Leaderboard

I agree with that 100% Cynique. At the end of the day, I'm not a follower of Farrakhan, in fact, I'm a follower of no man, it simply is not in my nature. But I understand why others might get feel the need to follow someone--for them, it can be very beneficial. There are people who follow Farrakhan and their lives are much better for it. They derive discipline, a strength in character. I know a few of these brothers and Farrakhan has had a positive impact on them. Again the NOI is not for everyone it definitely is not for me, but I recognize their positive influence Farrakhan get my respect because he is their leader. I also feel I've obtained some benefit from the NOI--easily when I was in my 20's he helped inspire Black pride and Black unity. This was the power of the MMM that I think you may not appreciate. That impact was felt even by Brothers who did not attend. But again I'm just not gonna be rocking a bow tie, going to services every Sunday, and giving up pork and alcohol to get down with them. I also recognize that many people derived a great deal of joy and inspiration from Obama's presidency, and if that has helped them get through life more easily--I'm all for it.

No, Del I did not miss your point, I fundamentally disagreed with it. There is a difference; you keep confusing disagreement with a lack of understanding. But since you are a cool dude I'll explain; I did not choose to discuss "the data," because I completely disagree with the premise. What is the point of discussing the two plots you've posted? As I said, I do not think what you've presented is sufficient to understand man's impact on climate, what is the point on delving deeper into what I view as a flawed assumption? Looking at it another way; Lets take it for granted that I agree 100% with the conclusions you've drawn from the data you've obtained. That will not change my position on climate change. Do you understand why? Even if I completely disagreed with your interpretation of the data, that will not prove that I'm right about climate change; besides you'll simply say I'm too stupid to understand the data. In either scenario, my position does not change. @Delano, you feel you have discovered something all the other scientists have missed, right? (that is a direct question).

Cynique if you put it that way; Obama got my vote (twice), but Farrakhan failed to get me to come out to DC, So in that regard, Obama was more effective with more people (though traveling to DC was a lot more difficult that traveling to one's polling place). Obama's becoming the first "Black" president is a historic accomplishment, one that is not likely to be repeated for another century. This is indeed indisputable. Cynique, from a personal perspective I think you are overemphasizing my negative views of Obama. I have both positive and negative things to say about both men. I have positive and negative things to say about myself. One can hold all of these opinions. Obviously, I'll continue to voice my opinions them whenever I choose. I also go around prefacing every Obama critique with something positive just to make people who nothing bad to say the man feel comfortable...

Cynique and Xeon ((scratches head)) You 2 are smart people, and this isn't very hard. It's actually quite simple. Why don't you two "get it"? The GOAL of Minister Farrakhan was to have a MILLION MAN MARCH. His GOAL was to organize a peaceful gathering of a million Black men on the Mall in Washington D.C. He ACCOMPLISHED this when over a million showed up. I was there, I can bear witness to this fact. It was a success, get over it. Furthermore................ Minister Farrakhan's message for Black people was/is CRYSTAL CLEAR: Stop drinking Stop using drugs Stop engaging in criminal activity Eat properly Take care of your children Use the creativity in you to build a business for yourself. Just like Elijah Muhammad's was 50 years ago. And just like Elijah's, it worked for those WHO FOLLOWED IT back then, and it works for those WHO FOLLOW IT today. Pointing to the ills of a community in which the VAST MAJORITY of people DO NOT adhere to Minister Farrakhan's message as an example of his ineffectiveness.......is like pointing to a sick man who refuses to take his prescribed medicine as an example of how ineffective the doctor is. Thousands of Black men in Chicago and other cities have heard Minister Farrakhan yet STILL engage in gang-banging and dope using/selling even when many of them have OTHER means to make a living and conduct themselves. But you want to blame that on him? Like I said before, Minister Farrakhan is a LEADER.....but not a DICTATOR. The only thing he does is TELL you how to be successful, but if you refuse to follow his instructions and continue to behave in "niggatry" and foolishness, why is that HIS fault?