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Troy Perhaps, but ignorance and fear is fueled by somone getting rich, so you'll never get rid of that unless you recognize and deal with the root cause. Man, I ain't EVER heard of such an anti-capitalist business owner....lol.

Troy They would have benefited by looking at their own Brothers more closely. Malcolm had as many agents around as he had true believers Obviously Malcolm's assassins were Black too. True. However we don't have a problem being suspicious of our own. Having a distrust of eachother is something most AfroAmericans don't have to be told to do, lol. A Black man coming up to you smiling, asking you a bunch of personal questions and kissing your wife on her cheek while grabbing her by the waist (or attempting to) will be met with your IMMEDIATE disapproval if not hostility. Yet White men often do this to AfroAmerican couples they run into in public events and these actions are WELCOMED. Not only will a Black woman LET some strange Caucasian man come up and kiss her on the cheek.....but is actually FLATTERED that he was willing to put his mouth on her! Now she'll let "Jared" kiss her.....but let Jamal or Pookie run up and try to get some sugar...... "Oh my goodness!!! Ain't seen yall in 12 years! How yall doin' ? Mmmmmm chumm 'ere baby....." BOP ! BAM ! Call the ambulance for that brother. If we are so fixated on race you'd loose site of your true enemy, who is usually more motivated by green than any other color, whether they be Black or white. My main enemies are IGNORANCE and FEAR. If I can keep both of them away from me, I'll be alright!

Troy Again Colorism is a different conversation as it deals with people within the same ethnic group (or race as you understand it). Nooooot necessarily...... Not only is colorism a problem WITHIN the AfroAmerican community but it is also a problem in how OTHER ethnic groups (like Asians and Latinos) deal with US as AfroAmericans as well as themselves. They often favor the lightest skinned AfroAmericans over the darker skinned among us. I've had Asians and Latinos favor me over many other AfroAmericans because of my skin color as if I belonged to another "class" all together. In American slavery it was ALL about "race." I never said it wasn't. what you are missing is that it did not start out that way. White supremacy justified the American style of slavery which was novel at the time. You specifically said that it was "about economics.....what else could it have been about", suggesting that there was no other major factor besides that; then proceed to argue me for a page and a half over whether or not it was about racism. Now you're saying it was ALL about race...lol. Which is an even more extreme position that I've taken! Because I don't think it was ALL about race myself, although race was the major factor. Do you think is Aryans of 20th century Germany cared that Jews, or Russians, or most of the American they fought were you understand as "white?" This is an example of the instability of White Supremacist doctrine..... Because the fact that they did NOT consider them fully "white" was the precise reasons why the Germans FOUGHT against the Jews and Russians! The German Aryans considered themselves the PURIST of "White people" and they considered Jews and Russians "mongrels" because of the large amounts of African, Arab, and Mongolian ancestry....so they sought to eliminate them. This statement tells me you have less than a superficial knowledge if India's caste system. I can't go there with you... Oh, give me a break...... Daniel Latinos are really the Spanish translation of the Anglo Experience. They are also trapped in the Southern European web. ??? Can you explain what you meant by that?

Troy They would have benefited by looking at their own Brothers more closely. Malcolm had as many agents around as he had true believers Obviously Malcolm's assassins were Black too. True. However we don't have a problem being suspicious of our own. Having a distrust of eachother is something most AfroAmericans don't have to be told to do, lol. A Black man coming up to you smiling, asking you a bunch of personal questions and kissing your wife on her cheek while grabbing her by the waist (or attempting to) will be met with your IMMEDIATE disapproval if not hostility. Yet White men often do this to AfroAmerican couples they run into in public events and these actions are WELCOMED. If we are so fixated on race you'd loose site of your true enemy, who is usually more motivated by green than any other color, whether they be Black or white. My main enemies are IGNORANCE and FEAR. If I can keep both of them away from me, I'll be alright!

Chev You do the work for the White man, spreading his lies, trying to discredit the Bible about the origins of the Black African man. You promote the Bible which was GIVEN to our people by the Caucasian, but accuse ME of spreading his lies?????? because of the scientific process that has finally been published all over the world and support the facts that all anatomically straight Y-DNA males stem from one male origin from Africa. I'm curious as to what COLOR are these "scientists" who authored this scientific process you praise so much. Because if you believe the White man lies and promotes deception, why would you believe in his "science" and point to it as some sort of proof? You can't condemn White Supremacy in the morning, then turn around and use the work OF the White Supremacists to prove your religious beliefs in the afternoon. I though Eugenics meant something like 'Good killing' or 'mercy killing'? That's "euthenasia". Eugenics is the promotion of EU-ropean genes.

Chev HABESHA, this is another term I wrote about as well and refers to both the Ethiopian Jews and the Eritreans, Tigranyans, etc. and this term too, stems from the more ancient term of HEBREW. And I know of other terms but again, I understand why they would refer to the term House of Israel. I haven't read about Habesha steming from the term "Hebrew". Infact the word "Hebrew" isn't an ancient term but it's an ANGLICANIZED term of the word "Iber" or "Ibrim". I know that Habesha is related to the term ABBYSINIA which was another ancient term for the Ethiopia/Somalia area. If you say that a White Caucasian man named MUSA left from 'some point' and went to the Caucasus or Central Asia, then, this would be confirmed in ancient script, somewhere. But I never said that. The name MUSA is a 'Black Name'. Lol.....that's because Musa came from a Black NATION (Kemet). That is ridiculous, White Supremacist do NOT want to admit they come from Africa. White Supremacists are the ones who CAME UP with the theory of humanity come from Africa. It's called the "Theory of Evolution". Prior to that, no one claimed that ALL of humanity came from Africa...not even Africans themselves. You know all Black scripts claim to be linked to Africa and Kemet. Not the Dravidian and Sumerian scripts. They were Black and were not linked to Africa except by skin color. You know the Bible is based on EGYPT in Africa. Why are you writing such lies? Because they aren't lies. The Bible YOU believe in clearly says that Noah and his family came down from Mt. Ararat to populate the rest of the Earth. Mr. Ararat is NOT in Africa. Again, YOUR Bible does not teach that human beings came from Africa. The Bible isn't based in Egypt or Africa by the way. It's based in Aramaic and Greek. African people did NOT come from Asia and you have no script to support this. The scriptures YOU believe in support this. In Genesis it says that when Noah's son Ham came down from Mt. Ararat (in Asia) he fathered Mizraim and Phut who are the alleged fathers of the African nations of Egypt and Ethiopia/Somalia. In other words, Ham....the father of Africa (according to your scriptures) came from Asia.

Chev The Mogul Muslims via Seljuk Turks occurred thousands and thousands of years after the Black African presence has been apart of the ancient sub-continent of India. Yes. This is true, but the question is to what exent? Because Africans are over 40,000 years old and had been exploring traveling (no need to "explore" our own planet) the rest of the planet since that time...ofcourse SOME Africans had went to India for trade and other reasons. But I don't think that's where the BULK of the African population that exists in the Indian sub-continent come from. The Dravidians you speak of came way before the Seljuk Turks and Tamerlame became apart of India. The Dravidians didn't "come". They were already there. They had been their millions if not billions of years because THEY are the original humans. Western scholars seem to always rely upon their myths to suppress true origins of many terms and code it for themselves and a select few. This is correct! As I explained (or tried to.....they don't want to listen because I'm not a Caucasian....lol) to Delano and Daniel in the other thread, myths are SYMBOLIC stories. They are SECRET CODES codes that have been made up by SECRET SOCIETIES to pass information along to eachother without the masses understanding and knowing it. That's one of the reasons I study the Bible but don't believe in it. Because most of the stories are collections of ancient myths that were written by those with the actual knowledge to hide and actual truth. The term 'Europa' and its' root variations in words such as 'Euroclydon' 'Eurus', 'Eunice', etc. have different meanings but goes back to an origin of meaning specifically THE EAST. The root 'Eu' means 'good'. But 'Euroclydon' means a bad northeast wind. So, the word 'EUROPE' as a whole refers to THE EAST and I think specifically 'southeast'. I know they TELL us that "eu" means "good" but try this one on for size....... I was taught that the prefix EU actually means "up high" or "elevated" and actually "hills and mountains" Eu-genics good genes (highest genes) Eu-topia good feeling (high feeling or the feeling of being high) Eu-gene Euphoria Etc.... Europeans were named that because of their elevated/up high/ mountainous origins. And the land we NOW call "Europe" (which wasn't the original name...we both can agree on that) came from the "Eu" people who INVADED it when they came from the Caucasus mountains.

Chev and Delano The matrilineal system is the OLDEST in the world. It also makes the most sense (in my opinion). We can obviously SEE who your mother is, but your father.....((raises hands)).....lol. Like the old saying go, "Mama's baby...Papa's....maybe". What video? There is a brief but pretty interesting video a few posts up you may want to take a look at. Troy If slavery came BEFORE racism then how do you explain the racist CASTE system of India that is THOUSANDS of years old? ..much older than both the European or even Arab enslavement of Africans. This is a well documented history of an Aryan race who invade, degrade, mistreat, and slaughter the Black Dravidian race of ancient India and set up a caste system and religion (Hinduism) over them that survives until this very day! It was "peculiar" because of the racist component. Now we're making SOME progress, lol. You're now admitting that racism atleast played SOME role in slavery when before on the previous page you were claiming it was ONLY about economics. So, things are coming along just fine. Lets leave colorism out of the conversation, because while it too is born of racism, it is some BS Black people engage amongst ourselves You may be surprised to know that "colorism" or praising light skin over dark skin is even MORE of a problem among Latinos, East Asians, and Native Americans than it is among our people in the United States! And the reason for this is White Supremacy and it's earlier exploits.

Chev Everytime a Caucasian comes around me or see them coming to a mostly AfroAmerican event I say to myself or to other AfroAmericans: "OK, what are they up to now?" "Yeah...old Don Devil is riding again, wonder what or who is he looking for THIS time?" I am AUTOMATICALLY highly suspicious of them and remain that way UNTIL they give me a reason to lower my suspicion and be just a "little" suspicious....lol. That's one of the things I've learned from the Nation of Islam. You don't have to be disrespectful or rude or start cussing them out and confronting them asking them why are they here or who they work for, just keep your guard up and don't take ANYTHING they say on face value but investigate it. I've learned from observation and experience that Caucasians don't come around you UNLESS they have a reason and it's usually to gather information to take back and further the goals of White Supremacy! They come among our people being nosy and asking all types of crazy ass questions to gather information....... "Hey there buddy! Nice book I see ya got, what's it all about?" "Hey Devonte, where ya from? How old are ya? Oh come on man, you can tell meeee!" Just asking our people ALL TYPES of crazy ass questions learning as much as they can about YOU but won't tell you a DAMN THING about himself, lol. And many of our people...from being victimized by racism for so long...are just so happy that a Caucasian is willing to talk to them and show them some attention are MORE than willing to spill the beans and tell them anything they want to know. Our people have been taught since childhood to love and give unconditional trust to Caucasians through the religious and educational systems of the United States. That's why Caucasian men like Jim Jones were able to gather so many AfroAmericans into his People's Temple organization and haul them down to Guyana for mass suicide. He targeted AfroAmericans because he KNEW so many of them trusted him. All they needed was a Caucasian to show them a little love and pat them on the head and that was enough for many of them to go CRAZY falling in love with him and declaring him to be a "good white man" a "big daddy" even "Jesus" and vow to follow him to the ends of the Earth.

Chev At any rate, can you tell me what other names they ascribe to? Beta Yisrael or The House Of Israel. I grew up in a neighborhood that was transitioning from being mostly Jewish to mostly AfroAmerican and had many interactions with Jews (even Holocaust Survivors) including a few so-called "Ethiopian Jews" who would speak at events and tell us about themselves and their life in both Ethiopia and Israel. They didn't like to be called "Jews". It would be good to see you reference this MUSA of 2000 BC. And I would love to! Problem is, you don't accept or respect my references. You ask for them, and when I give them to you then you dismiss and treat them like a used piece of tissue. But you are rejecting ALL truth in your belief about Asian people and their origins from Black Africa Lol, how can I or you or anybody else reject "all" truth when nobody even KNOWS all the truth to reject it? Like I said, humanity didn't come from Africa...that was a lie that started with the Caucasian's racist "theory of evolution". They found an old monkey bone here, and an elephant knee-cap there....and concocted some "out of Africa" crap that they've managed to trick almost the whole world into believing. How many ancient BLACK SCRIPTS claim that all humans came out of Africa? Why are the ONLY references to this are Caucasians claiming it today? Even the Bible (which I don't believe in but you do) doesn't say that humanity came OUT of Africa! Infact, it says the opposite....so why do you believe it? The Black man WENT INTO Africa from Asia for many purposes, but one of which is when we established kingdoms in Kemet and they began to get repeatedly attacked....different Kemites started going further and further down into the continent to escape being conquered and enslaved. Again, that was just ONE of the reasons. Another reasons was to make us tougher. But that's a different story all together.

Chev Most Ethiopians who are CALLED "Jews" by others actually reject the term just like they reject the term "Falasha". They have another name for themselves, not a name the West PUTS on them. Okay, so we are dealing with two different issues then. You refer to 'a Musa' at the time of what!? 3000 bc, 2000 bc or when? I believe Musa was sent up from Kemet around 2000 B.C. According to my source, him and his crew spent about 20 something years with the Caucasians (ofcourse with occasional trips back to Kemet during this time) in his mission. But I personally don't have an exact date, only a time frame. If you don't believe that all modern mankind stem from one African male origin, then you reject all truth and that is really funny. You agree with a long running lie that all of the scientific community have finally came forward to report. All of the international scientific scholars across the world accept this obvious truth about the genetics of ALL modern mankind. DNA does not lie. Paternity test are 99.99% accurate. @Pioneer1 you can't be serious? First problem is your use of the term "mankind". This is a term designated strictly for CAUCASIANS (White people) but not the rest of humanity. We are the human or HUE-man.....while he is mankind or a KIND-of man. We are the original man....he is a copy of us. Secondly, I've explained to you several times that neither Caucasians nor any other race came FROM Africans. Yes they came from BLACK people...but not the African type, but rather the Asian type.

Oh no, not in the face....lol. Troy That is because you judge people largely on how they look; which is probably why you are so fixated on people's skin color. Whether it's good or bad, the fact is MOST men judge a woman's attractiveness largely on her physical appearance. It's part of natural instinct because her looks is genetic and can be passed down from generation to generation...not necessarily her politics or religion. Dude because people were closeted, ashamed, it was all hidden. Just because you didn't see it does not mean it did not exist. I knew a few openly gay AfroAmerican men growing up.....not as many as today...but they existed. But I'm not talking about being GAY I'm talking about TRANSGENDERED and there's a difference. Trangendered is a form of sexual "confusion" in which you are anatomically one sex but identify with another. I'm saying THAT was far less common when I was growing up in the AfroAmerican community as you see today. Gansta rap proliferated because it was profitable According to those who follow these things, Gangsta Rap is mostly LISTENED to by AfroAmericans but mostly BOUGHT by Caucasians. One must question why so many Caucasians love supporting music that promotes and glorifies the worst elements of the AfroAmerican community. That would be like AfroAmericans being the largest purchasers of Nazi material and supporting the Nazi culture. *You KNOW you need to be ashamed of yourself picking on that sweet little innocent young lady like that, lol.

Delano The tried to use Native Americans but they didn't survive . Actually, MILLIONS of Native Americans were enslaved....under the Spanish and Portuguese. And not only did they survive, but millions are STILL in virtual slavery and serfdom, they just don't call themselves by their ancestral names or identify as Native American. They simply call themselves "Latino" or "Mexicano" or "Columbiano". Slavery took on different forms in different regions depending on which Caucasians were overseeing it. Africans weren't the only ones enslaved, Native Americans and East Asians (Chinese) as well as Dravidians were also enslaved. Chev Mores correctly, the term is not actually 'Racism' though, but Colorism and White Supremacy, that came first before slavery. The motivation comes before the act. Slavery is a response to the issue of hating Black people and people of color. 👍 I can't believe you hit the nail DIRECTLY on the head of what my answer WOULD have been had I decided to answer it....lol. The belief and ideology of White Supremacy had to first be established among themselves before they could use it systematically as a weapon against others. But I deliberately avoided answering the question because I knew it's just part of Troy's little "denial" game and wasn't going to be suckered into it.

((all rise)) The Honorable Judge Franklin Delano The Answer is Slavery Do you have any documented proof or strong historic evidence for your answer?

Troy You find Candace "revolting"????? Damn. What is it bro? Did the White wife hypnotize you or something, lol. I don't agree with the girl's politics but "revolting" would be one of the LAST words I'd use for her. Anyway, they briefly discussed how stereotypical "Black culture" has been portrayed over the past generation and how we went from having wholesome shows featuring intelligent AfroAmerican families like The Cosby Show and Family Matters to shows like Real Housewives of Atlanta and Love And Hiphop. I remember when The Cosby Show was getting a bad rap back in the 1990s for supposedly not giving an accurate portrayal of AfroAmerican families but I didn't understand this because atleast HALF of the Black families I grew up around had both parents in the home and were highly functioning even if they didn't have a lot of money. Violence and teen pregnancy was a pretty big problem, but you didn't see any transgendered or suicidal children and I believe there were only a few autistic children in the entire school. Hip Hop was cooped by non-Black people to generate wealth for non-Black people. As a tool for wealth generation Hop Hip has been wildly successful. Any influence on "Black culture," for better or worse, is purely incidental. So I take it that you don't believe there was a CONSPIRACY to promote gangsta rap and all of the glorification of murder, drug dealing, and social dysfunctionality that comes along with it toward the Black community, huh?

Sure I can answer your question, but I don't need to because I already understand your reasoning....it's called DENIAL. Any AfroAmerican witnessing the racial tensions going on in the United States today and can STILL deny the existence of different races is living LAVISHLY along the banks of DENIAL River, lol.

I was watching Candace Owens interviewing a pro Second Amendment AfroAmerican man named Maj Toure and it reminded me of the exchange between Troy and myself about how AfroAmerican communities around the nation differ and how those who grew up in the Industrial Midwest in the 1970s had a different experience than those who grew up on the Eastcoast at the same time. I don't agree with everything he says but if you watch the video from where I started it (20 minute mark) to the next 10 minutes or so he goes deep into how "Black Culture" has been twisted and turned since the 1990s and how Hip Hop was used as a tool to help change the image of Black culture for the worse. When he mentions how the Cosby Show represented Black culture from his perspective and Candace said that Family Matters represented Black culture I understood completely what they said because THOSE were the typical "Black family" models that I remembered growing up in a working class Black neighborhood in Detroit. They weren't doctors or lawyers like the Huxtables, but they were working class factory workers with both parents and it was almost ALL Black! The lawyers were Black The police were Black. Many of the teachers were Black. The city workers were Black. Although it did have it's ghettos, most Black folks I grew up seeing in Chicago, Detroit, and Milwaukee in the late 70s DID NOT live packed up in slums being kicked around by white police officers like so many AfroAmericans in New York or Los Angeles during that same time. We must understand that a lot of AfroAmericans were doing MUCH better back in the 1970s and 1980s in places like Chicago, Detroit, and St. Louis than their children are currently.

Interesting video........... My thought on it is that while it IS interesting and informative to a certain extent, we must keep in mind that it's being presented to us by a CAUCASIAN.....so stop right there. Anytime you have information being presented to you by a member of a group of people WELL KNOWN for being masters of confusion and deception, you must take it with a grain of salt and be very suspect of all of the information being offered. 1. He starts off with confusion by referring to Europeans as "Westerners" when geographically speaking Europe as just as far west as Africa. If you mean "European" or "White man" then SAY THAT, and stop masking it up in confusing terms! 2. He focuses on Africa and why Europe was so successful in conquering Africa but only makes passing references to those same Europeans being able to conquer Asia as well as both American continents EVEN MORE thoroughly than Africa! What were his intentions in making it seem as if Africa was an anomaly, when the rest of the world shared the same fate under the Europeans? He does a half-way decent job disproving what Jared Diamond says in his book but when it comes to explaining what HE believes is the reason why Europe was able to dominate and colonize so much more of the planet than any other group he doesn't offer an alternative answer. In fact, he dismisses it by saying that we may "never know the answer" at the 1: 25 minute mark. And we know that ALL questions have answers. Which makes me wonder if the THINKS he has the answers to the question but doesn't want to reveal them. But on the flip side I DID learn something from this video. I learned about the Great Benin City! Although I knew of Benin as an empire, I hadn't remembered even hearing of Benin City until this video. Now I'm going to do more research on this great West African pre-colonial city. Thanx for the video.

Delano I've heard of and read through that book. I don't recall reading in it that West Africans actually DID explore much of the world from Europe to East Asia and there is much evidence that they knew about and had sailed to the Americas centuries BEFORE Columbus. Yet with all of this traveling Africans didn't seem to have a desire to COLONIZE the people (take the land and force the people in it to work for them) they visited, like the Europeans did. The book may focus on comparing Europe with Africa.... but we must remember that there are OTHER continents filled with OTHER people who apparently didn't have the desire to colonize either. So instead of comparing Europe with just Africa, maybe it would be better to compare Europe with THE REST OF HUMANITY and ask the question why THEY (E (Europeans) are more likely than any other group to go around colonizing other lands. What was and is it about their particular thinking patterns and genetics that influence them and makes them WANT to do this to other people more so than any other group?

Delano Power resides with the ruling elite, which are a few families that have old money. Which as far as I can tell in the US doesn't include Black folks. So while it looks like racee it is always about power. Ok, I hear what you're saying....... So if it's NOT about race but ALWAYS about power then why doesn't the Elite class in the United States INCLUDE Black people in it's ranks? They say AfroAmericans make up about 14% of the U.S. population so taking statistical margins of error into account I would say that if race ISN'T a factor then anywhere from 12% to 16% of that Elite class SHOULD be made up of AfroAmericans. Any idea why this isn't the case?

Delano The plantation system was rebranded: Massa -> Owner , Overseer -> Manager , Miss Ann -> Reception , House Slaves -> Middle Office , Field Slaves -> Back Office Or Massa = Warden Overseers = Corrections Officers Slaves = Prisoners Eastern Europe is very different than the South in terms of climate . This helps to prove my case that slavery in the United States IS for the most part racially based. It's not the ONLY factor, but it was a major and probably main factor. How well a collective group of people tolerate sun and heat is a matter of genetics (race). Your comment ignores "racial" differences Because Troy didn't see race involved in slavery and believes it was strictly economics. My illustration shows how it made LESS economic sense to go all the way to Africa trading, fighting, buying, and stealing people....many of whom ended up dying on their way over on the ship......if it were all about money. Troy The fact that white people were enslaved both here and Europe for all of recorded history means nothing to you... Ok, so White people were enslaved! Lol....so what? Hell, Caucasians were enslaved BEFORE Africans were. Now how does that fact DISPROVE what I said about United States slavery being racially motivated? I'm glad you grew in a nice community. Well you don't SOUND like it....lol. You sound more like my angry cousins from the hard ghetto who used to clown on and bully the kids in my neighborhood and take their bikes and other toys away from them until they got ready to go back home....that is.....unless the relatives of THOSE kids were visiting from another ghetto and fought them off. Then THEY became the bullies on the block until THEY went home. The ORIGINAL BeBe's kids.....lol. With your background @Pioneer1 why aren't you wearing a MAGA hat? Bring back the good old days when women knew their place and homos were in the closet right? I don't know about all of that, I know that in the 1970s through the early 80s (periods that I actually remember) AfroAmericans collectively in the Detroit and Chicago area did MUCH better than they did in the 2000s. There were more Black business and more Black love. And from what I HEARD from those who were older than me, there was a lot of success and prosperity reaching back into the late 50s among AfroAmericans in those cities! A totally different story from the narrative we hear from a lot of economists today, but I got it from eye witnesses who were actually AROUND in those days to verify what was really going on. My kids and I had it FAR better off. Than my parents and I. The average Black person is better off today You're looking at things from a selfish and limited point of view, you're not taking AfroAmerican communities through out the ENTIRE nation into consideration. I'm telling you that in the Midwest and South most AfroAmerican communities were in WORSE shape in the early 2000s than they were in the 1970s and 1980s. They did NOT live as good as their parents did and lost most of the houses and businesses that their parents left them. Clearly AfroAmericans in the Midwest and South had a different experience than our brothers and sisters on the Eastcoast because of it's much larger manufacturing base...and it's collapse. But even on the Coasts (specifically New York and Los Angeles) many former mostly AfroAmerican neighborhoods have been ruined by the Crack pandemic and either gentrified or destroyed. More AfroAmericans are incarcerated today than in any other time in history....how can you say things are better?

Troy Of course slavery is about economics (wealth), what else was it about? Race. They specifically went to Africa to import people for slavery instead of using the MILLIONS of poor Caucasians in Eastern Europe they could have just as easily used. They could have brought them here and enslaved them for a much cheaper cost and it would have been much safer than having to travel all the way to Africa and back. It's clearly a racial issue because we see the same group of people operating in the same discriminatory and destructive way all over the world whether they are doing it to Black people, Brown people, or Yellow people.....the SAME group of the SAME color is responsible. Or as Neely Fuller Jr. would call them, the "Usual Suspects"....lol. Troy & Daniel You are CLEARLY too young (or privileged) to remember the crime ridden, under served urban ghettos of the 70s and 80s in places like NYC, Newark, DC, Philly, ... to make that statement. You are so right @Troy. They just don’t know what it was like when Black men under 35 were considered an endangered species. Don't mean to start trippin' over region but YALL need to wrap your minds around the fact that not all AfroAmerican lived packed up in large ghetto tenements and high rises as was so common for AfroAmericans on the Eastcoast. Back in the 1970s........ If you had LEFT that region and traveled to the Industrial Midwest and visited places like Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Gary, ect....you'd find MILLIONS of AfroAmericans living in nice big homes, with well kept yards, driving nice cars, and making plenty of money from working on manufacturing jobs that were plentiful at the time. New York and the East Coast in general wasn't big on manufacturing so it didn't attract as many AfroAmericans as the Industrial Midwest did. And from what I've heard and read most of the AfroAmericans it DID attract end up having to turn into criminals just to make a living and survive. My father and his brothers left the south as young men and one of my uncles decided to go live in Brooklyn instead of Detroit....BIG MISTAKE. While my father AND mother did pretty well on their working class jobs raising us my father used to tell me the stories that my uncle would tell HIM from living in New York. About the crime and violence he would see just walking down the street on his way to get something to eat and how the people lived. This was the early 60s through the mid-80s until my uncle passed away. Another lived in D.C.....same story. I guess in a way we WERE spoiled in Detroit because we had an AfroAmerican mayor who protected us from a lot of the racism and obvious economic oppression that so many AfroAmericans around the nation experienced. I grew up seeing Black mayors, Black police officers, Black judges, Black lawyers, Black folks running things (so I thought) so a lot of the bullshit I would hear AfroAmericans talk about on television living was foreign to me as a kid. I remember when NWA and other rappers came out cussing about racist police abuse and how all they want to do is lock up and shoot down black men...I couldn't relate because even in the mid-80s most of the police in Detroit were Black. Now in the SUBURBS it was a different story, but we didn't go out there much. It wasn't until I actually went to California and SAW how the police treated AfroAmericans there that I could halfway understand what they were rapping about. Now don't get me wrong..... Chicago, Detroit, and Milwaukee had it's slums and violence, but MOST AfroAmericans didn't live in them. I would say right up to the mid 1980s less than HALF of the AfroAmericans were living in the ghetto, most were doing good. But that's right around the time things really began to decline fast because the last of the factory jobs were leaving. From what I could tell, most Black folks lived pretty decent down South too back in the 1970s and 80s.

Alulkoy How do you know so much about Native Americans to "correct" us. Are you a REAL Native American or one of those pale "Prete-ndians" who only CLAIM Native American ancestry when it's convenient? And like Troy asked, what the hell is an "abo-centric"??????

Del The real fight is class warfare Class warfare may be A real fight, but it's not THE real fight. Unless you're talking about racial classes. This "it's all about economics" or "slavery was about economics" attitude is a form of denial and simplism. It's a red herring tossed out by the White Supremacists to cause confusion among people of color and take the focus off of THEM. They do the same thing by promoting Socialism as a solution to racism.....as if things would be any different under White Socialist rule. If anyone denies this then tell me what skin color are those as the VERY TOP and what skin color are those as the VERY BOTTOM of the economy of the planet. I had to cuss out a Caucasian man a couple days ago who went to an AfroAmerican event trying to convince them that just supporting socialism would be a solution to all of their problems and some silly starry-eyed negroes were falling for it. What country do Blacks call their own. What Language what culture, other than what grew out of Slavery. Are you serious? When you say "Blacks" are you talking about Black people WORLD WIDE or just AfroAmericans? Yeah they got a few Casino what did we get? The White House for 8 years? I know it's not the REAL seat of power, but it looked good for symbolism...lol. Daniel That’s not the case. Native Americans define the bottom. I believe this to be the case also. We still have most of our own continent as well as hundreds of millions of us scattered through out the Western Hemisphere with various forms of wealth and power distributed among us. The Native Americans have had BOTH continents stolen from them and many are catching all types of hell. It's been my observation that MOST true Native Americans don't even recognize themselves as Native American but call themselves "Latino" Blacks are doing way better in America than they believe they are. We will continue to grow and prosper if we don’t allow ourselves to be distracted. Not sure how old you are but I'm pushing 50 and I can tell you that collectively speaking AfroAmericans were MUCH better off in the 70s and early 80s than they were about 5 years ago over 2 years ago overall. The AfroAmerican family was more intact. They had more well paying manufacturing jobs. They had more of their own businesses. Fewer were incarcerated. Fewer children were being born autistic, asthmatic, and other chronic diseases. The success and prosperity our people had at that time was more WHOLISTIC, more under our control, and better for the overall good of the community....kind of like what the Asians are experiencing today. As opposed to a flashy, flamboyant , "controlled" wealth of today where a handful of negroes are paid to engage in self-destructive behavior.

Daniel please tell me an Aztec Myth or one of the Lenapi or the Picts. Besides Quetzecoatl, I don't know any myths OF the Aztecs, Lenapi, or Picts. However, I know that the Picts THEMSELVES....who were the original Black inhabitants of Western Europe...were mythologized as the "Trolls" and "Leprachauns" of Scottish and Irish mythology to hide the Black origins of early Europe. White Supremacy is the same. Jesse Owens comes to mind. But White Supremacy isn't a myth, it's an IDEOLOGY and SYSTEM. Jesse Owens being able to out run a German may have embarrassed Hitler but didn't shake the Caucasian power structure one bit. Hell, they INCORPORATE Black athletes and make money off of their talents...lol. What makes a person Black? All humans originated in Africa, besides cultural difference they are one people. If cultural differences were the ONLY differences between human beings....then even CULTURAL differences would not exist. All cultures (diet, language, thought patterns, ect....) are a result of both the ENVIRONMENT and GENETICS of a particular group that help shape their behavior. For example....... If you study societies that have POLYGAMOUS marriage structures (like West Africans)....you find that the men tend to have high testosterone genetics; and on the flip side societies with MONOGAMOUS marriage structures (like northern Europeans) are societies where most of the men have low testosterone genetics. It's the same with diet Those cultures that have a lot of spicy foods usually are populated with people with a genetics for a wide variety of taste buds. Your GENETICS influence the type of culture your people will practice because it influences your behavior, likes, dislikes, and tendencies. Tanning is part of of many Caucasian cultures, but not part of ANY African culture....due to genetics of melanin. So there are more differences between humans groups than JUST culture because something CAUSED those cultures to be different in the first place besides climate and environment. I constantly hear you gripping about White Supremacy, I don’t hear you mentioning Asian Supremacy or Mexican La Raza Supremacy. Because they don't exist...lol. There can only be ONE group in charge and hold the position of most powerful at a time. If White Supremacists are in charge and run the world....the Asians and Mexican CAN'T be supreme by definition. One can have more power over the other....but neither are supreme. Now, personally I don't like that term "White Supremacy" because ONLY The SUPREME BEING is "Supreme". I prefer to use "Caucasian Domination" instead but most people haven't heard of the term. Even Yacub was an experiment performed on a black man to create the white man. Oh another myth. I hope that demonstrates I know what myths are and how they live and die. Lol, it demonstrated to me as well as CONFIRMED for me what I thought but wasn't quite sure of....that you (not sure about Delano) didn't know what an actual myth was. At any rate.... A "myth" is a SYMBOLIC STORY. It's not a simple story or fable or tale.....but a type of CODED LANGUAGE constructed by a secret society designed to hide certain truths from the general public so that only those with the keys to DE-CODE the story will understand. For example...... Adam and Eve is a MYTH that symbolizes the early makings of the Caucasian race. Noah and the Ark is another MYTH written to symbolize the Caucasian coming down from the mountains. Like most myths around the planet, they were written by priests and secret societies to HIDE certain truths from the public but reveal them only to certain initiates and adepts.