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Nor were you trained in statistics It's obvious to everyone else. Am opinion is never wrong but it can be either uninformed or misinformed. Pioneer has hit the Daily Double.

This isn't quite right. Vision isn't like a camera. Visual perception can be effected by suggestion. Also we have a blind spot in our eyes where the light enters. However you brain fills in the missing scenery.

Is that really your take-away from the presentation. I did not listen to the entire thing, but it seems to me you have two men who seem truly committed to serving the people. Religion clearly was a big part of their lives and motivation.

What about people who have 20/10 vision, who can see thing people with 20/20 can't. How about eagles who can see thing now human can see? No problem I can admit when I'm wrong -- You can't learn otherwise. AGAIN we are not talking about liars or people trying to deceive -- set that aside. Why can't you just admit that your personal observation are worthless when compared to data collected in a poll and certainly a census? This should be obvious...

So, you have a problem with the means (data collection and distribution) because you believe they negatively affect the end (statistics). I don't think anyone can argue with you on that reasoning. I can only disagree that you can trust your eyes. You can't because people can cloak their physical abilities, mental abilities, and finances. Therefore, you can't accurately determine the unemployment rate of those people by observation. Also, using your criteria, you cannot physically observe who is "able-bodied" or if those people are employable. You can only trust your observation if you first check what the Labor Department is measuring, who they are collecting this information from, and how they distribute it to determine the results. However, observing a sample population, such as who is working and who is being counted in your neighborhood, will never get you to a correct answer. And while it may bring you comfort, how does it bring a solution?

Every word of the above quote is TRUE. Troy and I have remained friends for 20+ years, always kept in touch by email, bringing each other up to date, sending holiday greetings. At one time, we were even going to collaborate on a book about this site. When he came to Chicago for some kind of conference, we had a chance to meet and even took a picture together. We have disagreed about things on this discussion board but have never fallen out, never had cross words because he is "a cool guy. A gentleman and a scholar" as opposed to being a petty envious slime ball like pioneer who is desperate to maintain his fantasy about being something other than a dufus who I detest more with each passing day. Everything pioneer just posted here in his attempt to besmirch the friendship between Troy and me is, as usual, a made up LIE, not based on fact but malicious speculation being spread by a disgruntled wanna-be cool guy. I was stunned by the distorted version of why I simply stopped posting here as I do from time to time - because I simply become burnt out. The obnoxious gnat who is really trying to fool everybody is pioneer who cannot process the idea that there's NOTHING about him that I like. He wants everybody to think that when it comes to all the really cool guys who post here, my snubbing him was a mistake. It wasn't. OK back to the debate over pioneer's claims of perfect vision which, as everyone soon duscovers, only proves that he's nothing but a myopic strawman full of specious arguments reeking with false equivalences and non sequiturs. I could discern this even before I had my cataract surgery.

ProfD Still, I wouldn't be surprised if she's wearing spanx underneath that jumpsuit. DMX said...that's Ok...that's Alright...lol. I told you when it comes to women over a certain age I grade them on a CURVE. If a woman needs to shoe-horn on some spanx to wear under her clothes to feel good about her self and keep everything on her body pointing and moving in the same direction...lol....I wouldn't be mad at her for it. Later on that night we'll both be giggling at how all of that "goodness" is a-poppin' out like Pillsbury biscuits as she peels it off....lol.

There are two subtle ponts in your response. I am using uncommon knowledge which you may not be Cognizant. You are assuming I am wrong when you haven't understood what I said. Which circles back to my other point. It only took you a day to realise the statement I made was correct. That's a good turn around time This is almost impossible to do and not get caught. No I just have more of a dislike of ignorance. Yes for some people that is the case. A lot of instances before I post something il do a couple of searches to understand an issue from more than one perspective. So I have learnt a bit from some of the questions posted in the forum.

We go waaay back, Troy. You've always been a gentleman and a scholar; a really cool guy.

POTUS OJ has already shown himself to be a racist. Look no further than his administration dismantling Black history. They are renaming monuments and bringing back confederate relics. Also, POTUS OJ's administration is criminalizing Hispanic folks under the guise of being tough on immigration. They are mostly deporting young men. The only non-white people POTUS OJ deals with are those who are willing to kiss his azz and buy the BS he's selling. Black folks would be better served to stay out of his way. Let the clown and his circus self-destruct and/or blow through these 3 years with with a minimal amount of chaos and destruction.😎

That is one of the disciplines that studies the human brain and how it can be tricked, we are tricked every single day. Sometimes it’s deliberate and malicious other times was just the way it is. Accurate sight, that is purely a human construct. Different animals can see different wave lengths of light. The differences are just differences accurate is your construct. Going back to the image I shared you look directly at it and see two different colors, even by your own definition of accurate you perceive colors differently uncertain conditions — when you think that you don’t. You’re conflating things and muddling the argument. Of course statistical data can be misinterpreted or patterns can be over looked or seen when none exist, but we’re not talking about that…. Obviously. Haven’t you ever filled out the census? If so, you know they ask a variety of questions. . well, as high praise coming from you.

I find it amusing to observe the exchanges here that pit subjective egotistical obstinacy against the knowledgeable critical thinking of those with a full command of logic. Ironically, it is my "personal observation" of their challenger's delusions of omniscience that puts me on the side of Troy, Delano, and ProfD. That, and the fact that I like these 3 cuz they're really cool guys. 😉

To me, in his show last night Bill Maher's body language and attitude hinted that he's been taking a lot of heat for the critique of his visit with Trump. He did revert back to ridiculing and criticizing tRump and his MAGA buddies but insisted that hating them accomplishes nothing... He is learning that talking out of both sides of his mouth is a slippery slope. But his comic relief bits still crack me up.🤣

IMO, the US used its power most effectively in world war II (1941-1945) where it ended the war for the most part with an atomic weapon and emerged as a super-power. Also IMO, the US has not administratively faltered to date. The country has been the #1 super-power on the planet for nearly 5 decades and counting. The US is still the beacon on a hill that people from other countries flock to for a *better* life.😎

I have found statistics and numbers to be more informative than personal observations. If approached with minimal bias numerical analysis is illuminating. Statistics used to be my hobby. And it not easy to do your own research, and data collection is even harder. There are certain rules or parameters that have to be met or followed when gathering data. If certain criteria is met you have a biased sample that doesn't represent the population being analysed. The cool thing about statics is even if you don't have a normal sample set you can still perform analysis of the data. Averages Medians and Modes can be quite infomative. In addition looking at data graphically can show you some trends. However they may only apply to you have collected, if it is not a representative sample. I am sure you have heard of the Gallup polls.

Personal observations can confirm or corroborate facts but it mainly serves as a form of mental masturbation. Statistics provide real data to define and reinforce a position or belief. Well constructed arguments require both statistical data and analysis combined with relevant personal observation. Personal observation on its own doesn't verify or prove anything. Gotta produce receipts i.e. statistical data.😎