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2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
The Original Uncle Tom is Misunderstood because of the propaganda surrounding his story...Todays uncle Toms are sell outs or worst the bought in(honorable whites)You're correct.
I use the term "Uncle Tom" as a hold over from the misunderstood actual story of the original Uncle Tom who actually helped Black people.
Although most Black people DO see the term as disparaging, I'll probably stop using the term in a disparaging way anyway see some of us know better and know the truth behind the Uncle Tom character.Cool
2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Black Gangster who I grew up around were good for my community....of course because the broke the law the were considered bad.
How were they good for your community?
I didn't grow up in the hood but I did have SOME Black gangsters in my community where I grew up who sold dope, pimped, and ran other types of operations.
Although they didn't harm me, I didn't see them helping the community at all.
Maybe "Good for the community" was a little strong....
2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Thugs and Sell out are despicable human beings and to me are the lowest scum....good for no one but themselves and the Ones doing the buying(Predominant society)
So I take it you put the thugs and sell outs on the same level.
Yes but for different reasons
2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Gangster mostly kill others in the game/business.
Yes they sell poison....that results in death and destruction - on some level it is the users choice unless you subscribe to the Pusher man theory.
True
But isn't selling poison to your people literally SELLING out?
Yes....But they can't or don't just sell this poison to any and everybody in the community.
2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:I grew up among gangster and if you rob any one in the neighborhood without permission...you are going to suffer
Lol.
It's funny because I remember when I was a kid before the Crack Era....crime wasn't organized, but it was "known".
If someone broke into a house or stole a car SOMEBODY of importance on the streets knew who did it and could "handle" it for you. But when Crack came, the instability it brought changed all of that.Not Important but Respected.
2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:NWA....what are referring to the Prison Industrial Complex
They didn't build it, but they fueled it.
They made a lot of young Black boys want to grow up to be "Niggas Fa Life".
yep
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7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
Although I think BOTH tend to be enemies of the progress and advancement of the AfroAmerican community in general, when compared with eachother I have more respect for the Sell Out and Uncle Tom than I have for the Black gangster and thug.
The Original Uncle Tom is Misunderstood because of the propaganda surrounding his story...Todays uncle Toms are sell outs or worst the bought in(honorable whites)
Black Gangster who I grew up around were good for my community....of course because the broke the law the were considered bad.
Thugs and Sell out are despicable human beings and to me are the lowest scum....good for no one but themselves and the Ones doing the buying(Predominant society)
7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Infact, I'd rather LIVE AROUND the Sell Out and Uncle Tom.....than live around the gangsters and thugs.
The threat that the gangster and thug poses is a DIFFERENT type of danger than that of the Sell Out and Uncle Tom.
What do I mean?Rarely does a gangster impose on your world....
The actions of thugs and sell outs often do...
7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Most Sell Outs and Toms don't pose a danger to the Black community period.
They just dismiss and abandon their people and refuse to help them in order to win favor with the Whites.
Of those who DO pose a danger, most of the dangers they pose are through helping the Whites institute policies and laws to harm Black folks either at work and or in society in general.
This is bad enough and although it certainly affects your LIVELIHOOD....it generally don't cost you your life.
We see this with Clarence Thomas and the Affirmative Action issue.The sell outs do not kill you...but they tell your enemies how to kill you
Because their actions does not directly ends in death does not mean their actions is not one of the chief determining factor that resulted in deaths.
7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:But the gangster and thug however.......
They DIRECTLY KILL other Black folks.
They sell poisonous drugs to those in the Black community.
They are quick to start fights and harm or kill those in the Black community.
They will break in your house and steal your car and other belongings.
They are the ones most likely to turn informant and agent against others in the Black community is is pretty much a form of selling you out in and of itself.Gangster mostly kill others in the game/business.
Yes they sell poison....that results in death and destruction - on some level it is the users choice unless you subscribe to the Pusher man theory.
I grew up among gangster and if you rob any one in the neighborhood without permission...you are going to suffer
Yes many gangster turn snitch...
7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:They may not admit to directly helping Whites against their own people; infact they may be the MAIN ONES standing on a step ladder preaching about how weak and trifling an "uncle tom nigga" is and how he needs to be tossed in a ditch.
Mean while THEY are engaging in and promoting behavior that harms other AfroAmericans FAR MORE than the most shameless Uncle Tom out there.
The rap group NWA has done more to harm Black folks than Clarence Thomas and Candice Owens combined EVER has....hands down.
There are levels to this.
We need to recognize who the REAL ENEMIES of our community are...and to what degree.NWA....what are referring to the Prison Industrial Complex
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9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
In Delano's thread: How can you tell if something is true?
On page 1
Posted June 4
You said:
Maybe not, depending on what and how Time Is .......until it's found and observed it may no exist - Schrodinger's cat
I think we were referring to either Dinosaur Bones or Schrodinger's cat
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10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
My constant disagreements and even arguments with Cynique, Delano, frankster, and even Troy on occasion as well as a few others over the years has got me thinking about what the problem could be.
While not knowing what's EXACTLY in other people's heads, I'm certain that they are SINCERE in their opinions and assertions...just as I tend to be with mine.Disagreements are healthy so long as Honesty and Respect abides......Growth Happens
10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:As many of you can tell, I DO like debating from time to time....lol...but actually I'd rather agree with and have my ideas supported MOST of the time rather than constantly having to defend them.
Debating is fun....support for ideas we hold is Satisfying - which is fleeting
10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:I'd rather save my debating and arguing for the racist Caucasians and dysfunctional Black people.
I can tell you this about debating with racist....they tend to be full of insults of racial kind and personal attacks rarely anything substantial, meaningful or factual.
After that they change their name and come at you again with the same thing from a different angle trying to ensnare you with your own words.
10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:However unlike a lot of argumentative people, I DO realize that "everybody" can't be wrong....lol
Nobody is truly wrong....its just where they are on the learning curve - we learn more from our mistakes than our successes.
10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:What I've observed over the years is if a person constantly finds themselves in disagreement with MOST people in given environment there are reasons for this.
When you find PATTERNS of a certain thing, that tells you it's not random but usually has clearly identifiable causes.True
10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Most of the time (but not all) when someone is constantly disagreeing with everybody, either:
a) They're trolling and just being disagreeable to stir up emotions and start discord.
or
b) Their thinking pattern is either "off" or not "normal" OR healthy but just "wired differently" than the majority of people for some reason and this affects their perspective and how they see things.You are a little bit of both i suspect.
10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Well I can tell you for a fact, I'm not trolling.
Infact, I've been accused by both Cynique and Delano on MORE than one occasion of trying to "gather a following" of supporters behind me to be the next major Black leader....LOL
So my thinking pattern is obviously different in many cases.I be li eve.
10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Here's a few facts:
1. I was born and raised in the United State in a majority Black city and saw some of the same things many of you have seen growing up.
2. I have never been diagnosed with any mental illness nor put on any psychiatric medication that often affects one's thinking.
3. I have never used any hard drugs like cocaine or heroin to affect my brain and thinking abilities.4. I'm over 50 years of age so I made it in this world so far with my line of thinking while a lot of "popular" people didn't even make it pass 20 years old.
Sounds like a typical life in the West
10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:So the question is, why is my thinking pattern and the way I see the world so different than a lot of people?
Why do I often meet with more DISagreement than agreement on subjects I think should be clear cut and dry?Our life paths and experiences are different.
10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
@Cynique and @Delano Both of you are WELCOMED to chime in if you like!
Infact, I encourage it!
Let us put the sour grapes to the side for a moment as I welcome CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.
Infact, ANYBODY is welcomed to chime in if they like....I just mention those two because they are the ones I tend to disagree with the most.You are a worthy opponent....
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Can't say i remember it though many of the characters seem familiar....its intense
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5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
Are you FROM Nature?I'm not sure
What is YOUR definition of nature? I think you gave it once, but so I don't have to go through all of the pages...please refresh my memory.Look up all the definitions in the dictionary/encyclopedia.
What is Yours?
5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Are you IN Nature?
I'm not sure, again...it depends on your definition.
It surely does.
5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Are you a Part of Nature?
Same response, it depends on your definition.
Although my positions haven't changed...yet....I've decided to STEP BACK from my previous positions on "nature" until I get a CLEAR DEFINITION from you on what you think Nature actually is.Neither have mine..
5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:I am From My Mother and a Part of her as I was once INside her.
I am Still apart of Her as everything I am is made from her Flesh(exclude sperm material)
Physically speaking, I think you WERE a part of her but NO LONGER a part of her.
You DESCENDED from her.Mentally, perhaps you are a part of her MEMORY and emotions.
But physically, you are independent from her.Fine I can accept that.
5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Then I must ask you to show where did I say "time did not exist" please keep it in context...
I'm not sure if YOU DIRECTLY said that time didn't exist or you implied it by posting an excerpt from an article stating this.
I have to look back and see.I have maintain that time is a mental construct of this our shared reality....I have have shown where African philosophy has agreed
I don't disagree with this position either.
But again, the "time not existing" part I DO disagree with and I'll provide the quote of it if I find it.Unless you removed it, it's there...whether YOU said it or a third party said it and you co-signed it.
The Only reference I remember is that "Time does not exist in dreams" and if it does its not the same way it does in Physical Reality.
5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Which are New and which ones are Not African?
-Time not existing
-Believing in Saint Germaine
-Role of the AnunnakiAlthough the Anunnaki...according to the research widely available to us...are an ancient group of advanced Beings that were widely discussed in ancient Sumerian literature thousands of years before the so-called "New Age" movement...
How they've been DESCRIBED and their ROLE in human history and development has been largely shaped by the Western New Age movement.
Ok so which of these are new age and which are not African?....you never said.
The only one above I would say is New Age and European...is Saint Germaine.
Time is a Mental Construct....Eternal and Everlasting as in Timeless existing outside of time.....is not a New Idea and is African
The Anunnaki maybe the same or similar Beings as the Nommo or Chitauli of the Dogon.
To some historians the first great Rulers and Civilization in what is now called the Middle East were African
The Following is the Testimony of a Zulu Sangoma
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1 hour ago, Delano said:
I think dedication is required in addition to asking
6 18 14 11 19 20 5 18
True....unceasing prayer and worship.
Sadly I used simple gematria to decipher your numbers.....but it seems you used another layer of code or Hebrew gematria
did not get it as you said.....Dedication is Required
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33 minutes ago, Delano said:
Tools and rituals are a way of focusing the mind body and spirit. I also believe it you are devoted to an activity it will reveal its secrets.
True...it must it always has.
You into numbers 13 1 20 20 8 5 23 7:7-11
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2 hours ago, Delano said:
@frankster In my system letters and numbers have concepts that are connected to them.
True..
In a Holographic Universe the smallest most insignificant part reflects the whole vast Cosmos.
So it is entirely true that you will find connections.....it's all connected
2 hours ago, Delano said:I take those concepts pick one meaning and apply it to a word or numbers.
All 0r Most Truth are arrived at thru some sort of Ritual.... the ritual in and of itself is not so important - what it creates in the Mind of the one performing the Ritual is.
2 hours ago, Delano said:So patterns had the following meaning: Within chaos there is a there is a nursing that is obscure. Using active thinking and intuition will be revelatory.
Yes...
2 hours ago, Delano said:Thank You
Thank you
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14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
Whaaaaat?
You mean to tell me that frankster has come out from behind the pulpit.....off the stage....and down to sit and chat amongst the peoples?????
frankster
Thanks for sharing that, you seem more human and less robotic to me now.....LOL.
Like you I also grew up in a lower middle class (working class) environment.
My community was just about all Black though.
Also like you I grew up with both Parents in the house.
I'm guessing you're probably over 40 if you were fortunate to have BOTH parents in the house...lol.Yep over 40...had them both growing up.
Community was mixed.....Then mostly black
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13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
Neither are bird nest and beaver dams....If that be the case - in both cases bird nest and telephones are all made of materials from nature by beings in an of Nature
Look at the term you keep using....FROM nature.
I ask the question again, how can something be FROM nature and IN nature at the same time?It may be FROM nature but it's on longer IN or PART OF nature.
Are you FROM Nature?
Are you IN Nature?
Are you a Part of Nature?
Can you answer no to any of the Above?...if so please explain.
I am From My Mother and a Part of her as I was once INside her.
I am Still apart of Her as everything I am is made from her Flesh(exclude sperm material)
As I am No longer In Her...I am Apart from Her
Not so with Nature....Me and my Mother are From(made of) Nature and remain a Part of Nature(Inside Nature)
13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:It seems you find it incredulous that African Thought these Ideas independent of Whites.
Which ideas are you specifically talking about?The ones you refer to as New Age.
13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:I shown that it is an African Idea.....Time is a Mental Construct
Claiming that something is a "mental construct" is NOT the same as saying that it doesn't exist.
Again, you have shown me NO EVIDENCE in which any ancient Africans claimed that time didn't exist.
None.Then I must ask you to show where did I say "time did not exist" please keep it in context...
I have maintain that time is a mental construct of this our shared reality....I have have shown where African philosophy has agreed
All else is a misunderstanding on your part.
13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:You think the ideas espoused by New Agers are New and European?
Some are.
Which are New and which ones are Not African?
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10 hours ago, Delano said:
Does this imply that I a creating the pattern based on the form? If this is not what you mean can you elaborate?
You are looking for patterns....you are trained to see those forms or regularities.
I am not trained as you are....I will not see those patterns unless or until you show me how to look.
Chaos in this sense is pure potentialities all patterns exist....You have then bought to fore a pattern that might have never been noticed
Did you create the Pattern...hard to say - but we know Consciousness did
Is the pattern there....yes - among many other patterns that are sometimes interwoven and overlapping patterns within patterns in short chaos.
Patterns allow us to make sense of nonsense.
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On 7/3/2023 at 12:24 PM, Pioneer1 said:
Conversations with ProfD and frankster have made me think about the times in my life when I've took leaps of faith and the rewards I've gotten were much greater than I even asked for or even imagined.
Even at what I considered "low" points in my life, this has happened.
I remember when I was homeless and living in a shelter.Yeow.... so sad to read and must have been tragic to endure.
Respect!!!!! for having surviving that and coming out the better for it.
On 7/3/2023 at 12:24 PM, Pioneer1 said:They only gave us coffee in the mornings and pushed us out of the door by 7am.
It reached a breaking point when one young man who was a diabetic who went into sugar shock one morning because he couldn't get any carbohydrates to balance his chemistry.
We said they need to give us some donuts or toast or something....not just coffee and water.
I got together with some people and we went to the administration running the shelter and gave them our complaint and said we demand donuts or bagels as a form of carbohydrates.
3 days later I was standing in line to get in the shelter and one of my partners asked me did I hear the news that they were going to be giving us food starting tomorrow morning.
I happily said, "Oh....them jokers are finally given out some donuts???"
He said, "NAW MAN......DONUTS, YOGURT, PUDDING, CAKE, POP TARTS, CEREAL, TOAST, OATMEAL, BOILED EGGS...all kinds of shit"
Apparently my complaint reached the county board of commissions and they determined that it was a health risk for so many people of various ages to wake up and be sent out on the street without adequate nutrition.These are the events in life.....that demonstrates the Power of the Spoken Word.
On 7/3/2023 at 12:24 PM, Pioneer1 said:That's just one MINOR example of what I'm talking about.
But it's one I bring up often because it's so easily understood.Explain
On 7/3/2023 at 12:24 PM, Pioneer1 said:Have any of you taken risks or leaps of faith hoping to get some sort of reward and the Divine rewarded you not only with what you wanted by with benefits that you didn't even expect or imagine?
It depends on what you mean by Leap of Faith?
I have taken Risks but most of my actions are guide by Reason not so much Faith and or Logic with a healthy dose of Will
Trying to develop more Faith heartell is a Source to or of Great Power
WE SHARING....testimonials or confessional????
I pretty much grew up lower middle class.....
Our lives to onlookers appeared great but on the inside pure misery - my escape was books.
To Pops the whole religious thing was a hustle..Moms was into keeping an Open Mind
I have had my battles with illnesses and temporary disabilities....Anything I wanted I had to save up to or work toward.
I do believe in a world of higher powers accessible to all of us....
We all pray just not effectively all the time - Real Prayer is your True Desire.
Your True Desire is that which you Do not question or doubt(often) but think of with feeling.
On a Metaphysical Tip: Faith is Fate.
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20 hours ago, Delano said:
Perhaps but it doesn't change that I can see the pattern.
True....We live in a holographic/fractal Universe.
20 hours ago, Delano said:I have been am Astrologer since 1999. I have developed a system to qualify moments in time and read a person unconscious mind using words and numbers.
Divination of various kinds has long been a part of Mankind....Astrology is one of the oldest.
20 hours ago, Delano said:I highly recommend reading Flatland.
thank you
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4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
Then how do you explain the following:Africans claim that there is an entity called consciousness that is not influenced by space and time and exists in living and non-living beings and in a space less and timeless dimension..... that time is an ephemeral concept that exists only in the observer's mind. Time is a mental construct
I explain it as supporting MY assertion....and not yours, lol.
You said that time "not existing" was part of African philosophy.
The excerpt you provided not only admits that time DOES exist but calls it a "mental construct".If something is a construct...it EXISTS.
As I said earlier and I quote: Time is a Construct of the Mind(In shared Reality) in which we place events in a linear Sequence....The Past is a memory and the future a projection - both are function of the Mind
4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:I have Said my piece ....
Who would equate Being Alive with a Financial Investment as a equal forms of Risk.
Who would prove that someone doesn't take risks...by explaining the TYPE of risks they actually take????
That's like pointing out how low a person's bank account is as proof that they are "broke"....lol.
If they were BROKE...they wouldn't HAVE a bank account.Cool
4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Dreams aren't different Realities.....Dreaming is its own Reality
With this statement....
Do you mean that Dreams are part of a SINGLE Reality as opposed to multiple Realities?Dreaming is its own reality....just as being awake is its own reality - one can access other realities from the dreaming state or the waking state.
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3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
Telephones are not of nature nor are they usually found IN nature.....unless someone dropped one by accident on a hiking trip, lol.
Neither are bird nest and beaver dams....If that be the case - in both cases bird nest and telephones are all made of materials from nature by beings in an of Nature
3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Enamored of White people????
Are you serious?It seems you find it incredulous that African Thought these Ideas independent of Whites.
3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
No, obviously all ideas don't come from White people but some of YOUR ideas that you seem to be impressed by come from them.
Ideas like "time doesn't exist" for example.I shown that it is an African Idea.....Time is a Mental Construct
3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:It seems to me that White people....some White philosophers or New Agers...made that claim and now so many people....including people of color...have accepted it and parrot it as if it's a fact, without taking the TIME to actually sit down and think about the statement.
You think the ideas espoused by New Agers are New and European?
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On 7/2/2023 at 2:30 AM, Delano said:
No but you made me think. A leader has little to no power if his audience doesn't believe in him/her. Also if they have knowledge of the mess savoury elements of a leaders personality. The leader may again lose power.
True....it is also good or better if the leader also believes in him/herself - confidence is transmissible.
On 7/2/2023 at 2:30 AM, Delano said:The evimougies into a recession not because people make less money. But when they believe that things are slowing down.
Yes....it is said belief kills and cures.
On 7/2/2023 at 2:30 AM, Delano said:All prices in the stock market are an aggregate of the beliefs of the buyers and sellers. Crowd behaviour and psychology are part of economics.
True
There are also those who uses this information to manipulate the minds of the masses so as to influence Economics and Politics - Thru Mass Media.
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10 hours ago, Delano said:
Yes this resonates for me. It would account for people inventing the same thing at the same time without interacting with each other.
Cool
10 hours ago, Delano said:Yes that's is where I am at as well. Power is conferred from those with less power to those with more. However a revolution can upend that relationship.
Yes
10 hours ago, Delano said:No matter what your level of knowledge it is informed by your belief system.
Yes....World view - Mindset/belief system.
10 hours ago, Delano said:Einstein had a mental conflict with one of his theories, since he felt God does not play dice. There has to be an order. My feeling is that nothing is random.
Randomness is akin to Potentiality.....Consciousness Orders it - Observer
10 hours ago, Delano said:However the level of complexity may be so involved that no pattern is discernable. Not finding or seeing a pattern doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just may mean that your frame of reference or perspective is too limited.
Maybe the Pattern you eventually see is Ordered by your Observation
10 hours ago, Delano said:My favourite example of that is the book Flatland by Edwin A Abbot
I have in the last few years seen patterns that are mind blowing.
Never read the book but now i am interested
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14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
You are asking that i confirm something I never affirmed
.I have found truth and i told you where it lies.
I didn't ask you did you find truth, I asked you have you confirmed for yourself any of the stories of the Bible as being true.
You said you have.And I have
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:I asked you to name three, and so far you haven't managed to even name ONE.
Instead you've been running around in circles ducking and dodging behind trees trying to throw me off my original request....lol.But it won't work....
I'm still asking for the stories of the Bible that YOU have confirmed, verified, vetted, as being truthful.
You are blinded by your preconceptions.
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:We are all composed of atoms....all sand grains are sand whilst sand castles may differ.
True.
The atoms are the same, but the objects they produce are different.They appear different
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:They are the same at the Atomic level being composed of Atoms.
They aren't the same at the atomic level because the atoms are ARRANGED differently.
They are composed of Atoms and as such they are the same....made of Atoms
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Yes but on the level of Photons....they are nothing but Photons
PHOTONS are photons...but the light they produce differs.
Just like ink is ink, but the writings it produces varies widely.
In your example The Writings are made of Ink no matter what shape they take.
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:No...Only in perspective are we Different
The perspective DETECTS the actual difference that exists.
The light observed seems different given perspective.
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Different Perspective must create The illusion of Difference....I am looking at a car's mineral composition and you are looking at it as a whole.
So you admit you don't see the big picture...lol.
Focusing on only one aspect instead of the whole WILL give you a distorted view.
All cars are composed of various minerals and minerals only.
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:What is in or from these Laboratories that is not from Natures?
Let's start with computers, telephones, and microscopes...and go from there.
Computers telephones and microscopes are made of what materials?
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:All these material comes from Nature and remain in Nature and as such are a part of Nature.
How can something be FROM nature and IN nature at the same time?
Are you from Nature?
Are you in Nature?
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:So it alone has those Attributes...could you name one such attribute?
When you say "it"....you are referring to??????
Supreme Being?
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:If it's a title then it can be given to others?
Not necessarily.
Only to Others who qualify....IF any Others qualify.So one must qualify
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:If its an office then others can hold or occupy it?
Again, not necessarily.
Only to Others qualified to hold or occupy it....IF there are any.Is there other being who may at some point qualify
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:First implies others.
It implies....but not necessarily asserts or limits.
True
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:All is Nature and Nature has always existed
Energy cannot be destroyedLol...how do YOU know any of those statements to be true?
Do you know anything that is not of and in Nature
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Have you verified this for yourself, or did you simply hear White folks say them and you're just repeating them?
You seemed to be enamored of white people?
and That all ideas are of white people?
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9 hours ago, Delano said:
I would say the conscious subconscious and unconscious are part of the mind. Although I am trying to see it from your point of view.
You are not wrong...
Mind Thoughts Consciousness Subconsciousness Superconsciousness and Unconsciousness are terms often used interchangeable.
Some are now coming to the Realization that there is One Consciousness of which we are all Expressions of.
9 hours ago, Delano said:If it's infinitely long is that different from it being everlasting?
Can't say i see a difference.
9 hours ago, Delano said:I would say the mind exists in non local space and time. Hence part of you isn't constrained to living in the Now.
True
9 hours ago, Delano said:I don't have a firm answer or position on this question.
Neither do I
9 hours ago, Delano said:Nor the one about power belief and knowledge.
Given the current state of the information I have......Belief trumps Knowledge -
Power does the biddings of both Belief and Knowledge
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:frankster
I never said dreams cannot get you there....Just that once there you are no longer dreamin
I guess it depends on your definition of "dream".
Yes..
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:I already showed you that these are African and Eastern philosophies.
"You showed me where some of these are ALLEGEDLY Eastern philosophies...not African."
So allow me to repost:
You're trying to flip the script and jumble things up with that re-post.The HANTU philosophy wasn't what I was referring too.
The beliefs that "time doesn't exist" and the belief that "we create the world with our thoughts" were what I was referring to that YOU claimed were African and I asked you to show me proof.
Then how do you explain the following:
Africans claim that there is an entity called consciousness that is not influenced by space and time and exists in living and non-living beings and in a space less and timeless dimension..... that time is an ephemeral concept that exists only in the observer's mind. Time is a mental construct
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:The Hantu belief doesn't support either of those two assertions.
As far as our back-n-forth over risk......
YOU SAID that the rich do not take risks, and left it at that.
I said they did.Rather than simply admitting you were wrong or didn't think your position through....you tried to RE-DIRECT your argument by qualifying the TYPE of risks that the rich take.
That's like a person who claims to be non-religious but when I point out that they practice Voodoo....now they start jumping up and down cussing about the White man's religion and how they refuse to follow the religion of the colonizer.
Bottom line is: Say what you mean and mean what you say
...and we won't have these problems.
I have Said my piece ....
Who would equate Being Alive with a Financial Investment as a equal forms of Risk.
14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:The Moment it becomes another Reality how can it remain a Dream?
Because that's what Dreams ARE.....different Realities you go to when you sleep.
That's what I've been trying to tell you for weeks now....lolDreams aren't different Realities.....Dreaming is its own Reality
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1 hour ago, Delano said:
I would say the same of the mind.
The Mind is the part of Consciousness you Download or have access to
1 hour ago, Delano said:The measurement of time is not the e same as time. The only moment that exists is now. And it is infinitely short and infinitely short. That's isn't my idea.
Now is Everlasting....You only exist in the Now
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12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
They Represent Archetypes of Humanity Male and Female.....The Serpent represent an intelligence within both - This I have confirmed.
Not asking you what they "represent".
I'm asking have you confirmed and verified that the story ITSELF actually took place?Did YOU confirm that there were 2 people named Adam and Eve in a Garden talking with a reptile serpent?
You are asking that i confirm something I never affirmed.
I have found truth and i told you where it lies.
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:We are made of Atoms.....Atoms are part of Nature.
All atoms are not the same.
Never said they were.
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:And even atoms that ARE the same will produce different objects when configured and structured differently.
We are all composed of atoms....all sand grains are sand whilst sand castles may differ.
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
So no....just because two things are made from the same atoms doesn't mean they ARE THE SAME thing.They are the same at the Atomic level being composed of Atoms.
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Just like two different television shows may be made from the same light waves and sound waves coming through the same television tube....but they are two different shows because the sights and sounds are structured and formatted differently.
Yes but on the level of Photons....they are nothing but Photons
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:I am It from a different Perspective and Frequency
Which means you are DIFFERENT than the lake.
No...Only in perspective are we Different
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:We appear different as a result of Perspective and Perception Duality and Bias.
Ofcourse you APPEAR different, because you ARE different.
It seems We have had this conversation before....
Different Perspective must create The illusion of Difference....I am looking at a car's mineral composition and you are looking at it as a whole.
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Where Did the material come from to make these things?
Some came FROM (key word) nature, others came FROM the laboratories of human beings.
What is in or from these Laboratories that is not from Natures?
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:The fact that some of the material to make them comes FROM nature should also tell you that they are no longer part OF nature.
They can't be FROM it and still A PART of it at the same time.
All these material comes from Nature and remain in Nature and as such are a part of Nature.
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:There are many more women out there qualified to hold the title and office of Mayor..
Are there many more beings out there qualified to be the Supreme?
No.
That particular Being would no longer be Supreme if another Being had the same Attributes.So it alone has those Attributes...could you name one such attribute?
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Is the Supreme a Title or Office?
Title...yes.
Office...not sure.If it's a title then it can be given to others?
If its an office then others can hold or occupy it?
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:In other words is it the Only or First?
Not sure what you mean by "it"....
However The SUPREME BEING is Both the First and OnlyFirst implies others.
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Yes.....That is the case
Do you have proof or even evidence of your claim that All that exists today has always existed?
All is Nature and Nature has always existed
Energy cannot be destroyed
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:So this Being created Existence from itself???
I'm not sure.
Fair enough....
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:So there other Beings with which this Being is of a Kind?.....possible contenders?
There are certainly other B/beings out there....YOU'RE one of them.
And so am I.Contenders? No.
No contenders.
12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Is this a Being or an Entity?
Both.
An Entity IS a Being.Whatever exists...whatever "be" is a be-ing.
cool
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On 7/1/2023 at 8:34 AM, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
It is nearest truth we have until more compelling information takes us closer to truth
In some cases...yes.
I've found information (not sure how true it is) hidden away in private physical libraries that SEEMS to be true or closer to the truth than the tons of information I came across on the subject over the internet.We use what we can share..
If not then you present what you cannot share in your own words....with the name of the source - eg: book and author name
On 7/1/2023 at 8:34 AM, Pioneer1 said:Many have ventured into Parallel Universes and Timelines thru Sleep Dream Trance Drugs and Flora (plants) Consumption Sweat Lodge Illness or Meditation etc ...Too much ways to mention all.
This is true.
However none of it negates the fact that Dreams can also get you there.I never said dreams cannot get you there....Just that once there you are no longer dreamin
On 7/1/2023 at 8:34 AM, Pioneer1 said:I already showed you that these are African and Eastern philosophies.
You showed me where some of these are ALLEGEDLY Eastern philosophies...not African.
So allow me to repost:
In this article, the author discusses the African view of space-time called “Hantu.” Furthermore, he clarifies the Africans’ understanding of consciousness, which is linked to their worldview, particularly the idea of space and time. This is important because Africans claim that there is an entity called consciousness that is not influenced by space and time and exists in living and non-living beings and in a space less and timeless dimension.....
From the discussed definitions of time, Africans understand that contrary to the Western view, that time is an ephemeral concept that exists only in the observer's mind. Time is a mental construct and is derived from our daily activities, and it is something that is inseparably connected to events, activities, daily chores, and objects, which helps us carry out our duties and make sense of the world around us.
https://wireilla.com/physics/ijrap/abstract/10321ijrap01.html
On 7/1/2023 at 8:34 AM, Pioneer1 said:I challenged you to show me authentic African writings where these concepts can be found and you failed to do so.
You never made any such challenge...I have met your Initial Challenge and prove my Point - see above quote.
I quote:
Because there's nothing in ancient or recent pre-colonial African philosophy or literature that claims time "doesn't exist".
If there is...please show me.
So if you want it in Pre-colonial African writings or Literature then that's a secondary Challenge.
On 7/1/2023 at 8:34 AM, Pioneer1 said:BTW, I said "allegedly" Eastern because so often a lot of Hindu and Buddhists from Asian nations claim that the West takes SOME of their religious and spiritual content and perverts it and corrupts it while claiming it's "Eastern".
So we must be careful of ANYTHING that passes through the hands of Caucasians.True....
I have prove the above
On 7/1/2023 at 8:34 AM, Pioneer1 said:You haved..
Can you show me where I made that argument?
The below should jog your memory....Words in red are my own
"Lets bring it down to philosophical fundamentals.....all life activities includes is a risk - I am not addressing that type of risk.The Rich take Calculated Risk....
I'll take that statement as you FINALLY coming around to agreeing with me on this point, lol.
My Point is the Risk of Living .....you have no choice in the matter - it is a risk All living things MUST take
And MY point is...you first claimed that rich people DON'T take risks, and now you admit they do.
This case is CLOSED as far as I'm concerned, lol.
The Act of being Alive or the Risk of Living is way different from an Calculated Financial Investment taken by the Rich.
And no one has argued any differently....."
So I say you have....argued differently.
On 7/1/2023 at 8:34 AM, Pioneer1 said:They do not take those risks those risk are foisted on them by the very nature of them being alive.
LOL....so you're going to argue over SEMANTICS????
Ofcourse you are.You call that semantics.....The difference between an Investment and Aliveness
On 7/1/2023 at 8:34 AM, Pioneer1 said:I am Not going anywhere or hearing anything....all I am doing is remembering these things in different ways.
Perhaps in some dreams.
But not in others.I don't think you want to accept the fact that SOME dreams aren't mere memories, but actually different Realities period.
The Moment it becomes another Reality how can it remain a Dream?
On 7/1/2023 at 8:34 AM, Pioneer1 said:That a skill
Perhaps.
For Sure
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15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
frankster
Pick Your choice...I find meaning in most Bible Stories - Therein lies the TruthWell "finding meaning" isn't the same as confirming or verifying that something is TRUE.
You can "find meaning"in the trail of slime that a snail leaves as it crawls across the sidewalk....lol.Meaning is all the Truth we seek.
Yes The Meaning Africans take from "the trail of slime that a snail leaves as it crawls across the sidewalk" is called Geomancy - todays Fractals
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:It's not about "my choice", I'm asking you what stories in the Bible have YOU confirmed as being true?
True but I would rather answer One that causes you ache.
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Ok...so let's start at the beginning.
What about the story of Adam and Eve and the talking serpent; have YOU CONFIRMED this story as being truth?
And if so, how did you confirm it?They Represent Archetypes of Humanity Male and Female.....The Serpent represent an intelligence within both - This I have confirmed.
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:It is most definitely so if I am also completely made of the same thing.
Yes, IF you were COMPLETELY made of the same thing.
But you're not....which is why you are different from it.We are made of Atoms.....Atoms are part of Nature.
I am It from a different Perspective and Frequency
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:You may have water IN you like the lake, but you also have other things in you the lake doesn't have like Vitamin B, Vitamin E, testosterone, Omega 3 acids, etc....so you're NOT the same thing.
They are all Atoms....in Vibrational flux
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:We are 70% water....so we are more Lake than flesh and blood
Lol....read the above.
Also, the lake probably has aligators and snakes it it....you don't.
So again, even if you were 99% water you wouldn't be the same as the lake.
You're in it...SOME of it is in you....but you are NOT the same as the lake.We appear different as a result of Perspective and Perception Duality and Bias.
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Show me a Being that is not in part and whole of Nature
I'll show you two:
A telephone
A jet plane
What Part of Existence is not Nature???
See my previous response for atleast 2 examples.
And there are many many more.Where Did the material come from to make these things?
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:if it's the Only it cannot also be the First until there is a second.....Is there a second Supreme Being?
To answer your question, to my knowledge NO there isn't a second.
First may IMPLY that there is a second but doesn't necessarily MEAN there is a second.
Sometimes the first can be the ONLY as well.
Karen Bass if the FIRST AfroAmerican female mayor of Los Angeles and so far she's the ONLY one.
There are many more women out there qualified to hold the title and office of Mayor..
Are there many more beings out there qualified to be the Supreme?
Is the Supreme a Title or Office?
In other words is it the Only or First?
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Exactly....Objects Only exist by being Observed
I don't ascribe to this theory.
I don't think "observation" has any impact on the existence of a thing.Cool then we agree to disagree
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:If This Supreme Being exist in Time and Space them it is a Product of Shared Physical reality.
The SUPREME BEING exists both in and out of Time and Space.
Ok
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:To Create something from so called Non existence is to be left with Non existence.
No, that's not true.
If that was the case, then you would have to believe that everything that exists RIGHT NOW has ALWAYS existed.Yes.....That is the case
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Nothing from Nothing leaves Nothing .
A song by a LIMITED human being who can't even MAKE most things, let alone CREATE them.
Bought into existence from where?The question wouldn't be from "where" because it's not being brought from a particular PLACE.
It comes from a particular B/being....a Creator.
So the question would be from W/who???
So this Being created Existence from itself???
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:How do you know that this Being is most effective?
Because this BEING is the SUPREME.
If there was another BEING more effective then THEY would be the SUPREME BEING.
It's not hard if you think about it.
Of all the Beings in existence, the most Effective ONE will be the SUPREME.
The most Powerful ONE will be the SUPREME.The concept isn't difficult to understand.
So there other Beings with which this Being is of a Kind?.....possible contenders?
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:You said this Being is Supreme....if this Being is supreme there must be Lower beings?
Absolutely.
Infact all other B/beings are Lower than The SUPREME BEING.Is this a Being or an Entity?
15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
I Have A Confession....I Have More Respect For -
in Culture, Race & Economy
Posted
True
To me there is a difference between thugs and gangsters....Gangsters have a (street) code - Thugs is the law of the jungle.
Hence the reason why initially I said they were good for the community....
to those families in the community that they hurt or destroyed - how could they be good?