either.

 

4 hours ago, Chevdove said:

True, but for now, we are still stuck in the very system that conquered us, so we need help to stop the dysfunction from an outside source.

Black folks don't need outsiders to keep them from having children they cannot afford.  Birth control is free.

 

4 hours ago, Chevdove said:

I completely disagree. Humans exist in a social world and for this reason, we are dependent on each other to survive in some way form or fashion, and so for this reason, people cannot be successful in providing for their own family units without getting help from a larger organizational government that forms. If that government is fair, then from that perspective people in smaller groups should be able to provide for themselves.

Interdependence does not absolve humans from personal responsibility and accountability.  As an adult, we are expected to make rationale decisions.  Our survival is dependent upon it.

 

Beyond the historic and systemic issues, a huge part of our dysfunction as Black folks lies in decision-making; personal responsibility and accountability. 

 

As Black folks, we cannot continue to do selfish, reckless and/or unproductive sh8t and expect positive results.

 

The reality is that nobody and nothing else is going to save or take care of Black folks.  We have to fend and fight for ourselves.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

7 minutes ago, ProfD said:

However, those who had a choice could have abstained from bringing children into such a world.

Yeah and humanity couldn't exist today. The blunt truth is, if every human being in a disfavorable situation chose to abstain from procreation, humanity wouldn't exist.

I argue based on human history that the shouldn't have children if in disfavorable situation: enslaved/serf/refugee/or similar applies to most of the parents in human history so... it whlle I comprehend the logic you state which i heard other black people as well as non black people state before, it is an unnatural position based on human history.

12 minutes ago, ProfD said:

A war between the US and China is unlikely in our lifetime.  I still believe such a war would be a hi-tech affair if it comes to pass.  Not necessarily nuclear either.

your correct, no one knows the timing or the tools or the rules.  I gamble the timing or tools or rules will be different. But... I think your rules gamble is a better bet. usa/china at the moment is more likely to become another global proxy war, like USa/USSR where the pair use others to avoid a straight confrontation. That will definitely allow nuclear avoidance and keep their involvement a tool based on while as in the third white european imperial war, most call the cold war, the militaristically lesser countries involved take on huge  losses in lives that aren't touted as war losses between the two major powers, though in function they are.

18 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Interdependence does not absolve humans from personal responsibility and accountability.  As an adult, we are expected to make rationale decisions.  Our survival is dependent upon it.

 

Beyond the historic and systemic issues, a huge part of our dysfunction as Black folks lies in decision-making; personal responsibility and accountability. 

 

As Black folks, we cannot continue to do selfish, reckless and/or unproductive sh8t and expect positive results.

 

The reality is that nobody and nothing else is going to save or take care of Black folks.  We have to fend and fight for ourselves.

Have you checked out the american revolution series from PBS which I posted? 

https://aalbc.com/tc/events/week/2025-11-21/?id=7

 

I ask because as like the vietnam war documentary or the civil war documentary or the jews in the holocaust documentary. Burns team don't allow philosophy to go over truth. I even argue that from the declaration itselfpeople in the usa have tried to have philosophy go over truth. Not to undo truth or speak lies but the emphasis is a hopefulness.

 

For me, your opening statement in the phrase displays it fully.

Interdependence does not absolve humans from personal responsibility and accountability... is a more elegant way of saying, collectivism is not greater than individualism. 

And individualism for me is the heart of statian/of the usa philosophy.

When a black person says I got mine get yours, that is individualism. It isn't suggesting a black person doesn't comprehend the collective situation but they are placing greater value in the individual power or role. 

When a black or non black person says slavery was legal, that is individualism. It isn't suggesting enslavement is good or positive  but whatever is under the law at a given moment allows an individuals passions or drive to act.

When an immigrant today says I came to the USA to work, that is individualism. It isn't suggesting they aren't breaking a law, or are welcomed by the people in the usa or are faithful to the country they left, it is saying that an individual actions are more important than a collectives laws[the laws in the usa ] , average intent [the people in the usa ]or average perspective[the people in the country they left]

 

And the rest of your argument makes ,to me, logical sense, if you accept that initial point. 

The same goes to pioneer. Pioneers position starts with , no black individual or group has any external reason in modernity/today to be hindered. Once you start there the rest of pioneer's points make perfect sense. 

 

And as I have said, i think the black populace in the usa has always had this battle over collectivist and individualist, lets be blunt,

the black people who fought for the creation of the usa were ardent individualist. from the over ninety percent of black people enslaved to the public proclamations of non blacks fighting to cede from the english empire, no collective reason exist to support the founding of the usa BUT an individualist reason does exist. The usa at its infancy stated to nonblacks, specifically whites christian european males, that they have an individual freedom no matter the collective situation and the blacks who supported the usa saw in that the potential for expansion to all individuals. 

the black people who fought against the creation of the usa were ardent collectivist. The number of black people that whites colonist stopped from joining the english is testament to that. It isn't that the english aren't enslavers or like blacks, but the collective good of black people in the english colonies which most black people knew would happen if england won and in parallel the collective horror of black people in the english colonies which most black people knew would happen if england lost was the reasoning. And i cheap hindsight the black people who fought against the creation of the usa were correct. 

 

As a historical note, one thing the documentary made me give greater value to is the variance of whites in the english colonies. 

Quietly, the english colonies were already not english. what do I mean? 

The english error was that, they thought in terms of being english but the english colonies were already "white" not english or german or french or spanish or russian but "white" . The english didn't comprehend the identity of the coloist wasn't englishman with non english. it was in the modern vernacular, white people. Yes, the wealthiest were english, anglicans right. but the overall white populace was already not english, and the proof today is most white americans are actually german americans not anglo americans. so yes english is the language and anglophilia is strong but white culture in the usa isn't english. 

And that is where the english empire made the mistake which is why after the usa they ended enslavement and made the commonwealth culture, which was designed to widen the identity of being english in the same way the usa was born with a "white" identity. 

The lesson is a mixed peoples culture even if you haven't labeled them is real once it manifest. 

I think in parallel, the modern USA is going through a similar reality. 

The immigrant populace of the usa today has become a multiracial body that is only human, not white or black or christian or muslim or latino or anglo or sino ... they are only united in being human +individuals. 

The white populace of the usa can embrace a white collectivism which includes today white women, white asians, white latinos, white muslims, which extends from the origin of the usa who believe in individualism, but have a collective tinge based on phenotype. but said white populace is having a problem with the modern immigrant block  stemming from the immigration act of 1964  , which includes whites/blacks/transgenders/females/old/chinese/arabs/nigerians/jamaicans/and all, who equally believe in individualism but embrace a human collectivism over any branch in humanity and that is being exposed in the presidencies or Schrumpt the mayoralty of Mamdani...

But both of them represent growing factions that are willing to split over ideas. and that is where even hochul, a woman, shows the role of individuals or small groups in between the Old Wnite and the New Rainbow. I think DOSers and Indigenous people are the two primary smaller groups , not in the whites, not in the modern immigrant. 

But as in the past, need to make careful choices. In the past both of those groups went against the white colonist and supported the english which led to failure. 

I can't say whether it is wiser as a group to support the modern immigrants or white nationalists , I think some individuals in the Black Descended of enslaved have already decided who they will support in the coming internal war in these statian lands, however that war manifest. 

 

[ProfD]

17 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

@ProfD

Yeah and humanity couldn't exist today. The blunt truth is, if every human being in a disfavorable situation chose to abstain from procreation, humanity wouldn't exist.

I argue based on human history that the shouldn't have children if in disfavorable situation: enslaved/serf/refugee/or similar applies to most of the parents in human history so... it whlle I comprehend the logic you state which i heard other black people as well as non black people state before, it is an unnatural position based on human history.

Right.  Human biology is wired in such a way that people are going to procreate regardless of their conditions and/or circumstances. 

 

Humans still have a choice.  People choose not to procreate for various reasons whether it is class or s8xual orientation or whatever.

 

Again, my position remains that if people cannot afford to procreate...they should not do it.  Provision is food, clothing, shelter and protection at bare minimum.

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

your correct, no one knows the timing or the tools or the rules.  I gamble the timing or tools or rules will be different. But... I think your rules gamble is a better bet. usa/china at the moment is more likely to become another global proxy war, like USa/USSR where the pair use others to avoid a straight confrontation. That will definitely allow nuclear avoidance and keep their involvement a tool based on while as in the third white european imperial war, most call the cold war, the militaristically lesser countries involved take on huge  losses in lives that aren't touted as war losses between the two major powers, though in function they are.

Exactly.  Cold wars and proxy wars between super power countries enable them to maintain the balance of power over the rest.

 

17 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

Have you checked out the american revolution series from PBS which I posted? 

I have not checked it out yet.  I will get around to it.

 

17 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

For me, your opening statement in the phrase displays it fully.

Interdependence does not absolve humans from personal responsibility and accountability... is a more elegant way of saying, collectivism is not greater than individualism. 

And individualism for me is the heart of statian/of the usa philosophy.

When a black person says I got mine get yours, that is individualism. It isn't suggesting a black person doesn't comprehend the collective situation but they are placing greater value in the individual power or role. 

To me, it is not about placing higher value on individualism. 

 

A winning sports team is a collective of gifted and/or talented individuals.  Everyone on the team has a personal responsibility to train and prepare to be the very best.

 

IMO, the same thing applies to society. The stronger we are individually, the better equipped we are in contributing to the collective.  That's not advocating the "I got mine, go get yours" mentality. 

 

The problem is when individuals would rather depend on others instead of pulling their own weight.

 

As a musician, I always look to play with the best musicians around me.  It is a waste of time and energy and does not serve the music well to play with musicians who have not put in the work to be their very best.

 

A collective is only as strong as its weakest links.  That starts with individuals putting in their work.

 

In order to run the world, white folks clearly understand when they need to put their individuality aside and function as a collective too.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

4 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Exactly.  Cold wars and proxy wars between super power countries enable them to maintain the balance of power over the rest.

Plus, maintain themselves as they are limited in reach. the so called cold war didn't happen because the usa + ussr wanted to maintain a balance of power over the rest, it happened because the usa couldn't afford to continue a war against an honest opponent, the usa at the end of the second white imperial war, world war 2, were logistically at a limit and the ussr didn't have the nuclear option. IT wasn't strategic desire from either as much as logistical demand.

My reason for suggesting a proxy war between china + the usa isn't that they will be in strategic league with each other which is your wordings allusion. 

Modern China was born from global imperialism, people forget china at the time before maos' ascendence had been dominated not just by White European powers but the usa + japan so many chinese and I Argue most view outsiders no matter who they are , including fellow asians, including fellow people not white european , as untrustworthies based on their near, 1900s , history. China militaristically seems to be very wary of the kind of imperialism the usa has. They still know what full blown imperialism is and don't want it. They want resources but they don't want an alliance system that the european countries like to do. The chinese I argue are like a true nuclear powered japan. the japanese don't kill others in japan but they don't care for others really, they like visitors or tourists but not immigrants. China is the same, they don't mind visitors at all but not immigrants. 

The USA has been looking for a replacement for the ussr since the end of the commonly called cold war. 

so , between the USA's desire and China's resource need alongside the chinese lack of global ambitions,  I can see a proxy but it will not be as potent as against the ussr.  

I argue the better bet for what the usa want which will serve china better is a proxy war between the European Union and Russia. In that way the usa + china can not be publicly labaled the active parties while fueling either side. 

 

33 minutes ago, ProfD said:

To me, it is not about placing higher value on individualism. 

So many black people in the usa talk about dubois when younger's double mind /perspective philosophy. but , I argue, black people do it to ourselves, by how we speak. 

I do wish I comprehended why black people who clearly in their discourse favor individualism, always say what I just quoted you as saying. 

why? I don't see any shame in individualism. I think of ida be wells, harriet tubman, FRederick douglass, web dubois when younger, booker t washington, marcus garvey, that period. So many in that period in their personal lives had an individualism, but were so wary of saying to other black people to just fend for themselves. I know many people in the black populace in the usa love the middle ground thinking. That is how many have tried to keep black homes alive when one son wants to go to harvard and the other son wants to kill whites. But, I wish you would admit it is. It is the next step. and I don't see any shame. Do I concur? no. But, I comprehend your individualism. I do. But, why try to suggest the village is more. I think that is where many black people go dysfunctional. Personal Accountability, yes, but t has borders.

 

17 minutes ago, ProfD said:

A winning sports team is a collective of gifted and/or talented individuals.  Everyone on the team has a personal responsibility to train and prepare to be the very best.

the one flaw in your analogy is any... most sports teams in modernity , whether winning or not, are a collective of individuals who have willingly chosen to work together. That is a key difference. When you look at the black populace in NYC, as the cheapest example I can give. yes, the black populace in NYC is a collective, yes the black populace in NYC is a collective of individuals BUT the black populace in NYC isn't a collective of individuals who chose to work together. some in that collective have chosen to work together. That is a huge element profd,  that ruins your analogy. This goes back to what I meant about the million man march. The million man march had a collective of black individuals WHO CHOSE to work/come together. The million man march was the sports team, not the black populace in the USA.

 

And agan, you mention music. Then you fully well know, that a band is not just a collection of individuals, they CHOOSE to be together. And what happens when one band member doesn't choose to work together anymore, regardless of the reason , they leave the band. You can not say blacks or non blacks choose to be together. collectives of individuals, but they don't choose. when a black child is born, right now, they are an individual in a black collective, but they haven't chosen to work with anyone. 

 

You like many black people give whites more credit than they deserve. Alot of circumstances, and alot more unadmitted luck, are part of their journey, like all human groups, which I wish non white europeans would admit more in discourse . you make them too machiavellan, that isn't them, they wish it was them. Maybe black people, especially many or most in the usa,  wish black people were that machiavellan, but that never happens in reality. No group is ever that organized, not even the falsely praised by many white jew, ala their history. 

The creation of the usa alone proves this. If France didn't get involved the way they did the usa never happens. And the usa didn't force france of that time to do anything. France made choices. Governments do all the time, and it always plays out someway. Look at Cuba.  Cuba should be looking like somalia. Yes, Fidel made choices, Cuban citizens made choices. but the bay of pigs could had led to fidel being murdered. Maybe an assasin could had killed fidel. Maybe a general could had played the benedict arnold. these little things are not just choices but luck. 

 

And thank you... thinking on our discourse I comprehend now why black people like you say what I quoted penultimately. But your wrong, whites don't do individualism + collectivism together cohesively. No one does. That is why humanity is as  it is now. Most groups in humanity don't allow individualism thus people leave groups and come to the one government that embraces individualism over collectivism, the usa. But, the usa as the white populace in it has always proven, from the founding to the war between the states to modernity, don't do collectivism well. Too many Black people give non blacks too much credit, maybe cause of envy or frustration at our situation or a mix of both. 

 

I argue kemet had the best collectivism, thousands of years in a continual culture,  but they had luck too, the tools in humanity were not as plentiful, in parallel, once the age of true rulers of the nile ended, conciding with the era of tools:) kemet was never the same. kemet required a technological naivety that they saw end with the hellenistic age and the growing white european power which is all about tools use. 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

I do wish I comprehended why black people who clearly in their discourse favor individualism, always say what I just quoted you as saying. 

why? I don't see any shame in individualism.

 

It is the next step. and I don't see any shame. Do I concur? no. But, I comprehend your individualism. I do. But, why try to suggest the village is more. I think that is where many black people go dysfunctional. Personal Accountability, yes, but t has borders.

There is no shame in individualism.  The key is understanding how it can be beneficial to the collective.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

the one flaw in your analogy is any... most sports teams in modernity , whether winning or not, are a collective of individuals who have willingly chosen to work together. That is a key difference.

A sports teams is a collective built on individuals who either work together or find something else to do.

 

Same thing applies to your labeling of tribes which I interpret to be a collective of like-minded individuals.  They each have a personal responsibility to carry their own weight within the tribe/collective.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

When you look at the black populace in NYC, as the cheapest example I can give. yes, the black populace in NYC is a collective, yes the black populace in NYC is a collective of individuals BUT the black populace in NYC isn't a collective of individuals who chose to work together. some in that collective have chosen to work together.

The Black populace in NYC is made up of people from all over the planet.  The main thing they have in common is skin color.  Otherwise, they sub-divide by cultural identity, class, religion and any number of things.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

That is a huge element profd,  that ruins your analogy. This goes back to what I meant about the million man march. The million man march had a collective of black individuals WHO CHOSE to work/come together. The million man march was the sports team, not the black populace in the USA.

The Million Man March was a moment in time back in 1995.  Black men from all over the US came together.  They did not leave Washington DC with a plan of action and milestones to be accomplished.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

And agan, you mention music. Then you fully well know, that a band is not just a collection of individuals, they CHOOSE to be together. And what happens when one band member doesn't choose to work together anymore, regardless of the reason , they leave the band.

In a circular way, I think we are getting to Black folks having a choice as individuals to forming collectives.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

You can not say blacks or non blacks choose to be together. collectives of individuals, but they don't choose. when a black child is born, right now, they are an individual in a black collective, but they haven't chosen to work with anyone. 

Obviously, a child does not get to choose anything.  However, Black folks over time can certainly choose which collective(s) to which they want to belong.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

You like many black people give whites more credit than they deserve.

I'm not giving white folks undeserved credit.  Based on my observation, they run the planet. 

 

IMO, there is a level of coordination among white folks that enables them to maintain power over non-white folks.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

And thank you... thinking on our discourse I comprehend now why black people like you say what I quoted penultimately. But your wrong, whites don't do individualism + collectivism together cohesively. No one does.

It is not about cohesion.  Maintaining power is knowing how to pull the levers of it and if/when to close ranks.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

That is why humanity is as  it is now. Most groups in humanity don't allow individualism thus people leave groups and come to the one government that embraces individualism over collectivism, the usa.

Most countries on the planet are made up of homogeneous people.  Apparently, they are fine with their culture and way of life.  That's why Chinese and Russians haven't overthrown their leaders.

 

Surely, those who favor individualism will form their own tribes and/or break off and move to a country like the US that embraces it.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

But, the usa as the white populace in it has always proven, from the founding to the war between the states to modernity, don't do collectivism well.

They have done collectivism well enough to have created the most powerful nation on the planet.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Too many Black people give non blacks too much credit, maybe cause of envy or frustration at our situation or a mix of both.

No frustration, envy or confusion.  The proof is right before the eyes of those who choose to see it.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

I argue kemet had the best collectivism, thousands of years in a continual culture, but they had luck too, the tools in humanity were not as plentiful, in parallel, once the age of true rulers of the nile ended, conciding with the era of tools:) kemet was never the same. kemet required a technological naivety that they saw end with the hellenistic age and the growing white european power which is all about tools use. 

It has been thousands of years since Kemet/Egypt was the most advanced country on the planet. 

 

The technological advancements and shift in power is way ahead of where Kemet/Egypt ended over thousands of years. 

 

I don't believe the Egyptians have contributed a significant invention within the past 100 years.  No vehicles, TVs, computers, cell phones, social media apps, etc.

 

History is a wonderful thing that humans should know; not to dwell on the past but in order to grow.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

18 minutes ago, ProfD said:

There is no shame in individualism.  The key is understanding how it can be beneficial to the collective.

well all philosophies have a positive or negative element. Individualism at its core is anti collective. Collectivism at its core is anti individual.  for me, individualism doesn't have to be to the betterment of any collective in the same way collectivism doesn't have to allow for individualism. 

 

20 minutes ago, ProfD said:

A sports teams is a collective built on individuals who either work together or find something else to do.

 

Same thing applies to your labeling of tribes which I interpret to be a collective of like-minded individuals.  They each have a personal responsibility to carry their own weight within the tribe/collective.

exactly, the tribes within the black populace are made up of individuals who choose to work together, but not the black populace overall. 

21 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The Million Man March was a moment in time back in 1995.  Black men from all over the US came together.  They did not leave Washington DC with a plan of action and milestones to be accomplished.

no they didn't nor did the people who organized the event who were mostly black want them too leave with a plan of action or milestone which is equally important. 

I will be blunt, if I organize a gathering in NYC for black men to show solidarity, a Black Man March,  and the black men show up and show solidarity, then after the event if the black men weren't guided I will say online, cable television, whereever, I am to blame. Cause in my view, I will be to blame. The black men did their part by coming. It was up to me to organize, not them. I called for the gathering, black men in nyc didn't. I did, so I am accountable. I am responsible. They did all they had to do by coming and showing solidarity.

26 minutes ago, ProfD said:

In a circular way, I think we are getting to Black folks having a choice as individuals to forming collectives.

all humans have that choice, tribalism has no bounds, ask latinos this past two years:)  they have been given a statian lesson in assessing the true quality of your collective, what tribes truly exist and what individuals are looking out for themselves regardless of any group, these past two years. I think it has stunned some:) but they are young, it takes time to gain the experience of the native american or the Black DOSer.

28 minutes ago, ProfD said:

IMO, there is a level of coordination among white folks that enables them to maintain power over non-white folks.

I think the coordination of white european wealthy has been supplanted by a level of coordination among the multiracial financially wealthy , this is partly because of china but also the various 1%'s who exist in all countries or all minority populaces in countries, like the DOS whose black wealthy are a clear example,  including the haiti's of the world.  I will argue, Schrumpft ascendecny is part of this. Whites, especially fiscally poor whites,  in the USA who were raised on a quality in white unity in usa realize its gone, they want to get it back but history proves that will fail. Said poor whites were so busy doing everything they could to harm black people in the 1900s, making sure the civil rights act didn't benefit us with as many blockades or harms or similars  as possible that fiscally rich whites found a new paradigm of multiracial fiscal wealthy unity, wich is the basis of the global economy, thus why schrumpft is trying to go to a one to one system which will force all the 1%'s in little countries to change as they rely on the global system or protection and products. 

 

36 minutes ago, ProfD said:

That's why Chinese and Russians haven't overthrown their leaders.

Your wrong there my friend.

Chinese people have no reason to overthrow the chinese government, not one reason. The chinese government absent taking others people, absent enslaving other people, while making selfish individualist all over the world fiscally wealthy for resources or trade deals, is second only to the usa in the true militaristic power field. China has a single party but that party is used to infighting. Whereas the donkeys or elephants are dysfunctional when they infight, leading to no laws and a stuck government, the wings of the dragon/the single party, fight each other but the winners dictate the policy. When you look at Mamdani's mayorality, it reminds me of deng xioping , when he came about he was from a wing of the chinese community party, he side others petitioned polled, made allegiances with important members and he gained the lead role and the strategy changed. China's government is of its people, it isn't in the way the usa likes, it is another model, but it invites activity and grassroots change, just not the way the usa does it. 

Russia I want to say is complicated.  PEople forget russia had two government systems before putin.

1. You had the gorbachev attempt, which I need to study more, to administratively go into a USa style fiscal capitalist system from the soviet USSR system but between president Reagan and Bush and bad luck it fell apart. I am certain gorbachev was right, he wasn't trying to continue the third white european imperial war commonly called the Cold War, but he realized that many russians were looking for a hard move into fiscal capitalism and he comprehended the people of russia weren't ready for that. Gorbachev allowed the breakup of the soviet union with checkoslovakia/poland and others leaving. He helped germany reunite. But internally the oligarchs and others were hammering led by the usa who was probably looking for russia to lose its way completely.  The one thing Gorbachev needed was patience and no one had it. The funny thing is 2013 most parts of the former soviet union said the dissolution was a bad thing:)  

2.  The oligarchal Yeltsin era... I always say, one of the biggest problems with how people outside the usa view the usa's financial success, is most seem to always cut out the raw truths of the first people and the black dosers as mandatory elements of financial success. Whites were able to kill people for land. that is a huge part of wealth in the usa. Harvard and yale have nothing to do with that. enslavement is a huge part of wealth in the usa. it isn't an accident that the usa founders enslaved others while fighting for their freedoms. Fiscal capitalism always requires losers, auto losers, a peoples who can be abused legally, not large enough to overtake the majority but large enough to leech off of. The oligarchs came in and grabbed all the natural resources of russia but they didn't have a first peoples, they didn't have any enslaved populace, so the fiscal capitalism had imbalance. they got their money but the russian majority wasn't prepared for the financial blowback and absent the very large welfare system of the soviets which made it where rent/food/electricity/schooling/healthcare was all taken care of for all. Now under the oligarchs rents/food prices/healthcare costs, everything became a bill, a total opening up of russia as a marketplace, and russia couldn't find enough abusable people to make it work. Chechnya was an attempt but it wasn't enough of them for that, and no new land was available. I never forget telling a russian in the new york city, the problem with russians and most idolizers of the usa is when they look at the usa they see the big buildings of downtown manhattan, or the huge highway systems and forget the many small towns near the mississippi river with no electricity or good running water, they forget the native american reservations or appalachain poor whites who live near toxic or radioactive waste. The usa has never helped all in it, it has always been a place where many are hurt in it, but those who are doing well give it a pass casue the money is so good. The oligarchs didn't have a way to mirror the honest financial assessment of the usa and thus putin.

3. Yes putin has installed himself. but part of putin's strength is the failure of the prior two governments and the reality that russia in the soviet era had better services for the common person in russia. So, putin has that reality. Russians don't want to go back to the oligarchs. they know what the fiscal rich running things is. They hate it. Putin recognizes he has to live long enough to make the change stick,generational. the old soviet model russia doesn't have the resources for, he can't provide that level of welfare. 

 

So you say overthrow but into what, you think the usa is a goal? the usa is the best country in the world if one is looking at individual success, but collective success, the usa is the worst in the world. Even whites themselves see this now. ala Schrumpt. 

 

 

36 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Surely, those who favor individualism will form their own tribes and/or break off and move to a country like the US that embraces it.

it is a rare i do it, but I will defend the usa and say  there is only one usa. No other country/government has individualism like it, all other countries/gvernments are managed by a majority collective, the usa is run by a union of individuals, not all fiscally wealthy, it may seem the same but it isn't. The union of individuals in the usa are not connected by money but by individualism, an individualist ruleset. one rule is each individual in humanity is welcome. another rule is any collective can be harmed for the sake of an individual. it is the second rule that many don't want to admit to.  It is the black christian alone in the church who opposes the group of blacks trying to enact revenge, it is the rich white man who leeches off of all others. It is the native american who joins the us military while their peers roam the usa as stateless. Individuals are the key, the modern immigrants are all people who left their larger populaces for their individual benefit. 

 

 

[ProfD]

23 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

Your wrong there my friend.

Chinese people have no reason to overthrow the chinese government, not one reason. 

 

Russia I want to say is complicated.  PEople forget russia had two government systems before putin.

 

So you say overthrow but into what, you think the usa is a goal?

My point was that in both China and Russia, the people have no reason or desire to overthrow or kick out their leaders because as a mostly homogeneous society, they are apparently fine with their governance.

 

23 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

it is a rare i do it, but I will defend the usa and say  there is only one usa. No other country/government has individualism like it, all other countries/gvernments are managed by a majority collective, the usa is run by a union of individuals, not all fiscally wealthy, it may seem the same but it isn't. The union of individuals in the usa are not connected by money but by individualism, an individualist ruleset. one rule is each individual in humanity is welcome. another rule is any collective can be harmed for the sake of an individual.

Therein lies the reason the US is considered the great experiment and a melting pot. 

 

In its 250 years of existence, this patch quilt country consisting of people from all over the globe has become the most powerful nation on the planet.

 

Seems far more people want to immigrate to the US versus those who want to leave.

[Pioneer1]

 

@umbrarchist


They had been arranged to have an empty space and there was a LOT of Meat wrapped in plastic. My father had just hired a young Black man as a butcher.

 

Oh!
Lol...was my man hustling meat from your father's store out of the back door? 

If so, what did your father DO to the man???

 

 

 

 

I just went and got my father to show him.

I hope that didn't make you "accessory" to a violent crime.
I'll wait for your answer to my question, to find out if it did....lol.

So what happened to your father's business?
Do you have any other siblings he could have left it to?

 

 

 

 

 

richardmurray
 

 

It is interesting you don't use the word powerful, you use smart, like a chessboard game, not power, which is why Black descended of enslaved are here. war is why, war is about power. intelligence has value but it is a bloody mess.

I actually use the word "intelligent" more than smart, however me and ProfD have discussed power multiple times through out our dialog in this thread and others.

As I said, when it comes to people....power comes OUT OF intelligence.
The leader has to be INTELLIGENT enough to organize the people for a valid purpose, and the people he's leading have to be INTELLIGENT enough to follow his instructions properly in order for the plan to be effective.

 

 

war is why, war is about power. intelligence has value but it is a bloody mess

War is about more than JUST power...but it definitely involves power.
But you seem to downplay how substantial of a role intelligence actually HAS in both war itself and the power component.

Aside from the fact that there's a CIA (Central INTELLIGENCE Agency), in order to effectively fight and win a war you need to gather the proper INTELLIGENCE (information) to know what your enemy is up to and how to defeat them.  That takes a measure of intelligence to perform such feats.

 

 

 

 

 

A bullet can come from anyone. What makes you think intelligence can stop a bullet from a fool ?

An INTELLIGENT person will often take the necessary precautions to MINIMIZE threats to his/her safety.
Though not perfect, they diminish the risks by using smart tactics like wearing bullet proof vests, using bullet proof shields, and actually using their INTELLIGENCE not to put themselves in situations that make them prone to violent attacks in the first place.

In other words, they would do the VERY OPPOSITE of what Charlie Kirk did.

 

 

 

did you know black people in the usa were still enslaved to whites in the 1970s? Alice wasn't alone. you make black history in the usa like a fantasy.

What to you mean "were""?
When did it end?
You have HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of Black people still legally enslaved in America's prison system.





for the record, war is the way whites europeans did it and it worked pretty well from them everywhere in humanity. Cause those other ways you talk about don't get the same results as war based on current human history.

What were the ways that I talked about...specifically...that didn't get the "same results"?

Were the CONDITIONS the same as when the White Europeans went to war?

 

 

 

 

I know people in many non black immigrant communities. I have not heard them speak of themselves as powerful.

It's called "humility"...lol.
How many people that you BELIEVE are powerful...actually speak of themselves as "powerful"????
 

 

 

 

If anything I have heard of them pleading for whites to be nice to them.

Which is also....in some cases...a sign of humility and intelligence.
They know who's buttering their bread in America and they're kissing up to them.
 

 

 

 

White asians did use war

Nate Dogg said:
 

Uh, what...exactly...is a "white Asian"?????





, Japan was the only non white european imperial power during the first two imperial white european wars yes? china is a nuclear power, the tides of immigration into the usa that occured after they became a nuclear power is based on that. India is a nuclear power, the indian government never signed the non proliferation treaty, and their immigration into the usa has only strengthened since then.

Why do you think north korea/iran are doing it? why do you think israel already did it ? you think gaining a nuclear weapon isn't about war. And yes, once a country has a nuclear weapon it changes the status of that country and their citizens all over the world. that is why Iran wants one so bad,

??????
How does any of this disprove or contend with anything I've said?




you would call iran stupid and they should focus on tricking the usa.

Huh????

 

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

My point was that in both China and Russia, the people have no reason or desire to overthrow or kick out their leaders because as a mostly homogeneous society, they are apparently fine with their governance.

but are they mostly homogenous? 

I have never lived in either country but I know Russia has gypsies/cossasks/turks/mongolians/chechyans/ and many others not just the descendents of the rus or vandals. 

They may not be phenotpyically as variant but they are culturally variant.

China is mostly han chinese but. the ugyars the tibetans the various south east asian peoples whom the chinese government officially recognizes. Maybe phenotypically similar but are culturally variant.

For me the reasons are not because either country is homogenous but that the governmental reasons i stated 

@Pioneer1

 

35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

In other words, they would do the VERY OPPOSITE of what Charlie Kirk did.

was MLK  jr unintelligent? 

38 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

How does any of this disprove or contend with anything I've said?

to bad you don't compehend, maybe one day you will

 

[Pioneer1]

19 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

 

@Pioneer1

 

was MLK  jr unintelligent? 

 

 

No, but he had an entire GOVERNMENT trying to take him out.