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Chev
There is NO SUCH THING AS "Hebrew Original script". Their script is based on Egypt script, Phoenician script, Cuneiform script!
I didn't say Hebrew WAS NOT based on Egyptian and Phoenician script, that doesn't mean the Hebrew script itself isn't original.
The FIRST Hebrew script is the ORIGINAL Hebrew script regardless as to when it was invented.
Let me give you an example of what I'm saying.......
We know that in Hiphop a lot of artists "sample" music from earlier sources to make new music and songs.
Although the sample and exerpts that artist used didn't come from them but came from someone else......the songs and music they made with that original sample IS new.
The sample they used isn't original but the song in it's entirety IS original.
The R&B group Total did a song called "Can't You See" and it sampled James Brown's Big Pay Back.
The beat wasn't original....it didn't come from them....but the song ITSELF was original as that song wasn't invented before they invented it.
Likewise, Hebrew is made FROM earlier scripts but as it stands IN and OF ITSELF it's also Original as there was no Hebrew script before it.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
When I say Original Hebrew script" I'm talking about the FIRST HEBREW SCRIPT.
And again, keep in mind that the Hebrews were a tribe of ancient Egypt so their script should be considered merely a variation.
And all of those languages went through transitions over thousands of years as well.
I know.
No one is denying this.
You're picking a needless argument on this one.
Because you are not formally educated you fail to understand standard translations of the words 'El' and 'YAH' of which are terms used in the KJV Version.
Lol, well since you ARE formally educated you should understand that the only time "El" and "Yah" are used in the KJV of the Bible is as prefixes and suffixes as part of other words and names.
MichaEL
GabriEL
or
ZacharIAH ( the "i" is the "y" in Yah)
IsaIAHAdoniJah
EliJah
But the names "El" and "Yah or Yahweh" are NEVER seen by themselves in the KJV.No, you are wrong all of the Egyptians, Canaanite, Sumerians, Ethiopians, use Biblical terms such as 'Ham' and 'Cham' to define themselves.
The Egyptians called themselves "Kemet"...not "Cham" or "Ham".
If I'm wrong, then show me Egyptian or Canaanite sources where they refered to THEMSELVES in these terms.
If you believe that Caucasians were powerful enough to conquer Big, tall, Black skinned Ethiopians then, your translations you refer to are completely false.
This makes no sense to me.
What does that fact that Caucasians have conquered and enslved Africans all over the world have to do with the translations of the Bible?
You say I'm the White Supremacist's greatest tool but it seems to me that the White Supremacist were doing a pretty "good" job of conquering and enslaving African peoples hundreds of years BEFORE I was even born...……….lol. -
Chev
That is your quote @Pioneer1
So, you are referring to sources that you don't believe. LOL.
Yes, I know it's my quote.
I use those sources...not because I believe in them....but because YOU believe in them.
I have other sources that confirm this but since you DON'T believe in those sources but you dobelieve in the Bible....that's why I refer to it.
And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof
I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold
unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. EXODUS 28:68. [KJV]
Trust me, this really happened! LOL.
If you say this happened....
And if this refers to AfroAmericans.....
Then I would have to ask you why would AfroAmericans serve a "Lord" who BRINGS them into Egypt again with ships and puts them into slavery or allows them to go into slavery?
We should be serving a Lord who kept us out or got us out of slavery and defeated our enemies.
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Gaaaawwwddamn!Now they're talking about just GETTING RID of the police department all together!
QuoteMinneapolis City Council members aim to 'dismantle' police department, 'rethink' public safety
Several members of the Minneapolis City Council this week have expressed support for radical changes to how the city handles law enforcement, including a move to "dismantle" the police department and replace it with "a transformative new model for public safety."
"Ahhh hell, if we can't treat the n****ers like we WANNA treat 'em then let's just get rid of the WHOLE DAMN SYSTEM and shut it all down.....sheesh!"
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No, @Pioneer1 You said the 'Jews who wrote the Bible'.
Right.
"The Negus who are considered kings in Ethiopia were the called serpents by the Jews who wrote the Bible!"
Right
No, it's NOT about referencing a particular Bible, it's about you believing that Caucasians could out power tall, black skinned CAnaanite giants!I don't know exactly WHAT happened back in that land during that time because I wasn't there.
You seem to believe that I trust the Hebrew Bible while condemning others, but that's not the case...I don't trust EITHER.
I just believe the Hebrew Bible is MORE ACCURATE than the English because it's still in it's original language, but both contain lies.
Both the Republican Caucasian AND the Democrat Caucasian are racist so it's not about one being good and the other being bad.
Both are bad.
The Republican is just more OPEN in his racism...lol.
But as far as how can the Israelites conquer the mighty Canaanites who were bigger and more powerful, I don't really know as I wasn't there to witness it.
But according TO those Bibles (which again I don't trust).....the Children of Israel received help from Yahweh their Deity.
According to the Bible Yahweh was One of the Elohim and the Elohim are more powerful than the average human.
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Chev
Same thing. I said the same thing!You did?
I don't remember you mentioning the name "El".
Or "Yahweh" for that matter.The posts I've read from you, you use the English words "God" and "Lord".
The New Revised Standard Version, however, is the same translation as the Hebrew.
No sister, it's not the same.
The New Revised Standard is a TRANSLATION....the Hebrew is the ORIGINAL SCRIPT.
According to the Bible, the CAnaanites ARE THE CHILDREN OF ADAM as well!!!
This is true.The reason for that is when the Sanhedrin (Leading Jewish Rabbis) were constructing the Pentatauch (first 5 books of the Hebrew scriptures) they had to justify to the MASSES of Caucasians why their forefathers STOLE the land from the Kenaani.
They (the head Rabbis) knew the truth.....that the Canaanites, Egyptians, and Sumerian did NOT see themselves as children of Adam, but children of the gods (Elohim)
But they had to convince the masses of the Caucasians that these giant Black people with great civilizations were not divine and from the gods but mere children of Adam (made from dirt) like they were taught in order to not fear them and revere them so much.
You can read about it in the book of Joshua when the masses of Israelites spied out the land and saw these mighty people with their great cities and saw themselves a mere grasshoppers in comparison.
So they had to devise and make up a story about them saying,
"Yeah, those Canaanites are from Adam and Eve like us too but they were CURSED. And that's why they look different from us".
It's all about lies and deceptions with them.For now, I will refer you to general references in that most of the ancient secular records, archeology, etc. shows the skulls used as cups, and the mounds of skulls, etc, in the land of Canaan.
Sista!
Don't you realize that at chopping off people's heads and using their skulls as cups are a hallmark of CAUCASIAN warfare and conquering???
That's what the Gauls, Vandals, and Scythians (lost tribes of Israel) did to the Original peoples when they invaded Europe and that's what the other Israelites did when they invaded Canaan!
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'It's just our time': Ferguson elects first black, female mayor 6 years after Michael Brown's death
Ella Jones became the first African American and first woman elected mayor in Ferguson, Missouri, nearly six years after protests erupted in the city over the death of Michael Brown, a black teenager shot and killed by a white police officer.
Jones, 65, won a historic victory Tuesday as protests continued across the country following the death of George Floyd, who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for more than eight minutes. She took 54% of the vote against challenger Heather Robinett who took 46%, according to the St. Louis County Board of Elections.
Lol, so it's "just our time" -huh?????
She was elected Tuesday, a good week into the riots.....but I suppose THAT had nothing to do with her winning, lol.
Yall know damn well if these riots didn't take place she would NOT have been elected because those devils would have stolen the election and suppressed the Black vote like they HAD been doing since the 2000 elections when Bush stole it and negroes didn't do shit about it.
But this time they didn't even TRY to steal it.
My, my, my what great things happen when your peeps get out in them streetz and raise all types of HOLY HELL.
Sista looks great for 65 btw.....
Troy you need to hop the next flight to Missouri and "push up on it".....lol. -
Oooohh so Ferguson has a SISTA in charge now???
My my my, I wonder why NOW all of a sudden.....lol.
Harry BOfcourse they aren't going to mention all of the money the preachers are stealing and tricking the people out of.
The preachers work for the system!
They are the CROWD CONTROL.
When you look at the history of Caucasian civilization, RELIGION is used to keep the people in line and the priests/preachers have been used as a BUFFER between the elites and the masses who are being exploited.
When the oppression gets so bad that the people rise up to destroy the wicked system, the elites send out the preachers/priests to "calm things down" and assure the people that if they are patient and suffer in silence that their reward is waiting on them up in the clouds somewhere.
Most of the civilians out in the streets during the riots who are trying to maintain "order" are part of the clergy....it's their job.
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Chev
Solomon was an Israelite king, not an Ethiopian king.
I said the Kings of Ethiopia (Negus) were called serpents in the Hebrew Bible.
But since you don't want to reference the HEBREW Bible and would rather stick to your English versions, there's no use in my referencing it to you.
You may want to do some research on the "serpent kings" of Ethiopia and India, though. -
Chev
This is your reference! The terms you use stems from a language NOT used in the translations of the KJV
True.
And do you see the words "Hebrew Standard Version" anywhere in there?
That's what you accused me of.
YES, you did say that LOT committed incest. He could NOT have! He was totally out of it!
Let's get something straight: I didn't say he did it....I wasn't there.....the BIBLE said he did it.
Not only does the Bible say he slept with them but he HAD CHILDREN (Moab and Ammi) by his daughters.
I just referenced it!
My official position is I don't know whether he did or not, or even EXISTED.
But I referenced it IN THE BIBLE to illustrate that it's not the Kenaani or other Original peoples who are running around engaging in incest....according to the Bible it's the children of Adam.
So if YOU know that he didn't do it, then you can roll with that.
I don't know one way or the other, but I DO know what the Bible clearly says.
Pioneer BAAL PRIEST is synonymous with HEADHUNTER! This is common knowledge in all script! Melchezadek was titled HIGH PRIEST OF THE LIVING GOD.
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I'm not sure where you're getting this information from.
Where did you read or hear that the priests of Baal were "head hunters"?
Melchezadek was titled HIGH PRIEST OF THE LIVING GOD.
Again, sis.....
This is why it's important for you to go straight to the HEBREW Bible and read the original and correct translation because these Caucasians will continue to mistranslate and re-arrange words to trick and confuse people.
Melchizedek was both a KING and a PRIEST
Melchizedek was a KING of the old city of Salem....a Kenaani (Canaanite) city built in honor of Salem (a Canaanite deity)
You say he was priest of the Living God.
According to the Bible in it's original HEBREW he was priest of El the Most High. -
Chev
When it comes to certain people like the celebrity Vanessa Williams, both of her parents are fair skinned but they are culturally African AMerican. However, she is fair to the point she could be considered PASSING. I understand that The Duchess Meghan Markle has a White father and technically, she is bi-racial, however, if a person has been reared culturally with the DOS parent, I think that would be very significant in their being defined as DOS, especially if they so choose.
This is why I separate CULTURE from RACE.
The people you mentioned above are NOT AFRICAN (Black) by race.
They are BI-RACIAL by race
....but they ARE AFRO-AMERICAN by culture.
So I will call them my brother or sister even though they are bi-racial.
What a person goes through in life may make them closer to me or farther from me in what we can relate to and talk about....but it doesn't affect their genetics.
If a person is MIXED they are MIXED....I don't care how much pain and racism they experienced, it doesn't make them any Blacker.
That same MIXED person who is catching hell in America or England from the Caucasians here, will go to Nigeria or the Congo and look down upon and oppress the jet Black African whom he thinks he looks better and is smarter than because of his Caucasian ancestry.
BTW.....
The Negus who are considered kings in Ethiopia were the called serpents by the Jews who wrote the Bible! -
Chev
But the Original Jews did NOT challenge Jesus, it was Jews such as the National group that stemmed from a movement prior to the time of Jesus. The Hellene Movement. So, Jesus was challenged by mixed-bred movement of people that were elevated above the Original Jews!!!
Therefore, they were probably telling the truth in that they had never been oppressed in Egypt.
YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS DURING THAT TIME! Geez!
You shouldn't be so quick to assume what I do and do not understand....lol.
I know there was a struggle between the Sadducees and Pharisees during the time of Jesus.
What you're calling the Hellene Movement for the Jews to become more like the Greeks was led by the Pharisees -who were Persian overseers sent to Jersusalem to monitor the Jews when they returned from exile.
The Sadducees (sons of Zadok) wanted to maintain the religion the Moses gave them when he civilized them but the Pharisees wanted to move them more in line with the rest of the Caucasians called Gentiles or Greeks.
Get outta here! That was the book you used as a reference
Go back and look at my quotes.
You will find NO QUOTE of me referencing a "Hebrew Standard Version".
I say there is the Hebrew Bible, and the various English translations like King James, American Revised, ect.....
The date of that translation was hundreds of years prior to the scriptures translated just before the time of the CRUSADES, of which became the basis for theKJV which was translated by Hebrew Israelites.
YOur version is NOT received by Christians today for specific reasons.
But, I will add that I do know some of the terms you referenced is in an Ethiopian version [GEEZ]. But however, scholars today
do NOT agree with those terms for major reasons. and today, the people speak Amharic.
I'm not sure what you mean by "my" version.
I don't have too much faith in ANY of them.....lol.
But when discussing (or in this case arguing...lol) the Bible I like to get the PURIST source possible to find out exactly what the authors meant, so I usually used the HEBREW Bible.
I haven't quoted from the Hebrew Bible on this site because I have to post the text of it along with the translation and I'm not sure how to do that here.
The texts is in both Hebrew and English letters.
But that's the one I read from and use the most.
No. The very reference you quoted states that LOT was deceived; he had no idea.
OK?
Whether he KNEW it or not, INCEST was still performed!
I said according to the Bible INCEST was commited, I didn't say Lot was willing to do it or started it or loved it or enjoyed it or was tricked into it....I said according to the Bible he DID it.
And again, you can't find ANY scriptures where the Kenaani, Kemeti, Sumarian, or other Original peoples committed incest......drunk or sober.
Today, there are numerous findings that attest to the violence in that land byway of the Canaanites. They were BAAL PRIEST, that means HEADHUNTERS
Baal was a Kenaani deity
Zedek was another
Salem (of which Jersusalem was named after) was another.
Most of these deities had "priests" or "Kohens" who served them in their dedicated temples.
That doesn't mean they were killing people or cutting off heads for them.
Melchizedek of the Bible was a Canaanite priest who came out to meet Abraham, was HE a head hunter?
As I told you before, the Kenaani were a very sexual people and this usually means violence was kept to a minimum.
What credible source can you reference to say that the priests of Baal were headhunters?
The only record we have of people KILLING others and even chopping off heads (in the case of David) for their "god" are the Israelites who went around slaughtering the Original peoples of the land in the name of Yahweh....according to the Bible. -
Chev
So are you saying that we, DOS are NOT AFrican AMerican, but we should check BI-RACIAL on applications!?
I'm saying, Yes AND No.
SOME of us are African and SOME of us are Bi-racial (mixed/mulatto)
Having SOME Caucasian ancestry isn't enough to make you bi-racial in my opinion because almost all of us have SOME Caucasian and Native American ancestry; but if you're HALF white....then you shouldn't be considered Black/African.
ARe you saying that light skinned AFrican AMericans are NOT so but they are all MIXED-BRED and should check that on applications!?
It's hard to say.
There are some AfroAmericans who are light skinned because one of their parents are Caucasian.
There are other AfroAmericans who are light skinned because although BOTH of their parents are AfroAmerican they may have had a great grand parent who was Caucasian and they happened to get the GENE for having light skin while the rest of their features (hair, nose, lips, penis size, ect....) are typical West African.
In my opinon they should be considered African because although their skin is light from their long ago Caucasian ancestor's gene, their PREDOMINATE features are African.
But that's just my opinion, I'm not a geneticis.
Are you saying that Nipsey Hussle and Haile Selassie should NOT say that they are African because of the darker skinned Bantu and Beja people?
Again, it's hard to say.
They clearly have Caucasian ancestry but how much I can't tell.
ARe you saying that they are CAUCASIAN?
No
Also, keep in mind during this discussing that there is a DIFFERENCE between AFRICANS and AFRO-AMERICANS. -
Much respect to Officer Krystal Smith!
This is what I was waiting on!
AfroAmerican officers having the courage to step up and CHECK the hell out of these race-soldiers when they attempt to mistreat our people!
It's not talked about much -because as I've said the Caucasian media LOVES to talk about some AfroAmericans getting choked, stomped, and their ass kicked by Caucasians but NOT fighting back because it makes some of our people look like dumb rabbits or deer hunted down for sport- but there was an incident in Detroit right after the 1967 riots where some Black police officers newly hired to the force were being taughted and harassed by Caucasian officers in one of the precincts.
The Black officers got together and confronted them in the parking lot and a fight ensued and then a SHOOT OUT took place!
I'm not sure what the outcome was after that but from what I was told by some of the old-heads, Black officers stopped being harassed and got welcomed to the force as equals after that incident. -
Chev
So, I take it that you are saying that they are Caucasian?
No, they are typical mixed people.
Being BOTH African and Caucasian.
Some are more African than others.
But if you study the history of the lighter skinned more wavy haired Ethiopians, Eritreans, and Somalis, you'll discover that they ENSLAVED a lot of the darker skinned Africans called "Bantus" who didn't believe in Islam or Christianity and followed a more traditional way of life.
There is friction among them to this very day!
Many of these people again are the offspring of the Caucasians (Persians, Syrians, Israelites) people who entered into East Africa thousands of years ago and began enslaving and exploiting the people.
Just like here in America the Caucasian men raped African women and started a Mixed class who thought they were better than the darker Africans....
In East Africa many of the Caucasian men who went down into Ethiopia and Somalia raped the African women down there thousands of years ago started a Mixed class of Ethiopians and Somalis who think they're better than the darker ones.
Most of the ones who migrate to the United States are the lighter skinned ones; but you should study the history of Somalia, Eritrea, and Ethiopia and how the darker more "African" featured people of those lands are treated.
It's very similar to the light-skinned dark-skinned friction that went on in America for hundreds of years.
Ethiopians of the Amhara tribe
ETHIOPIANS OF THE SURMA TRIBE (who were in the land before the Amhara) -
Chev
The New REvised Standard Version is NOT a direct translation from the Original Hebrew at all.
Whether it is nor not, the Hebrew version DOES use the word "Nephilim".
So the word "nephilim" is indeed in the REAL Bible.
You give White people too much credit in how they could possibly out power a bunch of tall, Black skinned African giants!!!
Trust me, if Derek Chauvin did not have a gun, he could NOT outpower George Floyd!!!--ANd George FLoyd is not even a giant! LOL.
You belief about White people over powering giants is absolutely ridiculous!
I'm not sure, but according to the Bible itself (which is one of the few sources available currently) they had Divine help from Yahweh who was One of the Elohim.
Lot was never accused of sleeping with his daughters!!! The scriptures say, his daughter tricked him! WOW! LOL. Stop!
Regardless of who's at fault, the Bible said he did it.According to the Bible in Genesis 19:31-36.....
36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
Whether it was intentional or not, according to this INCEST was practiced by Lot and his daughters.
Again, no evidence of the Kenaani (Canaanite people) practicing incest, not even in the Bible....but evidence of the Caucasians doing it!
You know that you are taking that scripture out of context.
Lol...well what did they mean when they said that Abraham's seed was NEVER in bondage to any man?
Then stop using MOSES as your reference, if you believe that the pyramids were built by someone else and etc
I never said Moses built the pyramids.
I don't know exactly who built them, but I know who DIDN'T build them.....the Israelites.
The pyramids are over 10,000 years old and Caucasians don't go back past 7,000 years.
Even if you don't want to believe that the Israelites are Caucasians, whatever their race was....they aren't 10,000 years old. And the pyramids are OVER 10,000 years old so other peoples had to have built them.
But back to your Hebrew Standard Version, I have contrast and compared other translations, so I cannot remember all without looking at reference,but I believe this translation was not considered by the Hebrews that translated the KJV because of major points.
I know nothing of and never said anything about a "Hebrew Standard Version".
There is the REAL Bible which is written in Hebrew, and there are various English translated versions of it.
Some are more accurate than others.
In the Hebrew bible HEBREW WORDS (Yahweh, Nephilim, Elohim, Adawm, Melek, ect....) are used.
In the various English translations ENGLISH WORDS (God, Lord, Angel, Adam, gods, giants, ect....) are usually used instead.
Sometimes they may use a Hebrew words here or there, but usually not.
That's why I like reading the Hebrew Bible itself because I get more of an accurate meaning. -
Chev
Yes, absolutely. Hebrew Israelites do have a certain look to them!Their look is based on their maternal origins--AFRICAN; that would be the Original Hebrew Israelites.
As far as posting pics, hopefully, I will later, within context. But to start with, I would definitely refer you to the pics available online of
NIPSEY HUSSLE [Ermias Joseph Ashkedon(sp?)] and his brother BLACK SAM, and their father.
Also of the late ruler HAILE SELASSIE of Ethiopia.
Also of the leader of Eritrea Isaias Afwerki.
Nipsey Hussle
Black Sam
Isaias Afwerki
These people look mixed (part African and part Caucasian).
I don't see any special "look" about them that is any different than any other mixed/mulatto peoples.
They look like the typical East African (Ethiopian and Somali) peoples who are descendants of the Original people of that region who were mixed with the Caucasian Persians, Syrians, and Arabs who came down into that land and mixed with them thousands of years ago.
You can go to the island of Puerto Rico or Cuba or down in Louisiana and find light skinned and mixed looking AfroAmericans with a lot of Caucasian ancestry who look just like them called Cajuns and Creoles.
Just like the Caucasians invaded East Africa and produced a group of mixed people.....they invaded West Africa and produced a group of mixed people.
The only differences is while these mixed peoples REMAINED in East Africa.....the mixed people of West Africa were TAKEN from there and brought to America to be slaves.
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Chev
You need to provide the reference!!! @Pioneer1I know you cannot though, but if I am wrong, then prove me wrong. The word 'Nephilim' is NOT in the Bible.
So please put the source of that word, 'Nephilim'. Also, put the reference source that says none have to do with incest.
QuoteWhen people began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of all that they chose. Then the Lord said, "My spirit shall not abide in mortals forever, for they are flesh; their days shall be one hundred twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.
— Genesis 6:1–4, New Revised Standard Version
QuoteThe Lord said to Moses, "Send men to spy out the land of Canaan, which I am giving to the Israelites" ... So they went up and spied out the land ... And they told him: "... Yet the people who live in the land are strong, and the towns are fortified and very large; and besides, we saw the descendants of Anak there." ... So they brought to the Israelites an unfavorable report of the land that they had spied out, saying, "The land that we have gone through as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people that we saw in it are of great size. There we saw the Nephilim (the Anakites come from the Nephilim); and to ourselves we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them."
— Numbers 13 New Revised Standard Version.
The original Hebrew bible uses the word Nephilim as shown above, however the King James version translated it into "giants". The New Revised Standard keeps the original Hebrew word.
So the Israelites went into the land as spies to case out the joint!
They sent spies in to check out the land of Kenaan to see what they wanted to take and pillage and plunder and when the spies went down there they saw huge gigantic people so big it made them look like grasshoppers.
The Nephilim and the Anakim (Anakites).
These are the Original people of the land who were living in a more advanced, peaceful, and healthier state so they were bigger, taller, stronger, ect...
They were the ones who originally built and laid the foundations for Jerusalem and other cities before the Caucasians invaded and stole the land. Jerusalem was originally called "Salem".
It doesn't mention anything about incest.
Again, the only incest mentioned is Lot being accused of sleeping with his daughters while drunk.
You provide the list from JUDAH and his son Caleb [?] and his wife Ephratah and their lineage and then I will try to see
what you are doubting? I don't understand what you doubt. I think David's lineage stems from Caleb and Ephratah, but I'm not sure.
He came from Jesse, before that, a bi-cultural man, and before that, Boaz [and Ruth]. So, from the time of Caleb to Boaz would mark
from the time of the Exodus to David's grandfather Boaz. Like I said, I have mapped all of the timelines in detail, but I have not look at it recently.
I provided the list of people offered in the book of Matthew that lists the people from Jacob (Israel) to King David.
However, my original point is that the so-called slavery of the Children of Israel in Egypt never happened. This is why even according to the Bible the Jews told Jesus in John 8:33
Quote"They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? "
They said they were NEVER in bondage or slavery to anyone!
Even if we can't agree on the timeline, that was my original point and this verse supports that they were never in bondage in Egypt. -
Chev
NIPSEY HUSSLE/Ermias JOSEPH Askedon did not go around calling himself Hebrew Israelite.NOt all BEja Israelites say they are from the tribe of JOseph.
The Kazakh Jews did not go around calling themselves Hebrew Israelites
The Crimean Jews did not go around calling themselves Hebrew Israelites, etc.
They stopped doing that because they were terrorized if they were identified as such.
Nipsey's father came over here back in the 50s due to circumstances along these lines.
My husband knows what people tell him about looking like Hebrew Israelites and he
is of this generation, so he understands what his father and other older relatives don't
care to delve into right now.
I didn't know Hebrew Israelites had a certain "look" to them.
Can you post pictures of what Hebrew Israelites look like that separates them from other people?
THE LOST TRIBES OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL...
The "lost" tribes are the other tribes of Caucasians who scattered into different directions from the Caucasus mountains and invaded different lands and peoples as they scattered abroad after Moses went up and civilized them.
Your jokes about my husband not being Hebrew Israelite is very disrespectful.
You are very insulting.
The American Indians are an extremely oppressed people
I already know Native Americans are oppressed, you should tell the OPPESSORS (the Caucasians who have and still are oppressing them) that, not me.
I don't recall mentioning anything about your husband outside of saying that both you and him are calling these different types of people "Hebrews" and "Israelites" when they aren't calling themselves that.
But if it sounded like I was insulting you or him, I apologizeYour Faith in the SUPREME BEING about him NOT being able to help his Black AFrican Creation return to their origins is proof of your faith, or lack there of.
The SUPREME BEING is able to do anything and Help anyone.
The question is, do most Africans WANT that Help.
Do they want Help from The SUPREME BEING, or do they want help from the Caucasian.
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Chev
It starts with Joseph!
Ok, it started with Joseph.........
Now explain to me how we get ONLY 10 or 11 generations between a 500 + years timespan between Joseph and King David!
I'm not the smartest man in the world, but PLEASE explain this to me.
How do you stretch 10 generations into 500 years?
Yes, it's incest. Giants are the manifestation of incest.
Can you provide any scientific documentation that Giants come from incest?
Can you provide Biblical quotes/scriptures that say Giants come from incest?
No matter the terminology you use, whether Elohim, Nephilim, Zummim, Jebusites, Anakim, etc. it's all based on science and genetics as it relates to incest and sex selection.
Today, this practice is rare, but still, in certain places in the east world you will see GIGANTISM and it's linked to incest.
It matters because you're using differnt names for different classes of beings.
Elohim (called God in the Bible) are the Children of El.
The Nephilim (called giants in the Bible) are the Fallen Children of the Elohim who had sex with the Caucasian women when they were driven into the mountains.
The Zummim, Jebusites, and Anakim are just some of the OTHER children of the Elohim who lived in the land, but there were many more in other parts of the Earth.
All of them are powerful being and many of them are of large stature but none of this has to do with incest.
But they are not all the same. -
Chev
No they are NOT all in debt to European economic systems or social customs.
I didn't say they ALL were in debt, but the majority are.
Please give me a list of African nations who are NOT in debt to the IMF and World Bank and other Caucasian insitutions.
You have little faith in people of AFrican descent.
Ofcourse not.
My Faith is in The SUPREME BEING......not any human being African, Caucasian, nor anybody else.
I never said that he was Israelite!!!
I gave a testimony of what others have said!!!
Like most Israelite people today, they do NOT say that, rather they say define themselves by other terminologies, and my father-in-law and his
people define themselves by tribal names.
Oh, so in other words YOU are calling them "Hebrew Israelites"....not THEM.
They aren't calling THEMSELVES Hebrews or Israelites, YOU are.
SIOUX
Like I said, THEY aren't calling themselves Hebrews or Israelite.
Maybe they should "sioux" YOU for calling them something they aren't.....lol. -
Chev
But this is be design byway of the Anti-Christ
I used to believe that the Anti-Christ was real, now I don't.
The entire concept of an "Anti-Christ" was made up by the Catholic church.
Infact, the term Anti-Christ was only mentioned ONCE in the Bible, but now you have volumes of books and dozens of movies centered around some ficticious character with dark eyes and a hood over his head planing to end the world.
Well, if the Anti-Christ IS real (not Is-rael) and is destined to end the world, perhaps that's a good thing.
If the Anti-Christ takes the Caucasians out of power and ends his world, I say LET HIM!
What do I look like running out into the woods or hiding under rocks trying to avoid the anti-Christ when he's trying to fight against and end a world built on racism and lies?
The 430 year count does NOT begin when Jacob-Israel migrated into Egypt, This is a deliberate misunderstanding that I've seen many times.
This 430 count begins with JOSEPH!!!--which causes the scriptures to be complete regarding all of the 12 sons of Jacob!
So, if you apply the scriptures about SOLOMON'S temple in the 4th year of his reign and the 430 captivity, it becomes AN EXACT DATE!!!
According to Exodus 12: 40 the entire time of the children of Israel being in Egypt was 430 years!
Did that start with Jacob or Joseph I don't know, but let's stick with the 430 years!
GIANTS are the manifestation of INCEST. LOL
All historical accounts show as does the Bible, the science behind giants is due to incest
According to the Bible in Genesis Chapter 6 the Giants are the children of the Elohim (gods) , and not a result of incest.
Some of them (known as Nephilim) had sex with Caucasian women (daughters of Adam) but this wasn't incest.
GIANTS are the manifestation of INCEST. LOL.
What?
How did you arrive at THAT conclusion?
There are a lot of children who are products of incest today and NONE of them are giants.
They have a lot of deformities as a result of incest but being giants and building huge cities and great civilizations like the giant Zummim, Jebusites, and Anakim did back in the day is not a characteristic of children of incest.
Again, the giants that you read about in the Bible are the children of the Elohim (gods). -
Chev
Knowledge is Power.
Not necessarily.
Knowledge is POTENTIAL power, but if that potential isn't exercised what good is it?
A NERD is smart and has a lot of "knowledge" but he's weak and passive so a big dumb football player can come along and kick his ass....lol.
African leaders are NOT in the state of oppression as we are over here. No one is going to believe you over a bunch educated AFrican leaders who have their own educational system.
Perhaps the African leaders are not AS oppressed, but they are still oppressed and in debt to European economic systems and social customs.
Nor do most of them have their "own" educational system.
Most of the educational systems in Africa were set up by the Europeans and Arabs who colonized them centuries ago. Even after the Europeans left most of those nations STILL use the British or French model for their education and send their children to Europe and the United States to universities.
LOL. So I should NOT believe my father-in-law who is Native American over you!?
Did your father-in-law TELL YOU that he was an Israelite?
Did your father-in-law TELL YOU that the Native Americans were Israelites?
I should NOT believe his mother, of whom spoke to me on many occasions about her life as a Native American woman, born on a RESERVATION and who remembers being a part of THE TRAIL OF TEARS!?
OK.......
Did HIS mother TELL YOU that she was an Israelite?
Did HIS mother TELL YOU that Native Americans on that reservaton were Israelites?
You and your husband may be calling them Israelites, but I want to know what THEY say they are. -
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Six Atlanta Police officers are being charged after allegedly using excessive force at protest
Six Atlanta Police officers are being charged with using excessive force during an arrest of two college students at a protest on Saturday night, Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard announced Tuesday.
The officers were filmed in downtown Atlanta breaking windows of a vehicle, yanking a woman out of the car and tasing a man. The two victims were later identified as college students at Spelman and Morehouse, both historically black schools, and were returning from protests calling for an end to police violence against black citizens.
Arrest warrants have been issued for Lonnie Hood, Willie Sauls, Ivory Streeter, Mark Gardner, Armond Jones and Roland Claud. Some of the charges against the officers include aggravated assault of Messiah Young, aggravated assault of Taniyah Pilgrim, simple battery and criminal damage to property, Howard said.
Two of the six officers, Streeter and Gardner, were terminated Sunday by Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/02/us/atlanta-police-charged-protest/index.html
WOW!
WARRANTS were put out for their arrests!!!!!
So we go from officers who KILLING people and either nothing happens to them or at the most they get re-assigned to desk duty
To now:
We have officers not only getting FIRED from their jobs but arrested and tossed in jail for tazing people and ruffing them up!
My, my, my.....
.....what marvelous things happen when niggaz act a fool......LOL.
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Chev
LOL! It absolutely does. The lineage absolutely includes the 400 year period of captivity
You say it does?
According to the Old Testament Jacob entered Egypt with his sons BEFORE they were enslaved - later on they suffered 430 years of slavery - after slavery they wandered 40 years in the desert - after stealing land from the Canaanites many more years pass - until we get to King David
With the 430 years in slavery there's no telling how many years those other events took but let's give it all a nice round CONSERVATIVE figure of .....say....500 years of time for all of this to transpire!
I just showed you the lineage that Matthew attributes to Jesus.
It goes from Jacob to Judas-Phares-Esrom-Aram-Aminadab-Nassoon-Salmon-Boaz-Obed-Jesse and eventually King David!
Are you telling me that those line of only 10 patriarchs from Judah to King David includes 500 or even 400 years????????
However, to the north in 'the Middle East' where there were trees,
this was a Canaanite practice!!!I've read no records of Kenaani (Canaanites) lynching people and hanging them from trees.
It was a very sex-based culture with a lot of rituals involving sex and fertility rites, which usually means that violence is kept to a minimum.
There is also evidence that they were vegetarian despite their great height and strength.The Creator would NOT allow Moses to address the Egyptians with a force while his people were under their control,
but after the PASSOVER, then the Creator made them fight back and defend themselves. They developed their own military system headed up by Joshua and Caleb.
Problem is, they didn't use this military force against the Egyptians they claim oppressed them!
They decided to use it against a relatively peaceful people with a major civilization who were doing absolutely nothing to them....the Kenaani (Canaanites).
The Kenaani were building their own cities, engaging in agriculture, and minding their own business when a group of wild tribes out of the desert came rushing into their cities knocking over statues, murdering people, and desecrating their sacred temples claiming their god "ordered" them to do so.
Imagine if you were sitting in your car chilling and some fool with a long beard and a roll of paper in his hand started banging on your door and trying to pull you out the car claiming it's HIS car and holding up the roll of paper calling it "holy" and claimed that god gave this car to him and you should leave it.....lol.
The scriptures written about hanging and incest, etc. were to address ancient evil practices that had already occurred hundreds, and hundreds of years prior to the Hebrew Israelite cultures that were developed in Egypt, AFrica.
The Hebrew culture was developed in Africa, but not the Israelite culture.
Again, I don't know of any records (not even in the Bible) of the Kenaani peoples or any other original peoples practicing incest or hanging people. Prostitution was common and there's some evidence of homosexuality. They had sex rituals where priests would have sex with women in the temples....but these weren't incestuous to my knowledge.
The only records we have of people being hung and committing incest are the Biblical records of the Israelites lynching the Kenaani and Lot having sex with his own daughters.
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Chev
Because I guarantee, it's NOT in there! Put the source Pioneer1
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You guarantee WHAT is not in WHERE?
I don't understand this statement, but you asked me to provide "the source".....tell me EXACTLY which statement I made that you would like me to reference a source to and I'll go and dig it up.
You completely bashed the sista that was in this community because she married a White man, but you keep giving passes to Black men and never bash them.
Lol....what?
First of all, I didn't "bash" Mel for having had relationships with Caucasian men.
(although I personally don't like it when professional AfroAmerican women do)
She can love whoever she wants to; I just pointed it out because it was relative to her criticizm of Muhammad Ali for a particular subject of which I forgot.
Trust me, if my intent were to "bash" Mel or anyone else on here the attack would be so intense that Troy would have to get involved....lol.
Now I HAVE gotten into conflicts with a few Black MEN on this site over different issues and I actually did getting into a bashing contest with one.....so where you get this crap that I always give Black men "passes" I have no idea.
As far as my criticizing AfroAmerican men OR AfroAmerican women over dating, marrying, or otherwise having sex with Caucasians....I only do it if I sense they are doing it out of a sense of INFERIORITY.
In other words, if you're sleeping with a Caucasian man because you find THAT man attractive....that's your business; but if you're sleeping with ONLY Caucasian men because you think they're BETTER than AfroAmerican men, that's what I take issue with.
u keep giving passes to your 'trillion year belief of ancient blacks' and say White/Caucasians came from them but yet, you completely do NOT say it stems from Black men having sex with white women.
No
I do NOT say this because it is NOT true....lol.
White people didn't come from Black people BECAUSE they had sex with "white women".
That doesn't even make sense anyway.
If there were White women already here for these men to have sex with then that means White people were ALREADY HERE.
First of all, I said Black people are TRILLIONS of years old and Caucasians are no more than 7,000 years old.
That's what I say.
Furthermore I said that Caucasians are here NOT because of interracial sex, but because of SELECTIVE BREEDING by a group of Black people.
You believe Caucasians/white people were enslaved in Egypt but do NOT say anything about
Wait....stop right there.
No, I DO NOT believe that Caucasians (or Israelites) were EVER enslaved in Egypt.
I believe the entire story was MADE UP in Babylon when the Rabbis were making the Pentateuch.
I DO believe Caucasians were in Egypt briefly....they were known as Sea People....before being kicked out and driven into the mountains, but they weren't enslaved.
Thousands of years later they came back to Egypt.....but not to be slaves but to rule over the people along with Canaan and other Black lands.
Again, these are BELIEFS so I could be wrong....but make sure you get my BELIEFS correct and don't attribute beliefs to me that I never said.
But you completely overlook that is the very reason why they were constantly overthrown and suppressed. Worshiping White people as gods/goddesses. Idol Worship. Idolatry. Therefore, these ancient black men were overthrown by a BLack force in service to a White supremacist system, like themselves
Well, you SAY that's the reason....but I don't know that this IS the reason.
Everyone has their own theories about how Black people fell out of power.
You say these Black kingdoms were overthrown because their leaders had sex with White women but Caucasian slave masters in America ROUTINELY had sex with and even raped African women for hundreds of years yet THEY are still in power.
Why would the Black Pharoahs be punished for interracial sex yet the Caucasian presidents, kings, masters, ect...be allowed to get away with it?
Israel committed the same sin. That's why the LORD allowed them to go in captivity, be brought back to Egypt in ships, and then eventually a lot of their children were stolen from them and never saw Egypt again.
Repeatedly the Bible KJV explains that the LORD judge the Black kings because of this very issue. If Black people, even Israel continue to obsess over White people and intermix with them and then become suppressed in their system, then why should the LORD keep delivering them?
You make some good points when it comes to the Israelites...…
In the Bible it said that the Israelite kings couldn't leave those "foreign" women alone.
Solomon and David had hundreds of "foreign" women as wives and concubines (sex slaves).
The Bible talks about Solomon's relationship with the Queen of Sheba.
But according to the Bible it wasn't JUST sleeping with foreign women that got them in trouble, they claimed that Abraham also had a relationship with a foreign (Egyptian) woman named Hagar and even had a child by her.
But his in and of itself isn't the ONLY reason for Israel's punishment.....according to the Bible.
It was SERVING THE GODS of these foreign women that got them in trouble.
Yahweh repeatedly warned them NOT to serve these other Deities but to serve Him only....but many of them continued to do so .
According to the Commandments of the Torah the biggest sin was worshipping serving OTHER gods besides Yahweh who was THEIR'S.
The question is...is Yahweh OURS?
Are AfroAmericans supposed to be serving a deity named Yahweh, or do we have our OWN God or The Supreme Being that we should be worshipping?
Therefore, he sent his son to help us because he was without sin. He did not give into White Supremacy and Colorism.
I'll leave that one alone......lol.