Pioneer1

If I had enough disposable income to....I would. Right now the money should go to more important priorities. Maybe if I had a nice big mansion About 10 or 15 (older) women running around butt naked inside Thousands of acres of property in my name And sitting on atleast $25 million .....I would feel MUCH differently! I would not only be voting but I would be HEAVILY involved in all political matters as well as the school board and everything else. I would have too much to lose to NOT be involved! One of the fatal mistakes that ultra-capitalists make is that in their extreme greed.....they let TOO MANY people fall under the cracks. Which means that usually there's a sizable amount people who just don't give a damn anymore, have given up on success, and have no vested interest in maintaining the society or it's values since they don't benefit from it anyway. They SHOULD take their cues from the Mafia and make sure EVERYONE has atleast a little "taste" of something so that everyone is atleast satisfied. That way they will help defend the Boss and keep the racket going!

Troy Ok, I admit that the scenario you laid out makes a LITTLE more sense of how that could happen but.....would your scenario give 3 million votes to the losing candidate???? You're scenario is an almost PERFECT scenario....which usually doesn't happen in real life elections. First of all there are a lot of red states like Texas, Florida, and Georgia mixed up in that 11. It's hard to believe that the SAME person who won New York and New Jersey will be the SAME person who won Georgia and Texas. If you're GOING to play the game, perhaps what Democrats should be aiming for is OVERWHELMING voter turn out in all states for them to the point that even with their cheating the Republicans will be crushed. That's how Obama and Clinton got elected. They have to fight with OVERWHELMING force. Because if it came anywhere near close then the Republicans would just cheat their way into office. Now the voters should do their part, but you also have to understand that once the Democrats actually get in office they must do THEIR PART also! Once they get in office they have to ACTUALLY FIGHT the Republicans on key issue, instead of capitulating and compromising with them. And they also have to start transfering wealth to those who voted for them! Republicans give money back to those who helped them get in office....Democrats don't give the poor or AfroAmericans shit. Not even a "thank you" card. Oh yeahhhh.....Democrats are good for shaking their finger at lazy voters. They're good for scolding the voters and telling them to get off their ass and vote, and if they don't vote then don't complain. But once these Democrats are voted in office they don't DO SHIT for those who DID get off their ass and vote for them.....which is why so many aren't motivated to vote in the first place. Like you said in another thread, people want to vote FOR something...not simply AGAINST it. Why should I even waste my time to get off the couch while enjoying my day off and run down to the polls just to vote for some asshole who ain't really going to do shit anyway? I'm supposed to vote for him because....he may be an asshole but atleast he's not AS BIG of an asshole as the Republican he's running against.

Troy roll over and die? No Stock up on food, medical supplies, and try to stay safe and survive while waiting for the chaos to come to a head and then end. Then resurface and help the survivors rebuild a brand new society. Lol....me and the other survivors may even journey to Oklahoma looking for you (hopefully you're still around) so you can tell me I was right! Might even swing by Chicago on my way from Michigan to scoop up Cynique (and her daughters....they should be close to my age) and bring them with me and my crew...on our way over there! Honestly bro, at nearly 50 as an AfroAmerican man in THIS society.....I just want the shit over with. I'm ready for something new. I don't give a damn about the Biden camp, the Trump camp, DACA, mail-in ballots,.....it's meaningless to me at this point. You made a thread the other day talking about how tired you are of the bad news and try to avoid it. It's only going to get worse and worse until the house of cards comes tumbling down. Pretend that Biden won. So what do you have to look forward to? Increased cases of Coronavirus? Mandatory vaccines? What's the nice big prize that Black folks can expect to get from EITHER one of them being in that office that they can look forward to? Besides more of the same.........

FAS for the total collapse of society is imminent and in a world, as in the 1800's, where not only do whites outnumber blacks 7 to 1, and each has 3,4,5 times more guns and the will to use them, than blacks, that is not the answer. Although I've said it before on this particular site I hadn't repeated it in THIS thread (until now) because it can be too disturbing for some people........ However I've said that while SOME AfroAmericans are doing very good...most are not and being TOTALLY annihilated may actually prove to be much better for AfroAmericans collectively than for this current system of things to remain and run it's course. If this thing doesn't fall and you continue MAINTAINING a system you think is better than nothing. You're actually prolonging the suffering of AfroAmericans collectively. Because if you think the FIRST 400 years for AfroAmericans in this land was rough....you wouldn't want to see what some of our people will end up going through if it continues on the course it has been going for the past 40 years. Slavery would be a JOKE compared to what they have planned for AfroAmericans now that technology and central Americans have been brought in to do much of their physical work. You just....((shakes head)).....you just would NOT want to be around to see it. A lot of young people who contract HIV commit suicide upon getting the diagnosis. And people shake their heads and say what a shame, how could someone so young be so "silly" and make such a big mistake. But if you go to a hospital and see some of those who decided to "live through it" and end up with full blown AIDS..... If they are still able to talk many of them may tell you they WISH they had committed suicide early on and gotten it over with than to go through the shit they are currently going through. Death would be welcomed with open arms. What I'm trying to say is AfroAmericans collectively have very little to lose if society collapsed. It's politics, not a gentleman's agreement. It's chess, not checkers. Problem is, in Presidential politics Caucasians not only own the board and pieces you're playing with but they actually MAKE THE RULES. So why should we continue to participate in a game we have little control over?

Daniel I don’t have a problem with Ultra-Right wing organizations just because of their labeling and description by the media. Black People openly belong to the Proud Boys. Based on the news reporting I have heard they have been a counterbalance to Antifa and BLM. There were Black folks who sided with the Confederacy to keep slavery going. There were Black folks in Africa who helped Caucasians to enslave other Black folks. There are Black officers who lie and help fill out paper work in defense of Caucasian officers who shot an unarmed Black person. Just because a Black person participates in an organization, doesn't mean it's not viciously racist and evil. There are some AfroAmericans who are stupid enough and non-caring enough to do ANYTHING including kill their own mothers for a quick buck or some fame....let alone sell out their entire race. By that I mean I have assessed his political philosophy and see that there is no benefit in discussing matters of politics with him. Lol..... To the contrary, YOU were being educated but your "handlers" got worried and warned you to top talking politics with me because they knew the impact I was having on the viewer who were following our exchanges. The biggest difference between you and our other associate is that Lol @ "our associate". Sounds like the Mafia. "Hey fellas...... Meet our new associate here!" Troy Well.......... Not sure of the entire circumstance surrounding his contracting the Coronavirus but if Trump is an ASYMPTOMATIC positive this could potentially be used by him to downplay the seriousness of the disease. (like someone else we know....lol) Did you understand what I wrote about electors? If so then you'd know your statement is irrelevant. I totally understand what you said as well as the process. What I DON'T understand.....and perhaps you can explain it to me.....is how someone can win the popular vote by 3 million and LEGITIMATELY lose the electoral vote. That doesn't add up. Although it's not exact, the amount of electoral votes are supposed to LINE UP with the population in each state. So while it's conceivable to win the popular vote by...say...HALF a million...and still lose the electoral vote. How in the WORLD can someone get 3 million more popular votes and lose the electorate????? That's almost like getting straight A's in your class but STILL flunking on some sort of technicality.

Ndamdi Interesting name..... Are you Yoruba or Igbo? For the most part I did the same thing until I started writing my book. People are hiding their identity just like the people who wear hoods and lynch mobs. When I decide whether or not to do things, I don't just go by emotions but I also like to weigh the benefits and consequences to determine is it worth doing. I simply see very little benefit in putting my name and picture on this or any other discussion board or social media at this time. A lot of our people (African people) love acting off of EMOTION. They'll put their identity and other personal information all over the internet and social media as some sort of act of "bravery" as if they're showing courage or being impressive. It means nothing. Infact it's a clear sign of LACK OF GOOD JUDGEMENT. The more information you put out about yourself the more opportunity you give people to potentially identify you and harm you. You DO realize that White Supremacists monitor many African sites looking for victims don't you? If you don't...you should. Hell, if you're smart enough to write books it would seem to me that you'd also be smart enough to protect your identity and realize the potential dangers if you don't.

Ok sis, thanks for clearing that up for me!

Troy The Civil War wasn't a total collapse. Infact, it wasn't a collapse at all. It would have been a collapse if the SOUTH had won. But yeah, we're better off than we were during Chattel Slavery (slavery still exists in prison) but AfroAmericans collectively aren't better off than they were during the Reconstruction years between 1870-1920. Choosing not to vote over voting makes no sense to me. Where is the upside in not voting? From a practical point of view, you could be doing something better. Something you enjoy. Rather than wasting time doing something non-constructive. For example...... If I were unemployed I would rather lay on the couch and watch pornography than get up, get in my vehicle, and drive to Wendys just to apply for a job that pays $8 an hour. and apply for a job at Wendy's to make only $8 an hour.

Troy I live in state where more that half of the Black men did not vote. If every Black person here voted for Hillary. 45 Hillary would have gotten all of Florida's electors and won the election. This pretty plain @Pioneer1 spreading your conspiracy theory just discourages Black people from voting. Brother! Hillary won the popular vote by over 3 MILLION people, but STILL didn't get elected. Now what in the increasingly-polarized-world makes you think that a few more AfroAmericans voting for her in Florida would have made any difference? Net-net I've been better off during the Trump years than I was during the Obama years, but I can't say that either man has been responsible one way or the other (save 45's $1,200 check). Same here. Although I must say that I'm not sure if I feel as safe under Trump as I did during the Obama years. Especially the way so many openly racist Caucasians have been walking around with military style weapons since 2017. Why did you dodge Pioneer1's question Danielle? Because his "handlers" warned him not to get into back-n-forth arguments with me....LOL. "Jeez, Coggins..... Come on man will ya just leave that guy alone! Push the agenda and ignore him. Just push the agenda!"

Sounds like it may be an interesting story but the name "Tranqueray" though...... She doesn't look transgendered at all to me. Why is so much AfroAmerican documentaries and sexual stories today pushing the "trans" this and "trans" that now a days. This sister was pole dancing back in the 60s and 70s...come on now, how popular was transgenderism back in those days?

Daniel Your beloved Great White Hope (Trump) that you have so much faith in told a White Supremacist organization to "stand by". Stand by....for WHAT??? You proudly support a man who REFUSES to condemn White Supremacy. Troy I vote, but I vote in LOCAL elections. I don't vote in the Federal Election (not since Obama's first term) because I know it doesn't count. They've already decided who will get in. Most AfroAmericans don't want to acknowledge or even believe this because to do so means they would have to admit they have no REAL political power. .....something they don't want to accept. Kind of like a woman who WANTS her husband to love her and doesn't want to accept the fact that he's cheating on her despite all of the evidence (like finding naked women under the bed from time to time....lol) . "Ooooweee...."

Lol.....you mean from 2% to 2.3% ?

I said it before and I'll say it again: For MOST AfroAmericans* it's better for Trump to stay in office and continue doing what he's doing. ....which is ruining the fabric of the nation and destroying the integrity and credibility of traditional institutions. Theoretically, what many are hoping for is that Biden/Harris will get in and restore the economy and social stability and get things back to "normal" or how they were before Agent Orange took office. The same thing President Obama did after G.W. Bush left office. But is that what we REALLY want? I can understand why Caucasians would want things to get back to "normal"; they were doing GREAT. But should WE as AfroAmericans want things to get back to "normal" in this society? Or do we want MASSIVE CHANGE that will benefit us and our progeny for countless generations to come? If so, that probably won't happen as long as things remain "normal" in this society. Let's look at what WAS "normal" in this society before the pandemic: -Most AfroAmericans working on jobs (if they worked at all) that they DIDN'T LIKE, the wages were decreasing and the work demands increasing -Extremely high unemployment rate for AfroAmericans. -Every 15 years or so a new "drug" hit the streets getting causing more crime, addiction, and social instability -Unarmed Black men, women, and children being shot down in the street by racist law enforcement -Hundred of thousands of AfroAmericans warehoused in jails and prisons with little hope for many of them inside OR when they get out -Millions and millions of immigrants coming to the United States each year to get jobs, get businesses, and some even getting rich, but most making it CLEAR that they want nothing to do with AfroAmericans Is THAT what some of you want to get back to? I say TOTAL COLLAPSE of society would be much better than going back to that. Why? Because AFTER total collapse there is usually a RE-building process that atleast gives you the opportunity to learn from past mistakes and build things even better. What's in it for us? A NICE BRIGHT BEAUTIFUL future welcomes us as AfroAmericans! However we have to get PAST the chaos of this crumbling establishment first so that a new one can be built. * By "most" I'm not talking about the fortunate few who like the smartest rats in a maze somehow found a way to "make it" in America..... but the majority of people who are struggling to support themselves in this society,

So..... Since this one is dedicated to Republicans but you want to honor ALL of our best....does that mean you'll start another thread in honor of President Obama? After all, achieving the office of President of the United States definitely counts as being among the best and brightest!

"Hey Coggins! Hey, what's up buddy...it's me...Jared. Yeah, hey listen....don't go back and forth with that Pioneer guy. Just....yeah, yeah......but just leave him alone! Yeah......I know.....but you're not winning. The guy's busting your ass on every point. You're just giving him more opportunities to spread his rhetoric. Just ignore him like we told you and stick to the plan.....ok? Yeah.....alright buddy. We'll be talking to ya. " ((click)) Daniel:

Daniel There’s nothing more to gain from conversing with you. Typical selfish Republican attitude. "What's in it for me???" "If there's no personal gain involved, it's not worth my time." .....lol.

You obviously knew him better than I do..... But it's hard for ME to believe a man who spent his life fighting for worker's rights, ran for office as a Democrat, supported other Democrats, and even helped Jesse Jackson out in his Presidential campaign would turn around and smilingly approve of his son joining a party that was diametrically OPPOSED to everything he fought for.

I don't have a problem with money in and of itself. However I understand there are some things MORE IMPORTANT than money. HEALTH is more important than money. PEACE and SAFETY in most cases is more important than money. Which is why I don't rob banks or sell drugs. Because despite the huge amounts of money that MAY (not guaranteed) come from both....it's not worth the pain and suffering that could come from getting shot and seriously injured OR having your liberty taken away through incarceration. *Nor will I drive a taxi in New York without a weapon because the White folks I work for TOLD me not to. ((shakes head)) A silly Negro will "sell out" his own people for money because he THINKS he's benefiting from it and being smart. "Wow! Look at all the money they gave me for not indicting those cops in the Breonna Taylor case!" "Good job boy! Well, now that THAT'S cleared up...... We're on our way to YOUR daughter's apartment to see her about some unpaid parking tickets! What good is joining a racist organization like the Republican Party and get millions of dollars from them to help them trick and incarcerate other AfroAmericans.....when at the end of the operation they will TAKE all of the money you didn't spend back from you and toss YOU into the cage with the other Negroes you helped capture? It's one thing if you're guaranteed immunity from the racism you HELP Caucasians inflict on others. I would simply call into question the MORALS of a person like that. But if you help sell your own out without any type of GUARANTEE of immunity....that's just a straight up fool! I admit that Republicans seem to treat THEIR flunkies better than the Democrats do, but even Republican flunkies will be sacrificed and thrown to the dogs by the higher ups if that's what it takes.

Daniel Lol..... The "point" is that you're trying to DEFLECT from the obvious.

I understand....and have for quite some time....that Conservatives/Republicans aren't really who or what they PORTRAY themselves to be. They claim to be for morality and patriotism but really care little about neither. The ONLY thing they are consistent about is their lust for making money...at all costs. They will risk their health, their very lives, and the lives of everyone around them just to make a quick buck.

Daniel ??????? You are clearly confused and misinformed about the positions of both ADOS and FBA. Lol....and I have a sneaky idea that you probably aren't INTERESTED in knowing their true positions anyway. Black Conservatives (like other Conservatives) should just go ahead and admit that true "Patriotism" and celebrating the rich history and contributions of Black Americans is NOT a priority or even a concern of theirs. They may shout "freedom" and fly the American flag to be seen but their only REAL concern is making a fast buck and are willing to sacrifice the lives of half the nation in order to do so.

Daniel He was a Communist and former member of the Communist Party USA with Gus Hall. OK? Although it's not the same..... Wouldn't him being a Communist mean he would be CLOSER to the more Socialist philosophy of most Democrats than that of the ultra-Capitalist Republicans? -From his career with labor unions. -To his membership in the Communist party -To his help with Jessie Jackson's campaign later in his life .....NO information that you've provided us with about your father so far suggests that he would even REMOTELY approve of your associating yourself with a racist ultra-Capitalist Republican party.

Racist. White Police Are. Trying. To-Provoke. A. Race. War Well...why do they HAVE to provoke one? With all that AfroAmericans have been through during the past 500 years in this land why haven't they ALREADY been at war since atleast the 1960s? This is one of the reasons I constantly question the intelligence level of the AfroAmerican community collectively. What do you think White men would do if THEY were faced with the same situation our people face? "Listen up you guys! Three Black guys just shot ANOTHER unarmed white woman in her own home! We need to do something about this! We need to first have some church And then we need to get out in the streets and have a PEACEFUL PROTEST!" Does anyone really think this would be THEIR reaction? Black. Police. Remain. Silent. Good point. I wonder what's been going through the minds of Black police officers....especially in Louisville....when they see what's going on. They AREN'T stupid because in order to become a cop you have to have some intelligence and common sense. They HAVE to notice a pattern going on. I wonder if many have simply made up their minds to believe that "a lot of our people are just so silly there is no hope for them" so they've decided to get on the side of Caucasian racists where there is power and order and hope they have mercy on them.

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Daniel neither of those groups advance full citizenship and try to apply the sins of the father to the son and daughters. ????? Where did you get that information? The Bible is the only book I know of that advocates that......lol. Both of those groups STRESS the full citizenship of AfroAmericans and preach that we are the REAL Americans more so than any other group. Personally, I don't think any American is "more or less" American than another. Either you are an American or you're not. But THEY stress the hell out of Black Americanism. Their patriotism is undeniable. Caucasians want to OWN patriotism and they want to lead the world to believe that being a "true American" means being White or that only White Americans are "real" Americans.....but those brothers preach otherwise. They lack historical justification, because of you follow their logic, this land would be turned over to the Nations or to La Raza. Both of which are not in my best interest. I'm not sure about ADOS but the FBA movement by Tariq Nasheed is VEHENMENTLY anti-immigrant. They don't support La Raza or any other Latino movement and focus strictly on Black American empowerment. Infact, he tells Black Americans to stop marching for and supporting immigrant rights and immigrant causes so much and let them "hold their own nuts" and fight for themelves.