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Well, the results are in. "Black Panther" which opened this week-end  was a box office sensation to the tune of $192,000,000+, primarily due to the patronage of black people deliriously happy to have a super hero with the same skin color as theirs. These theatergoers showed up in droves, many of them decked out in African garb, all ready to have their hunger for something other than movies depicting the drudgery and cruelty of slavery in America, satisfied. Reviews of this film have been good, and popular opinion has been overwhelming in its enthusiastic approval. That the movie's director is also black, is chocolate icing on the devils food cake.  But there are always voices of dissent and social media provides a platform for this. The pros and cons of this movie are being debated on "Twitter", i hear.  

 

I recently expressed my prejudices toward what i perceived as arrogant immigrants and the upsurge of African surnames dominating the film and publishing industry. I was miffed by these dark-skinned people with clipped British accents and unpronounceable names benefiting from all the "gains" black Americans fought for, only to see roles for them fall into the laps of Africans. e.g. In this year's academy award nominee "Get Out",  the romantic lead who is a professional photographer is played by a goofy looking African with blood-shot eyes, while the comic relief is provided by a black American actor personifying  bufoonery and profanity.   

 

 So, the article below resonated with me.  I'm sure the majority of black Americans will dismiss the author's  complaints as those of a nit-picking malcontent but, naturally, i didn't. I love iconoclasts. 

 

 

Spoiler Alert: the plot details are discussed,  

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I dunno if I was 30 years younger I would probably get excited about this flick, but to me it is just another superhero movie with video game action and the same story written to appeal to teen age boys...

 

I also resist, by my very nature, the herd mentality exhibited by Black folks in seeing this movie.  I feel manipulated, by the people who are making the real money from this film.  

 

@Cynique, I understand the sentiment (and will read the article after I see the film), but all this does is serve to divide Black people.

 

I will however say the people are gorgeous, and the visuals are quite appealing.  I do plan to see the film, probably this evening, so I'll have more to say later. 

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  • A Black story, predominately Black cast and Black director and writer. And it is the hottest movie out, and it is ringing the register. 
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  • This is historic
  • i read Cynique's link. yeah the movie has some societal issues. But it is worthy of discussion.
  • Look at the range of characters. The tech head , the warriors, revolutinary, killers, theives. Yet they are undeniably black without being sterotypical.
  • Black peope posting their exuberance and disdain. Man this is like Obama but with a better ending.

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It might be a movie put out for catharsis purposes.

The POWERFUL will put out a film for those who are POWERLESS in this society to live out their fantasies on film as a way of satisfying them INSTEAD OF actually giving them opportunities to improve themselves in real life.

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"It's a film with Black Female warriors. The Tech nerd is a woman. The bad guys are white and their leader is black. " Beth.

 

How often are any one of those elements in a film. 

 

You can criticise the film. The villain is noble and heroic. Yes it is a movie. But it is making Black people very visible and it's a compelling story.  So despite all of its flaws it's is a compelling piece of social commentary. 

 

 

Did you know the character predated the Black Panther movement. 

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Troy and Pioneer you had issues about Viola Davis and how she was presented. The Black Panther has a broad spectrum of believable black characters. Yet no love from you two.  Weren't we talking about not being represented in the culture. 

This Halloween white kids will want to be the Black Panther. 

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This movie is a fantasy about super heroes living in a  black Utopia full of characters represented by paragons.  i don't get the impression that there's anything believable about this picture.  it is escape entertainment.  

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I didn't say I had a problem with the film.

I haven't even seen it yet.

Everyone I know who HAS, said it was a good film.....so I'm not dissing it.

I'm just saying that PERHAPS it was a catharsis.

Cynique said it was "escape entertainment"....and that's what a catharsis is.
It's a means of ESCAPE from your reality when you feel you are powerless to change it.

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Sorry @Delano, I'm not going to jump on the Black Panther lovefest until I've actually seen the film.  Why on Earth would you say I have "no love" for the film?  Looks just because I'm not creaming my pants over a movie like the masses seem to be as reflected on social media -- which is a distortion of reality.  The truth is I don't get that excited about ANY movie.

 

As Cynique described, it is "escape entertainment," an action flick -- lets keep things in perspective.  This will not change the world. It is entertainment pure and simple. It is designed and created to make money. 

 

Del did you see the film before you wrote all of this?

 

 

 

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Yes, this movie is "escapism", - which, incidentally,  is not a synonym for "cathartic". Just read an interesting take on this film wherein the writer suggested the the villain was actually the hero in this movie     His rebelling against being disinherited by the establishment and denied his status is who black Americans should be identifying with; not the affluent, powerful king of a high tech society.

 

i have yet to understand why black Americans are so frantic to kick their indigenous history to the curb in favor of a fictional  kingdom that never existed anywhere on the African continent.  Black Wall Street and  other thriving  independent black communities like the section in Brooklyn which was plowed under to make way for Central  Park,  Eatonville, Florida, the idyllic all-black home town of Zora Neale Hurston, and Rosewood, Florida, are just 3 noteworthy historical examples of what black folks were capable of doing, much to the chagrin of the white forces that destroyed them. 

 

Something akin to mass hysteria has infected the black community to the "Ka-Ching" of Black Panther's producers.  But, i don't really perceive this as harmful.  It's a feel-good movie. So be it. 

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Because the reality is bitter. And not everyone likes the Blues.

24 minutes ago, Cynique said:

i have yet to understand why black Americans are so frantic to kick their indigenous history to the curb in favor of a fictional  kingdom that never existed anywhere on the African continent

Because the reality is bitter. And not everyone likes the Blues.

 

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Yes, the reality is bitter, but it's not as if the alternative to this bitterness is an historic reality. It's just a delusion.  

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7 minutes ago, Cynique said:

Yes, the reality is bitter, but it's not as if the alternative to this bitterness is an historic reality. It's just a delusion.  

Yes which is why drugs and alcohol are popular. "Reality Is For People That Can't Handle Drugs Group" David Foster Wallace Infinite Jest pg 707

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@Cynique the people who create movies and build the hype behind them are really very good at what they do.  This more than anything else explains why people are in a frenzy over the fictional country of Wakanda rather than Tulsa Oklahoma.

 

The marketers who get us all hyped about a film could use this talent to generate hype over actual Black history, which in my opinion is far more fascinating, but uplifting people is not as lucrative as selling movie tickets. 

 

@Delano, Have you seen the film?  

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http://www.okayplayer.com/culture/ryan-coogler-michael-b-jordan-reteam-wrong-answer-movie.html

 

Cogler and Jordan plan on doing a movie about the richest man in history 

 

http://thesource.com/2018/02/19/ryan-coogler-and-michael-b-jordan-wants-to-bring-mansa-musa-to-the-big-screen/

These two Brothers know how to work the system. So now the next couple of movies are more realistic based on their success with Black Panther.

You ring the register the studio let's you make a smaller movie. Although based on the success of their previous collaboration they may get an epic budget. 

 

So if they do a small budget film that does box office. They can make an epic film. Not because it's the  right thing to do but because it's a good investment. 

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Well I saw Black Panther last night. I was definitely a step above the typical action flick, the plot was a bit deeper.  Sure it had all the requisite battles, explosions, fast cars, and attractive women and muscular men engaging in death defying feats aided by super powers -- all of which gives it its universal mass appeal.  

 

I thought it was an excellent film. I was not the greatest film ever, but for a superhero action fick it was as good as they come.  Certainly better than any that I can recall seeing in the last decade. 

 

The audience I watched the move with, in Tampa Florida, which was virtually all white applauded at the end of the film.

 

 

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I have not heard one person who saw this movie say it was not good.  Even its critics concede that it is an excellent representation of its genre.  I poke fun at all the hype, but credit should be given where credit is due.

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I've seen the movie and I think it was great.

I thought it has some pretty powerful spiritual messages in it that related to traditional African spirituality.
Especially as it relates to the "realm of the ancestors".

It reminded me of Shaka Zulu mixed with Game of Thrones....lol.

But unfortunately without the NUDITY that is found in both series.

Another thing I noticed about the film is that with all the Afrocentric concepts introduced.....POLYGAMY which is so common in traditional African culture...was not such much as even hinted.

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Interestingly, the film reflected the fact that spirituality and science are perfectly compatible.   In the real world, African cultures did in fact demonstrate this.

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5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Another thing I noticed about the film is that with all the Afrocentric concepts introduced.....POLYGAMY which is so common in traditional African culture...was not such much as even hinted.

 

Why would an advanced futuristic Utopian society where women have been elevated, devote any attention to polygamy? 

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16 hours ago, Cynique said:

 

Why would an advanced futuristic Utopian society where women have been elevated, devote any attention to polygamy? 


Once again, YOUR WRONG...lol....but I don't expect you to admit it.

According to the plot, it's not a "futuristic" society but a hidden CONTEMPORARY one parallel with the outside world.

And whether a society practices polygamy or not has NOTHING to do with how elevated the women are.
Western civilization has STRICTLY instituted and promoted monogamy through out it's entire history and has also been one of the most oppressive societies for women.

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@Pioneer1Oh, puleeze.  How do you think bringing polygamy into the story-line would have advanced the plot? It would be an irrelevant distraction. That's why the writer and director left it out.  As usual the info you provide is a non sequitur. And it's debatable whether polygamy would be beneficial in this modern society to anybody but men because it inevitably provides an opportunity for them to oppress and exploit women. Conversely, single women may like playing around  with more than one man but very few of them would be interested in having multiple husbands. They are all looking for that one "Mr. Right".  Another example of  you having knowledge, but not comprehension. 

 

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@DelAre you referring to gay people? what about the statement below didn't apply to your question.

 

3 hours ago, Cynique said:

Conversely, single women may like playing around  with more than one man but very few of them would be interested in having multiple husbands. They are all looking for that one "Mr. Right

 

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@DelWell, i asked you whether you were referring to gay people.  That would answer your question about the sex of multiple mates chosen by a woman who practiced polygamy.

 

 

 

 

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On 25/02/2018 at 7:58 PM, Cynique said:

Why would an advanced futuristic Utopian society where women have been elevated, devote any attention to polygamy? 

My comment was on response to the above statement. 

How does their sexual preference have any impact on my statement? 

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@DelI'm not sure what statement you are referring to.  My response was to Pioneer's implication equating polygamy with liberating women from the  monogamous society which has a history of oppressing them; something i find questionable, because  belonging to a harem still casts women in a subordinate role.  And that, as far as marriage goes, i really believe that presently women are seeking one spouse who adequately fills all of their needs, rather than a brigade of husbands to keep up with. If they are lesbians, then this still applies.  If they are bi-sexual, then marriage is not a viable option.   

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Delano

I totally support women having the right to marry more than one husband if they choose to do so.

For me, polygamy means BOTH men and women having the right to choose multiple spouses as long as all involved are consenting adults.

That would be an example of REAL sexual freedom.

 

 

 

 

Cynique


My response was to Pioneer's implication equating polygamy with liberating women from the monogamous society which has a history of oppressing them


Once again you're ATTEMPTING to misconstrue my position, lol.

I didn't say that polygamy either LIBERATED or OPPRESSED women.
Polygamy and monogamy have ALMOST NOTHING to do with how advanced or repressed women are in society.

For thousands of years women had more rights in polygamous Sub-Saharan Africa than they had in monogamous Western Europe.
And today women have more rights in monogamous Western Europe than in polygamous Middle Eastern countries.

The point is....one has nothing to do with the other.

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Misconstrue my eye. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth,  trying to do damage control. blah, blah, blah

 

Del was right when he said that arguing with you is a waste of time.  <_< zzzzzzzz

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:


Delano

I totally support women having the right to marry more than one husband if they choose to do so.

For me, polygamy means BOTH men and women having the right to choose multiple spouses as long as all involved are consenting adults.

That would be an example of REAL sexual freedom.

 

 

It would appear that Pioneer read both ways. Kudos. 

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@DelNobody said they were against woman having multiple husbands.  I simply made the realistic observation that in today's modern open society,  single woman can and do  play the field, but when it comes to marriage, they are looking for that one Mr. Right, rather than deluding themselves into thinking that any man worth having would consent to being  a  member of a team of husbands married to one woman.   Get real. 

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On 2/26/2018 at 12:57 AM, Delano said:

Who says it has to be many women it could be many men.

 

Exactly. Folks forget that there are/were African cultures where the woman has more than one man, not the man having more than one woman. Matriarchs. 

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Again, i ask, who said that polygamy  should be limited to men?  i didn't.  But in an era where woman are becoming increasingly assertive and demanding, when homosexulaity  has set a precedence in challenging societal taboos and subsequently  become acceptable, i find it significant that polygamy is conspicuously absent  from the agenda of women.  Single women, like single males, lead the kind of lives they want to so why was the subject of polygamy even raised by the person who raised it?  No reference to it was included in the movie Black Panther because it has no relevance.   

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18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Delano

I totally support women having the right to marry more than one husband if they choose to do so.

For me, polygamy means BOTH men and women having the right to choose multiple spouses as long as all involved are consenting adults.

That would be an example of REAL sexual freedom.

Perhaps societies that at more open, fair  or equitable or about sexual relationships, would also be more progressive in the main .

6 hours ago, Cynique said:

@DelNobody said they were against woman having multiple husbands.  I simply made the realistic observation that in today's modern open society,  single woman can and do  play the field, but when it comes to marriage, they are looking for that one Mr. Right, rather than deluding themselves into thinking that any man worth having would consent to being  a  member of a team of husbands married to one woman.   Get real. 

Perhaps some women prefer neither marriage nor monogamy . Your response seems more limiting. Your statement or rather your response takes  an open statement ,," it could be many men ." Into a binary western Judeo-Christian perspective .

 

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