Black American vs AfroAmerican

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From The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1776)

"The various modes of worship, which prevailed in the Roman world, were all considered by the people, as equally true; by the philosopher, as equally false; and by the magistrate, as equally useful."

The same holds true for the concept of race. 

....considered by the masses, as equally true; by the educated, as equally false; and by the plutocracy as equally useful.

 

[Chevdove]

13 hours ago, frankster said:

We Know.....every scientific school of thought we have that has a bearing on this issue comes back supporting African and Africans being the source of all Human beings

 

 

 

No, not all Africa and Africans are the source of ALL human beings because Neanderthals are NOT African, they do not have afros and many other genetics that stem from the source of Africans.

 

Human beings even today show genetic traits that prove their is another separate source of human origins, a more primitive type of human that roamed this earth, separate from Africans in existence right now on earth today; otherwise the Bible would be a lie about Eve, the African female, having sex with that other human and giving him 'his seed'; of which she gave birth to nine months later after the Original Sin occurred:

[15] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;

it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
[16] Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;

in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband,

and he shall rule over thee. GENESIS 3:15.

 

Ask yourselves, why is this scripture actually referencing 'the seed' and conception and bringing forth children, meaning 

reproduction. Obviously this referencing is regarding 'sex', a sex act that had occurred. This has not been taught to the African American

descendants of slaves (DOS) even in the Church where it should be the most vital foundation to learn and to understand because without this understanding, we are falsely led to believe that there is only 'one human origin' in this world. Humans do NOT reflect this 'One human Race' ideology simply because the word 'Race' is based on an incomplete scientific classification of all humans today. That term, 'Race' is made up by modern mankind today and brings confusion because it does not fit any scientific order for the classification of any living thing. There is no proof of a single source for all humans today, however, genetics does show that humans today reveal a distinction in species. The scientific classification of 'speciation' can be addressed, but so far as I can understand, there is no proof of a single source for all humans whether, modern or primitive. Primitive humans like the Neanderthals are not defined to have been 'CREATED' but modern humans are defined as such in the Bible based upon an anatomically straight male human origin. No one can provide any origin for Primitive humans. The ancient scriptures never said that the Primitive human that Eve has sex with was 'created' by the Creator, so no one knows of his origins, only that he existed on this earth and the prophets repeatedly wrote that he was intersexed all throughout the Bible. He could not produce no anatomically straight male offspring at all. That is why he stalked Eve in Eden. 

 

 

[15] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;

it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. GENESIS 3:15.

 

*His Head versus His Heel*

 

 

 

The Roman Empire 

 

 

 

"From The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1776)"
 

I guess this was the greatest government on this planet at one point in time. 

[Pioneer1]

Troy

No cognitive dissonance is required to hold more than two thoughts in my head at the same time.

 

I know...lol.
And that describes YOUR thinking when it comes to race.

 

-On one hand you claim that race is a social construct and acknowledge there are Black people.
-On the other hand you claim that multiple races don't exist and don't accept that they do.

If you accept that race is an idea constructed by society how can you deny the details OF that construction by claiming multiple races don't exist?

You have a site dedicated to "Black" literature.
What do you mean when you say "Black"???

Yeah, apply your subject pioneer-race-scale to these women and enlighten us.  All the while proving the absurdity different race
 

Lol.....
Martin Luther King and Malcolm X and many other AfroAmerican leaders acknowledged they reality of different races, were THEY "absurd"?
 

Many people in Congress and judges around the nation acknowledge that multiple races exist and promote laws to circumvent racism in America.
Are you smarter than them?

Do you know something THEY don't know that makes their behavior silly and absurd to focus on such "nonsense"???

Come on out of De'Nile bro, and dry yourself off.....lol.



 

frankster

 

We Know.....every scientific school of thought we have that has a bearing on this issue comes back supporting African and Africans being the source of all Human beings
 

That's simply not true.
They don't know....they merely theorize based on evidence they find.
The evidence that contradicts this....such as the evidence they find in MesoAmerica.....is simply ignored because it doesn't fit the "out of Africa" narrative they CURRENTLY promote.
 

The fact is, human beings today simply don't KNOW.
They can theorize and hypothesize but they don't KNOW because they weren't around to see it....those are the FACTS.
 

 

 

Racism Race and Races only has reality in a social setting where it is accepted as true and enforce it by law and practice
 

"only has reality" is still REALITY none the less.

Like telling a person, "You're only rich because your father left you the money".
Yeah...but they're still rich...lol.

 

 

 

 

Same as how only in a game of monopoly do you get $200 for passing Go...because the players accept it as true and enforce it by rule and play.

 

But the game exists.
And you're forced to play it.

That White police officer who is looking for suspects WILL acknowledge race and use race to communicate with and identity the suspects he's looking for regardless of how much YOU think he shouldn't.

Laws and rules acknowledge race and races whether or not we "think' they should be acknowledged or not.

[frankster]

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

 

No, not all Africa and Africans are the source of ALL human beings because Neanderthals are NOT African, they do not have afros and many other genetics that stem from the source of Africans.

According to what I know all hominids  hominins homo and human have one common ancestor who originated in Africa....

As they travel around the globe over many years of mutation they develop variation and diverged  that resulted in speciation...

Neanderthal  are I think the are descendants of Homo Erectus....Homo Erectus is out of Africa....

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

Human beings even today show genetic traits that prove their is another separate source of human origins, a more primitive type of human that roamed this earth, separate from Africans in existence right now on earth today; otherwise the Bible would be a lie about Eve, the African female, having sex with that other human and giving him 'his seed'; of which she gave birth to nine months later after the Original Sin occurred:

Human beings that share the same contemporaneous time period will and do intermix.

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

[15] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;

it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
[16] Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;

in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband,

and he shall rule over thee. GENESIS 3:15.

Tell me why the Serpent is a human?

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

Ask yourselves, why is this scripture actually referencing 'the seed' and conception and bringing forth children, meaning 

reproduction. Obviously this referencing is regarding 'sex', a sex act that had occurred. This has not been taught to the African American

descendants of slaves (DOS) even in the Church where it should be the most vital foundation to learn and to understand because without this understanding, we are falsely led to believe that there is only 'one human origin' in this world. Humans do NOT reflect this 'One human Race' ideology simply because the word 'Race' is based on an incomplete scientific classification of all humans today. That term, 'Race' is made up by modern mankind today and brings confusion because it does not fit any scientific order for the classification of any living thing. There is no proof of a single source for all humans today, however, genetics does show that humans today reveal a distinction in species. The scientific classification of 'speciation' can be addressed, but so far as I can understand, there is no proof of a single source for all humans whether, modern or primitive. Primitive humans like the Neanderthals are not defined to have been 'CREATED' but modern humans are defined as such in the Bible based upon an anatomically straight male human origin. No one can provide any origin for Primitive humans. The ancient scriptures never said that the Primitive human that Eve has sex with was 'created' by the Creator, so no one knows of his origins, only that he existed on this earth and the prophets repeatedly wrote that he was intersexed all throughout the Bible. He could not produce no anatomically straight male offspring at all. That is why he stalked Eve in Eden. 

The whole ideology of Races was invent and propagated by racist and racism..

So far all arguments to support its existence or reality scientifically biological or genetically has been disproven

I do not question its Authenticity as a Social Convention or Construct.....As it effects are very real in societies were it is accepted and enforced

 

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

 

[15] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;

it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. GENESIS 3:15.

 

*His Head versus His Heel*

Explain....as I see thy head and his heel

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

 

 

The Roman Empire 

 

 

 

"From The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1776)"
 

I guess this was the greatest government on this planet at one point in time. 

again explain?

[frankster]

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

We Know.....every scientific school of thought we have that has a bearing on this issue comes back supporting African and Africans being the source of all Human beings
 

That's simply not true.
They don't know....they merely theorize based on evidence they find.
The evidence that contradicts this....such as the evidence they find in MesoAmerica.....is simply ignored because it doesn't fit the "out of Africa" narrative they CURRENTLY promote.
 

The fact is, human beings today simply don't KNOW.
They can theorize and hypothesize but they don't KNOW because they weren't around to see it....those are the FACTS.

Present the evidence?

If memory serves....the earliest people of the americas are the so-called Clovis people then the found luzia - turns out she was African.

Though some now argue that she was Australopithecus

Even the Chinese spent millions of $$$$ to prove that they were not descendants of Africans.

 

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Racism Race and Races only has reality in a social setting where it is accepted as true and enforce it by law and practice
 

"only has reality" is still REALITY none the less.

Like telling a person, "You're only rich because your father left you the money".
Yeah...but they're still rich...lol.

Yes...

Not all realities enduring and exist independent of and stand on it own....some realities are dependent limited transient manmade constructions.

Racism today is not the same as racism of yesteryears

Socially realities only exist within societies....as soon as those social structures are no longer supported- they fade

Physically realities exist independent of society....within without before after and during.

 

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Same as how only in a game of monopoly do you get $200 for passing Go...because the players accept it as true and enforce it by rule and play.

 

But the game exists.

Yes

 

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And you're forced to play it.

No

You have free will...

You can refuse to play...

or refuse to play by the rules of the game

 

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That White police officer who is looking for suspects WILL acknowledge race and use race to communicate with and identity the suspects he's looking for regardless of how much YOU think he shouldn't.

True

I do not think he shouldn't....We live in a racist society and that is how people are described.

 

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Laws and rules acknowledge race and races whether or not we "think' they should be acknowledged or not.

I Accept race as a Social Construct....and I know I live in a racist society - As such I know the Laws and Rules that are applicable

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

Present the evidence?

 

No, present the PROOF.

Evidence is anything that supports your assertion.
You can have evidence that supports it and then have evidence that contradicts it too.
PROOF settles the question or erases doubt.

Where is the PROOF?

 

 

 

If memory serves....the earliest people of the americas are the so-called Clovis people then the found luzia - turns out she was African.

Remembering something means you experienced or observed it in the past.

You must be pretty old to "remember" something you experienced or observed yourself, from hundreds if not THOUSANDS of years ago...lol.

Every generation some "new evidence" pops up claiming this or that history in the Americas.
It may or may not be true, I'm not sure.
Plenty of conjecture, theories, clay pots somebody dug up or painting on a wall in a cave somewhere.....

But my point is...it's all THEORY....not FACT.
Because..... again....no person today was around to witness it, so people shouldn't be so zealous about it.

100 years from now "new evidence" will pop up claiming the very opposite.

 

 

 

 

Even the Chinese spent millions of $$$$ to prove that they were not descendants of Africans.

 

And maybe they weren't.
Again, we don't KNOW that they were.
We have the San people of southern Africa with slant eyes and yellow skin.

 

 

 

Other than them, we don't have anybody else in Africa who remotely looks like Chinese people.

 

 

 

Yes...

Not all realities enduring and exist independent of and stand on it own....some realities are dependent limited transient manmade constructions.

Reality is Reality.
If it's in Existence....it's Reality.
Doesn't matter WHERE in Reality it is....if it Exists....it's Reality.

 

 

 

Racism today is not the same as racism of yesteryears

 

True.
Like any religion it modifies and transforms itself based on time, culture, and geography to fit it's contemporary needs.
 

 

 

Socially realities only exist within societies....as soon as those social structures are no longer supported- they fade
 

Social Realities EXIST -stop right there, lol.
No need to qualify it.

 

Physically realities exist independent of society....within without before after and during.
 

Physical Realities EXIST -stop right there, lol.
Anything else beyond that is food for argument.

 

 

 

No

You have free will...

You can refuse to play...

or refuse to play by the rules of the game

 

Do you consider having only 2 options: play the game or commit suicide......"free will"????
 

If you're living in a racist society and don't have the power to get out of it or destroy it, what else can you do besides participate/play in it or exit it through death?

Refusing to play the game often leads to INCARCERATION in which you're still playing/participating in the game even if unwillingly.
Getting punished or injured....you're still in the game.
Unless you're powerful enough to destroy it or get out from under it's authority, the only exit is DEATH.

 

[frankster]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

Present the evidence?

 

No, present the PROOF.

Evidence is anything that supports your assertion.
You can have evidence that supports it and then have evidence that contradicts it too.
PROOF settles the question or erases doubt.

Where is the PROOF?

True..

I asked for evidence but if you have proof then present it..

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If memory serves....the earliest people of the americas are the so-called Clovis people then the found luzia - turns out she was African.

Remembering something means you experienced or observed it in the past.

Yes....I experienced reading the information

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You must be pretty old to "remember" something you experienced or observed yourself, from hundreds if not THOUSANDS of years ago...lol.

Genetic memory

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Every generation some "new evidence" pops up claiming this or that history in the Americas.
It may or may not be true, I'm not sure.
Plenty of conjecture, theories, clay pots somebody dug up or painting on a wall in a cave somewhere.....

But my point is...it's all THEORY....not FACT.
Because..... again....no person today was around to witness it, so people shouldn't be so zealous about it.

100 years from now "new evidence" will pop up claiming the very opposite.

That maybe true...

We are forced to accept the truth we know now and act from there......not the truth we may know in the future from which we cannot act

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Even the Chinese spent millions of $$$$ to prove that they were not descendants of Africans.

 

And maybe they weren't.
Again, we don't KNOW that they were.
We have the San people of southern Africa with slant eyes and yellow skin.

 

 

 

Other than them, we don't have anybody else in Africa who remotely looks like Chinese people.

They came to their own conclusion reluctantly....that they were descended from Africans.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yes...

Not all realities enduring and exist independent of and stand on it own....some realities are dependent limited transient manmade constructions.

Reality is Reality.
If it's in Existence....it's Reality.
Doesn't matter WHERE in Reality it is....if it Exists....it's Reality.

Yes and No

Reality is Realities

There are many Realities and many levels to each Reality

There is more to Reality than we both think or will ever knowYes

There is Your Reality and Shared Reality.....Shared Reality is agreed upon.

 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Racism today is not the same as racism of yesteryears

 

True.
Like any religion it modifies and transforms itself based on time, culture, and geography to fit it's contemporary needs.

Not entirely true....its the same culture and geography

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Socially realities only exist within societies....as soon as those social structures are no longer supported- they fade
 

Social Realities EXIST -stop right there, lol.
No need to qualify it.

It does need to be qualified....for its existence is dependent on society and its institutions

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Physically realities exist independent of society....within without before after and during.
 

Physical Realities EXIST -stop right there, lol.
Anything else beyond that is food for argument.

There is a difference between physical reality and social reality....

Its not food for argument.....

Can you taste social reality? ......you can easily taste physical reality? - so there is a qualitative difference

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

No

You have free will...

You can refuse to play...

or refuse to play by the rules of the game

 

Do you consider having only 2 options: play the game or commit suicide......"free will"????

Yes

I see an infinite options

You could fight? flee? play the game but by your own rules? just not cooperate?....etc

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If you're living in a racist society and don't have the power to get out of it or destroy it, what else can you do besides participate/play in it or exit it through death?

Ask the Haitians and the thousands of Maroons settlements that existed.....Palenques and Quilombos

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Refusing to play the game often leads to INCARCERATION in which you're still playing/participating in the game even if unwillingly.

Thousands escaped...

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Getting punished or injured....you're still in the game.

You not in the game....they trying to get you to play

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Unless you're powerful enough to destroy it or get out from under it's authority, the only exit is DEATH.

Not true

Many have exited without using death

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

True..

I asked for evidence but if you have proof then present it..

 

You asked for "evidence" for what?  For the fact that people are ignorant of what happened here thousands of years ago and don't know?
That's SELF evident....lol.

 

One KEY piece of evidence that somebody may actually be wrong is when they try to tell you about something that happened over 1000 years ago.
Anytime a human being tries to tell you about something that happened beyond a 1000 years ago that they haven't witnessed  COULD easily be wrong.
They may not be.
They may actually be right.
But they don't KNOW, that's my point.
 

 

Yes....I experienced reading the information

 

Lol....
Yeah well, EXPERIENCING watching porn isn't the same as actually EXPERIENCING sex....lol.

 

 

 

 

 

Genetic memory

 

How detailed is it?

 

 

 

 

That maybe true...

We are forced to accept the truth we know now and act from there......not the truth we may know in the future from which we cannot act

 

True.
We just need to make sure that what we THINK is true is ACTUALLY true, especially before acting on it.

Just because a White man in a lab coat and glasses CLAIMS that it's true and wrote it in a book, doesn't make it so.

Black people will serve well to stop arguing with EACHOTHER over information we got from White folks.
....and start getting it directly, ourselves.

 

 

 

 

 

They came to their own conclusion reluctantly....that they were descended from Africans.

 

How?
Do THEY have a time machine over in China to verify this?
Do Chinese themselves accept the Theory of Evolution or the Out of Africa Theory?

 

 

 

 

There are many Realities and many levels to each Reality

There is more to Reality than we both think or will ever know

 

Facts.

 

 

 

 

There is Your Reality and Shared Reality.....Shared Reality is agreed upon.

 

Agreed.

However I would tweak it a little by saying that Shared Reality is more PARTICIPATED IN than agreed upon.
People are in it together whether some "agree" with it or not...lol.

 

 

 

Not entirely true....its the same culture and geography

 

Not for Racism.
Racism spans the globe AND spans cultures.

There is racism among the Indians of India.
There is racism among the Spaniards of Spain.
There is racism among the Arabs of Libya.

 

 

 

 

 

It does need to be qualified....for its existence is dependent on society and its institutions

 

Once something Exists, it ALWAYS Exists....even if only in the past.

 

 

There is a difference between physical reality and social reality....

 

But it's still Reality.

Race is Reality.....regardless of which CATEGORY of Reality you want to drop it in.

 

 

 

 

You could fight?

 

Still in the game.
Sometimes winning....sometimes losing...but still playing.

 

 

 

 flee?

 

Still playing the game.
Just playing hide-n-go-seek....lol.

 

"Peek a boo....I still see you
...nigger"

 

 

 play the game but by your own rules? 

 

You can try.



just not cooperate?

Still in the game.
You'll just be penalized.

 

 

"Stop resisting!

Comply or die!"


Being OUT of the game means you're no longer subject to the RULES of the game.
If you're still subject to the RULES of the game (restricted actions and being punished) then you're definitely still IN the game.
You're just a bad or uncooperative player.

 

 

Ask the Haitians and the thousands of Maroons settlements that existed.....Palenques and Quilombos
 

True.
The Haitians of the past escaped the game.
The Haitians of today are participants.
Evidence of it is how they're constantly being dealt a bad hand by the dealer.

 

 

 

 

You not in the game....they trying to get you to play

 

You can be in the game without playing....just riding the bench, lol.

[frankster]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

True..

I asked for evidence but if you have proof then present it..

 

You asked for "evidence" for what?  For the fact that people are ignorant of what happened here thousands of years ago and don't know?
That's SELF evident....lol.

Evidence is an indication of what happened or is happening.....from which inferences can be made

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

One KEY piece of evidence that somebody may actually be wrong is when they try to tell you about something that happened over 1000 years ago.

Not if they have evidence...

One can not be every where and every when....

If you see prints in Sand or dirt...one can tell much of what transpired and often how long ago and what made it

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Anytime a human being tries to tell you about something that happened beyond a 1000 years ago that they haven't witnessed  COULD easily be wrong.
They may not be.
They may actually be right.
But they don't KNOW, that's my point.
 

That depends on how much evidence is left and the state of your technology and knowledge.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Yes....I experienced reading the information

 

Lol....
Yeah well, EXPERIENCING watching porn isn't the same as actually EXPERIENCING sex....lol.

 

It is not the same...that is true.

As no two experiences are the same...even in sex

but for some it is enough or even better....in any case inferences can be deduced.

 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Genetic memory

 

How detailed is it?

Again it depends on your expertise and available technology

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That maybe true...

We are forced to accept the truth we know now and act from there......not the truth we may know in the future from which we cannot act

 

True.
We just need to make sure that what we THINK is true is ACTUALLY true, especially before acting on it.

No

You can only be sure of what you now know....not what you may know in the future

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Just because a White man in a lab coat and glasses CLAIMS that it's true and wrote it in a book, doesn't make it so.

True

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Black people will serve well to stop arguing with EACHOTHER over information we got from White folks.
....and start getting it directly, ourselves.

Truth is truth no matter who or where it comes from

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

They came to their own conclusion reluctantly....that they were descended from Africans.

 

How?

Thru Genetic science

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do THEY have a time machine over in China to verify this?

I do not know if they do or not....

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do Chinese themselves accept the Theory of Evolution or the Out of Africa Theory?

Yes

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

There are many Realities and many levels to each Reality

There is more to Reality than we both think or will ever know

 

Facts.

cool

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

There is Your Reality and Shared Reality.....Shared Reality is agreed upon.

 

Agreed.

However I would tweak it a little by saying that Shared Reality is more PARTICIPATED IN than agreed upon.
People are in it together whether some "agree" with it or not...lol.

We splitting hairs here...

One must first agree....then participate

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Not entirely true....its the same culture and geography

 

Not for Racism.
Racism spans the globe AND spans cultures.

There is racism among the Indians of India.
There is racism among the Spaniards of Spain.
There is racism among the Arabs of Libya.

Yes....we still live in a North American culture..

and there is no racism in most of so called subsaharan Africa like unto Europe.

 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It does need to be qualified....for its existence is dependent on society and its institutions

 

Once something Exists, it ALWAYS Exists....even if only in the past.

It is limited to Time and Place.....Change a Universal Constant

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

There is a difference between physical reality and social reality....

 

But it's still Reality.

Race is Reality.....regardless of which CATEGORY of Reality you want to drop it in.

Race is not a biological or genetic reality.

Race is a social reality

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You could fight?

 

Still in the game.
Sometimes winning....sometimes losing...but still playing.

When you fight....you not in the game - you are in resistance.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

flee?

 

Still playing the game.
Just playing hide-n-go-seek....lol.

 

"Peek a boo....I still see you
...nigger"

As long as you are in the state of fleeing....then you are not in the game - 

 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

play the game but by your own rules? 

 

You can try.

Many have successfully done so....

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

ust not cooperate?

Still in the game.
You'll just be penalized.

 

 

"Stop resisting!

Comply or die!"

 

Non violent resistance....does change the game

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Being OUT of the game means you're no longer subject to the RULES of the game.
If you're still subject to the RULES of the game (restricted actions and being punished) then you're definitely still IN the game.
You're just a bad or uncooperative player.

Good.....you did not submit to the rules of the game - you are now a threat to the game

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Ask the Haitians and the thousands of Maroons settlements that existed.....Palenques and Quilombos
 

True.
The Haitians of the past escaped the game.
The Haitians of today are participants.
Evidence of it is how they're constantly being dealt a bad hand by the dealer.

They are a threat, in resistance and remain independent.....they remain an inspiration.

 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You not in the game....they trying to get you to play

 

You can be in the game without playing....just riding the bench, lol.

They want to be in the game....prep trained selected willing able and ready.

[Chevdove]

 

 

On 2/7/2026 at 6:35 PM, frankster said:

Neanderthal  are I think the are descendants of Homo Erectus....Homo Erectus is out of Africa....

 

Neanderthals are a distinct species from Africans and do not have nappy hair. Homo Erectus do NOT have nappy hair; they are Primitive and roamed the earth.

 

 

On 2/7/2026 at 6:35 PM, frankster said:

Human beings that share the same contemporaneous time period will and do intermix.

 

Yes. I agree. 

 

 

 

On 2/7/2026 at 6:35 PM, frankster said:

Tell me why the Serpent is a human?

 

The 'Serpent' or 'Dragon' as some of the prophets referred to him, was present in 'the Original Sin' and His seed obviously was fertilized. No humans to date gave birth with any other animal but another human. So obviously, Eve gave birth to a seed; Satan's seed. Therefore, he had to have been 'a human'. 

 

 

On 2/7/2026 at 6:35 PM, frankster said:

The whole ideology of Races was invent and propagated by racist and racism..

So far all arguments to support its existence or reality scientifically biological or genetically has been disproven

I do not question its Authenticity as a Social Convention or Construct.....As it effects are very real in societies were it is accepted and enforced

 

Agreed!

 

On 2/7/2026 at 6:35 PM, frankster said:

Explain....as I see thy head and his heel

 

Most Bible scholars define 'thy head' as the Roman empire leaders; Emperors and their seat of power. 

Most Bible scholars define 'his heel' as meaning that the government of Jesus' adversaries will only be able to persecute him and his followers. 

My own studies lead me to recognize the geographical phenomenon of the shape of Italy and find it shocking too, to know a little about how the prophets like Daniel wrote about 'the south' and some wrote about how 'the bay and grisled horses' would go to the south as well as to and fro throughout the earth. I find it extremely interesting how history shows how the south world was subdued by the Romans and even Southern Italy, historically was known to have ethnic soldiers used specifically in their military ranks to fight against the people in Jerusalem, etc. 

So, the Great Adversary would persecute the believers of Jesus, however, Jesus would completely BRUISE or effectively crush his HEAD, meaning his government headquarters one day to the effect too, that it will never be able to form again in this world; so says the prophet Daniel. 

 

 

[frankster]

5 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Neanderthals are a distinct species from Africans and do not have nappy hair. Homo Erectus do NOT have nappy hair; they are Primitive and roamed the earth.

Homo Erectus is African being that Its Origin is on the Continent....

Homo Erectus is the Immediate Ancestor of Neanderthal.....

Are You saying that Africans Only have Nappy hair?

It is the same gene that is responsible for straight or wavy or nappy hair

 

5 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Yes. I agree. 

cool

 

5 hours ago, Chevdove said:

The 'Serpent' or 'Dragon' as some of the prophets referred to him, was present in 'the Original Sin' and His seed obviously was fertilized. No humans to date gave birth with any other animal but another human. So obviously, Eve gave birth to a seed; Satan's seed. Therefore, he had to have been 'a human'. 

Does this Offspring of Eve and the Serpent have a Name?

 

5 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Agreed!

cool

 

5 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Most Bible scholars define 'thy head' as the Roman empire leaders; Emperors and their seat of power. 

Most Bible scholars define 'his heel' as meaning that the government of Jesus' adversaries will only be able to persecute him and his followers. 

My own studies lead me to recognize the geographical phenomenon of the shape of Italy and find it shocking too, to know a little about how the prophets like Daniel wrote about 'the south' and some wrote about how 'the bay and grisled horses' would go to the south as well as to and fro throughout the earth. I find it extremely interesting how history shows how the south world was subdued by the Romans and even Southern Italy, historically was known to have ethnic soldiers used specifically in their military ranks to fight against the people in Jerusalem, etc. 

So, the Great Adversary would persecute the believers of Jesus, however, Jesus would completely BRUISE or effectively crush his HEAD, meaning his government headquarters one day to the effect too, that it will never be able to form again in this world; so says the prophet Daniel. 

THis reads like some form of Dispensationalism....I do not think it is wrong or bad just it seems to me it has no rules direction or clear lines of demarcation.

It can be too easily used prejudicially  to support  any or anyones personal agenda or political opinions.....like reading tea leaves or Scrying.

While I think the bible is about Eternal Spiritual Truths....Not about Geo-politics but about you the individual

[Chevdove]

5 hours ago, frankster said:

Homo Erectus is African being that Its Origin is on the Continent....

 

But the Homo Erectus existed long before Africa became a distinct continent.

The word 'Africa' only defines one part of this planet, however, the earth did not split when these primitive species existed.

 

5 hours ago, frankster said:

Does this Offspring of Eve and the Serpent have a Name?

 

The Bible initially refers to this offspring simply as 'Satan's seed'.

However, after Satan's seed was fertilized, and born, science and genetics proves that it could not have been a male; anatomically straight male.

it would have either been a female or hybrid.

 

5 hours ago, frankster said:

THis reads like some form of Dispensationalism....I do not think it is wrong or bad just it seems to me it has no rules direction or clear lines of demarcation.

It can be too easily used prejudicially  to support  any or anyones personal agenda or political opinions.....like reading tea leaves or Scrying.

 

I agree. It is just my understanding on it. 

5 hours ago, frankster said:

While I think the bible is about Eternal Spiritual Truths....Not about Geo-politics but about you the individual

 

The Bible definitely addresses governments though.

It addresses ancient Egypt, the Assyrian empire, the Greek empire, the Roman empire, etc.

It addresses kingdoms and nations, etc. 

 

 

[frankster]

5 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

But the Homo Erectus existed long before Africa became a distinct continent.

The word 'Africa' only defines one part of this planet, however, the earth did not split when these primitive species existed.

The Continents Drifted apart about 200 million yrs ago......Homo Erectus existed 2 million yrs ago - Africa was already a distinct Continent by them

 

5 hours ago, Chevdove said:

The Bible initially refers to this offspring simply as 'Satan's seed'.

However, after Satan's seed was fertilized, and born, science and genetics proves that it could not have been a male; anatomically straight male.

it would have either been a female or hybrid.

No Name...only Satan's Seed.

Any one who does evil is Satan's Seed or disobey's God....It is not Genetics - it is Memetic a Moral and or a Pyscho-Social Mind set.

 

5 hours ago, Chevdove said:

I agree. It is just my understanding on it. 

Cool....we are all entitled to our opinions.

But we must also realize when they are not based on genetics facts.....but on religious dogma.

 

5 hours ago, Chevdove said:

The Bible definitely addresses governments though.

It addresses ancient Egypt, the Assyrian empire, the Greek empire, the Roman empire, etc.

It addresses kingdoms and nations, etc. 

Yes it does... mostly as it relates to History - in order to teach a Moral and or Spiritual  lesson.

Basically all evil comes back on to the evil doers.....whilst God's blessings are given to them all regardless of Moral status.

 

5 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

Evidence is an indication of what happened or is happening.....from which inferences can be made

 

True.
But it's not proof.
All evidence is are facts (FACTS...not made up shit...lol) that support an assertion.
But it doesn't necessarily verify or confirm an assertion.
Only PROOF does that.

 

This is why you can get evidence TO support an assertion and more evidence (facts) to OPPOSE an assertion!

An assertion can have CONTRADICTING evidence.

But not contradicting proof!

 

 

So far, we haven't been getting a lot of PROOF to confirm many of these theories.
Just a lot of evidence to support them.

 

 

 

 

You can only be sure of what you now know....not what you may know in the future

 

True words of wisdom.

 

 

 

We splitting hairs here...

One must first agree....then participate

 

No, it's not splitting hairs.
This is a shared Reality and on the surface, we all share it whether we "agreed" to or not.
Now there are SOME who teach that all human beings "agreed" to come here to this Reality while still in the Spiritual Realm before being born. I'm not sure.

 

 

 

Yes....we still live in a North American culture..

and there is no racism in most of so called subsaharan Africa like unto Europe.

 

Not only is there racism in SubSaharan Africa but it's often more vicious and open there than it is in Western Europe.
In much of SubSaharan Africa you not only have to deal with racism, but tribalism and colorism too.

It's ingrained in many of the very governments.

 

 

 

It is limited to Time and Place.....Change a Universal Constant

 

If it Exists in the past..in memory...it still Exists.
Ask someone with PTSD.

 

 

 

 

 

Race is not a biological or genetic reality.

Race is a social reality

Well you can choose....as TI would say:



"Whatever you like..........."
 

Pick a category of Reality to put it in!
If you can't find the right category....MAKE ONE UP.

But regardless....it's still in Reality.

 

 

When you fight....you not in the game - you are in resistance.

 

A person in police custody can fight and resist all they want, but they're still in custody.

A person can be in jail....fighting to get out...but they're still in there until they're out.

 

 

 

As long as you are in the state of fleeing....then you are not in the game '

 

A person is in prison until they're OUT of prison.
Fleeing alone doesn't mean you're free.
SUCCESSFULLY fleeing to the point that you're no longer in confinement means you're free.

 

 

 

 

 

Many have successfully done so....

 

True.
It's not impossible.
Just unlikely.

 

 

 

 

Good.....you did not submit to the rules of the game - you are now a threat to the game

 

Possibly.
But there's a difference between a threat and an annoyance.
A threat can actually cause harm and destroy.
An annoyance simply irritates.

Buzzing around making a lot of noise and making a scene to get some attention, but not really being effective.

 

 

 

 

They are a threat, in resistance and remain independent.....they remain an inspiration.

 

They WERE independent, not anymore.
The West controls Haiti once again.
That's why the U.S. and France can come in and send troops whenever they like.

 

 

 

Truth is truth no matter who or where it comes from

 

While this is true....depending on WHO it comes from....it may not be truth.
It's mere information until it's CONFIRMED to be true.

 

And if a proven repeated liar and deceiver comes to you with information, it should always be questioned and never simply accepted as "truth' based on face value alone no matter how good it may make you feel.

 

White folks will tell you that the first human beings came from Africa.

 

"Well.....
Looks like the first humans were indeed African, after all!
Looks like it was a Black woman"

 

And while you're jumping up and down with joy over them telling you something you want to hear....he follows it up with the first humans came from Africa because that's where the apes started "evolving" into humans.
And show  you a bunch of made up AI generated pictures to drive the point home that niggaz are half money....lol.



 

So he low keys called Africans primitive and closer to apes....and gets many of our people to accept it.

Don't trust information coming from a crooked deceiver.

 

[frankster]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

Evidence is an indication of what happened or is happening.....from which inferences can be made

 

True.
But it's not proof.
All evidence is are facts (FACTS...not made up shit...lol) that support an assertion.
But it doesn't necessarily verify or confirm an assertion.
Only PROOF does that.

Evidence is all pieces of the proof.....

You cannot have proof or prove anything without evidence

With enough evidence it becomes undeniable and indisputable....hence proof

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

This is why you can get evidence TO support an assertion and more evidence (facts) to OPPOSE an assertion!

An assertion can have CONTRADICTING evidence.

But not contradicting proof!

The Evdience does not Contradict.....

The Interpretation of the evidence may contradict....

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

So far, we haven't been getting a lot of PROOF to confirm many of these theories.
Just a lot of evidence to support them.

With enough evidence.....it becomes indisputable - we arrive at proof

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

You can only be sure of what you now know....not what you may know in the future

 

True words of wisdom.

Cool

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

We splitting hairs here...

One must first agree....then participate

 

No, it's not splitting hairs.
This is a shared Reality and on the surface, we all share it whether we "agreed" to or not.
Now there are SOME who teach that all human beings "agreed" to come here to this Reality while still in the Spiritual Realm before being born. I'm not sure.

We all share in this reality....only when we agree.

There are Levels to this our Shared Reality

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yes....we still live in a North American culture..

and there is no racism in most of so called subsaharan Africa like unto Europe.

 

Not only is there racism in SubSaharan Africa but it's often more vicious and open there than it is in Western Europe.
In much of SubSaharan Africa you not only have to deal with racism, but tribalism and colorism too.

It's ingrained in many of the very governments.

Do not conflate tribalism and colorism with racism....they are similar and may even overlap but they are not the same.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

It is limited to Time and Place.....Change a Universal Constant

 

If it Exists in the past..in memory...it still Exists.
Ask someone with PTSD.

Yes....in the Mind

It may no longer be a Physical Reality.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Race is not a biological or genetic reality.

Race is a social reality

Well you can choose....as TI would say:



"Whatever you like..........."
 

Pick a category of Reality to put it in!
If you can't find the right category....MAKE ONE UP.

But regardless....it's still in Reality.

True.....you have a Right to exercise your Free Will or not - thats your choice.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

When you fight....you not in the game - you are in resistance.

 

A person in police custody can fight and resist all they want, but they're still in custody.

A person can be in jail....fighting to get out...but they're still in there until they're out.

You not in custody till you agree and give in or up....if you resisting you free

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

As long as you are in the state of fleeing....then you are not in the game '

 

A person is in prison until they're OUT of prison.
Fleeing alone doesn't mean you're free.
SUCCESSFULLY fleeing to the point that you're no longer in confinement means you're free.

So long as you fleeing and resisting.....you not in agreement so you free

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Many have successfully done so....

 

True.
It's not impossible.
Just unlikely.

Since many have done...it was not unlikely 

Today the vast majority of Africans in American are free of Physical whippings shackles and serfdom....We done started to exercise our Free will to disagree

It was Never meant to be easy.....whips and cages etc are very persuasive and many succumb and agree.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Good.....you did not submit to the rules of the game - you are now a threat to the game

 

Possibly.
But there's a difference between a threat and an annoyance.
A threat can actually cause harm and destroy.
An annoyance simply irritates.

Buzzing around making a lot of noise and making a scene to get some attention, but not really being effective.

Whether you are only an annoyance or more....it can bring the game down - by causing small  incremental changes in how the game is played.

Haiti has change the game....forever - it is for us to keep it moving in the direction Haiti set

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

They are a threat, in resistance and remain independent.....they remain an inspiration.

 

They WERE independent, not anymore.
The West controls Haiti once again.
That's why the U.S. and France can come in and send troops whenever they like.

They are no longer an enslaved colony....thats a change in how they game is played

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Truth is truth no matter who or where it comes from

 

While this is true....depending on WHO it comes from....it may not be truth.
It's mere information until it's CONFIRMED to be true.

True

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

And if a proven repeated liar and deceiver comes to you with information, it should always be questioned and never simply accepted as "truth' based on face value alone no matter how good it may make you feel.

Yes....all information should be vetted

It does not matter how it make me feel....truth is truth.

If you are seeking something to make you feel good.....

Remember Truth often hurts before it free's you

In other words truth is not the place to go seeking for good feelings.....

lies do a much better job of producing good feelings..... as it ensnares.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

White folks will tell you that the first human beings came from Africa.

 

"Well.....
Looks like the first humans were indeed African, after all!
Looks like it was a Black woman"

 

And while you're jumping up and down with joy over them telling you something you want to hear....he follows it up with the first humans came from Africa because that's where the apes started "evolving" into humans.
And show  you a bunch of made up AI generated pictures to drive the point home that niggaz are half money....lol.



 

So he low keys called Africans primitive and closer to apes....and gets many of our people to accept it.

Don't trust information coming from a crooked deceiver.

So what....you would rather live in denial or live a lie????

If Africans come from monkey we all come from monkey...

What we know is that Africans are the first Homo sapien sapien and all modern human are their descendants

Truth is we do not come from Monkeys or Apes....so you laboring under a misconception meant to ridicule so you running and hiding out of ignorance.

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

 

Evidence is all pieces of the proof.....

 

True
Proof can be said to be a type of evidence that confirms.
However proof is also subjective.
If it's not accepted by THAT individual...then it's not proven to THEM.

 

 

You cannot have proof or prove anything without evidence

 

Facts

 

 

 

With enough evidence it becomes undeniable and indisputable....hence proof

 

Correct

 

 

 

 

The Evdience does not Contradict.....
The Interpretation of the evidence may contradict....

 

No, evidence CAN contradict an assertion.

 

Assertion:  The United States has hundreds of millions of people living in it.

 

 

Evidence #1: Look at New York City

This evidence SUPPORTS that assertion because it's teaming with millions of people.

 

Evidence #2: Look at a remote part of Alaska

This evidence CONTRADICTS that assertion because it's barren with almost no people.

 

 

With enough evidence.....it becomes indisputable - we arrive at proof

 

Yes.
Provided that that evidence is ACCEPTED and NOT disputed, lol.

 

 

 

 

We all share in this reality....only when we agree.

 

Are you saying that a person who decides NOT to agree to this Reality will no longer share it with us?

 

 

 

 

 

Do not conflate tribalism and colorism with racism....they are similar and may even overlap but they are not the same.

 

No, I know what you're saying....and I'm not conflating them.
I'm saying that there is more straight up RACISM among the people of some parts of SubSaharan Africa that there is in Western Europe!

South Africa is a prime example.
Sudan and the conflict between the Arabs and the mixed Arabized population and the Black population is another.
Somalia and Ethiopia and the racial hostility there are more examples.

 

You don't see that type of violence and open ridicule and hatred between people of different RACES in Western Europe.
Maybe angry words or job discrimination, but not on the level you find there.

 

 

 

 

Yes....in the Mind

It may no longer be a Physical Reality.

 

Reality is Reality, physical or not.

 

That's why you have people who sue eachother over "intellectual" properties.


 

 

 

True.....you have a Right to exercise your Free Will or not - thats your choice.

 

Free will is one thing.
The freedom to EXERCISE it...is another.

 

 

 

 

You not in custody till you agree and give in or up....if you resisting you free

 

Not all resistance is free.
There are people in custody who still resist.

Free means unrestricted...no limits.
If you're bound by limits or any other restriction from outside forces....you're NOT free.

 

 

 

 

So long as you fleeing and resisting.....you not in agreement so you free

 

We simply disagree.
That statement is too outrageous to even counter...lol.

 

 

 

 

Since many have done...it was not unlikely 

Today the vast majority of Africans in American are free of Physical whippings shackles and serfdom....We done started to exercise our Free will to disagree

 

They may be free from shackles but they are still bound by the LAWS and RULE of the U.S. government, the STATE government in which they live, the CITY government in which they live as well as the rules and policies of their jobs and places of employment.

Free means unrestricted.

They are NOT free.
They are restricted.

 

 

 

 

 

Whether you are only an annoyance or more....it can bring the game down - by causing small  incremental changes in how the game is played.

 

Well when the game DOES come down and end....then call me up and let me know.
Lol...until then............

 

 

 

Haiti has change the game....forever - it is for us to keep it moving in the direction Haiti set

 

Haiti has reversed course.

 

 

 

 

They are no longer an enslaved colony....thats a change in how they game is played

 

They are oppressed and have been made subject to the authority of the French and United States governments as well as various other foreign interests who have set up shop in the nation to exploit their resources.

 

 

 

 

So what....you would rather live in denial or live a lie????

 

No.
However we don't know it's a lie that we did NOT come from apes, monkeys, or a related "hominid".
That's THEORY...not TRUTH.
No human being on the planet today knows UNLESS they were Divinely taken back and shown the true origins of humans.

 

 

 

 

If Africans come from monkey we all come from monkey...

 

That's not necessarily true either.
-We don't know what Africans came from monkeys, that's a THEORY.
-We don't know that all humans came from Africans, that's a THEORY.

 

 

 

 

 

What we know is that Africans are the first Homo sapien sapien and all modern human are their descendants

 

No sir....we DO NOT "know" that.
If YOU know that....how do you "know" that?
Where you taken back in a time machine or by some other method to CONFIRM this for yourself?

And even if you were and YOU know it's true....the next step is to be able to provide enough PROOF to convince others.

 

 

 

 

 

Truth is we do not come from Monkeys or Apes....so you laboring under a misconception meant to ridicule so you running and hiding out of ignorance.

 

I don't believe we did.
However if you accept the modern "out of Africa" theory promoted by Western scientists....that's what you're promoting.

 

The ONLY people I've heard who made the claim we all come out of Africa are:
-Modern White scientists and archeologists
-And all other people AFTER them who support their version of history and archeology

 

Certainly you can't find in any ancient books or cultures the claim that "all humans" came from Africa.
You can't even find that among the ancient Kemetic writings or other African writings.
.....that humanity started in Africa.

If you can, show me.
 

There is only ONE source for that claim...and all other peoples who believe and promote it get it from that source: White scientists.
Everybody else who believes it quotes THEM.

[Chevdove]

On 2/10/2026 at 11:04 AM, frankster said:

The Continents Drifted apart about 200 million yrs ago......Homo Erectus existed 2 million yrs ago - Africa was already a distinct Continent by them

 

That absolutely does NOT match ancient script with regards to Egypt and the very first script of the civilization of Egypt. WOW.

The Homo Erectus were completely gone by this time!

 

[frankster]

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

 

Evidence is all pieces of the proof.....

 

True
Proof can be said to be a type of evidence that confirms.
However proof is also subjective.
If it's not accepted by THAT individual...then it's not proven to THEM.

Then it is a problem of them not accepting or being convinced..

The Evidence is still true

 

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

You cannot have proof or prove anything without evidence

 

Facts

cool

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

With enough evidence it becomes undeniable and indisputable....hence proof

 

Correct

cool

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

The Evdience does not Contradict.....
The Interpretation of the evidence may contradict....

 

No, evidence CAN contradict an assertion.

 

Assertion:  The United States has hundreds of millions of people living in it.

 

 

Evidence #1: Look at New York City

This evidence SUPPORTS that assertion because it's teaming with millions of people.

 

Evidence #2: Look at a remote part of Alaska

This evidence CONTRADICTS that assertion because it's barren with almost no people.

Again the Evidence cannot contradict only the Interpretation can.

Assertions are primarily statements of Beliefs or opinions...in short assertions are basically Presumptive Assumption based insufficient Evidence

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

With enough evidence.....it becomes indisputable - we arrive at proof

 

Yes.
Provided that that evidence is ACCEPTED and NOT disputed, lol.

Proof is a statement or proposition that is accepted or regarded as Established.

Proof is a continuous Process and always open to dispute

To dispute an Established Truth one must design an experiment that can disprove and prove your disputation....otherwise it remain an Assertion

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

We all share in this reality....only when we agree.

 

Are you saying that a person who decides NOT to agree to this Reality will no longer share it with us?

The simply answer is......Yes...

This reality is based on Agreement.....

 

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Do not conflate tribalism and colorism with racism....they are similar and may even overlap but they are not the same.

 

No, I know what you're saying....and I'm not conflating them.
I'm saying that there is more straight up RACISM among the people of some parts of SubSaharan Africa that there is in Western Europe!

Racism is associated/based on Skin Color Phenotype Culture and Place of Origin

Tribalism is based on Ethnicity Heritage and Culture.

Colorism is based on Complexion skin Tone or Hue within racial and ethnic categories.

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

South Africa is a prime example.

Colorism

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Sudan and the conflict between the Arabs and the mixed Arabized population and the Black population is another.

Tribalism/Ethnic wars/cleansing

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Somalia and Ethiopia and the racial hostility there are more examples.

Tribalism/Ethnic wars/cleansing

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

You don't see that type of violence and open ridicule and hatred between people of different RACES in Western Europe.

The Tribal/Ethnic Wars of the former Yugoslavia throughout the 1990's.

The Current Russo-Ukrainian war could be framed as a Tribal/Ethnic war....Ethnic Russians Against Ethnic Ukrainians - 

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Maybe angry words or job discrimination, but not on the level you find there.

I consider then on the same level as the examples I gave above....Tribal

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Yes....in the Mind

It may no longer be a Physical Reality.

 

Reality is Reality, physical or not.

Yes....but not the same

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

That's why you have people who sue eachother over "intellectual" properties.

The "intellectual" part is mental 

Do not leave out the "properties"....that part is physical.

 

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

True.....you have a Right to exercise your Free Will or not - thats your choice.

 

Free will is one thing.
The freedom to EXERCISE it...is another.

That's depends on your Skills and Creativity

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

You not in custody till you agree and give in or up....if you resisting you free

 

Not all resistance is free.

Do tell??

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

There are people in custody who still resist.

Yes

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Free means unrestricted...no limits.
If you're bound by limits or any other restriction from outside forces....you're NOT free

Who isn't limited or restricted in some form shaped or way...

To be Free and at Liberty is the ability to be continually realizing more of your will

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

So long as you fleeing and resisting.....you not in agreement so you free

 

We simply disagree.
That statement is too outrageous to even counter...lol.

Hence Free Will is a God Given/Natural Right all living things are endowed with.

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Since many have done...it was not unlikely 

Today the vast majority of Africans in American are free of Physical whippings shackles and serfdom....We done started to exercise our Free will to disagree

 

They may be free from shackles but they are still bound by the LAWS and RULE of the U.S. government, the STATE government in which they live, the CITY government in which they live as well as the rules and policies of their jobs and places of employment.

Yes....

Laws and Rules increase Potential

Laws and Rules are there to protected and promote civilization and its many benefits for all....thereby ensuring more freedom for all

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Free means unrestricted.

They are NOT free.
They are restricted.

Only Nature is Truly Free and Unrestricted...

We Live within Nature...

We all having Limitations in the sense that we are Entities or Individuals.

To be an Entity one must be Separated and to be an Individual one must be  Encapsulated....we are both.

Separation is Limiting and Encapsulation is Restrictive.

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Whether you are only an annoyance or more....it can bring the game down - by causing small  incremental changes in how the game is played.

 

Well when the game DOES come down and end....then call me up and let me know.
Lol...until then............

Will do...

Its happening everyday....little by little

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Haiti has change the game....forever - it is for us to keep it moving in the direction Haiti set

 

Haiti has reversed course.

The Struggle Continues.....Aluta Continua Vitoria e certa

Bob and weave retreat and advance.

 

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

They are no longer an enslaved colony....thats a change in how they game is played

They are oppressed and have been made subject to the authority of the French and United States governments as well as various other foreign interests who have set up shop in the nation to exploit their resources.

Yes

They have change the game nevertheless.....and no amount of discrediting their success will take away from what they have accomplished

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

So what....you would rather live in denial or live a lie????

 

No.
However we don't know it's a lie that we did NOT come from apes, monkeys, or a related "hominid".
That's THEORY...not TRUTH.
No human being on the planet today knows UNLESS they were Divinely taken back and shown the true origins of humans.

The science has so far has proven it to be a lie....The Theory that we are descended from Monkeys is false.

 

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

If Africans come from monkey we all come from monkey...

 

That's not necessarily true either.

Not according to Science

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

-We don't know what Africans came from monkeys, that's a THEORY.

That is false according to current Science.

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

-We don't know that all humans came from Africans, that's a THEORY.

According current science from many different fields of study and schools of thought.....all Homo sapiens Come from Africa and are descendants of Africans.

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

What we know is that Africans are the first Homo sapien sapien and all modern human are their descendants

 

No sir....we DO NOT "know" that.
If YOU know that....how do you "know" that?

The "We" represents what the vast majority of current scientific thought has accepted as true knowledge

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Where you taken back in a time machine or by some other method to CONFIRM this for yourself?

I do not have to be there to surmise accurately what has transpired.

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

And even if you were and YOU know it's true....the next step is to be able to provide enough PROOF to convince others.

The preponderance of Evidence say it is so

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Truth is we do not come from Monkeys or Apes....so you laboring under a misconception meant to ridicule so you running and hiding out of ignorance.

 

I don't believe we did.
However if you accept the modern "out of Africa" theory promoted by Western scientists....that's what you're promoting.

Only if you are ignorant of the actual scientific information.

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

The ONLY people I've heard who made the claim we all come out of Africa are:
-Modern White scientists and archeologists
-And all other people AFTER them who support their version of history and archeology

African first said we Africans are the first people on Earth

 

On 2/14/2026 at 7:50 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Certainly you can't find in any ancient books or cultures the claim that "all humans" came from Africa.
You can't even find that among the ancient Kemetic writings or other African writings.
.....that humanity started in Africa.

If you can, show me.
 

There is only ONE source for that claim...and all other peoples who believe and promote it get it from that source: White scientists.
Everybody else who believes it quotes THEM.

Please....your ignorance of Africa is astounding 

So do some research on your own it is often more convince when you find it your self.....the ego tends to not feel defensive

We live in the West so our prejudice and disdain for African Science call their creation story myths

So to find ant people story of the first peoples look up......Origin Story or Creation myth

[Chevdove]

On 2/10/2026 at 11:04 AM, frankster said:

No Name...only Satan's Seed.

Any one who does evil is Satan's Seed or disobey's God....It is not Genetics - it is Memetic a Moral and or a Pyscho-Social Mind set.

 

No matter what you believe, that is what the Bible reveals. He was never given a name.

And yes, if a demon is evil enough to have sex with a little child, innocence, that is pure evil. Satan is real. 

The Bible says if someone disobeys him, they are forgiven. But the Sin of Blasphemy is the only unforgivable sin. 

 

 

On 2/10/2026 at 11:04 AM, frankster said:

Cool....we are all entitled to our opinions.

But we must also realize when they are not based on genetics facts.....but on religious dogma.

 

I base everything on genetics. If I say it's my opinion, I will not hesitate to do so.

On 2/10/2026 at 11:04 AM, frankster said:

Yes it does... mostly as it relates to History - in order to teach a Moral and or Spiritual  lesson.

Basically all evil comes back on to the evil doers.....whilst God's blessings are given to them all regardless of Moral status.

 

Yes. I agree.

[frankster]

3 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

 

That absolutely does NOT match ancient script with regards to Egypt and the very first script of the civilization of Egypt. WOW.

The Homo Erectus were completely gone by this time!

I never stated anything to the fact as to whether or not homo erectus was around at the time of the Ancient Egyptian Civilization

Provide relevance and some supporting documentations of your assertion

[Chevdove]

8 minutes ago, frankster said:

I never stated anything to the fact as to whether or not homo erectus was around at the time of the Ancient Egyptian Civilization

Provide relevance and some supporting documentations of your assertion

 

Okay, I gotta run, but will come back. I am not sure I understand your question, but I'll be back asap.

The date of the first Ancient Egyptian civilization is based on script and so, the earth had split by that time and this is evident in their written records.

Do you understand why I said that the homo erectus could not possibly be living then, at this time period for this reason?

 

 

[Pioneer1]

 
frankster

 

 

 

Then it is a problem of them not accepting or being convinced..

 

Sometimes the problem of them not being convinced is either the so-called "evidence" is KNOWN to be false or the evidence is coming from one with a PATTERN or HISTORY of providing false information so the evidence they provide is questioned.

 

 

 

The Evidence is still true

 

Yes....evidence by it's very nature...is true.
But we must first sure it IS true before we call it actual "evidence".

 

 

 

Again the Evidence cannot contradict only the Interpretation can.

 

Evidence can contradict an assertion.




 

Assertions are primarily statements of Beliefs or opinions...in short assertions are basically Presumptive Assumption based insufficient Evid
 

Assertions are affirmative statements with OR without evidence.

 

If I say: It's raining outside.
That's an assertion, whether I provided evidence or not.

 

 

 

 

Proof is a statement or proposition that is accepted or regarded as Established.

 

Proof is ACCEPTED confirmation

 

 

 

 

Proof is a continuous Process and always open to dispute

 

Not reasonably.
If it's subject to REASONABLE dispute..it wasn't proof to begin with.

I say reasonable because any fool can sit up and cover his ears and say "la la la la" and deny the obvious all day long.

 

 

That's not reasonable...lol.

 

 

 

 

To dispute an Established Truth one must design an experiment that can disprove and prove your disputation....otherwise it remain an Assertion

 

An established truth is called  FACT

It has been proven already.
No need to go over trying to "prove" it again.

 

Now you have ACTUAL FACTS that may change over time and need to be updated.
Like the population of a given city, or the size of a land mass before and after Earth changes.

 

 

 

The simply answer is......Yes...
This reality is based on Agreement.....

 

Interesting........

So how do you explain the thousands of people with severe mental problems who are out of touch with THIS Reality and think they are in another Reality?

 

They don't agree with it, yet they are obviously still here physically in this Reality.
How do you explain them being here whilst not in agreement?

 

 

 

 

 

Racism is associated/based on Skin Color Phenotype Culture and Place of Origin

 

True.
Exactly what goes on in some parts of SubSaharan Africa.

 

 

 

Colorism

 

And racism.
From the White Afrikaners, East Indians, and Arabs...toward the Black and Coloured populations.

 

 

 

 

Tribalism/Ethnic wars/cleansing

 

And racism.
Most Arab Sudanese see themselves as a different RACE from the jet Black Sudanese tribes of the south.

 

 

 

 

Tribalism/Ethnic wars/cleansing

 

And racism.
Ethnic Somalis and Ethiopians see themselves as a different race than the Bantu minorities

 

 

 

 

 

The Tribal/Ethnic Wars of the former Yugoslavia throughout the 1990's.

The Current Russo-Ukrainian war could be framed as a Tribal/Ethnic war....Ethnic Russians Against Ethnic Ukrainians - 

 

I KNEW you'd try to bring this up....lol....which is why I said WESTERN Europe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes....but not the same

 

It being "the same" or not was never the argument.
My point was it was and is indeed REALITY

 

 

 

 

The "intellectual" part is mental 
Do not leave out the "properties"....that part is physical.

 

Once you attach "intellectual" to it....that property goes from being physical to non-physical Reality

 

 

 

 

Do tell??

 

I'd rather show:

 

 

 

The inmates resisted.
Are they free?



 

 

Who isn't limited or restricted in some form shaped or way...

 

......so who is really free?

 

 

 

 

To be Free and at Liberty is the ability to be continually realizing more of your will

 

Liberty is one thing, freedom is another
Two different words with two different meanings.



 

Laws and Rules are there to protected and promote civilization and its many benefits for all....thereby ensuring more freedom for all

 

You can't get "more" of something that was already at it's zenith in concept.

Death
Free
Absent

These are absolute concepts that can't go further than they already are.

A person who is free can't get any "freer".
A person who is dead can't get any "deader"

 

 

 

 

Only Nature is Truly Free and Unrestricted...

We Live within Nature...

We all having Limitations in the sense that we are Entities or Individuals.

Then let us refrain from talking about "freedom" and use another more appropriate term.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Will do...

Its happening everyday....little by little

 

Thanks for the updates....lol.
Again, let me know....not just when it's happening but when it actually HAPPENS or has HAPPENED.

 

 

 

 

The science has so far has proven it to be a lie....The Theory that we are descended from Monkeys is false.
 

I agree.

 

 

 

That is false according to current Science.

 

WHAT is false?

 

 

 

According current science from many different fields of study and schools of thought.....all Homo sapiens Come from Africa and are descendants of Africans.

 

I won't argue with you there.

According to a LOT of people and sources, all homo sapiens come from Africa.

But according to many others.....they don't.

 

Elijah Muhammad taught that humans didn't COME from Africa but WENT own into Africa.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The "We" represents what the vast majority of current scientific thought has accepted as true knowledge

 

People can "accept" what they wish.
Truth isn't based on consensus

 

Several centuries earlier the world was convinced that the Biblical story of Adam and Eve was "the truth".

So much for what the vast majority would like to believe...lol.

 

 

 

The preponderance of Evidence say it is so

 

The preponderance of TOTAL evidence; or the preponderance of PRESENTED evidence?

What about evidence that has been ignored or suppressed?
 

 

 

 

 

African first said we Africans are the first people on Earth

 
Show me this in ancient writings.
Not modern....from Africans who went to Western academic institutions.

 

 

 

 

 

Please....your ignorance of Africa is astounding 

 

Your gullibility and reasoning logic isn't so promising either.
The fact that you can be so CONVINCED of something you haven't personally witnessed is amazing.

 

 

 

 

So do some research on your own it is often more convince when you find it your self.....the ego tends to not feel defensive

 

What "research" can I do to verify what happened millions if not billions of years ago?
Are there video tapes or satellite images that I can review that recorded this event?

[frankster]

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 
frankster

Then it is a problem of them not accepting or being convinced..

 

Sometimes the problem of them not being convinced is either the so-called "evidence" is KNOWN to be false or the evidence is coming from one with a PATTERN or HISTORY of providing false information so the evidence they provide is questioned.

All information is secured and placed in custody once vetted....any evidence tampered with is no longer considered evidence.

Hence the reasoning behind the continuation of proving...

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

 

The Evidence is still true

 

Yes....evidence by it's very nature...is true.
But we must first sure it IS true before we call it actual "evidence".

That's the Vetting process

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

 

Again the Evidence cannot contradict only the Interpretation can.

 

Evidence can contradict an assertion.

Yes....as assertions are often a form of interpretation

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Assertions are primarily statements of Beliefs or opinions...in short assertions are basically Presumptive Assumption based insufficient Evid
 

Assertions are affirmative statements with OR without evidence.

 

If I say: It's raining outside.
That's an assertion, whether I provided evidence or not.

Exactly...

Evidencing is the securing and recording of that rain.

 

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Proof is a statement or proposition that is accepted or regarded as Established.

 

Proof is ACCEPTED confirmation

Yes

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Proof is a continuous Process and always open to dispute

 

Not reasonably.
If it's subject to REASONABLE dispute..it wasn't proof to begin with.

I say reasonable because any fool can sit up and cover his ears and say "la la la la" and deny the obvious all day long.

 

 

That's not reasonable...lol.

That's not a disputation....thats ignoring

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

To dispute an Established Truth one must design an experiment that can disprove and prove your disputation....otherwise it remain an Assertion

 

An established truth is called  FACT

It has been proven already.
No need to go over trying to "prove" it again.

That is how science operates proven facts are always open to challenge and disputation

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now you have ACTUAL FACTS that may change over time and need to be updated.
Like the population of a given city, or the size of a land mass before and after Earth changes.

Hence the reason why proof is always open to dispute....and is continually and constantly tested and proven over and over

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The simply answer is......Yes...
This reality is based on Agreement.....

 

Interesting........

So how do you explain the thousands of people with severe mental problems who are out of touch with THIS Reality and think they are in another Reality?

They are.....

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

They don't agree with it, yet they are obviously still here physically in this Reality.
How do you explain them being here whilst not in agreement?

They are in this physical reality....because they agree to being here - that contract is still in effect

They have broken the agreement and as a result must deal with the consequences - split personality or schizophrenia

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Racism is associated/based on Skin Color Phenotype Culture and Place of Origin

 

True.
Exactly what goes on in some parts of SubSaharan Africa.

Show me an example of this.

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Colorism

 

And racism.
From the White Afrikaners, East Indians, and Arabs...toward the Black and Coloured populations.

Provide an example

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Tribalism/Ethnic wars/cleansing

 

And racism.
Most Arab Sudanese see themselves as a different RACE from the jet Black Sudanese tribes of the south.

Example

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Tribalism/Ethnic wars/cleansing

 

And racism.
Ethnic Somalis and Ethiopians see themselves as a different race than the Bantu minorities

According to how race is defined in the West....they are all of the same race - hence it is ethnic

It is very difficult to tell them apart.

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Tribal/Ethnic Wars of the former Yugoslavia throughout the 1990's.

The Current Russo-Ukrainian war could be framed as a Tribal/Ethnic war....Ethnic Russians Against Ethnic Ukrainians - 

 

I KNEW you'd try to bring this up....lol....which is why I said WESTERN Europe.

Those are wars of a tribalistic nature in Europe....

Northern Ireland vs Ireland...Western Europe - Ethnic War 

Arabs Jews and Africans experience racial violence in Western Europe continually.

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yes....but not the same

 

It being "the same" or not was never the argument.
My point was it was and is indeed REALITY

That is your point....my point is that it is not the same as physical reality

Two different Realities.

Physical reality is not the same as social reality....though they overlap at times and in spaces

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The "intellectual" part is mental 
Do not leave out the "properties"....that part is physical.

 

Once you attach "intellectual" to it....that property goes from being physical to non-physical Reality

provide example

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do tell??

 

I'd rather show:

 

 

 

The inmates resisted.
Are they free?

The inmate was and may still be free enough to attack a CO....That is an exercise of free will - resistance reprisal and rebellion.

find another example.

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Who isn't limited or restricted in some form shaped or way...

 

......so who is really free?

God/Nature....The Awakened - The Enlightened Cosmic Consciousness

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

To be Free and at Liberty is the ability to be continually realizing more of your will

 

Liberty is one thing, freedom is another
Two different words with two different meanings.

Yes...that is why I used both of them

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Laws and Rules are there to protected and promote civilization and its many benefits for all....thereby ensuring more freedom for all

 

You can't get "more" of something that was already at it's zenith in concept.

Death
Free
Absent

Freeness has no limit

Absent or dead to mean may not mean dead or absent to others.

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

These are absolute concepts that can't go further than they already are.

Do not confuse your limitations for that of others

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A person who is free can't get any "freer".

Free has no limits

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A person who is dead can't get any "deader"

Dead to who or what

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Only Nature is Truly Free and Unrestricted...

We Live within Nature...

We all having Limitations in the sense that we are Entities or Individuals.

Then let us refrain from talking about "freedom" and use another more appropriate term.

Name the term....if it qualifies or fit - I will share my comprehension of it

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Will do...

Its happening everyday....little by little

 

Thanks for the updates....lol.
Again, let me know....not just when it's happening but when it actually HAPPENS or has HAPPENED.

It happens continually

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The science has so far has proven it to be a lie....The Theory that we are descended from Monkeys is false.
 

I agree.

Thank you

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That is false according to current Science.

 

WHAT is false?

The Idea that we descend from monkeys

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

According current science from many different fields of study and schools of thought.....all Homo sapiens Come from Africa and are descendants of Africans.

 

I won't argue with you there.

According to a LOT of people and sources, all homo sapiens come from Africa.

But according to many others.....they don't.

True

The vast majority of Sciences agree and accept the out of Africa theory as true.

 

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Elijah Muhammad taught that humans didn't COME from Africa but WENT own into Africa.

I agree 

His  opinions on that issue is in the minority....and also based on religious dogma - non scientific purely a belief in historical myth and or legend.

 

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The "We" represents what the vast majority of current scientific thought has accepted as true knowledge

 

People can "accept" what they wish.
Truth isn't based on consensus

Agreed Truth is not always or only based on consensus....

This is a overwhelming of Evidence...

This is a preponderance  of scientific thought and the results of scientific experimentations

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Several centuries earlier the world was convinced that the Biblical story of Adam and Eve was "the truth".

This is religious dogma....by decree it was establish as accepted - not by scientific experimentation.

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So much for what the vast majority would like to believe...lol.

The were coerced into believing such as true....

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The preponderance of Evidence say it is so

 

The preponderance of TOTAL evidence; or the preponderance of PRESENTED evidence?

The preponderance of available evidence...

Evidence not available cannot be vetted or tested.

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What about evidence that has been ignored or suppressed?

Hence one of the reasons all truths or proofs are constantly and continually tested.

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

African first said we Africans are the first people on Earth

 
Show me this in ancient writings.
Not modern....from Africans who went to Western academic institutions.

Its available all over the web

check origin story or creation myth

 

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Please....your ignorance of Africa is astounding 

 

Your gullibility and reasoning logic isn't so promising either.
The fact that you can be so CONVINCED of something you haven't personally witnessed is amazing.

I do not have to witness some one burning or burned to death to know that fire can kill.

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So do some research on your own it is often more convince when you find it your self.....the ego tends to not feel defensive

 

What "research" can I do to verify what happened millions if not billions of years ago?
Are there video tapes or satellite images that I can review that recorded this event?

We have already we down a road or line of reasoning similar to this

I will not answer that for you at some point you must think or remember

If you wish not to think and instead wish to remain simply minded then that's on you.

[frankster]

23 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

Okay, I gotta run, but will come back. I am not sure I understand your question, but I'll be back asap.

The date of the first Ancient Egyptian civilization is based on script and so, the earth had split by that time and this is evident in their written records.

Do you understand why I said that the homo erectus could not possibly be living then, at this time period for this reason?

No....I do not.

 

Here is a paraphrase of this line of argument as I remember it...correct me where I am wrong

You said: Neanderthals can not be africans

I said: they are descendants of Homo Erectus who were Africans

You Said: Home Erectus could not be Africans because the earth did not split into continents when they were around

I Said: the earth split into continents 200 millions yrs ago and homo Erectus was around 2 millions yrs ago....so that's long after the earth split into continents.

 

So I am confused as to why you introduce Ancient Egypt????

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

All information is secured and placed in custody once vetted....any evidence tampered with is no longer considered evidence.

 

Maybe evidence confiscated by law enforcement...lol.
But not necessarily the evidence of scientific theories.

 

 

 

Evidencing is the securing and recording of that rain.

 

Before the advent of AI...I would have considered the RECORDING of rain a bit more than mere evidence.
I would have considered it actual PROOF.
But today, I wouldn't be so sure...lol.

 

 

That is how science operates proven facts are always open to challenge and disputation

 

Meanwhile theories....like human evolution....are often protected from all criticism and in some circles it's considered heresy to even question it.

 

 

 

 

They are.....

 

Perhaps.
But physically, they are in THIS Reality

 

 

They are in this physical reality....because they agree to being here - that contract is still in effect

 

Maybe they AGREED...but they don't currently agree.
A mad man who claims to be Jesus or Moses is telling people in THIS Reality that this is who he identifies as.
It's apparent to others IN this Reality that he's not.
But clearly he doesn't agree with them and believes he is.

 

 

Show me an example of this.

 

"Racism is insidious in Sudan, historically and since independence when most senior positions have been filled by people from the north - the Arab and Nubian ethnic groups.

Today if you go into any government department or bank in Khartoum, you will rarely see a black person in an important role.
 

The racism goes back to the founding of Khartoum in 1821 as a marketplace for slaves."
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53147864 

 

 

 

 

 

Provide an example

 

"It was the claims of racism that occurred during the wedding: Indian guests allegedly preferring white staff over black, and insulting black staff at Sun City by asking them to clean themselves, implying that they were dirty.

 

In post-apartheid South Africa we hurt easily where race is concerned. And when that racism is nostalgic of earlier systemic hurts infringed by one group upon another, it's all the worse. 

 

The treatment black workers were said to have been subjected to is reminiscent of the allegations of racism that have long stalked the Indian community, particularly in KwaZulu-Natal.

 

One person let rip at Indian South Africans on Twitter, following the incident with the Guptas. 

 

"Reality Check: You were never part of the struggle & you never worked hard. The British gave you all that you have!" tweeted a scornful Phumlani Mfeka.

 

A sore point has been the treatment of domestic workers, gardeners and other staff working for Indian families and businesses. While white-on-black racism, or its reverse, usually dominates the conversation in South Africa, Indian-on-black prejudice is an issue that has come to the forefront at various times in our democratic history."

 

 

https://www.ru.ac.za/perspective/2013archive/the_guptas_and_racism_among_indian_people.html 

 

 

 

 

 

According to how race is defined in the West....they are all of the same race - hence it is ethnic

 

If you qualify race is ONLY how it's defined in the West...perhaps.
But race is older and bigger than America or the West, and we aren't the only ones who get to define racial categories.

 

 

 

 

 

It is very difficult to tell them apart.

 

It's difficult for YOU to tell them apart because you aren't Somali or Ethiopian.
Somalis and Ethiopians can EASILY tell themselves apart from the Bantu tribes that they oppress and call "Adoon" and "Baria"

 

 

 

 

 

Those are wars of a tribalistic nature in Europe....

Northern Ireland vs Ireland...Western Europe - Ethnic War 

 

Yes, ethnic....not racial.
People who LOOK the same but share different cultures and religions, fighting eachother.

The people I speak of as being of different races generally don't even LOOK the same.

 

 

 

 

Arabs Jews and Africans experience racial violence in Western Europe continually.

 

Yes, but not on the level they experience it in Africa.

 

 

 

 

That is your point....my point is that it is not the same as physical reality

That's your point NOW because you couldn't defend your original one, lol.

 

It's called a "straw man".
Making up an issue to argue that was never in dispute in the first place...lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The inmate was and may still be free enough to attack a CO....That is an exercise of free will - resistance reprisal and rebellion.

 

It's not a matter of being "free enough".
Free is free.
 

He wasn't restrained and that lack of restraint allowed him to attack the guard.
But he STILL wasn't free, just unrestrained.

 

Slaves were able to walk around the plantation and even walk from one plantation to the other.
That didn't mean they were free.

 

 

 

 

 

God  Nature....The Awakened - The Enlightened Cosmic Consciousness

 

I agree

 

 

 

 

Do not confuse your limitations for that of others

 

Can somebody be "freer" than free?
Even MORE dead than dead?
More absent than not there?

 

 

 

Free has no limits

 

Exactly.
So how can you be MORE free than that?

 

 

Dead to who or what

 

Doesn't matter.
If they are dead, they are without life.

Unless you're like Junior in Harlem Nights....lol.

 

" Shit....Junior DEADER than a muthafucka."

 

 

 

 

Name the term....if it qualifies or fit - I will share my comprehension of it

 

Liberty....I think is more fitting.

 

 

 

 

The vast majority of Sciences agree and accept the out of Africa theory as true.

 

Western science, atleast.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a preponderance  of scientific thought and the results of scientific experimentations

 

I'm curious as to what "experiment" they used to prove that human beings started in Africa.

To my knowledge, the only evidence they have of this is archeological findings.

 

 

 

 

This is religious dogma....by decree it was establish as accepted - not by scientific experimentation.

 

Yes, but the same group who put out THAT story....also put out the Theory of Evolution.

The White elite.

 

The same people who claimed that Blacks were cursed and used the Biblical story of Creation to justify it are the SAME people who claimed that Black people are the direct descendants of monkeys and use their so-called "scientific theories" to justify THAT.

We have a PATTERN of the same people putting out racist stories and theories that they later change.

[Mel Hopkins]

On 1/24/2026 at 1:38 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Miss "AfroAmerica" can feature light skinned contestants but not Miss Black America, in my opinion ofcourse.

What if its true according to a birth certificate, I've recently located,  that my great great grandmother born in 1880 was 'white' by way of her Britsh mother and her father was indigenous (Blackfoot) but I'm Black Black Blackity-Blackity-Black-Black American not Afro-American?  I'm not light-skinned which just shows that none of those labels matter.  It is just how you identify.  I identify as Black as does my mom and daughters. 

[Pioneer1]

Mel

 

 

 

What if its true according to a birth certificate, I've recently located,  that my great great grandmother born in 1880 was 'white' by way of her Britsh mother and her father was indigenous (Blackfoot) but I'm Black Black Blackity-Blackity-Black-Black American not Afro-American?

 

Unless you're using some pretty bright lighting for the pictures you've posted on here.....lol...you don't fit my idea of someone who would be described as "Blackity Black Black"....lol

 

 

 

 

 

You look "paper bag" brown skinned to me.

 

But to answer your question, yes....you are an AfroAmerican because MOST of your ancestors are of African descent from chattel slavery.
Nearly all AfroAmericans have SOME White and Native American ancestry to various degrees.

 

 

 

 

  I'm not light-skinned which just shows that none of those labels matter.  It is just how you identify.  I identify as Black as does my mom and daughters. 

 

Oh no sis, it does indeed matter......

Why?

Because we don't want people attempting to STEAL our identity or any Reparations we'll get coming our way in the future.

Of all of the ethnic groups in the United States, there are several reasons WE should be the most vigilant in gate keeping out identity and culture:

1. Power is EXCLUSIVE...not inclusive.
There's a reasons why certain clubs and societies make it hard for people go join and are very selective of who they let in.
Because they consider themselves and their group important and valuable and demand high standards to be a part of them.
 

2. When Reparations are finally agreed upon and doled out you'll have a lot of people CLAIMING to be AfroAmerican just to get a check.
 

 
"Celebrate good times....come ON, bro!"


If we start letting anybody who CHOOSES to identify as Black come bouncing into the community....kind of like how a man can simply "identify" as a woman in some places today....then you'll have blonde haired blue eyed White folks IDENTIFYING as Black just to collect money that should be going to us!
 

3. If everybody has the right to identity as Black if they wish, it will be nearly impossible to prove cases of racial discrimination.
All a White person accused of racism would have to do is simply say they're Black and therefore CAN'T be racist -and the case will be dismissed or dropped.
 

We must have standards that WE set for ourselves as to who belongs to our group and who doesn't qualify.
All self respecting people have this.
  

[Chevdove]

On 2/16/2026 at 2:53 PM, frankster said:

I said: they are descendants of Homo Erectus who were Africans

You Said: Home Erectus could not be Africans because the earth did not split into continents when they were around

 

Homo Erectus are also Primitive and are absolutely straight haired. Africans are modern mankind and have nappy hair in origin and other traits that are distinct 

 

On 2/16/2026 at 2:53 PM, frankster said:

I Said: the earth split into continents 200 millions yrs ago and homo Erectus was around 2 millions yrs ago....so that's long after the earth split into continents.

 

So I am confused as to why you introduce Ancient Egypt????

 

The earth did NOT split 200 million years ago.

The earth did NOT even split 2 million years ago. 

I introduced Ancient Egypt because this is the part of the earth where the first civilization formed and their records prove that the 

earth did not split 2 million years ago and that by the time of their record keeping, the Homo Erectus had long been extinct.

Prior to the ancient Egyptians, the Primitive mankind did not form a civilization of record.

Their records prove that the Neanderthals were not from Africa but these 'beings' roamed the earth and existed in many other parts of this planet.

There are NO records that prove exactly where the Primitive mankind 'began' to live on this earth and the continent of Africa did not form until the earth split. 

Prior to the earth splitting, geography was not defined by 'continental' divisions. 

Anyway, I will try and get some references asap.

 

[Chevdove]

On 2/16/2026 at 2:53 PM, frankster said:

Here is a paraphrase of this line of argument as I remember it...correct me where I am wrong

You said: Neanderthals can not be africans

 

 

Neanderthals cannot be Africans because they are Primitive mankind. Africans are modern mankind and have nappy hair and other traits that are completely different from Primitive human beings. 

Neanderthals cannot be Africans for more reasons than one. Their Chromosomes behave distinct from modern mankind.

 

On 2/16/2026 at 2:53 PM, frankster said:

I said: they are descendants of Homo Erectus who were Africans

You Said: Home Erectus could not be Africans because the earth did not split into continents when they were around

 

Homo Erectus are Primitive and were extinct thousands of years before modern mankind were Created.

 

[frankster]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

All information is secured and placed in custody once vetted....any evidence tampered with is no longer considered evidence.

 

Maybe evidence confiscated by law enforcement...lol.
But not necessarily the evidence of scientific theories.

They are...

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Evidencing is the securing and recording of that rain.

 

Before the advent of AI...I would have considered the RECORDING of rain a bit more than mere evidence.
I would have considered it actual PROOF.
But today, I wouldn't be so sure...lol.

Yes....AI can lead many astray

Professionals and scientist are not so easily led astray by fakes fraudsand counterfeit.

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

That is how science operates proven facts are always open to challenge and disputation

 

Meanwhile theories....like human evolution....are often protected from all criticism and in some circles it's considered heresy to even question it.

The facts pertaining to the theory of evolution are all open to questions and disputations..

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

They are.....

 

Perhaps.
But physically, they are in THIS Reality

The are also levels to realities

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

They are in this physical reality....because they agree to being here - that contract is still in effect

 

Maybe they AGREED...but they don't currently agree.

It is a contract.....if a signatory decides to unilaterally break a contractual agreement then they be consequences.

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

A mad man who claims to be Jesus or Moses is telling people in THIS Reality that this is who he identifies as.
It's apparent to others IN this Reality that he's not.
But clearly he doesn't agree with them and believes he is.

Sounds like a Psychosis....Delusionary

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Show me an example of this.

 

"Racism is insidious in Sudan, historically and since independence when most senior positions have been filled by people from the north - the Arab and Nubian ethnic groups.

Today if you go into any government department or bank in Khartoum, you will rarely see a black person in an important role.
 

The racism goes back to the founding of Khartoum in 1821 as a marketplace for slaves."
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53147864 

 

Sudan has always been dominated by a light-skinned, Arabic-speaking elite, while black Africans in the south and west of the country have faced discrimination and marginalisation.

A few weeks ago, an Islamist columnist at Al-Intibaha, a daily newspaper supportive of ex-President Omar al-Bashir, who does not approve of women playing football, referred to the female football coach of the Gunners, a well-known youth team for girls, as a slave.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53147864

 

As I said colorism this the White men light skinned men they were referring to.....does he look like he would be thought of as a white man US.

 

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Provide an example

 

"It was the claims of racism that occurred during the wedding: Indian guests allegedly preferring white staff over black, and insulting black staff at Sun City by asking them to clean themselves, implying that they were dirty.

 

In post-apartheid South Africa we hurt easily where race is concerned. And when that racism is nostalgic of earlier systemic hurts infringed by one group upon another, it's all the worse. 

 

The treatment black workers were said to have been subjected to is reminiscent of the allegations of racism that have long stalked the Indian community, particularly in KwaZulu-Natal.

 

One person let rip at Indian South Africans on Twitter, following the incident with the Guptas. 

 

"Reality Check: You were never part of the struggle & you never worked hard. The British gave you all that you have!" tweeted a scornful Phumlani Mfeka.

 

A sore point has been the treatment of domestic workers, gardeners and other staff working for Indian families and businesses. While white-on-black racism, or its reverse, usually dominates the conversation in South Africa, Indian-on-black prejudice is an issue that has come to the forefront at various times in our democratic history."

 

 

https://www.ru.ac.za/perspective/2013archive/the_guptas_and_racism_among_indian_people.html 

Very likely colorism.... ethnic hatred - as both Indians and Africans are considered black in America

My Sister is Considered Black in America....White in Ghana....and Colored in South Africa.....Whose rubric are you using???

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

According to how race is defined in the West....they are all of the same race - hence it is ethnic

 

If you qualify race is ONLY how it's defined in the West...perhaps.
But race is older and bigger than America or the West, and we aren't the only ones who get to define racial categories.

Race as it is currently define all over the Globe is primarily a Western European Ideology.

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

It is very difficult to tell them apart.

 

It's difficult for YOU to tell them apart because you aren't Somali or Ethiopian.
Somalis and Ethiopians can EASILY tell themselves apart from the Bantu tribes that they oppress and call "Adoon" and "Baria"

 

Not entirely true....

Some Bantu look Somali and vice versa

 

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Those are wars of a tribalistic nature in Europe....

Northern Ireland vs Ireland...Western Europe - Ethnic War 

 

Yes, ethnic....not racial.
People who LOOK the same but share different cultures and religions, fighting eachother.

The people I speak of as being of different races generally don't even LOOK the same.

Thank you....

As I showed above it is the same thing happening in Africa....its not racial but ethnic.

 

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Arabs Jews and Africans experience racial violence in Western Europe continually.

 

Yes, but not on the level they experience it in Africa.

Won't argue that point...

 

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

That is your point....my point is that it is not the same as physical reality

That's your point NOW because you couldn't defend your original one, lol.

My original point was always that realities differ...

You are the one who is trying to make all realities one and the same..

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

It's called a "straw man".
Making up an issue to argue that was never in dispute in the first place...lol.

You seemed to be confused....

My original argument remains the same....

Show me the changes I have made....link copy and paste.

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

The inmate was and may still be free enough to attack a CO....That is an exercise of free will - resistance reprisal and rebellion.

 

It's not a matter of being "free enough".
Free is free.

That is a degree of free

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

He wasn't restrained and that lack of restraint allowed him to attack the guard.
But he STILL wasn't free, just unrestrained.

Being restrained is a lessor degree of free

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Slaves were able to walk around the plantation and even walk from one plantation to the other.
That didn't mean they were free.

That is a greater degree of free

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

God  Nature....The Awakened - The Enlightened Cosmic Consciousness

 

I agree

Thank you

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Do not confuse your limitations for that of others

 

Can somebody be "freer" than free?
Even MORE dead than dead?
More absent than not there?

Yes

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Free has no limits

 

Exactly.
So how can you be MORE free than that?

That depends on you

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Dead to who or what

 

Doesn't matter.
If they are dead, they are without life.

Life like energy can only be transform.....never destroyed

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Unless you're like Junior in Harlem Nights....lol.

 

" Shit....Junior DEADER than a muthafucka."

 

 

 

 

Name the term....if it qualifies or fit - I will share my comprehension of it

 

Liberty....I think is more fitting.

Even our liberties has restrictions.....

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

The vast majority of Sciences agree and accept the out of Africa theory as true.

 

Western science, atleast.

African Cultural mores and spirituality also agrees

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

This is a preponderance  of scientific thought and the results of scientific experimentations

 

I'm curious as to what "experiment" they used to prove that human beings started in Africa.

To my knowledge, the only evidence they have of this is archeological findings.

That's a good place to start...

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

This is religious dogma....by decree it was establish as accepted - not by scientific experimentation.

 

Yes, but the same group who put out THAT story....also put out the Theory of Evolution.

The White elite.

Not true....

Africans has always consider fellow creatures as our brothers....as in Brer Rabbit

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

The same people who claimed that Blacks were cursed and used the Biblical story of Creation to justify it are the SAME people who claimed that Black people are the direct descendants of monkeys and use their so-called "scientific theories" to justify THAT.

Those two claims are pure falsities

 

On 2/16/2026 at 7:59 PM, Pioneer1 said:

We have a PATTERN of the same people putting out racist stories and theories that they later change.

Because it was propaganda....used to divide demean persecute and abuse

In other words they were always lies

And the biggest of those lies is.....the idea of Races

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

Homo Erectus are also Primitive and are absolutely straight haired. Africans are modern mankind and have nappy hair in origin and other traits that are distinct 

My point is the originated in what is now called Africa.....hence African

 

4 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

 

The earth did NOT split 200 million years ago.

The earth did NOT even split 2 million years ago. 

I introduced Ancient Egypt because this is the part of the earth where the first civilization formed and their records prove that the 

earth did not split 2 million years ago and that by the time of their record keeping, the Homo Erectus had long been extinct.

Prior to the ancient Egyptians, the Primitive mankind did not form a civilization of record.

Their records prove that the Neanderthals were not from Africa but these 'beings' roamed the earth and existed in many other parts of this planet.

There are NO records that prove exactly where the Primitive mankind 'began' to live on this earth and the continent of Africa did not form until the earth split. 

Prior to the earth splitting, geography was not defined by 'continental' divisions. 

Anyway, I will try and get some references asap.

I await you documentation and supporting evidence....

How old is Ancient Egypt?

 

4 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

 

Neanderthals cannot be Africans because they are Primitive mankind. Africans are modern mankind and have nappy hair and other traits that are completely different from Primitive human beings. 

Neanderthals cannot be Africans for more reasons than one. Their Chromosomes behave distinct from modern mankind.

 

 

Homo Erectus are Primitive and were extinct thousands of years before modern mankind were Created.

 

They originated in Africa....to me that makes them African

They may not be Homo sapiens sapiens....but they are Africans

[ProfD]

18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Because we don't want people attempting to STEAL our identity or any Reparations we'll get coming our way in the future.

I don't believe we have to worry too much about people stealing Black identity.

 

18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

1. Power is EXCLUSIVE...not inclusive.

Who or what will define Black power? 

 

18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

2. When Reparations are finally agreed upon and doled out you'll have a lot of people CLAIMING to be AfroAmerican just to get a check.

White folks are going to fight reparations with every fiber in their being & every bullet they can load into a chamber. 

 

18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

3. If everybody has the right to identity as Black if they wish, it will be nearly impossible to prove cases of racial discrimination.

Everybody won't be able to identify as Black for several reasons.

 

Racial discrimination is committed by those who have power over other races.

 

18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We must have standards that WE set for ourselves as to who belongs to our group and who doesn't qualify.
All self respecting people have this.

The majority of people do not want to be Black. That includes many Black folks.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

I don't believe we have to worry too much about people stealing Black identity.

Tell that to the Black applicant who missed out on a job they applied to because the firm had so many positions set aside for Black employees and White folks simply CLAIMING to be Black took them instead.

 

Or tell that Black students who couldn't get into their chosen University because there were a certain amount of seats set aside for Black students and a bunch of White kids CLAIMING to be Black took them.....not to worry, lol.

 

 

 

 

Who or what t will define Black power?

 

Us
Part of self determination is self definition.

 

Black power is simply Black success and authority within a given context.

 

 

 

 

White folks are going to fight reparations with every fiber in their being & every bullet they can load into a chamber. 

 

Unless they can figure out a way to BENEFIT from it themselves.
Not just identify theft but....it's been commonly said and even joked about that Arab, Korean, and White business owners are the number one CHAMPIONS for Reparations because they know WHO many of our people are going to go to to SPEND that Reparations money...lol.

You'll see them doing the Birdman hand-rub...lol




"Right on bro.....Reparations NOW."

 

Everybody won't be able to identify as Black for several reasons.

 

True.
We don't want ANYBODY who isn't Black....claiming to be Black.

Stay in your OWN lane...not ours.
 

 

 

 

Racial discrimination is committed by those who have power over other races.

 

You don't need power to discriminate.
All you need is the ability to reason and discern one person or object from another...lol.

 

 

Neely Fuller Jr. ask.....can he tell a spoon from a fork?

 

 

 

The majority of people do not want to be Black. That includes many Black folks.

 

And I say GOOD....lol.

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.

I personally wouldn't link up with Black people who ARE Black but don't want to be, anyway.
The more who expose themselves...the better.
 

As I said, true power is EXCLUSIVE and not inclusive.

One of the problems is too many Black people want to run around embracing EVERYBODY and trying to include them into our group.

Like that those kids in school who run around trying to impress people and be their friend.
 

[Chevdove]

10 hours ago, frankster said:

15 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Homo Erectus are also Primitive and are absolutely straight haired. Africans are modern mankind and have nappy hair in origin and other traits that are distinct 

My point is the originated in what is now called Africa.....hence African

 

That would be impossible because the African continent did not exist when they roamed the earth. And by the time the continents existed, they were long extinct.

 

 

10 hours ago, frankster said:

I await you documentation and supporting evidence....

How old is Ancient Egypt?

 

The Ancient Egyptian records pinpoint this first civilization to be in the 4000s B.C. at a time when the earth mass was still one and NO continents were defined by the earth splitting. The earth did NOT split until long after the Homo Erectus had been extinct.

 

10 hours ago, frankster said:

They originated in Africa....to me that makes them African

They may not be Homo sapiens sapiens....but they are Africans

 

No they did not because there was no land called Africa when they existed initially. These Primitive beings first organized their cultures on this planet when the earth was one mass and they were not just in the area we know as Africa today. They roamed this earth until there was an Ice Age and then their presence has been reported to be in certain areas, again, in many places on earth. 

 

 

 

 

[frankster]

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

That would be impossible because the African continent did not exist when they roamed the earth. And by the time the continents existed, they were long extinct.

The continent existed as per my information before during and after homo erectus...

provide your proof or supporting links

 

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

The Ancient Egyptian records pinpoint this first civilization to be in the 4000s B.C. at a time when the earth mass was still one and NO continents were defined by the earth splitting. The earth did NOT split until long after the Homo Erectus had been extinct.

So you are saying  the Continents drifted apart less than 4000 yrs ago....could you be referring to the flood(younger dryas)???

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

No they did not because there was no land called Africa when they existed initially.

It may had not been called Africa ...... but the continent was there

 

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

These Primitive beings first organized their cultures on this planet when the earth was one mass and they were not just in the area we know as Africa today.

The Earth was one landmass over 200 million yrs ago...That Single Land was called - Pangea

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

They roamed this earth until there was an Ice Age and then their presence has been reported to be in certain areas, again, in many places on earth. 

Yes 

[Chevdove]

10 hours ago, frankster said:

The continent existed as per my information before during and after homo erectus...

provide your proof or supporting links

 

No it did not.

But okay. You  do the same.

Provide your proof in why you believe the continents existed during the time homo erectus existed.  

The earth was one mass long after 200 million years ago. It was one mass until very recent times, according to my research. 

The earth only split into continents very, very recent and the Homo Erectus had been extinct long before this time.

The Neanderthals were definitely existing in hybrid forms though, after the earth split, as they are still here today. 

But the Homo Erectus were long extinct before the earth split. One of my main references about the Homo Erectus is 

[1] the Science museum; the Smithsonian Institute. They report that the Neanderthals did live contemporary with Modern mankind but not

the Homo Erectus. I will spend some time revisiting references about the time the earth split, however, due to the AI technology, a lot of references

that regard the time the earth split is a challenge to find. I have to find my past references. 

 

 

 

[frankster]

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

No it did not.

But okay. You  do the same.

ok here goes

 

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Provide your proof in why you believe the continents existed during the time homo erectus existed.  

The earth was one mass long after 200 million years ago. It was one mass until very recent times, according to my research. 

 

Pangaea existed about 240 million years ago. By about 200 million years ago, this supercontinent began breaking up. Over millions of years, Pangaea separated into pieces that moved away from one another. These pieces slowly assumed their positions as the continent we recognize today.

https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/continental-drift/

 

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

The earth only split into continents very, very recent and the Homo Erectus had been extinct long before this time.

The Neanderthals were definitely existing in hybrid forms though, after the earth split, as they are still here today. 

But the Homo Erectus were long extinct before the earth split. One of my main references about the Homo Erectus is 

 

Homo erectus, extinct species of the human genus(Homo), perhaps an ancestor of modern humans (Homo sapiens). H. erectus most likely originated in Africa, though Eurasia cannot be ruled out. Regardless of where it first evolved, the species seems to have dispersed quickly, starting about 1.9 million years ago (mya) near the middle of the Pleistocene Epoch, moving through the African tropics, Europe, South Asia, and Southeast Asia.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Homo-erectus

 

 

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

[1] the Science museum; the Smithsonian Institute. They report that the Neanderthals did live contemporary with Modern mankind but not

the Homo Erectus. I will spend some time revisiting references about the time the earth split, however, due to the AI technology, a lot of references

that regard the time the earth split is a challenge to find. I have to find my past references.

I never said they were or were not contemporaneous...,,either way you are introducing this into the discussion....

 

Now you provide your supporting links......

[Pioneer1]

Chev

 

Homo Erectus are Primitive and were extinct thousands of years before modern mankind were Created.

 

If you think they're extinct.....
Go to San Francisco or Atlanta and you'll see THOUSANDS of "homo erections" walking around.

 

Don't believe me?
Unlike theories from millions of years ago....you can go there TODAY and see that madness for yourself....lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

frankster

 

Professionals and scientist are not so easily led astray by fakes fraudsand counterfeit.

 

No, it takes MONEY and directives from their superiors to lead THEM astray and produce false information.
And it happens on a daily basis.

 

 

 The facts pertaining to the theory of evolution are all open to questions and disputations..

 

The FACTS aren't what's being disputed.
The unproven CLAIMS are.
Like people coming from monkeys.

They have yet to find the "missing link".
And the most racist supporters of this theory actually claim that BLACK PEOPLE are the missing link!

 

 

 

 

The are also levels to realities

 

True

 

 

 

 

It is a contract.....if a signatory decides to unilaterally break a contractual agreement then they be consequences.

 

I don't know if I'd call it a "contract" but more like an agreement.
A Spiritual Agreement.

 

 

 

Sounds like a Psychosis....Delusionary

 

That's what psychosis IS...a break from Reality.

 

 

 

As I said colorism this the White men light skinned men they were referring to.....does he look like he would be thought of as a white man US.

 

1. What article referred to him as "white"???

2. They don't have to be "white" to be seen as a different race.
Race in most cases simply refer to groups with to phenotypical DIFFERENCES, not necessarily opposite or extreme differences.

 

Chinese aren't White...but they are still seen as a different race than Nigerians.
Eskimos aren't White....but they're still seen a a different race than Pakistanis.

Most northern Sudanese aren't White (though some are) but are still seen as Arab and of a different race than those of South Sudan

 

 

 

 

Very likely colorism.... ethnic hatred - as both Indians and Africans are considered black in America

My Sister is Considered Black in America....White in Ghana....and Colored in South Africa.....Whose rubric are you using???

 

It depends on the country.
Like you said....race is a SOCIAL construct...and it's categories vary based on the SOCIETY in which it operates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Race as it is currently define all over the Globe is primarily a Western European Ideology.

 

The same can be said for modern science, education, and entertainment.
What's new?

 

 

 

 

 

You are the one who is trying to make all realities one and the same..

 

Show me where I've said that.

 

 

 

 

 

That is a degree of free

Being restrained is a lessor degree of free

That is a greater degree of free

 

 There is no "degree of free"
Either you're free or you're not.

 

Either a person is dead or not.

Unless they got killed by G Money, from New Jack City.....

 

"Take him out and kill him 5 times!"

 

 

 

 

 

Life like energy can only be transform.....never destroyed

 

This is a common saying, but we don't know if this is true or not

Who can verify that?

 

 

 

 

Even our liberties has restrictions.....

 

True
As they should, for our safety.


 

African Cultural mores and spirituality also agrees

 

Again, show me a traditional African writing that makes the claim that ALL human beings came from Africa.

 

 

 

Africans has always consider fellow creatures as our brothers....as in Brer Rabbit

 

Africans have traditionally promoted respect for nature and animals.
Considering them our "brothers" is a different story....lol.

 

Brer Rabbit is part of AFROAMERICAN folklore.

 

 

 

 

Those two claims are pure falsities

 

They are absolutely true.
Both sources are White people.

 

 

 

 

And the biggest of those lies is.....the idea of Races

 

If the idea of "race" is a lie...then the ideas of "flavor" and "color" is too.