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17 hours ago, Cynique said:

I will simply co-sign to whatever Troy says, for the simple reason that he comes closest to my way of thinking.

 

That is high praise @Cynique thank you.

 

@Pioneer1 you can't have it both ways man.  You can't say on one hand that Del's observation that you are humble and your admission that you are not are perfectly valid, because they are subjective, while his observation that you are honest is statement of fact.

 

The truth of the matter is @Delano is in no position to assess your honesty, despite his psychic abilities -- man you aren't even honest about your identity. All he, any of us, can do is express an opinion. However, we will never know if that opinion is accurate.  As far as humility, this we can assess that based upon the manner in which you express yourself.  Again, as you freely admit, humble you are not.  This assessment is not nearly as subjective as you are trying to make it seem.

 

Anyone who believes they know more the the world's scientific community cannot be humble. 

 

K2, Del did a some readings in my home for a group of friends it was a very nice evening and everyone had a really good time.  Del, in person, is a very laid back, unpretentious dude.  I think these forums allow us to express sides of ourselves which we would not typically present in the real world.  

 

I think however when you use an avatar you can take these liberties to an extreme that you might not when you using your real identity.

 

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Thanks Troy but K2 seems to think I need more education or have some mental slowness. I am  out of this particular round. Will post some news about Cohen and Trump. 

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Del don't be so hard to on K2.  How can he possibly accurately assess anyone based upon a few statements.  We all say things, or arrive at conclusions, based upon limited information that ultimately turn out to be wrong.  K2 may feel differently over time.   

 

Besides you know your level of education.  What difference does it make what he or anyone else thinks or says about it?

 

 

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Delano, there are no checks, deposits, or bounces. I Believe what you are trying to say is, without all the words, I've failed, there is no change in how YOU PRECIEVE my discussion responses, resolve here. And that's okay too because I'm still not trying to be your friend or seek your approval of me.  

 

WHAT I AM DOING is attempting to show you the REAL ME without all the BS mixed in. Well, maybe a little BS. Take me as is or reject me but without looking at me as an offer. I'M NOT A NICE PERSON, so I'm constantly told. Which is obviously a threat, challenge to you; probably because of your personal insecurities, which we all have. 

 

YOUR personal insecurity trigger seems to be any challenge to your academic achievement(s) which I've not challenged or disrespected. Now, however, I (do) herein pose a challenge to the strength, depth of your academic achievement(s): that you are not capable of looking beyond the words to notice the meaning; and that meanings are foreign, unacceptable to you whenever your position is rejected.  

 

That's normal, not a (my) problem for or to me; who cares about you more than you do? LOOK MAN, you're not child nor my son and I'm not going to change who I am because you don't like me. My love for you start with you being a Black man and ends with your humanity. I think all humans beasts only with reason capabilities, never to be completely trusted.  Although I never apologize I have no problem is calling for a TRUCE, to preserve what's left after war. 

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You give advice that is myopic. You gave a friend advice and she ended up in jail. That's my issue with you. You give unsolicited advice and make assessments that are useless. And by your own account detrimental. 

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Fair enough, though not well taken. And how much ill advice and misguidance have you given to people in the form of paid readings? You're not being honest because NOTHING I've posted in these discussions were aimed toward advisement, to anyone. Another question mark on your ability to discern opionated rhetoric!

 

The issue you have with me doesn't seem to be about me or perceptions of me giving advice at all; but rather issues you have WITH YOURSELF.

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Reread my post. Unsolicited is an important word. I give you too much credit thinking you would get the point. I have stated directly my issue yet you want to deflect and offer more unsolicited advice and assessments. This post is to clarify my issue with your words. Since   both Troy and Cynique are under different assumptions of my peevishness.

 

An entire American culture tries to dminish everyone who isn't a white male. Your duplicitous advice mixed with criticism is not up to par. So I am sitting out the subsequent rounds of golf.

 

3 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

Another, on point, observation is you still firing when there's a STAND DOWN!!!

You're still talking at me.

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Delano said:

Reread my post. Unsolicited is an important word. I give you too much credit thinking you would get the point. I have stated directly my issue yet you want to deflect and offer more unsolicited advice and assessments. This post is to clarify my issue with your words. Since   both Troy and Cynique are under different assumptions of my peevishness.

 

An entire American culture tries to dminish everyone who isn't a white male. Your duplicitous advice mixed with criticism is not up to par. So I am sitting out the subsequent rounds of golf.

 

AH, so now it's criticism. I give-up, you win! I'll be the villain and let you be the victim; unless you prefer being the good guy and me the bad the guy. How much did I take or owe you; what have you lost, exactly? Quickly now, your creditability is on the line, everybody's watching. 

 

Oh, I have another idea for your appeal, you're a, what, seer, fortuneteller or reader? What do you see in the stars of your future, what's your strength and weakness's and how's your emotional state today?

 

No, I'm not talking to you, don't see you, nor acknowledge your existence!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Your words put someone in prison for 8 years.  Yet you are annoyed that I don't want to take your well meaning advice. The road to hell is paved with (fill in the _ _ _ _ _ _ _) 

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@Dalano: I am, again, inclined to acknowledge you and respond; it wasn't my words, it was instruction(s) that (probably) saved a helpless woman' life. It was a racist legal system exalting in what they call Black on Black crime that put her away for 8-years. Furthermore, I'm not angry, annoyed, or even impatient with you; and again, not giving you advice. A reasonable person would simply ignore advice they don't like or useless to them. Are you a reasonable person? 

 

Oh, Delano, I should also add that after her release I told her that the redemption for a Black woman, with a violent felony, criminal record was to arm herself with a college degree. Which she acknowledged, though she has two more children with a married man, she's also a successful language translator for an online service company. How's that for a suggestion that was never meant to be advice?

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Troy

The truth of the matter is @Delano is in no position to assess your honesty, despite his psychic abilities -- man you aren't even honest about your identity. All he, any of us, can do is express an opinion


How am I not honest about my identity?

Is not posting one's picture and other personal information a sign of DISHONESTY to you?

15 years ago hardly ANYONE was putting up their personal pictures on social media for security reasons, now most people are doing it.

15 years from now.....
If a person refuses to put their address and social security number online when they communicate will that be a sign that their lying and have something to hide?

 

 

 

 

But for the record, I DO NOT believe in this concept of "transparency" that so many politicians and those in the media are calling for these days.

I think it's both impractical AND unrealistic to expect someone to be totally transparent and open about everything they're doing and thinking.....especially in the world of government and finance where telling all of your business could lead to your financial ruin.


My moral code calls for TRUTH.

Whether you love it or hate it, ommiting and concealing information DOES NOT violate that code....only lying and falsifying information do.

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@Pioneer1 don't get all bent out of shape man.  I completely understand why one would hide their identity on the web.  

 

I have simply never done it.  Indeed it would be very difficult, if not impossible, for me to run a business and do it.

 

With your identity hidden, you do not have that same accountability for your statements as someone who does not hide their identity.  You wont ever have to worry about standing behind or explain something your have written. Surely you can appreciate this, can't you?

 

Also, with so much of yourself hidden, how could it be possible for anyone to assess your honesty?  This is NOT the same thing as saying you are lying, but we just have no way of knowing.  All we know is what you tell us, but we have now way of vetting what you have written because we don't know you you are.  Get it?

 

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3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

All he, any of us, can do is express an opinion

 

Keyword, "opinion" based on both what is known and unknown. Leaves room for any suspicion, every suspicion! Is not 'entirely' about hiding or having something to hid; failure to disclose one's true identity, if not lie, what is it? Exactly. A liar who never cheats is still a liar. A mischief maker who supports human rights is no less a mischief maker. A person who hides his true identity/image diberately does not make her/him an honest person until proven otherwise - by truthful disclosure.

 

Play with the semantics: Oposite of truth; oposite of honesty, etc.

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Troy

 

Pioneer1 don't get all bent out of shape man. I completely understand why one would hide their identity on the web.


I'm not sure how my statement may have sounded but I didn't get bent out of shape or angry.

As far as me not having to stand behind what I say, you can say that about ANYONE posting on here.
Except for people you've actually met in real life like Cynique and Del....you don't know if ANY picture a poster is using is actually theres or they are who they claim to be.....lol.

But this is what you CAN do.........

Ask yourself this question:

Of the years I've been posting on this forum, have you ever known me to tell an outright lie?

I'm not talking about making a mistake or saying something you disagree with like the racial issue.......I mean PURPOSELY putting out false information about myself or anyone or anything else
(like calling a straight Black man a "gay white troll" or calling a degreed financier  "uneducated"...lol)  ?

It's like Mel said in another thread, it boils down to who you trust and who you don't based on their history.

This is how I judge other people.......
If someone has a HISTORY of lying and being deceptive then they shouldn't be trusted.
But if you've known them for years and despite maybe being wrong or mistaken from time to time you've never known them to purposefully lie then I have a certain level of trust of them.

 

 

 


K2
 

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      9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

All he, any of us, can do is express an opinion

 


Number one.....

That quote wasn't mine, it was TROY'S.....so learn how to read and comprehend properly before you go spouting off more of your half-baked nonsense.


 


Number two.....

You keep directing posts at me but you should remember it's still "on" between us UNTIL you apologize!

You told Delano:


Although I never apologize I have no problem is calling for a TRUCE


Well since you NEVER apologize I guess things between me and you will pretty akward around here because I STILL demand an APOLOGY for what you said about my mother.

I don't let slights like that go.

I don't give a damn who you work for, if we were face to face and you said something like that you'd spend the next 5 minutes picking your TEETH up off the goddam ground.

 

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10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Of the years I've been posting on this forum, have you ever known me to tell an outright lie?

 

 

Liar's do not lie in words alone, they can live a lie for years, and years!

 

To double down, did she (you know who) apologize when you poped throug. Man, fu*k you and your demands. 

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K2

The only liar around here is YOU.

You LIE about me and who I am routinely.
You haven't even met me but you've accused me of being white, gay, a troll, a spy, and a mason all within a month....lol.

You haven't met Delano....but you LIED about his level of education or lack of it.

Hell, you JUST NOW told a lie and attributed a quote to me that I never wrote!


Make all the accusastions you want about me but the facts are NO ONE has "caught me" in a lie yet....and there's a reason for that.

If you have so much respect for Cynique, then why don't you follow the advice she gave you when you first popped up on this site and presented yourself like a straight up PARANOID FOOL by accusing me of being some sort of spy who was following you around and threatened to sue the goverment...lol.....that advice was to get your facts straight before you start jumping to conclusions and lying on people.

Unless that's your assignment.



Never the less, you WILL apologize........

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@Pioneer1, who are making this a circular argument.  I'm saying I can't prove anything you've said is true or false because I again fall all I know you can be a white guy.  That said I have anything against white guys participating here, but since you are anonymous I can only go by what you say, of course what you can can be a lie, but I have no way of knowing.

 

Of course I take you at your word, but if I were in a court of law I could not testify to your race, because I simply do not know what it is -- I just know what you written. 

 

You would not be the first first who posted here and spoofed the gender, race, or even that of a celebrity.

 

On 6/1/2018 at 11:42 PM, Pioneer1 said:

I'm not sure how my statement may have sounded but I didn't get bent out of shape or angry.

 

You are being a bit sensitive.  I was gonna write "don't get you panties in a bunch," but decided to go with cliche I chose. I was just trying to express the idea that it is not all that serious. 

 

Of course K2's presence can be completely fictional as well.  Even his is a photo of a person -- that does not mean it is him (or her).  I, just searched, and found the photo here as well: https://urbanpatriotsite.wordpress.com/ but that does yield any additional proof, as it does not take very much effort to create a wordpress site under a bogus identity I did find a resume for K2, which gives enough information for me to vet his identity if I wanted to do so, but I don't have time for that.  Besides, usually people misrepresenting themselves here eventually reveal themselves as trolls and I end up banning them.

 

Finally there is a big difference between expressing a malformed or ignorant opinion and deliberating saying something known to be false to mislead someone.  Unfortunately, it is very difficult to tell the difference.

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All true, brother Troy, anybody can lie, in fact everybody claiming to be a Homo Slepian is a liar, to hear me tell about it. Means and motives illustrate the nature of a lie. That's with the verbal or written lies, though. 

 

Coming from a strict mother I learned to lie a very young age. Got good at too. Enjoyed both advantage and suffered retribution for those lies. And I'll lie to you, but not myself. Anddefinitely, not live it. 

 

People who live lies are the most dishonest because a person who can live a lie are usually comfortable with dishonestylike lying about one's identity, deceiving self - develop an instinct to lie to others, naturally. Pioneer1 does, indeed, express himself, not in some malinformed or ignorant opion, but deliberatly offering information (even) he knows is false and misleading. The only question I have is, WHY? This my opinion and I welcome intelligible argument to the contrary.

 

Which begs the question why you never researched Pioneer1, but considering uncertainty of who he is, it understandable. Thanks for checking me out!

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@Kalexander2, I don't consider the 60 seconds it took to find freely available information about you that matched your profile.  Research would actually be validating the credentials you presented.  I have never done that -- it has never been necessary.  I did actually search for Pioneer's name one looking for his participation on other forums, because I was interested in learning about other Black forums.  Nothing immediately came up, and he refused to tell me the names of the other forums so I gave up.

 

Other than that for new signup I will search on an email address if it looks funky, because usually these are trolls.  But trolls are very sophisticated using new email address and spoofing there locations so spam does get through.  But longstroyshort.  I have neither the time or inclination to research people here. My name is not Mark Zuckerberg.

 

Once a public figured emailed me saying that someone was posting under her identity on this forum.  I did not check other out, but I trusted the person who emailed me and banned the poster because it made sense that the poster was an imposter even though it was not immediately obvious. Impersonation is a lie I have zero tolerance for here.

 

Now have stated it is impossible to prove someone posting anonymously, like @Pioneer1, can not be proven to be telling the truth. By the same token, I also do not believe one can prove that they are telling a lie.  Now, I  pose the question to you K2;  How can you be so certain that Pioneer is lying?

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1 hour ago, Troy said:

Now, I  pose the question to you K2;  How can you be so certain that Pioneer is lying?

 

Like you, brother, without, at least, an identifier to go on there's no way to know who this guy is, not with any, reasonable, definitive certainty anyway. Rhetorical variations in his posts suggest he is at least human, though. 

 

However, the fact he refused to disclose verifiable information about himself indicate a subtle dishonesty, especially when he could have simply said nothing and let everyone assume he is who he pertains to be. That, coupled with suspicious statements complicit of flawed depictions of Black folk, duplicitous sense of bonding with members here, and of course Pioneer1's die-hard insistence of rejection of scientific facts favorable to Black folk, social and economic injustices, etc.  suggest a subtle liar among us. His points of view are interesting, nonetheless, if for nothing more than another point to consider.

 

Even Delano's denial of facts is quite different than Pioneer1's sensitivity. A lie, among other definitions is an "INTERTIONAL UNTRUTH" whether it be rhetorical, verbal, or identity. The question I ask myself is, how deliberate is Pioneer1's falsehoods, even though no-one is affected negatively? And why the falsehoods, which we may never know is true, even with full disclosure, at this point.

 

Pioneer1's lie isn't so much about not telling the truth as it is about not being, simply, honest about his true indentity. Hence, as you said, there's no way of knowing whether he's trolling or otherwise infiltrating this site for some unknown purpose.

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If we find out ANYTHING in this thread, we will find out that Pioneer may be a lot of things....but a LIAR isn't one of them, lol.

 

 

 

K2

Lol, I'm trying to avoid interacting with you crazy paranoid ass but.....

I believe Troy asked you a VALID question.

Can you prove that I'm LYING about my identity?

Yes or no?

Infact, show me where I've outright lied about ANYTHING like I just did to you a few posts ago....lol.

 

When you accuse someone of something the burden of proof should be on YOU....not them.



 

Troy

Again, I wasn't upset at all.
But right now I'm a little disappointed that for the years I've been posting on here you've never been suspicious of my "identity" until a PROVEN LIAR pops up out of nowhere accusing me of being everything from a white man to a troll to a mason.


Now you're right....
I may NOT be a straight Black man.
For all you know I could be a LESBIAN WHITE WOMAN.....lol.

But like I said before, besides information that we disagree on or clear mistakes I may have made what HAVE I lied about that shows a track record of me putting out false information?


Now you asked K2 very clear and VALID question which was could he prove that I'm lying.

It literally brought a SMILE to my face for a number of reasons, but I found his response very interesting.

He said:

"Pioneer1's lie isn't so much about not telling the truth as it is about not being, simply, honest about his true indentity. Hence, as you said, there's no way of knowing whether he's trolling or otherwise infiltrating this site for some unnown purpose. "

Very interesting......

Because while he accuses me of being a troll or infiltrating the site....HE popped
up out of nowhere a few months ago and IMMEDIATELY began doing 2 things:


1. Lying on people and making accusations, especially on me that he had ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF OF, such as calling me gay, a mason, a white man, a troll, ect....

It's one thing to argue with me about my beliefs or even call him crazy and stupid, but quite another to accuse me of being malicious...which seems to have been his goal for quite some time now.


2. I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, but he's been posting a lot of anti-Semitic bullshit about Jews and Israel that he either KNOWS or SHOULD KNOW may get this site flagged by those who monitor for such things.


Unlike him....I don't go around making accusations about people I can't prove or back up.
But one thing is for sure..... those two things I just said are ABSOLUTE FACTS and I can easily provide proof for both of them.

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27 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Can you prove that I'm LYING about my identity?

Yes or no?

 

Yes, based on your post(s) voluntarily stating avatar, etc.

 

27 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

When you accuse someone of something the burden of proof should be on YOU....not them.


You asked K2 very clear and VALID question which was could he prove that I'm lying.

It literally brought a SMILE to my face for a number of reasons, but I found his response very interesting.
He said:


"Pioneer1's lie isn't so much about not telling the truth as it is about not being, simply, honest about his true indentity. Hence, as you said, there's no way of knowing whether he's trolling or otherwise infiltrating this site for some unnown purpose. "

Very interesting......

Because while he accuses me of being a troll or infiltrating the site....HE popped
up out of nowhere a few months ago and IMMEDIATELY began doing 2 things:


1. Lying on people and making accusations, especially on me that you had ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF of, such as calling me gay, a mason, a white man, a troll, ect....

It's one thing to argue with me about my beliefs or even call him crazy and stupid, but quite another to accuse me of being malicious...which seems to have been his goal for quite some time now.

2. I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, but he's been posting a lot of anti-Semitic bullshit about Jews and Israel that he either KNOWS or SHOULD KNOW may get this site flagged by those who monitor for such things.


Unlike him....I don't go around making accusations about people I can't prove or back up.
But one thing is for sure those two things I just said are ABSOLUTE FACTS and I can easily provide proof for both of them.

 

 

From where does anyone come when subscribing to a website? Where did you come from, or is that too much information leading to a satisfactory indication of you are not what you claim not to be; a troll, infiltrator, etc.? DON'T WORRY, Troy has not intention of ignoring you or your membership, neither do I.

 

After all, we are not competing here for Troy's approval, nor does he require it. Thus far the brother has been impartial and acknowledge truths and falsehoods, he, Cynique, Mel, and even Delano, to my satisfaction

anyway. Finally, neither of us, you nor me, can prove our identities without a true brith certificate. And even that's effy.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Kalexander2 said:

 

Yes, based on your post(s) voluntarily stating avatar, etc.

 

 

 

From where does anyone come when subscribing to a website? Where did you come from, or is that too much information leading to a satisfactory indication of you are not what you claim not to be; a troll, infiltrator, etc.? DON'T WORRY, Troy has not intention of ignoring you or your membership, neither do I.

 

After all, we are not competing here for Troy's approval, nor does he require it. Thus far the brother has been impartial and acknowledge truths and falsehoods, he, Cynique, Mel, and even Delano, to my satisfaction anyway. Finally, neither of us, you nor me, can prove our identities without a true brith certificate. And even that's effy.

 

Noooooooo clown....lol.

Don't try to "drop it" or get off the point now.

Troy asked you a very valid question.

He asked could you PROVE that I'm lying about my identity....you need to put up or SHUT UP.

I took it a step further and asked you to prove where I've lied about ANYTHING except for promising not to communicate with your crazy ass...lol.

I try not to, but I feel more damage may be done simply ignoring your nonsense and letting It go unchecked than by challenging it.

And that picture of Earl Graves wasn't "lying" because not only did I never say that was me...I VOLUNTARILY said it wasn't without even being asked.
I've used SEVERAL images that weren't mine like Marcus Garvey's picture.
 

 

 

So now you have TWO things to apologize for:

1. Insulting my mother.
A woman who's done absolutely NOTHING to you!

2. Attempting to slander me or raise suspicions about me unjustly.

You WILL apologize!

 

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47 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, but he's been posting a lot of anti-Semitic bullshit about Jews and Israel that he either KNOWS or SHOULD KNOW may get this site flagged by those who monitor for such things.

 

NOW, that's an interesting statement coming from you. I'm sure we know who runs the show in American, influence, and control people. I'M A BLACK MAN; as I've stated before, in no uncertain terms; fu*k anti-semitism, Jews, Whites, and you too, for good measure. That does not place me in the same boat of liars as you. Besides, Jews succeeded in make it a felony crime to insult Jews, still recognized at only the university level while insulting Black folk is a legal requirement for you and yours. And people such as yourself who fail to recognize when you've been insulted. 

  

This site is open for all valid opinions, mainly Black literature, Black issues, and affairs related to Black folk; not especially Jewish affairs. I'm sure Troy would support that statement of purpose. 

Troy's question was asked and answered:

 

"[T]he fact he refused to disclose verifiable information about himself indicate a subtle dishonesty, especially when he could have simply said nothing and let everyone assume he is who he pertains to be. That, coupled with suspicious statements complicit of flawed depictions of Black folk, duplicitous sense of bonding with members here, and of course Pioneer1's die-hard insistence of rejection of scientific facts favorable to Black folk, social and economic injustices, etc.  suggest a subtle liar among us. His points of view are interesting, nonetheless, if for nothing more than another point to consider." MAKES YOU A LIAR, in my opion.

 

25 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

He asked could you PROVE that I'm lying about my identity....you need to put up or SHUT UP.

 

Impossible! No one knows your true identity!

 

26 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You WILL apologize!

 

 

Maybe I will apologize one day, but I seriously doubt it.

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K2


Impossible! No one knows your true identity!


Lol....yet another lie.
Because I KNOW my true identity.

Furthermore, if YOU don't know my "true identity" then you're CONFIRMING the fact that you're a damn liar because you said I was:

1. White.
2. Gay
3. Troll
4. Mason

So since you....FINALLY.....admit you don't know what the hell you're talking about, then you're admitting that you LIED on me!




 

NOW, that's an interesting statement coming from you. I'm sure we know who runs the show in American, influence, and control people...... . Besides, Jews succeeded in make it a felony crime to insult Jews,


Fool, didn't you say you LIVED IN ISRAEL?

Who do you think are running things where YOU live?


K2.....stop smoking that "K2"....lol.

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29 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Furthermore, if YOU don't know my "true identity" then you're CONFIRMING the fact that you're a damn liar because you said I was:

1. White.
2. Gay
3. Troll
4. Mason

 

My accusatios were not definitive but speculative, if it makes you feel better. That does not mean I lied.

 

29 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Fool, didn't you say you LIVED IN ISRAEL?

Who do you think are running things where YOU live?


K2.....stop smoking that "K2"....lol.

 

Jews run things here, but only I RUN ME, and invite the consequences of my views. Also, not smoking anything, that shit's not allowed here. You're reaching for points, in the air that does not exist. Man. Have some dignity!!!

 

Before I apologize to you, you're going to apologize to everyone on this site for not disclosing your true identity. Then, and only then will I apologize for calling your mamma an irreputed trilop; they're just degress of insults. I dare you to accept it.

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Troy asks: "Now, I pose the question to you K2; How can you be so certain that Pioneer is lying? "

 

K2 answered: "Impossible! No one.... "



ALRIGHT THEN!

Now shut the fuck up and go watch Lebron get down....lol.

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WHATEVER, man, woman, mason, gay, JUST WHATEVER!

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

go watch Lebron get down....lol.

 

Not into that past-time. For the last time - have some dignity. Please!!!!  Dignity is all you have left. I think.

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8 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

All true, brother Troy, anybody can lie, in fact everybody claiming to be a Homo Slepian is a liar, to hear me tell about it. Means and motives illustrate the nature of a lie. That's with the verbal or written lies, though. 

 

Coming from a strict mother I learned to lie a very young age. Got good at too. Enjoyed both advantage and suffered retribution for those lies. And I'll lie to you, but not myself. Anddefinitely, not live it. 

 

People to live lies are the most dishonest because a person who can live a lie are usually comfortable with dishonestylike lying about one's identity, deceiving self - develop an instinct to lie to others, naturally. Pioneer1 does, indeed, express himself, not in some malinformed or ignorant opion, but deliberatly offering information (even) he knows is false and misleading. The only question I have is, WHY? This my opinion and I welcome intelligible argument to the contrary.

 

Which begs the question why you never researched Pioneer1, but considering uncertainty of who he is, it understandable. Thanks for checking me out!

 

 

 

:mellow:    Interesting......very interesting choice of words.

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And I stand by every word. Now that your brand slogan's been called out as you know nothing of Black affairs and might even be anti-Black; your denial of scientific facts with not nothing but congecture to support your views. Your falsehoods and impersonation has been exposed, your life on this site is a lie, and probably you whole life is a lie; you now demonstrate that you have no dignity either.  Please continue to share.

 

Pioneer1: I noticed you replaced your fake avatar with a 'spiral' symbolic image; are we now to believe you represent evolution, life, consciousness and creation? Don't you ever give-up, Pinocchio? Isn't that some Freemason shit?

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24 minutes ago, Kalexander2 said:

And I stand by every word.

 

Pioneer1: I noticed you replaced your fake avatar with a 'spiral' symbolic image; are we now to believe you represent evolution, life, consciousness and creation? Don't you ever give-up, Pinocchio?



Well atleast you know your symbols and what they mean....I'll give you that much.

And since you stand by EVERY word you wrote.......

Thanks for CONFIRMING that you consider yourself a good liar AND that you'll lie to others as your post clearly says.
 

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18 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well atleast you know your symbols and what they mean....I'll give you that much.

 

I'm sure anyone here, everyone here knows what the spiral symbol means. Which has little to do with what you represent. Actually. And yes, that's true, I lie better than most people. Certainly better than you. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT?

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12 minutes ago, Kalexander2 said:

 

I'm sure anyone here, everyone here knows what the spiral symbol means. Which has little to do with what you represent. Actually. And yes, that's true, I lie better than most people. Certainly better than you. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT?


I believe.......

That......YOU SIR......have just proven my case and cleared my name!

;)  Thank you.

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OOOKAY then!!!  What's your name again?

12 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I believe.......

That......YOU SIR......have just proven my case and cleared my name!

 

OOOKAY then!!!  What's your name again? My name "Kalexande' short for Kenneth Alexander!

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Valued social relationships versus individuality, where deception and truth merge and differentiated: From A Black Perspective. 

 

A published, 2008, research suggests that deceptive communication can serve a functional purpose. The study revealed that a person's motivation to deceive is influenced by his or her/his cultural self-identity [and] that one's cultural identity greatly influences whether a message was perceived to be deceptive. 

 

The research points out that: 

 

-- People who strongly valued their own individuality over the social relationships reported having a lower overall motivation to deceive;  

 

-- People who possessed cultural self-identities which emphasize placing group needs over the individual reported having a greater overall motivation to avoid telling the truth; 

 

-- When people were presented with a scenario in which deception would serve to benefit them, those who valued their independence were more willing to use deception than in cases where deception would benefit someone else; 

 

-- People who valued social relationships over individuality, reported a greater willingness to use deception to benefit others rather than for self-serving purposes; 

 

Western cultures have long been noted to cultivate members who value their individuality. Being a moral and ethical person requires avoiding any communication that would jeopardize one's own personal integrity, such as lying. 

 

By comparison, East Asian cultures have been well-known for endorsing more indirect styles of communication to protect the image of the other and promote trouble-free relationships. Deceptive communication has and continues to serve as a useful tool in the maintenance and preservation of significant social relationships. 

 

[Adversely, false identities (about one-self) can throw off and muddle 'well intended' sitesDeceivers of identity are of low moral; impostures, the main form of self-deception involves unreflective acceptance of belief(s) that impartial inspection would readily expose as spurious (ideas, principles, and aims) in the instance of lying to one's self, to deceive others; arises from the failure (or refusal) to analyze appealing ides of others from the perspective of the generalized other which we acquire through participation in the universe of rational discourse. This perspective rejects the two most prevalent explanations of self-deception - namely, Sigmund Freud's psychoanalytic interpretation and Jean-Paul Sartre's phenomenological one - I provide a brief sketch of some of Dewey's and Mead's fundamental insights into the inherently social nature of mind. In a much longer analysis.] 

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@Pioneer1 I'm not suspicious of your identity, I just can't prove your identity. There is a difference. 

 

Again, I take you at your word. Any previous inquires regarding you being a gay white Mason were purely in jest. 

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Me too, brother Troy, 'conjecture' is quite different from suspicion. Though my persoanal right to be suspicious Pioneer1's motive's are not as vicious as he make them out to be. 

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Pioneer1: last month I recieved bank/direct deposits in access of $23,000, has been that way for the past 2-years, expecting more in coming months, not counting retirement/pension. Even if you knew my social security, passport, drivers lic information. I'm cool with it because you can do me no harm. 

 

I don't care what people say, think of me because they can do nothing for me, I'm satisfied with what I have. NOW, just how sure are you that I'll apologize for something intentionally meant to say, what in the fu*k can your poverty stricken, scwany little butt do to me? 

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