Delano
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It wouldn't handle ambiguity, or sarcasm as well as a human. Still can you tell.me how would model the unconscious and intuition.
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@Troy I don't think the unconscious can be coded because it is not understood. In the same way I don't think you can code emotions. You may be able to a heuristic so that response matches the emotions.
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The Isley Brothers were the best rock ‘n’ roll band ever!
Delano replied to Troy's topic in Culture, Race & Economy
The lead singer was married to Angela Winbush from the duo Rene and Angela. I Think their daughter also sings. -
I don't think it is possible to model the unconscious. It can be argued that actions have stem from a motivation. However it may be impossible to model the unconscious mind.
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The Isley Brothers were the best rock ‘n’ roll band ever!
Delano replied to Troy's topic in Culture, Race & Economy
Did you know that the Isley Brothers used to jam with Jimi Hendrix. You you listened to Ernie Isley you can hear Hendrix -
How can you model something that takes place outside of awareness
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Thank you @aka Contrarian
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Again I disagree. There is a difference between copying the elements of art and being inspired by others. Beyonce's music sounds like it oild have been created by AI. It's very formulaic and even the way she sings is very much the same. Whereas someone Miles Davis or Prince does the opposite. They are trying to create something different. You started this post mentioning AI marketing to you. Perhaps AI marketing or Art will always feel Artificial.
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Work is done in a factory and people have different roles. Work is a bit part of life. It creates social interactions and sometimes it defines who we are, we can become our job. The factory may represent life. The different people can be the way different people either approach life or how they live. So perhaps you see how people's beliefs have been limited by their thinking about life. So you are trying to not only escape this situation. You want to put a lot of distance from it. We use the word fortune to mean wealth. This is the Merriam Webster definition : a store of material possessions the turns and courses of luck accompanying one's progress (as through life). So your purse is the place where you store your talents. I mean that in more than one sense of the word. So losing your purse could either feel like you are wasting time. Since time is money. Although it makes more sense to say money is time. So you are trying to find a way out of the not becoming an automaton. What's interesting is that you include manual as well as office workers as being trapped. So it has been an ongoing process to become free or at least not to feel trapped in a role. So to the extent that you have loved the life you wanted you have left the factory. It also points to your ability to see a situation that others see as normal. Or say that's just the way that it is. Also the factory is going anywhere. Things and people come to it. Whereas a train represents movement and the occupants are more fluid as are their reasons for taking the train
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That's exactly what was found. 100% This is just one example of a study where people are reactingbtona stimulus that was to fast or short to be consciously perceived. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0044496
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Yes a couple of examples would be good And you believe that AI can model the unconscious and intuition. Okay but if you are programming I don't think sometimes understanding the unconscious and intuition is going to work. A large part of the mind is a Black Box. Did you know that we react to things that we sent able to see. Either because they happen to fast. Or we react before we have seen the image? There are quite a few of these studies. Science is at post to explain these types of occurrences. But you think AI can solve this puzzle.
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So according to the article most thinking task place outside of consciousness and intuition a vital part of that, even when it is wrong
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I can see AI being useful in dream interpretation. Since symbolism is well documented. I agree that AI assisted dream interpretation could give the interpretation more depth.
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How can you mimic something that doesn't show up in consciousness?
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@aka Contrarian Can you share the dream.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/dreaming-in-the-digital-age/202405/future-models-of-ai-enhanced-dream-interpretation
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This is an excerpt from Psychology Today. The unconscious is the vast sum of operations of the mind that take place below the level of conscious awareness. The conscious mind contains all the thoughts, feelings, cognitions, and memories we acknowledge, while the unconscious consists of deeper mental processes not readily available to the conscious mind. Much learning, especially recognition of complex patterns, takes place outside of conscious awareness. Similarly, many of the elements that go into judgments and decision-making are processed outside of awareness. Intuition, too, is a product of unconscious mental operations, a set of assumptions swiftly assembled from cumulative knowledge and experience. Much of human motivation and interpersonal attraction also take shape beyond conscious awareness.
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Do a search on "Can we map the unconscious mind" And you will see how important it and intuition are. And how they are difficult to understand how they function.
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This is where you and I disagree.
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@Troy I have spent spent 25 years reading and studying Tarot and Astrology. So I have an experience which I combine with thinking and intuition. The meanings I associate with symbols is fluid. What makes reading challenging is when contradictory symbols are combined. There is no rule or rational way to choose one or the other. A person can learn to do that but it takes time. I would say that AI can give good Tarot readings. I have gotten or few that were fitting. I think it can also do a reasonably well natal delineation. I know a Horary Astrologer that has created a Horary software application. I haven't used it but I can imagine it works. Since Horary has lots of rules that are amenable to programming. The same is it true for my system. The meanings I ascribe is a function of how I feel. The other thing I have noticed is the following. If I am doing a reading for someone the time has to feel right. I can't tell you why or even name the feeling. So unless feelings can be programmed AI won't get to the next level. Lots of Astrologers think AI is going to revolutionise Astrology. I don't think so because what happens o Astrology is divination and inspiration. Which I don't believe can be coded.
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@Troy intuition is outside of rational thought. I don't no how you can create an effective irrational algorithm. Intuition and the mind are black boxes. How can you right am algor of something that isn't understood. I look at a words or clock time and turn that into a chart. That can't be copied, because the original is in my mind. I created three different symbol sets to be able to do this. I also sometimes choose one over the other two. So that by itself is a high hurdle. I have formulae that I apply to symbol sets I have created. Sometimes I will have a few charts and I have to decide who go use. I get a feeling. It's not even a thought. Do you think AI cam be become Clairvoyant, Clairsentient, Claireaudient, Clairalience or Clairgustance
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Some links about intuition. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/explorations-of-the-mind/202308/intuition-what-it-is-and-how-it-works https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intuition
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AI runs on algorithms. Intuition takes everything you know and your unconscious pops out an answer. So I don't think that can be program. Unless we understand the mind and the unconscious.
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Intuition is not the same as computation. It is about a feeling. Everyone can think about a problem but answering intuitive is a different thing altogether. Like love it is irrational, yet it adds colour to life
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Everything that happens is already determined…
Delano replied to Troy's topic in Culture, Race & Economy
I would say that we don't choose freely. For example some wants to lose weight and exercise yet the find it difficult. Perhaps to have free will and independent mond and strong will power is needed.
