Thousands may soon be evicted in NYC

[Stefan]

Armageddon has come for hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers who rent their apartments and who lost their jobs du ring this Pandemic. This is horrible and a human tragedy. 

My hope is that many get this news quickly and act on getting assistance immediately.

NYC Eviction Moratorium Has Expired

[ProfD]

Let's hope that humanity prevails and the moratorium gets reinstated especially for women, children and the elderly. There's no reason for them to be out on the street. 

[Stefan]

I do not think Humanity or concern for others will prevail.

NYC rental building landlords are a greedy, unprincipled and conscienceless lot. 

They have been waiting for this. 

[Delano]

I knew a group of  Japanese girls who named their band after their landlord. So not all landlord are evil

 

[Stefan]

If you say so, Delano. But I did zero in on apartment building landlords. 

[Mzuri]

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4 hours ago, Stefan said:

 

Armageddon has come for hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers who rent their apartments and who lost their jobs during this Pandemic. This is horrible and a human tragedy. 

 

 

 

I agree that it would be awful for all those people to 

be evicted from their homes.

 

If they didn't have the money to pay the rent where 

they're at, then how are they going to afford to move 

and rent a new place.  

 

Besides that, wouldn't all this show up on their credit 

report, barring them from a new rental?

 

I have been a homeowner for twenty years, so I am 

not familiar with the process of renting an apartment

these days.

 

Anyway, maybe Mayor Adams can do something about 

it, and avoid a major disaster.

 

Or maybe some of the world's richest people could setup 

a fund for the arrears.  I wonder how much rent is past 

due.

 

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[Stefan]

 

People of means coming to the rescue of New York City's unemployed, the about-to-be homeless and the poor? I doubt it.

The prevailing view of many (including a certain few on this very discussion forum), is that the poor, the under-educated and unemployed deserve their fate. I completely disagree. People from other states and those fortunate to have high paying jobs tend to look down on anyone trapped in cities such as New York, Atlanta and Philadelphia.

Just read their negative comments on the Webpages of any news organization, their news forums or listen to the broadcasts of arch-Conservative pundits. But the bottom line is workers in New York City lost so many jobs during the Pandemic, some pundits wondered if the city would ever recover.  

“From the start of the pandemic, no other large American city has been hit as hard as New York, or has struggled as much to replenish its labor force. Nearly a million people lost their jobs in the early months of the pandemic, and thousands of businesses closed” according to the New York Times. (Link provided). 

 

“As the city plunged into its worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, the unemployment rate skyrocketed, peaking in June 2020 at 20 percent. Nearly every industry — from construction to finance to social services — has fewer people employed now than before the pandemic swept into New York in March 2020,” the Times said.

 

The bottom line is that thousands upon thousands of New Yorkers lost their jobs, had their work hours cut and did without many items for months during this pandemic. 
 

"The statisticians closed the books Thursday on the jobs lost in New York City in 2020: 631,000, the largest one-year decline since reliable statistics began being compiled after World War II," according to Greg David in a March 2021 story published in The City, a non-profit digital newspaper that covers the goings-on in New York City.
 

"The damage has been so great that local experts on the city’s economy see a difficult effort over several years to regain those positions, whose loss has brought pain to legions on top of a COVID-19 death toll that just passed 30,000, hitting the most vulnerable New Yorkers hardest," David said in his news story. 

Read that quote again. He said the city's MOST VULNERABLE. 

I am from NYC and lived in an apartment whose rent increases were supposedly covered by New York State Rent Regulations. But these rules are often ignored by landlords and politicians normally back their plays. 

But there was one politician who made no secret of standing up to greedy landlords. And that politician was former New York State Governor Ellio Spitzer. Soon after taking the oath, Spitzer vetoed a bill pushed by landlords to force tenants to pay the costs of lead abatement. Even though lead has been known to permanently damage the brains of children, for decades landlords refused to stop using lead-based paints. 

According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency: "Lead abatement is an activity designed to permanently eliminate lead-based paint hazards. Abatement is sometimes ordered by a state or local government, and can involve specialized techniques not typical of most residential contractors."

Greedy landlords all over New York State refused to pay for this work. They wanted tenants to do so. Spitzer waited until he won the Governor's mansion and then promptly lowered the boom on landlords by vetoing that lead abatement costs bill. And the fear was - Spitzer would continue supporting tenants and aiding the poor. 

For the rich and for landlords - Eliot Spitzer was the Devil. And he had to go.

So his enemies used his personal predilection for paying pretty women to have sex to get rid of him. Now, there's no one in NY State government who will stand up for tenants who have to deal with no heat in winter, lack of repairs and outright harassment in the form of targeted evictions. Just remember Trump fans, your hero hired porn stars. 

The expiration of this Eviction Moratorium is manna from heaven for most landlords. 

The rich coming to the rescue of the poor and the long suffering? Nope they don't even want to pay their share of taxes. The only folks who matter to many wealthy or Conservatives - are themselves.

NYC has not recovered from Pandemic job losses

[Troy]

Not all landlords are greedy some are just regular people who hold mortgages -- that must be paid -- on properties they are renting out.

 

That said NYC has set themselves up for this they provided tax inceptives to wealthy people to by property for investment purposes -- These properties are kept off the market and never lived in.

 

The amount of affordable housing created is shameful given the number of people requiring it.

 

If you are evicted or even get a notice, good luck finding an apartment again.  Corporate management companies will file paperwork and send you an eviction notice if you are a week late on your rent -- even if you pay before your court date!  

 

You don't want to get evicted in NYC

 

I was both a home owner and renter in NYC.  May last apartment's rent was $2,900 a month and my rent went up $100 a year like clock work. When I left the new lease was $3,700 a month not including utilities!  As a home owner it cost me almost $86K to move into my house.  Both of these properties were in Harlem.

 

New York City's housing is insane and honestly it was the primary reason I left.  

[Delano]

3 hours ago, Troy said:

 May last apartment's rent was $2,900 a month and my rent went up $100 a year like clock work. 

I believe a 3% mean s your apartment was rent stabilised. Commercial property has no such cap on increases. 

 

The problem for me was my income stayed the same for a decade.

 

So even though my rent was low in 1997, apartment was becoming unaffordable.

[Stefan]

This is exactly what I have talking about, Delano. 

I really like Troy. He writes extremely well and never resorts to personal attacks. And I always hoped that his book selling Website would generate enough advertising dollars to be so viable, he could offer his family the best there is. 

But I am talking about greedy landlords of multiple apartment properties, not owners of private homes or buildings partially paid by government programs or other financial aid. 

[Stefan]

Troy,

I am taking apples and you are discussing oranges. I never agreed with tax abatements for the wealthy. 

And it was not the entirety of New York City that welcomed them either.

It was just certain politicians, most of whom were connected to titans in the real industry. New York City did not set itself up - crooked politicians such as Ed Koch, Rudy Giuliani and Mike Bloomberg destroyed the lives of the average apartment renter in New York City. Bill de Blasio didn't help. He simply looked the other way.

Rather than be specific, you paint this issue with a broad brush. Not all NYC mayors agreed with tax abatements for the rich. Dinkins certainly didn't.

So the city, as a whole, did not set itself up. Tenants never went along with this billion dollar tax giveaway. The wealthy did.

But New York State Governor Kathy Hochul wants to do something about. She wants to end the tax abatement program. 

NYS Governor wants to end tax breaks for developers

[richardmurray]

NYC's real estate model is near perfect. The engine of the real estate value is a set of globally rich people who have statistic proof that in five years anything bought in NYC will yield a large profit aside a set of evaluation schemes that can only go up. Sequentially, this drives all real estate value in NYC up. The real estate industry in NYC though dominated by white jews, has people of all phenotypical/linguistic/geographic/age races making money off of it. LAstly, many if not most people in NYC, have never been able to gather in an effort to end the real estate industry's control of the city and thus the relationship to rent. 

[Stefan]

RichardMurray,

I completely disagree with your take on New York City's real estate market. 

The evil truth, (because it's no longer sad) is that vicious, unconscionable and greedy landlords are still tossing tenants into the street even after receiving millions in back rent.

What part of the latest economic crisis among the working poor still hasn't ended don't most people get?

Landlords still evicting tenants after receiving rental aid

[richardmurray]

@Stefan the truth is never evil or good. Humans react to the truth in varying ways. 

I oppose all of your assertions outside of two: a viciousness does exists in NYC, landlords are kicking people out of homes even after they received some back rent. 

All I can say to the landlords actions is the consistency in NYC from them, for hundreds of years in that way. If the question is how to stop a centuries old tradition. I offer that pulpit for any to take on. 

To visciousness , NYC has always been a city of many faults, many problems. The question is, what is to be considered acceptable in financial activity outside of making profit, when an activity is only meant for profit? I offer that pulpit. 

[Troy]

On 1/31/2022 at 1:27 PM, Stefan said:

So the city, as a whole, did not set itself up. Tenants never went along with this billion dollar tax giveaway. The wealthy did.

 

You get no argument from me on this.

 

On 1/31/2022 at 12:23 PM, Delano said:

believe a 3% mean s your apartment was rent stabilised.

 

There was technical term that described a cap on my rent increases, but despite that $1,200 annual increases were unsustainable.  Should I consider Australia?

 

On 1/31/2022 at 1:04 PM, Stefan said:

always hoped that his book selling Website would generate enough advertising dollars to be so viable,

 

From your keyboard to God's ears.

 

At the end of the day the situation looks pretty dire in NYC as far as middle to low income renters are concerned. 

   

[Stefan]

Troy,

 

The situation looks dire all across this planet as another ego-driven world leader is about to unleash his vicious vengeance upon the world.

I knew diplomacy would not work on Putin. Bullies with the upper hand rarely heed  reason. This coming invasion of Ukraine has the potential to erupt into a widet war, either by design or by mistake. A million civilians could end up being killed, injured or driven from their homes.

Meanness spreads across the U.S. as the poor to the middle income lose their jobs, have their hours cut, their benefits slashed and face eviction and the horror of living in cars, shelters or the streets.

And malcontented Whites, too selfish to get vaccinated or even wear a facemask to better protect the elderly, the ill, the disabled and the most vulnerable, plot mini-insurrections by supporting trucker blockades and protests against Black authors, Black entertainment and Black history. What's next, laying siege to hospitals and healthcare facilities over their anti-vaxxer animus?

It is a shame that we have to put up with never ending White Rage - over nothing but a belief they're losing control and have to live with less clout. 

 

[Delano]

5 hours ago, Troy said:

Should I consider Australia?

Come for a visit you might stay. That's what happened to me.

[Pioneer1]

Thousands are being evicted around the nation every day.

Emergency measures to help people out during the pandemic ended too soon and the Democrats and so-called "Progressive" politicians aren't fighting enough to extend those programs let alone increase them.
It was a disaster bound to happen.

As more people are getting sick and the deaths are increasing....instead of countering the Republican leadership who wants to just throw Americans out into the workforce and increase as much production as possible not caring how many Americans die in the process....the Democrat leadership are COMPLICIT with this position.

Most grass roots Progressives not only support the maintenance and extension of the old moratoriums against eviction, but they also supported an extension of the Unemployment benefits as well as keeping much of the society shut down to slow down this virus.
But Biden and the upper echalon of the Democrat Party....who are really Republicans....let them collapse and now you see the result.
The virus has sky rocketed and so have the deaths and disabilities.
 

[Stefan]

Pioneer1,

Give it up with blaming Democrats and Progressives for every sin and ill. The blame for tenant evictions lies squarely on GREED.

Apparently, you want to conveniently forget all the trillion dollar tax cuts for the rich.

Those were actually taxpayer donations to the wealthy.
 

[Troy]

@Delano I may taker you up on that...

 

@Pioneer1 and @Stefan you make good points. All you have to do is appeal to people's emotions and fears, then truth, reason, and compassion for other becomes irrelevant.

 

So what can be done about it besides running away to Australia?

[Stefan]

NPR: Rents and home prices are rising sharply

The problem is not that thousands of tenants face eviction in New York City. It's that millions of renters across the country have seen their rents skyrocket due to avarice. And many tenants simply cannot afford to pay those higher rents. 

This means many tenants will find themselves without any funds left over for medicine, transportation to work and food. So, what are they supposed to feed themselves and their families - air?

And this has little to do with Ukraine because Russia's invasion of has not yet begun. Even though Vladimir Putin has sent Russian troops into Ukrainian provinces where the majority of the populace favors rules by the Kremlin - that is not a military invasion. It's simply a pretext in hopes an incident erupts for which Putin can blame Ukraine.

In the meantime, pump prices for gas and diesel fuel have risen. Multi-apartment building owners have used the coming invasion as an excuse to claim heating oil and gas prices have gone through the roof. Which is a laugh in states that experience cold weather. Because landlords in big cities in those states are known for traditionally refusing to give adequate heat in wintertime.

And despite pocketing millions in federal funds for relief, landlords who claim they lost money during the pandemic are still finding ways to evict tenants who simply ran out of money because of lost jobs, slashed hours, illness and other personal emergencies. 

Don't believe me? Check out this story:

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/landlords-finding-ways-evict-rental-aid-82826554

 

Why is this happening? One word that unconscionable folks cherish above all others: GREED

This is why for many renters, their chances of surviving the next few months with minimum damage to their psyche, health and finances is about the same for hundreds of thousands of citizens of Ukraine - slim.

 

 

[Troy]

One of my kids got a Con Ed (NYC Utility company) for over $400 -- for a small studio apt!  She said there was an across the board hike.  So it is not just rents.

[ProfD]

36 minutes ago, Troy said:

One of my kids got a Con Ed (NYC Utility company) for over $400 -- for a small studio apt!  She said there was an across the board hike.  So it is not just rents.

If Con Ed is anything like my utility company, they will claim "weather" events caused the hike. 

[Stefan]

@Troy

That ridiculously exorbitant Con Ed bill is based on what? Anticipated power use and a hefty deposit? 

I ask because when Ukrainian refugees start arriving in his country, I bet special financial allowances will be made for them. 

This happened for many Russian Jews. Vacant apartments suddenly materialized in Brooklyn and Queens and rents were suspiciously lowered, but not for long time NYC denizens.