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  1. 3 points
    Thank you Cynique that means a lot to me.
  2. 2 points
    My final take on the "Black Panther" euphoria, has predictably congealed into cynicism. The black panther character first appeared as an antagonist to Marvel Comics' Fantastic Four in 1966. which according to some accounts, was the same year a cabal of young black militants in Oakland, California, inspired by the heroics of this character, envisioned the image of a black panther as a logo for their nascent organization. Subsequently learning that the symbol had already been adopted in 1965 by another political group from Alabama known as the Lowndes County Freedom Organization, Bobby Seal and Huey Newton perhaps made these activists an offer they couldn't refuse and - the rest is history. End of prologue. In the present, to me, the impact of the block-buster spectacle based on the black panther comic book character, boils down to 2 words: make-believe. And so begins our story... . Once upon a time, a black minority population residing in a land of broken promises, was plagued by the post traumatic stress resulting from the slavery which had robbed them of their identity. They ached for something to fill them with pride and make them believe they had self-worth. 2 Titans known as Marvel Productions and Disney Studios, got wind of this yearning, and with dollar signs in their eyes, believed they could capitalize off the situation by providing the black masses with a movie featuring make-believe characters in a make-believe country, giving a good accounting of themselves and their make-believe culture. Upon seeing the imaginary movie released by the Titans, droves of black people were captivated by what this make-believe epic made them believe. Inspired by what jumped off giant screens in theaters all over the country, black patrons left these venues feeling superior to those who had thwarted their belief in themselves. And what better way to affirm this belief than to ride the "Wakanda Forever" wave into a future where all blacks would be high achievers in a high tech environment of their own making! Meanwhile, the 2 titans of white corporate America are raking in the astronomical profits this film has generated, thanks in great part to the cash-flow from its enchanted black audience. Elsewhere, however, doubts about the redeeming value of this make-believe movie have begun to appear as dissident voices start to blaspheme it. Social media party poopers are now pricking holes in the fantasy balloon, and would you believe the post traumatic stress of slavery is developing into a multiple personality disorder? Epilogue: Believe it or not, this is what can be expected when dealing with a make-believe tale that gives rise to a belief that blacks can believe in, - if they make-believe...
  3. 2 points
    Having Black Panther withdrawal? Looking for powerful original superheroes to read about? Then enter the EVO Universe! From the mind of Kipjo K. Ewers, enter the world of Sophia Dennison. The story of a young woman executed for the murder of her husband and miraculously resurrected as the first superhuman to walk the Earth. In searching for those responsible for her husband's death, events take place causing her to accidentally give birth to an entire superhuman race. Now because of her, heroes and villains now walk the Earth. Pick up the ongoing series today titled "The First", and the spin-off series titled "Eye of Ra". Available at EVO Universe, Amazon, Aubible.com, Google Play, and iTunes. Learn more about the EVO Universe @ : https://www.evouniverse.com/ https://www.facebook.com/EVOUniverse/ https://twitter.com/JoEwers https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-jnCizZoga7AXD1owYMCxw https://www.tumblr.com/blog/evocomics https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/7248579.Kipjo_Kenyatta_Ewers https://plus.google.com/u/0/+KipjoEwersEVOUniverse
  4. 2 points
    Now it's your turn to be told you are man of good character. And you are.
  5. 2 points
    @Delano. Okay, brother. Please enthrall us all with your newly found ENLIGHTENMENT. Did the film make you a better Black man, disclose information about something you didn’t know before, did it change your mind about anything, what are you inspired to do next?
  6. 2 points
    Listening is the easy part of the conversation. The intake/input is stimulating. Once someone belabors a point then the conversation is a wrap. I know then the person isn't convinced of her/his own ramblings.
  7. 2 points
    LOL! I'm going to look for the oldest record I have relating to this topic and see if I can find it through google today.
  8. 2 points
    Yeess!!! I also have information on my computer that I can no longer find ANYWHERE. It's frightening!
  9. 2 points
    @Mel Hopkins. Yes Mel. I scroll straight down in Wikipedia to the sources and go through them before taking the final word of what is written. That is why although I don't care for it, it is an ok first step to help me on my journey to finding facts and primary sources of information. They usually provide the primary sources up front.
  10. 2 points
    @Troy Wikipedia is a resource that contains primary and secondary source information. There is no need to dismiss Wikipedia when you can actually challenge and update information. Besides, if it doesn't come directly from personal experience everything is to be attributed as "reported by /referenced" ... And who writes a dissertation and cites Wikipedia, anyway? That's not what it's for...it's a collaborative work that is neither conclusive nor definitive. Anyway, Shirley Chisholm's page contains 71 reference sources - so unless you dispute all those references then Chisholm's Wikipedia page is a good source. Oh, and signed a veteran journalist who wasn't even allowed to use the newspaper as a source when researching and reporting
  11. 2 points
    Donations to poor Black kids is all marketing. Do you really believe Disney actually cares about poor Black people -- beyond the ability to separate them from their money? As Cynique said the deduction reduces their tax liability. What we don't know is how Disney is spending the remaining 99.9% of the profits from he film. Maybe that would give you some perspective.
  12. 2 points
    @DelTax write-offs in the form of Charity from white people, money that will probably line the pockets of opportunistic black people. i'm more impressed with "Get Out" inspiring college courses on racism.
  13. 2 points
    Apparently Black Panther is evolving into something akin to an ink blot replica, something which everyone sees what they want to see in it. All of the intellectualizing and deconstructing are superfluous to me. How blatant can it be that it's a movie which millions of black people find palatable on many levels because it was something they had long been salivating for. The true taste-test is what concrete positive results will be left in its wake. Granted, it is headed for "legendary" status, but Michael Jordan is a "legend", a billionaire who makes his money off of black people purchasing his exorbitantly-priced gym shoes.
  14. 2 points
    @Cynique now there's is a thought. Maybe we came here fleeing a dying planet... the planet of... dare I say it... Wakanda!
  15. 2 points
    Interesting @zaji I find magnets much more fascinating. You see sound I can understand intuitively. Sound travels over a media. So no sound it space, but it travels faster in water. In the cheap seat in the stadium you can observe a ball being hit before you hear it. All of this makes sense to me indeed I could reason this out on my own. But magnets never made sense until it was explained to me how they worked. Indeed electromagnetic force is far stronger than gravity and propagates infinitely. This is not something I could have intuited. @Cynique, maybe given how evil some people are.
  16. 2 points
    HEY, to hell with everyone else, sister @Cynique just me a years dose of honorific. I'll not let it go to my head!
  17. 2 points
    I see things a bit differently @zaji in the case of describing the elephant each person was accurately describing what they felt. They were all correct. The problem comes when any of them use their limited experience in an attempt to describe the entire elephant. Many of us do this without even realizing it. We do not realize we are blind to a larger whole. This is called ignorance. The worst of us are indeed closed to additional information we are arrogant in our ignorance. In terms of airplanes. Airplanes do not "defy" gravity. The take advantage of another scientific principal to overcome gravity. Indeed a complete understanding of gravity and how it works is necessary in order for one to understand flight. This similar to what you wrote, but the distinction I'm trying to make is that gravity is not "wrong," but a better understanding of the whole environment allows us to apparently defy it. Opinions and preferences are subjective, so we can all have different opinions and be completely right as far as the individual concerned. Facts are not subject to individual whims or preferences.
  18. 2 points
    This is such a meaty topic. It is hard to properly address all the issues being raised. Look for Black people with college degrees, these degrees mean a lot means a lot less than they used to and have always meant less than they do for white people. I have typically been more educated than most of the people I've worked with (I have an MBA and a MS in engineering). I once had a white manager tell me during our first meeting that he did not care how many degrees I had -- this coming from a white guy who had less education and I'd guess who was less intelligent as well. But he was senior to me in his role and made a lot more money. He also had a direct say on the size of my bonus. When the bonus pool was being divided up who do you think got the largest shared me or his boys? This was at Goldman Sachs. This type of thing was one of the reasons I left. After a certain point, I determined I would rather struggle on my own than be owned by folks who really don't see me or respect me. But that is me and I know most people are not like me in this way. At a Goldman it is also not just enough to have a degree it also matters where the degree is from. Because of this Black people are are a significantly disadvantage because we are historically excluded from the Ivies. Again, not because of ability but because of legacy, racist admission policies, etc. Of course there are other places to work, but the firms where you earn the highest wages operate the same way. Now this also excludes other whites based upon class, which have led some whites who believe "affirmative action" has given unqualified Blacks positions that they rightly deserve. The value of an education is not a simple question. People always say. "Troy I'm sure your engineering degrees helped you create AALBC.com," No they did not. The skills I use today were not invented when I got my degrees. I learned everything I know to run this site on my own. Well surely, they say, that my MBA helps me run my business. Again, the answer is "no." An MBA is best suited to teaching one how to work for a large corporation. Sure the same ability that allowed be to earn my degrees is the same one that allowed me to create AALBC.com. But that ability is not at all unique and definitely not sufficient to run AALBC.com. @Kalexander2's point "Black are taught to never challenge authority" resonated because this was he way I was raised. I always referred to people who were older to me. In my first job I found it difficult to refer to the older white guys by the first names. My white peers did not have this problem and they also challenged the older guys ideas more freely.
  19. 2 points
    I maintain that the REAL value of the movie is that it gives Black youth an image or a template of what a well managed high tech Black society COULD look like.....which will inspire them. Also..... Although the movie was fiction, there were a lot of facts and ancient African concepts in it that were being RE-introduced to Black America such as: -Respect for elders and veneration of ancestors. -The concept of female warriors -The belief and access to other realms where the ancestors dwell -Black women wearing their hair NATURALLY....which is a big plus Something I haven't heard anyone talk about in the media is the fact that we have a virtually all Black movie and NOT ONCE was the "n" word used....lol. This movie has done far more good than harm in my opinion.
  20. 2 points
    i still think it shows more imagination and creativity to use a symbolic avatar. I think it's presumptuous to use the picture of someone else to represent one's own self. I, myself, use a screen name and my own picture and, as i've said, i have nothing to hide. I stand by everything i say, including how i really don't like this country.
  21. 2 points
    Well anybody who earns a college degree is not to be dismissed. Those who college isn't for, wouldn't have the academic smarts to last 4 years in college and graduate. No denying a college degree looks good on a resume, and when a job promotion is between a person who has a degree, and one who doesn't, the candidate with a degree has a leg up. i can't imagine anyone wasting time going to college for 4 years if they felt better suited to be a plumber or a hairdresser or the owner of a rib joint. i've always regretted not finishing college, and the 2 years i spent going to one where i received the equivalency of an associate degree in Liberal Arts and Sciences, taught me about subjects which served me well through out my life. Education is never wasted.
  22. 2 points
    @zaji, so you don't believe that some beliefs are wrong or incorrect and others are right and correct? If this does not accurately describe what you mean, you'll need to clarify it a bit more (at least for me) perhaps an example would be a good why to start.
  23. 2 points
    @Pioneer1 I do believe that the vast majority of people are intellectually capable of getting a college degree. The biggest challenge is not intellectual. It is financial. I also believe that a high school education from 50 years ago is worth a college education today (@Cynique what do you think). I mean many in my parent's generation had little more than a grade school education and seem better prepared for life that a college grad today... Even when I was in school it was simply more difficult to do anything, writing a paper required a level of discipline that is unnecessary today. Today you can just type all you thoughts and some program will correct the spelling, properly format it, into whatever style you want and even fix your the grammar. I remember how frustrated I would be with a single typo-- too many and you had to start all over. Programming was more difficult, I won;t even talk about access to information... Again we have all the information in the world at our finger tips and people are less informed and greater numbers seem misinformed.
  24. 2 points
    I for one am very impressed with you profound analysis sister @Zaji. Indeed, we are all subject to the same U.S. State power machine. I wish someone would wake White folks up to that fact so they realize they are the true targets. Black folk has never been that important or powerful to target for anything except a consumerist base. But be careful sister. Are you sure you’re ready to handle the answer about to come to you. WE’RE ALL SCREWED and there is no solution in the end!! The tunnel we’re all going through opens up to a bigger tunnel. Trying to turn back to the light is a mirage. EVERYTHING WILL NOT BE ALRIGHT like our mothers told us. This is a reason I choose to be a 'crisis theorist' instead of a funtionlist because the negative far outweigh the position. Forget the "don't nobody bring me no bad news" proposition of wizard of oz's wicked witch of the north. The good news will prove to be really bad news.
  25. 2 points
    I haven't seen it yet. But when I saw the trailer, my soul sank. Something felt off and didn't ring true. I wasn't as hyped as everyone else. I'm still not, even as the praise rolls in right behind the money. I will watch it soon, but the trailer turned me off a bit. Not that I didn't see the potential value in it, but it was a disturbing trailer. We'll see what I think once I get around to watching it. I'll be waiting though. I am not paying to watch it in the theater.
  26. 2 points
  27. 2 points
    So why do we care? i am not preoccupied with things over which i have no control.
  28. 2 points
    One person's wall is another's window.
  29. 1 point
    I hope you get to see the 2019 version of GOT too. The writers who write for wikipedia do it for free. Not only would I never write forWikipedia (for free) I would never EVER give them money. Their soliciting donations is ludicrous -- Wikipedia need to be going after Google who is using their information -- probably more than Wikipedia does themselves.
  30. 1 point
    Listening is a skill that doesn't come naturally or easily to most of us... Listening is about entertaining another person's ideas, a bit like trying on their coat. It's like saying to the other person: 'I may not agree with you, I might not like what you are saying, but I am going to try to understand it from your point of view. ' What Makes Us Tick pp 29-30, by Hugh Mackay .
  31. 1 point
    @Delano, WONDERFUL, now I'm officially a POW and hereby invoke the Geneva Convention, Just, please don't trade me and send me back to the God forsaken USA.
  32. 1 point
    Pioneer has strong points.
  33. 1 point
    @Pioneer1 where, pray tell, did you get this definition: "Science is a Western method of collecting and organizing information?" We can't have a reasonable conversation on this subject if this is the basis of your understanding of science. @Delano there are some pretty remarkable structures from antiquity a in the Americas as well.
  34. 1 point
    Net-net we all agree people are better off with a college degree than without one in the current economy. However having one is no guarantee of success and not having one is no guarantee of failure. All the rest is a function of luck, preparation, connections, genetics, the economy, what you've studied, where you lives, etc, etc. Too many variables to come out with a perfect formula to predict an outcome with a high level of certainty. Again the degree maximizes your potential. No I would not have gotten the job at Goldman without the degree, but I also did not come in through the normal recruiting channels. Del I forgot all about Drexel. Were you there when they imploded?
  35. 1 point
    Pioneer calling Kalexander crazy is like the pot calling the kettle black. Just because he's not a troll doesn't mean he's not an egomaniac. He's so hard up for compliments he makes them up about himself. I am starting to like Kalexander because he's good-natured and thick-skinned.
  36. 1 point
    It all feels subjective to me. Some go to college and go on to be wealthy because of it. Others go to college, Ivy League even, and can't find a job to save their life (I indirectly know a few who are in this position). Some have zero higher education and even dropped out of high school and are multi-millionaires now, others dropped out of high school and either can't find a job or live on minimum wage. It really seems to depend on the person and the situation. I hear stories on both sides of the education fence and it varies wildly. Education has helped some, it hasn't helped others. For some it hasn't helped, they have nothing. For others it hasn't helped, they are rich and brilliant beyond anything we could imagine. We each get what we get, or don't get what we don't get based on our life experiences and drive. Nothing seems hard and fast when it comes to individual experiences with education.
  37. 1 point
    Well, having the courage of one's own convictions is a choice. What one believes and gravitates toward defines one as an individual, as opposed to a vacillating, ambiguous fence sitter. My response to a person, really depends on how they present their opinion. I am challenged by arrogant pontificators. I am charmed by people who suggest their opinions to me, rather than impose them upon me.
  38. 1 point
    If @Pioneer1 was a troll he would be the most ineffective or slowest one in existence. Pioneer is not a troll. I'm been running discussion forums for 20 years now and I don't begrudge anyone for wanting to maintain their anonymity. In fact the guy who spent a decade running our book club went by the name of Thumper and he did not want to reveal his real identity. In fact for years, lurkers would come to me, in the real world, and ask if I was Thumper -- many just automatically assumed this was true. After a while Thumper gained some notoriety and maintaining his anonymity became really hard. To this day his real name does not appear on this site. The same was true for the author known as Zane (who has posted here in the past). Zane ran her own forum dealing with sex and she maintained her anonymity for a long time she even had books published before people know who she was. The woman you runs the most popular Black forum that I know of uses Condi Rice as her avatar, thought she revealed her identity to me when I inquired whether her site was Black owned. Thought she could have made up an identity... That said, I give a lot more credit to people who stand behind what they say with a true identity. Look I know anyone can take some I might have written here out of context and make me look crazy. I know I can't run for public office of work for many companies based upon some of the stuff I've written here -- even if said in jest or to play devils advocate. So if you job is in jeopardy by all means use an avatar. There are many good reason to hide one's identity on the web. BTW @Kalexander2, Pioneers avatar is Earl Graves founder of Black Enterprise Magazine: https://aalbc.com/top_black_websites/#Black+Enterprise
  39. 1 point
    @Kalexander2 I haven't seen the movie yet, as I wrote above. But I agree with @Delano, @Cynique and you. I think all points are valid depending on what action follows. I don't invalidate thoughts on something that can unfold in unpredictable ways. We are individual humans who react to things differently based on our perspective and life experiences. For some, this movie is an inspiration toward tangible change, and actions will follow that could have a ripple effect in time. For others, it's a pacifier meant to keep them inert. I see both sides. For me, it feels like another trick by Hollywood to keep us perpetually in hope mode, rather than action mode. There are aspects of the trailer that also ring false for me as far as black culture. I have yet to see a Hollywood film that has truly transformed white culture socially in positive, equitable, meaningful and permanent ways. I am not as drawn in by others to watch it immediately. I won't be giving a dollar to Hollywood to see this film. I stopped giving my money to Hollywood a long time ago. I will be watching it in other ways for free when the time comes. No hurry.
  40. 1 point
    Damn Ben Carson, that's the biggest pile of shoveling I've heard in the past two hours! Is that what Carson tells those Black folk living in NYC projects getting meals in boxes replacing food stamps that barely fill a cup; their hunger is in their minds. and living conditions is an imagination? That brother should shoot himself. Though I understand (if not approve) his selfish, greedy soul for sell the highest bidder, giving-up the fight and pulling his pants down for reception. A damn heart or neurosurgeon complacent toward human life. I see why trump made him Secretary of HUD. Just imagine BC in the oval office!
  41. 1 point
    Thank you for thinking of me, Richard. I will have to pass as I have a lot on my table now.
  42. 1 point
    Everybody getting paid off this movie but Black folks and we running around correcting each other on how to properly do the wakanda salute (lower case "w" is deliberate).
  43. 1 point
    Re: this sentiment It's a choice. And it absolutely explains why some in the black community choose escapism.
  44. 1 point
    All three of these points are connected. While it's reported that europeans came armed with guns and bibles to colonize African countries - they didn't have control over their (Africans) minds. Unfortunately, many had succumbed to the ideology of the oppressor instead of powering through the adversity to succeed with their own morals of social justice, way of life and abilities intact. Just like perennials will find their way through the cracks of cement to bloom on the surface, no amount oppression can make one abandoned their morals or belief system. If it does then death is far better for those types. We of African ascent who are here in America obviously had far stronger ancestors than those whose bodies lie at the bottom of the ocean. Edit: To be clear, the story ended for those who are at the bottom of the ocean.
  45. 1 point
    @Delano, I get it, a lot of people saw the film. But even the writer of the article pointed out that this film will "cannot reverse generations of negative imagery and distortion." The point you are missing and that was overlooked in the article is that first and foremost this film is a vehicle to make money. If someone did an analysis to see who will make the most money from the film this will be plain to you. Look I wish all of the ills heaped upon Black people globally would disappear as a result of this movie, but it is woefully idealistic to believe this will be the case. I'm surprised you would hold this position. Do you think this film will change 45's attitude toward "the Blacks?" Do you think Colin with get he QB job back. Do you think they will ever let more than 10 Black people into Stuyvesant HS? Do you think all the trigger happy Po-Po will stop gunning down unarmed Black people? Do you think more than a handful of Black people, if any will share proportionately in the fantastic profits generated by this film? Or will our role continue to be that of consumer; continually forking over our dough to people the owners of Disney who we have allowed to create our Mythology. You don't see Native Americans running around talking about how great Pocahontas was for the indigenous people of North America. The few that are left have more sense that we apparently have. You do realize that The Hollywood Reporter article you site, and well as all the other sources --including the NFL, is part of the same propaganda machine that made this film so fantastically popular. This material is created to get you to think exactly the why you are thinking. It is good that you visit sites like AALBC so that you are exposed to ideas not beholden to the same propaganda. that has figured out a way to both define your culture reap great financial rewards from it.
  46. 1 point
    While waiting for Troy to respond to the opinion solicited by Del, these are my thoughts. The article is biased, an example of Hollywood patting itself on the back, taking credit for and earning millions from an idea whose time had come, using isolated anecdotal evidence to make a questionable point. Praise for a movie owing much of its success to exciting images, and aggrandizement of the age old conflict pitting heroes versus villains, with the heroes triumphing; a bakery dropping crumbs for hungry black folks starved for the sight of action figures who look like them. But when all the hype dies down, what is left? Black Panther is a slick film about Africa not as it was. not as it now is, nor as it will ever be. What message does this comic book production really send? What the Mother Land could've been, - but woefully is not. White supremacy flexed its ruthless muscles and overwhelmed this continent, relegating it to the ranks of losers, losers who, nonetheless. continue to inspire the romanticized adoration of the diaspora in America where generic African garb. and liberated hair with all of its synthetic extensions, have become superficial badges of a bastardized African heritage. And why is such slavish homage due to a continent whose countries were guilty of participating in the slave trade, selling its own into bondage, sending their shackled bodies across the Atlantic to a land where they would endure hardship and degradation for 4 centuries. Where was African support during the Civil Rights struggle in this country, a movement launched by leaders descended from slaves, people shedding their blood sweat and tears in a quest for freedom, achieving gains that African immigrants now waltz over to this country and benefit from. And, yes, this movie is comparable to Obama's election, an event that that was a "flash-in-the pan", one where, with help from authentic black Americans, the son of a white woman and an African immigrant was elected to the highest office in the land, even though his forefathers had not paid their dues. Furthermore, how will the success of this example of great film making actually impact on black America? Will it create better schools, decrease the black prison population, generate jobs, stop black males from shooting each other, dissipate the baby/mama culture that has destabilized the family unit? Or will it just continue to overshadow films based on true stories about heroic black people. Films like "Hidden Figures", and the ones about the Tuskegee airmen, and Supreme Court Justice, Thurgood Marshall, the other movie starring Chadwick Boseman. Where is the acclaim for the superbly-remade "Roots" saga, and the kicked to the curb Nate Turner story? What is certain is that an inevitable sequel to Black Panther will perpetuate the mania. Like "The God Father", it gives all indication of being a profitable franchise. Ka-Ching, If i sound cynical, it's because i am. But i am a voice in the wilderness when it comes to my assessment of the film. You can't argue with success, and everybody loves a winner!
  47. 1 point
    Please don't say the Black Panther movie for I think you will discover that it will not change the world and make it better for Black people -- despite all the hype to the contrary. Actually, I think and predict that the Black Panther movies will do more for Black America than President Obama did.....lol. The movie...like Obama....gives HOPE and INSPIRATION. Look, ofcourse Wakanda is made up BUT it gives you an illustration of how a successful and powerful Black society could possibly look if one were to exists! And that's the beauty of it. Sometimes people have to SEE something before they can consider the possibility of it.   How else could wealth inequality be so great, or how could so many people, be so impoverished, or go without health coverage, with all the charitable people we have? There is so much poverty and lack of decent healthcare in America because Black people ALLOW this to be so! I'll probably get push back from you and Cynique (lol) about this, but it goes right back to what I've said so often. Most of the problems Black and poor people face in this nation are OUR FAULT because we haven't exercised our rights as American citizens the way we should. Black people get into office and too often just continue the same narrative as their White predecessors. More business as usual. Black people become mayor and instead of getting rid of the old city constitution and charter and making a NEW one....they keep the same one that the White founders of the city wrote up 200 years ago; and wonder why the city falls apart. Like I said, Black people operate best when we do OUR THING and make up OUR RULES. You may think this is crazy as hell, but with Obama in office and so many Black people in congress...Black men could have solved the "Broken Black Family" problem in 5 years by making POLYGAMY LEGAL in the United States instead of gay marriage. But the thought probably never even crossed their minds. White men in Utah have no problem pushing it, but Black men who INVENTED it are afraid to even mention it, lol. A fool will keep playing a game invented by someone else and WONDER why they keep losing.
  48. 1 point
    @Delano , @Troy @Cynique The scary thing is all of you absolutely correct! How crazy is that???
  49. 1 point
    So what else is new?
  50. 1 point
    Lol..... Is this the SAME Joel Osteen who wouldn't let desperate people into his church for sanctuary when Houston was flooding out from the hurricane until he was shamed on social media into doing it? Troy But religions must expand and convert others in order to survive, so by their very nature they must try to influence others. Not only that, but I see most religions as just massive mind control programs. Infact, I'd say they are a major reason why humanity as a whole hasn't advanced more than it has so far because they LIMIT people in thought and action. Based on some scriptures they read in the Bible, most Christians thought that the Earth was flat and because of this people in Europe were afraid to sail too far away for fear of falling off the Earth. Only when they challenged this idea and eventually broke away from it did Europe begin to see a resurgence of prosperity and discovery (that led to slavery and exploitation ofcourse).