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1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

One significant advantage of operating your own platform is that I can not get "cancelled."  I can say whatever I want, and so can you

 

I suspect THIS fact is the REAL reason so many sisters don't feel comfortable on this discussion board.
It's moderated by a Black man.

 

 

You need to stop generalizing (this isn't the first time you've said this). Every board I've ever... lurked (lol).... has had men moderators. One board had a woman owner with male moderators. Even when half the brothers on the board -- led by one of her male moderators -- were glorifying beating women down who 'mouthed off' to men, up to and including posting videos of athletes beating women (most were outraged that Jay Z did clock his sister-in-law in the elevator), she didn't intervene, much less ban them. 

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2 hours ago, Guest FAS said:

I've read The Destruction of Black Civilization by Dr. Chancellor Williams. I don't recall ANYTHING in it where Dr. Williams talks about mulattos and "mixed"

 

Lol @daniellegfny is prone to refer to sources which don't support his position.  I was about to say something cause that sounded weird to me, but it has been years since I read the book.

 

 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Troy said:

 I was about to say something cause that sounded weird to me, but it has been years since I read the book.

 

Likewise. I remembered the big stuff, like ancient Africans practiced "communalism" (I think that's the word) as opposed to Capitalism or Communism, but not too many details - which is why I posted the review from am*zon. 

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2 hours ago, Guest FAS said:

Even when half the brothers on the board -- led by one of her male moderators -- were glorifying beating women down who 'mouthed off' to men, up to and including posting videos of athletes beating women (most were outraged that Jay Z did clock his sister-in-law in the elevator), she didn't intervene, much less ban them. 

That’s truly unacceptable behavior. Why aren’t there more women board owners?

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FAS

 

I want to get out of this thread - bad! But -you love to argue, lol.

 

 

 

 

 I don't recall ANYTHING in it where Dr. Williams talks about mulattos and "mixed" (whatever that is) groups helping whites to rule any full-blooded dark majorities.

 

I have the book in storage but not in my residence and it's been years since I've read it however while I try to find the actual book ONLINE here are some exerpts from it:

 

 

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Since the first to be called Egyptians exclusively were half-African and half-Asian, their general hostility to their mothers’ race was a social phenomenon that should not be passed over lightly . . . . Its nature is essentially opportunist, a quest for security, recognition and advancement by identifying with and becoming a part of the new power elite of the conquerors. . . . 


First of all, they were mainly the sons and daughters of white European-Asian fathers. These fathers recognized them as such and, in general, proudly. And since they claimed superiority over the Africans, their half-African offsprings considered themselves to be a superior breed also. These Afro- Asian offsprings were given preferential treatment, positions of authority, wealth according to the status of their patrilineal family, and an education that could draw on Asian cultures as well as the highly advanced African civilization in Upper Egypt and southwards to the ‘Land of the Gods’. 

 

To prove how truly Asian they were, the mixed Egyptians made hatred of Africans a ritual, and tried to surpass the whites in raiding for the slaves in all-African areas. Various Afro-Eurasians who became Egyptian kings declared ‘eternal warfare’ against the Blacks and vowed to enslave the entire race.

 

Relying wholly on the emerging concept of innate superiority of Europeans and Asians, these people everywhere created a class system that made their bastard offsprings superior to all Blacks, and in status next below themselves.

 

 

Chancellor Williams, The Destruction of Black Civilization: Great Issues of a Race From 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D.

https://www.balanta.org/history/african-historians-speak-on-the-collective-mulatto-problem

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mulattos in South Africa rule the dark-skinned majority? Who and when? 

 

When the Boers and other Caucasians came to Azania (renamed "South Africa" by Satan)  they found it populated mostly be Zulus, Shona, and San people.
They raped the women and produced a group of mixed people called "Coloured" and eventually instituted a system called Apartheid  similar to the Jim Crow of America which established a 3 tier society:

The Caucasians on top.
The Coloured (mixed race) in the middle.
The African majority on the bottom.

And South Africa remains that way defaco to this very day.

 

 

 

 

And in Mexico, as well? How do you figure?
 

No.
Mulattos weren't a huge population in Mexico.  
Meztizos were.  
Which is kind of like a Mulatto but with Native Americans instead of Africans.

Meztizos were used by the Spanish to rule the darker Native American Mexicans.

 


Whenever there's not enough "pure" Caucasians to rule over a land, they'll draft up the Mulattos and Metzizos to help them rule over the full-blooded.

 

 

 

 

Troy

 

Lol @daniellegfny is prone to refer to sources which don't support his position.

 

She was talking to me, not Daniel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Daniel

 

Why aren’t there more women board owners?

 

Lol, why aren't there more women owners of ANYTHING?

 

Because old fashioned Republican Conservatives REALLY don't believe a woman's "place" is in the position of ownership or any other position of authority, but that of an obedient house wife.
Like the Leave It To Beaver Days.

 

That's what America would look like if Mike Pence had his way.
 

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44 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Same "difference".
The point is sometimes discrimination and division is NECESSARY.

If you don’t understand the distinction you don’t understand what he was talking about.

 

This center I call “ACCURATE THINKING” – the Eleventh (11th) Principle of the 17 principles of Individual Achievement by Napoleon Hill. This Principle is the foundation of all successful achievement. It analyzes the power of the human mind and is one of the profound subjects of Napoleon Hill Philosophy with the key to the secret of all successes and all failures. Accurate Thinking is the mental process that enables us to identify that which is TRUE and RELEVANT. “
 

https://www.naphill.org/focus-instructors/accurate-thinking/

32 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Because old fashioned Republican Conservatives REALLY don't believe a woman's "place" is in the position of ownership or any other position of authority, but that of an obedient house wife.

Wrong answer no one stops women in this realm but themselves. It really doesn’t matter to me because I see women dominating other areas and it may be a question of niches. 

BTW the author of the Napoleon Hill article is a Black Nigerian Woman.

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Daniel

 

I know EXACTLY what he was talking about because I think ACCURATELY.

 


Accurate Thinking is the mental process that enables us to identify that which is TRUE and RELEVANT

 

That's not true.
Accurate thinking is an important skill but it will NOT necessarily help you identify what is true.

People can accurately quote the Bible or a Legal Deposition...doesn't mean what they're accurately quoting is true.
 

I doubt that Mr. Hill (being an accurate thinker also) even wrote this.

Infact, I don't even remember him writing a book called "17 Principles of Achievement".
A lot of these books and weird philosophies that have been attributed to him came AFTER his death in 1970.
 

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Also in many African Societies women have held leadership roles. You are transposing European ideology on African Traditions which where both matriarchal and matrilineal. 

1 minute ago, Pioneer1 said:

That's not true.
Accurate thinking is an important skill but it will NOT necessarily help you identify what is true.

You are using Accurate in the sense of mimicking. He, she and I are using it in the meaning of true.

Example an accurate shot is one which is a true shot.

The way you are using the word would be the movie is an accurate depiction of the book.

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Also in many African Societies women have held leadership roles. 
 

And the grass is green.....
And the sky is blue.....


Ok, now tell me something that I DON'T know.

 

 

 

 

You are transposing European ideology on African Traditions which where both matriarchal and matrilineal. 
 

What the HECK are you talking about?????






You are using Accurate in the sense of mimicking. He, she and I are using it in the meaning of true.

Example an accurate shot is one which is a true shot.The way you are using the word would be the movie is an accurate depiction of the book.


Merriam-Webster Definition of accuracy:

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1: freedom from mistake or error : CORRECTNESS
checked the novel for historical accuracy

2a: conformity to truth or to a standard or model : EXACTNESS
impossible to determine with accuracy the number of casualties
b: degree of conformity of a measure to a standard or a true value

— compare PRECISION entry 1 sense 2a
 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accuracy 

 


It appears that we BOTH may be correct (accurate...lol) since there seems to be atleast two differing definitions for this one word.

My idea of accuracy was precision and exactness....yours seems to be the conformity to truth.

This is just an example of how TRICKY and DEVILISH White Supremacists are with their language and how it can cause UNNECESSARY fighting and division among our people.

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Grass can be brown, white, yellow, red and Blue.

Sky can be red, yellow and black. 
 

I said THE grass.
I said THE sky.
 

The definite article "the" specifies a PARTICULAR subject (to ensure accuracy).

I was talking about a PARTICULAR grass and sky.

.....since you like to play word games and run down rabbit holes.

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35 minutes ago, Troy said:

You posted a review kn am*zon, but not here 😞

Who are you talking about?

16 hours ago, Troy said:

Lol @daniellegfny is prone to refer to sources which don't support his position.  I was about to say something cause that sounded weird to me, but it has been years since I read the book.

You love attempting to diminish my statements. Here are two additional sources which support my statement 

https://www.balanta.org/history/african-historians-speak-on-the-collective-mulatto-problem

 

 

https://medium.com/@gopetca/biracial-people-have-been-used-to-destroy-black-people-throughout-history-at-least-since-the-time-7ea99fe2a342

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3 hours ago, daniellegfny said:


Daniel........

Actually I AGREE with you!

However I don't recall you mentioning that mixed people have historically been used by the White Supremacists to help dominate and control the darker masses.
That is my position....but I thought you OPPOSED that belief and thought it was divisive.

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20 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

She was talking to me, not Daniel.

 

You do it too LOL!

 

6 hours ago, daniellegfny said:

Who are you talking about?

 

21 hours ago, Guest FAS said:

...which is why I posted the review from am*zon. 

 

Keep up @daniellegfny

 

 

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On 10/25/2020 at 4:51 PM, Pioneer1 said:

 

Since the first to be called Egyptians exclusively were half-African and half-Asian, their general hostility to their mothers’ race was a social phenomenon that should not be passed over lightly . . . . Its nature is essentially opportunist, a quest for security, recognition and advancement by identifying with and becoming a part of the new power elite of the conquerors. . . . 


First of all, they were mainly the sons and daughters of white European-Asian fathers. These fathers recognized them as such and, in general, proudly. And since they claimed superiority over the Africans, their half-African offsprings considered themselves to be a superior breed also. These Afro- Asian offsprings were given preferential treatment, positions of authority, wealth according to the status of their patrilineal family, and an education that could draw on Asian cultures as well as the highly advanced African civilization in Upper Egypt and southwards to the ‘Land of the Gods’. 

 

To prove how truly Asian they were, the mixed Egyptians made hatred of Africans a ritual, and tried to surpass the whites in raiding for the slaves in all-African areas. Various Afro-Eurasians who became Egyptian kings declared ‘eternal warfare’ against the Blacks and vowed to enslave the entire race.

 

Relying wholly on the emerging concept of innate superiority of Europeans and Asians, these people everywhere created a class system that made their bastard offsprings superior to all Blacks, and in status next below themselves.”

 

 

Chancellor Williams, The Destruction of Black Civilization: Great Issues of a Race From 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D.

https://www.balanta.org/history/african-historians-speak-on-the-collective-mulatto-problem

 

 

 I have a prob with the above. I checked out your link. A lot of the linked material you deleted from your post, e.g., your 2nd paragraph does not contain the highlighted part below from the link, and it's hard to separate the author-presenter's opinions from Dr. Williams' text:

 

 

Since the first to be called Egyptians exclusively were half-African and half-Asian, their general hostility to their mothers’ race was a social phenomenon that should not be passed over lightly . . . . Its nature is essentially opportunist, a quest for security, recognition and advancement by identifying with and becoming a part of the new power elite of the conquerors. . . .

Blacks who did not choose to flee south but remained under Asian rule, even if enslaved, worked harder to gain recognition and acceptance than any other group. [Siphiwe note: think of the Civil Rights movement in the United States]. 

 

Btw, nothing in the link talks about mulattoes "ruling over full-blooded darker majorities." It refers to "good jobs" and black self-hate, not "ruling over anyone." But, I'm only skeptical; not dismissing. Still, even if accurate (?), it is as I wrote, you minimalize the scope, the grandeur, the historical importance  of "Destruction" when you focus on an N-word ain't ish "admonition". Mulattoes who are accepted by their fathers (certainly not a cultural/historical parallel to U.S. mulattoes) is NOT what the book is about. Those full-blooded dark Africans is what the book is about.

 

 

On 10/25/2020 at 4:51 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Mulattos in South Africa rule the dark-skinned majority? Who and when? 

 

When the Boers and other Caucasians came to Azania (renamed "South Africa" by Satan)  they found it populated mostly be Zulus, Shona, and San people.
They raped the women and produced a group of mixed people called "Coloured" and eventually instituted a system called Apartheid  similar to the Jim Crow of America which established a 3 tier society:

The Caucasians on top.
The Coloured (mixed race) in the middle.
The African majority on the bottom.

And South Africa remains that way defaco to this very day.

 

 

Uh, everybody knows about the Coloured of South Africa. Most people know they do not now, and have NEVER wielded power over any "full-blooded dark South Africans." You talked about rule, running it, not miscegenation. This is why I asked "who and when?" The world is full of trick babies. So what if the parents are of different races? Almost every country in the world - except the peculiar institution in the U.S. where white fathers took no responsibility for their mulatto offspring - there is black, white, and usually a whole BUNCHA "coloured" of differing degrees (equivalent to "our" mulatto, quadroon, octoroon, etc.). Even in the U.S., we learned as little kids the chant: "If you're white, you're all right. If you're brown, stick around. If you're black step back." NO mulatto has ever ruled ANYTHING in South Africa to this very day, de facto OR de jure. A couple privileges, maybe, but rulers? Uh uh.

 

On 10/25/2020 at 4:51 PM, Pioneer1 said:

 

And in Mexico, as well? How do you figure?
 

No.
Mulattos weren't a huge population in Mexico.  
Meztizos were.  
Which is kind of like a Mulatto but with Native Americans instead of Africans.

Meztizos were used by the Spanish to rule the darker Native American Mexicans.

 


Whenever there's not enough "pure" Caucasians to rule over a land, they'll draft up the Mulattos and Metzizos to help them rule over the full-blooded.

 

Mulattos were never a 'huge' population of Mexico, which is why I couldn't figure out why you'd say they "ruled" anybody. As for Mestizos, they'll have to work it out. Ain't my business.

 

As for "Whenever there's not enough "pure" Caucasians to rule over a land, they'll draft up the Mulattos and Metzizos to help them rule over the full-blooded."

 

True dat. All you have to do is to look at the U.S. India Indians are considered to be "white" in the U.S. Arabs, no matter their complexion, are considered to be white. Lots of ethnics darker than you and me are considered to be white in the U.S. This is how TPTB keep up the pretense they are the majority race. Unlike South Africa and Brazil (and other places), we live in a TWO-tired country of whites and "the other", i.e.,  black people. You're either black or white and there are soooo many perks to being white (look at your passage above ...lol) that most of the "darker-skinned" ethnicities eagerly claim they're "white." Prime example - San Antonio, Texas. I've been to San Antonio. Imagine my surprise when I look at a census report that says over 80% of the Tex-Mex community are white. I couldn't believe my eyes, WTF?? Then I noticed a strange breakdown: 80.5% reported themselves as white, but only 14% of the population claimed to be white with NO hispanic heritage. In short, the majority "Indios" I remember, still live there. With their brown skin, moon faces, heavy black hair and Chinese-slanted eyes, they just call themselves "white."

 

One last thing: While plenty of full-blooded blacks in the U.S. have betrayed their fellow African-Americans on a grand or national scale (Clarence 'Uncle" Thomas comes immediately to mind) no mulatto has. Ex., during the Civil Rights Movement, it was the "full-blooded blacks" of Mississippi who spied on and betrayed the Movement to Southern racists; don't know how many helped, but not one mulatto betrayed. Conversely, when Marcus Garvey wanted to start up the Black Star Line, whites refused to sell him any ship. It was a light-skinned mulatto passing for white, who secured the flagship, Yarmouth, for the UNIA. And the operative word is "passed" for with the possible exception of the Arab world, no mulatto class has ever ruled over anyone, anywhere, 

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On 10/25/2020 at 4:51 PM, Pioneer1 said:

 

Lol @daniellegfny is prone to refer to sources which don't support his position.

 

She was talking to me, not Daniel.

    

 

When yo momma join this thread, nigga?

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I retract my last statement. People like Pioneer, long on feelings and short on form, argue; I point-counterpoint debate. Rather than be drawn into his chaotic, street corner brawling - I'm one of those college-educated brothers raised in the hood (unlike him ...lol) - I'll be true to myself and just go back to lurking. 

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14 hours ago, Guest FAS said:

    

 

When yo momma join this thread, nigga?


1. First...DO NOT refer to my Mother or Father or any other ancestor of mine in an irreverent manner.
They aren't part of this discussion so keep them OUT of the discussion!


2. Second, what the fuck are you talking about????

 

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