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That doesn't come anywhere CLOSE to answering my question. All you did was level accusations after offering me a career option....lol. Again, can you PLEASE explain to me how an economic system where the average person (whether it's me, you, those who work for us, ect....) MUST RELY on the person they work for for their VERY SURVIVAL as well as the survival of their family -a "liberating" economic system ????? You are literally BONDED to your employer for your very sustenance.

🙄 Sir....can you PLEASE tell me what is "liberating" about a system where you must RELY on and work for your employer just to provide you with enough income to feed, clothe, and house you and your family? Didn't the same situation exist in slavery where you had to rely on and work for "massa" to provide food, clothing, and shelter for you and your family?

Many of our people tend to be STRANGE. Think in STRANGE ways and do STRANGE things. For example..... While most people around the world seek to UNITE with their own people and don't believe in standing out as different than others....a lot of AfroAmericans like and actually SEEK being "different" for the attention that it draws to them. They'll go around call themselves Republican, or atheist, or even bi-sexual....not because they really fall into these groups but because it's DIFFERENT. It sets them apart from most of the other AfroAmericans in their environment and draws attention to them. It sparks discussion. It causes their name to be frequently mentioned during casual conversation. Troy I completely disagree with not voting in a presidential election I believe voting is effective in local elections, but as far as the federal elections.....it's a done deal. The REAL "powers that be" in this nation have already decided who is getting in office and who is not. National voting is just ceremonial.

Troy I'm not sure who the skinny Caucasian woman is, I just pulled her picture as an example. Hey going back to the photo you started the conversation with who, as sexist as it this might sound, would you pick first? I'm liking the sister in the far right That's who I'm thinking too. She reminds me of a younger Lauryn Hill, lol. With the one on the far left a close second. Speaking of sexy women in their 50s, Kamala about 55 years old and ain't bad at all! The fact that she didn't take her husband's last name is telling.

Daniel You don’t acknowledge the government is the people, not separate from the people. Under a Capitalist system the government is NOT the people as a whole; the government is CERTAIN people who are beholden to the business sector. I think that’s exactly why the little government conservative movement is having a tough time messaging. Lol, that's not why. It's having a tough time because having a small government in this modern age is impractical. You can't manage a nation of 330 million people with a small ineffective government. When the Caucasian conservatives in leadership say they want "small government", what they really mean (because they double-talk) is they want a WEAK federal government coupled with a strong unfettered private sector. We have existed for 200+ years without a national healthcare system. Exactly. And look at the millions who have suffered and died in the United States as a result of this lack. You can start with the Covid 19 crisis and work your way 200 years back.

Troy I don't believe any of your scenarios will come to pass, Not even the first one? The first scenario is what's been happening in America for the past 40 years. I'm surprised you can't see that happening. But like I said before, it would be the WORSE case scenario because things will carry on as usual and the AfroAmerican community will continue to SLOWLY deteriorate into savagery. I know you don't want to hear this, you probably cringe and shake your head when I say it but if things continue as they've BEEN going Negroes are going to get dumber and dumber, lose most if not all of their political and economic power, the violence in the hood will increase, and over HALF of the men and women will start going queer and transgendered out of sexual confusion.....it will eventually be mass savagery and chaos. Again, this is the WORSE case scenario meaning....NOTHING happens and things remain as they've been going. But as I said I do NOT believe that will be the case. I think things are going to change very quickly for the better but there'll probably be brief chaos first. but you should write a book on your later scenario. Maybe if I'm still alive and able bodied AFTER it's all over....I will, lol. We may be too busy tearing down old buildings and building new ones. Like I said, the main concern for AfroAmericans right now should be to SURVIVE and get through the chaos that is going on and probably will only intensify in the coming months. I don't know if I said this or not but I believe there will be a mini-Civil War in the Black community while all of the other chaos is going on among Caucasians. At some point the gangsters and thugs will have to go.

Daniel You are not taking into consideration the Repatriation movement that created Liberia I know about it, but I didn't consider it because you didn't bring it up, you brought up Garvey. So I am quite sure with a recommendation for Dr Carson you would be free to leave. Why should I leave? Why don't the Republican Conservatives leave and form their OWN nation based on the traditional Western values that they claim to love with: -no taxes -no government healthcare -no public schools -no abortion ect.... And let's see how long it lasts before Russia's Putin takes it over and gives you the Great White Dictator you're looking for....lol. Go to Helsinki and you will see a clean city. That's because it's in Europe and unlike the United State many European and Asian nations believe in keeping the ENTIRE city clean and educating ALL of their citizens. Why do you think nearly all of the Chinese and Koreans who come to America are good at math? Just like they believe in educating ALL of thier children, not just a few here and there.,... They believe in keeping ALL of their city clean, not just certain sections while letting other parts crumble. Back before the "Reagan Revolution" of the early 1980s...... Garbage collection in most cities was controlled by the city governments and most of the garbage men were Black, made good money, and there were not part of cities where trash was ALLOWED to just pile up for months and years. Reagan comes in and leaves and now almost all of the sanitation services are PRIVATELY owned and most cities have entire vacant lots of filth and trash. Like I said, it's up to the city and state to maintain the infrastructure and keep the city clean. They have the resources and money to keep the streets clean, the trash picked up, and the decaying buildings torn down. The city is taking in MILLIONS of dollars in the people's taxes to keep the city clean and if that doesn't happen it's THEIR fault. Why should private citizens have to wade through lots of trash getting stuck by dirty dope-addict needles doing THEIR job while city leaders steal millions?

Troy you think all women have nice bodies. I don't think SHE has a very nice body: But that's MY opinion, other men may think differently. Michelle however: If her body was still this put together in her mid-50s....I could imagine how she was stacked when Barack first met her. Del Not everyone shares your perspective, and you disrespect people by crossing their boundaries. Not everyone is the same height and weight as you are, and people won't like it if you walk up and slap them in the face. Lol, your turn......

Troy Few have the stomach, energy, or wherewithal to plan and execute a full on revelation. Desperation will make most people do nearly anything. When the power in your home is out and there is no food to eat, you're gonna get up and do SOMETHING.....lol. Would would be the optimal outcome of your race war, revolution, whatever you call it Lol...why do you call it MINE???? You see all the shit happening in Portland and Seattle and around the nation, did I cause it? Am I just MAKING all of this up out of my imagination? Covid 19, the economy, and other things have gotten people scared, angry, and desperate......I'm just telling you what's happening. Worse case scenario: Nothing Changes. It's the worse because it means the system will REMAIN in place and the conditions in the AfroAmerican community will continue to deteriorate slowly. 2nd from Worse case scenario: Most AfroAmericans are killed and what few left are put BACK into actual slavery. It's not the absolute worse because most of our people get to just DIE and finally be free from participating in the suffering and humiliation of what may actually become a stronger system of White Supremacy. Trust it bro..... If this wicked racist system is prolonged, the diseases and riots people are talking about this year will be considered MILD compared to the diseases and other disasters the planet will witness from the hands of White Supremacists as they LOCK DOWN on power. You wouldn't even want to be around to witness it, let alone experience it. Selling books would be the LAST thing on your mind! I'm not smart enough to know the absolute BEST case scenario but..... A very good case scenario: The racist system collapses, society falls into chaos, and the smartest and most intelligent of AfroAmericans eventually survive and rise out of it to form a much better society for ourselves and our children. Other races and ethnicity will live PEACEFULLY under our rule, but they will have to obey our rules and laws. I truly believe THIS (very good case scenario) is exactly what will happen! Which is why the goal should be for us to stay alive and remain as healthy and safe as we can so we can get through it to the OTHER SIDE where their is success and prosperity awaiting you, me, and those of us who survive by the Divine Favor of The SUPREME BEING. We....AfroAmericans....are the people who are destined to take over and rule America. Not by ourselves, but all others will respect us and our authority and will find peace. The question is WHEN and which generation.

Troy Would it make you feel better if I tell you that your argument suggests that MOST women don't enjoy the attention they get from men who flirt with them and show them sexual attention? Would that be a more accurate assessment? You appear to have a low threshold for what is considered "harassment". Like I said, Obama routinely badgered Michelle for a date and they were supposed to be professionals who knew the law.....lol. I admit, she's got a nice body but I'm still trying to figure out what was SO irresistible about that woman that he just couldn't leave her alone.

Daniel AG. William Barr would probably do the same thing that AG. Hoover did to Garvey which was PREVENT him from leaving America....lol.

Troy Sexual harassment is bad. Expressing interest in someone that is reciprocated is good (though tricky in a professional work environment) You'll get no arguments from ME over either one of those statements. Where is the argument? Also you like to use the words ANY and NEVER when your argument is weak, simply because it is difficult to prove that any situation involving humans will ALWAYS be true or NEVER to true. Lol...... Man, what in the ever-changing WORLD are you talking about?

Troy I'm not saying or even suggesting that you are out of touch. The issue has nothing to do with your personal efforts or desires, it's about your innate ability to be successful in an educational and economic system that was DESIGNED to limit and minimize the intellectual and financial progress of most AfroAmericans. It doesn't matter if you grew up in Harlem or Beverly Hills, this society....including it's public educational system and career oppotunities...is carefully crafted so that MOST AfroAmericans will find it confusing to navigate through, and unmotivated to be successful in. Only those who are smart enough and/or have some sort of major gift or talent like music and sports and/or in many cases Divinely Favored more than average.....will be successful in this system. The rest will struggle and many will just fall out of the bottom ending up homeless, incarcerated, or dead. And what is "success"? The quick definition is accomplishing your goals but overall general success as most people understanding it is making enough money to independently provide food, clothing, and decent housing for themselves without any help AND be healthy both mentally and physcally. And if you have children you can provide all of this for them also..without any other help. If you can't do this, you aren't economically successful. Most AfroAmericans ARE NOT doing this. Most are living off of eachother, hustling on the side to TRY and get things taken care off, and living in and out of the "system" after being caught doing things that were "illegal" to TRY to make a living for themselves. However I do not think a complete revolution will result in a better outcome for us as a people. Not unless we have a well thought out plan for OUR OWN system as AfroAmericans. There are a lot of Caucasians who are trying to start a revolution and tear down the system to IMPLIMENT SLAVERY! Yes....... Not all of those Caucasians out there angry and protesting are angry for the same reasons. Some say the nation has given AfroAmericans TOO MUCH FREEDOM and want things restored to slavery days!!! The key is to have a plan OF OUR OWN not just sit around waiting on angry fed-up Caucasians to do all the work. This is the message I was telling AJ. If all of use supported local indie business and stop using am*zon. Our communities would improve overnight -- no revolution necessary. It may improve to a CERTAIN extent but not nearly as much as is needed. If you're in prison and only getting 1 hour of exercise a day...getting 3 hours is considered a MAJOR improvement. But it's still nothing compared to getting released when you can exercise when you WANT....lol. Lasting improvement would only come with removing the system that creates the problems in the first place. If not, then you'll only replace am*zon with ANOTHER mega-corporation that is even more exploitative. You must also think of your children. When it comes to successful and well educated AfroAmericans....except for a few in those Black Fraternities and Sororities....much of the time the CHILDREN of wealthy and successful AfroAmericans don't even do as well as their parents. Why not? Because they SYSTEM was designed to prevent AfroAmericans from passing along wealth and power!

Troy OK can you explain, concisely, what this civil war looks like. The temporary protest in Seattle and other cities do rise to the level of a civil war. ((shrugs shoulders)) Outside of what has already taken place, I'm not sure what it will "look like" as it begins to intensify besides probably more weapons and more people involved. I'm thinking at some point many of these racist militias will get involved but to what extent I'm not sure....I'm kind of following this thing where it goes. In my world white people are showning a great deal of support for Black folks supporting our businesses (including AALBC) and marching in the streets of Seattle and other cities (something I'm not doing). Well this is the thing Troy......... I know you and many other successful AfroAmericans probably like things the way they are. I'm not saying you LOVE the way things are because there are many injustices that you speak on and try to solve; but overall....you're a smart man and like most smart and gifted AfroAmericans...can navigate in this society better than most AfroAmericans. Smart and gifted Black folks....who would probably do good in ANY society...just can't see what the problem is or understand "why those other negroes just can't get it together and make America work for them like it works for us!".....lol. Because they aren't smart enough or gifted enough...that's why. There are more BLACK MALES in prison and jail right now than ALL of the AfroAmerican men and women making over $40,000 in the entire nation! We're not including the Black women in jail. We're not including ALL AfroAmericans who are homeless, addicted to drugs, living a life of crime, are very sick, ect....just MEN who are incarcerated! More AfroAmerican males incarcerated than ALL of the AfroAmericans making the $40,000 or more.....think about that. MOST of our people can't make it in THIS society...only a fortunate few. MOST of our people aren't smart enough or gifted enough to overcome all of the obstacles being put in their way....and we have to understsand this and stop trying to ignore it or dance around it or make excuses for it or try to "work with" it. You can't work your way around people in power who are TRYING to limit your success and curtail your progress at every chance they get. Rather than continuing to jump over hurdles, duck projectiles, and over-come obstacles to have some sort of resemblance of success for only a MINORITY of our people....... Wouldn't it be best that the entire system collapse and be replaced with a new system where the MAJORITY can easily be successful and make good living for themselves and their children? How can you have that while THIS system is still operating in full force? So maybe Agent Orange is actually a blessing in disguise because he comes along and causes chaos and tears down elements of the very system that has kept MOST AfroAmericans suppressed and in a state of arrested development.

Troy So why don't you cast a vote for 45 since that is who you want to win? Honestly, although I'm glad he got the nomiations I don't want it on record that I actually voted for him....lol It's like watching a Confederate protestor getting beat up. You're glad it happened but you don't want the guilt of having done it yourself, lol. You know your belief of an imminent civil war sounds like a paranoid delusion, right? I'm not sure how you can say that after all of the NATION WIDE riots that have been occuring all over this nation this year. Look at what happening in Portland and Seattle. For nearly 3 months thousands of mostly Caucasians have been battling law enforcement and federal officers out there....that's a war. They just don't have tanks and advanced weapons, but they are still fighting as best they can! What does a "Civil War" look like to you? Do you have to see a bunch of hillbillies walking down your street with grey uniforms on waving a Confederate flag BEFORE you recognize that a Civil War is already taking place? Have you expressed these ideas to others you know you well, in the real world? Yes, but most of them already agree with me and some even TOLD ME that a Civil War was going on before I believed it! Some people have been preaching this was coming for years if not decades. Based upon other things you've written i presume you believe it will be a race war? Is that right? Although I believe race will be involved, as I've said on numerous occasions AfroAmericans are ALREADY in a race-war. It started over 500 years ago. As the ongoing Civil War intensifies far more Caucasians will be slaughtering eachother than they will AfroAmericans....far more. I think a lot of issues are going to be involved in pissing so many Caucasians off that they will get out into the streets and go crazy on eachother. Many are saying that this upcoming November election will be a major flashpoint.

Daniel Efforts have already taken place by The Persistence a homosexual white conservative. They have been organizing clean ups of the neighborhood. A "homosexual conservative".... Now see, that's a joke right there! It's a contradiction which tells you that these Cacuasians are not serious about what they CLAIM to be but are playing games and being deceptive. What values would a homosexual want to "conserve" except RACISM....which is the real intent. Listen Daniel, all over the nation you have these little Caucasian led non-profit organizations running around the inner-city ghettoes with brooms and garbage bags "cleaning up". You see it in Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, New Orleans..... These programs are only minimally effective and were designed to serve 2 main purposes: 1. It's for SHOW. It's designed to make it look like AfroAmericans can't keep their own communities clean....which it's really the CITY'S responsibility to keep it clean. So now a bunch of "good white folks" have to come down to the ghetto and clean it up for them. 2. Like most non-profits, it's designed to give Caucasians (mostly college kids) JOBS and GRANT MONEY. What Caucasians in government (both Republican and Democrat) have been doing for the past 50 year or so is ALLOWING certain services and programs to slowly collapse (like the USPS) so that the AfroAmericans working on them can be laid off and lose their good civil-service jobs. That void then it allows non-profit organizations with very few if ANY Black folks in them to come in and take over those services and get BILLIONS of dollars in grant money coming from the federal government....instead of the Black workers. Even those who CLAIM they aren't getting any money are actually getting money and other benefits under the table. They are shuffling money around UNDER the table and trying to keep it out of the hands of AfroAmericans. It's one big game.

Yeah, that was the Black woman who walked through the ghetto in Baltimore as part of a campaign ad. Poor sista.....lol. Does she REALLY think the ghettoes of Baltimore will be cleaned up under Republican rule? Like I said before, it doesn't matter if Satan is in power or The Devil is in power....as long as you are in Hell you're going to get burned. It will be like running from one plantation to the next complaining about how the OTHER master mistreats the slaves and makes them work too hard, when the system of slavery ITSELF is the problem. The system itself needs to come down and be replaced.

Troy Sure our genetics gave rise to our ability to use language, but the language we use is a function of culture not genetics. You're putting the cart BEFORE the horse. Culture...in part...is DERIVED from language. But most people had a language BEFORE the culture was developed. Just like they had a diet BEFORE the culture was developed. Culture evolved and revolved AROUND language, diet, and certain other behavior. Gender is a function of genetics. How we express our gender through behavior and dress is a function of culture. I believe SEX (male or female) is a function of genetics. A male is a male regardless as to what culture he is born into. As long as that penis and those testicles are there he will grow up and his body will function as most males do. But GENDER (societal role).....while largely based on one's sex is also in part based on environmental/social expectations. Like you said, men are expected to wear pants in this culture while they are expected to wear a skirt in another. Another example is how urban AfroAmerican men in the United States typically value looking good, smelling good, and dressing good. Where as many poor Caucasian men in the United States value being doing things that are rugged and dangerous like dirt-bike racing, mountain climbing, and cat-fishing. Different men from different culture value different things. Both groups think the other is silly and can't understand it.

Troy According to Daniel, he wears a mask because he HAS to, lol. When it comes to Caucasian Republican/Conservatives I almost KNOW they are racist. Very little doubt in my mind, or else they wouldn't have chosen such a right-wing party. They can SAY they are for family values, educational choice, abortion, low taxes, ect....but racism and racist policies is the REAL reason and the MAIN reason they chose that affiliation. To believe otherwise is simply being gullible. But I CERTAINLY don't make that same assumption about AfroAmerican Republican/Conservative. I don't judge them with the same measurement I do their Caucasian counterparts....simply because I know they don't KNOW any better. I listen to them....hear them out....and then make a determination. When a Black woman sits next to me in a meeting with some pearls around her neck looking sheepish in the face and calling herself a "conservative"....I smile at the girl. Feel sorry for her...she probably doesn't know any better. So I listen to her reasons first before making judgements about her. Like Neely Fuller Jr. said, our people are CONFUSED. They are MIXED UP in the head. Many want to do what they THINK is the right thing, so when they've been so disappointed by the hypocrisy of the Democrat slave-master...because of their limited knowledge.....they don't know anywhere else to turn BUT to the Republican slave master.

Troy Neither As I said before I believe a Civil War is underway right now and it will only intensify. However in the event that the system does NOT collapse and remains in place well into next year I hope Trump stays in office and continues to do to the United States what he is currently doing. (which is why I was glad he was elected) Don't get me wrong, Biden/Harris would indeed reverse some of the damage Agent Orange has done restore stability to the United States ....just like Obama cleaned up the mess G.W. Bush made; but they are only prolonging the inevitable. With 45 in power, things will wrap up VERY quickly! Putting Biden/Harris in office is like giving chemo-therapy to a person with stage 4.....prolonging their life (of suffering).

Troy I'm sure women find husbands at work but i doubt many choice someone who sexually harrassed them. If I recall properly President Obama met Michelle at work and asked her out 3 or 4 times before she accepted. (more times than I would.....lol). Some would consider THAT harassment. But they ended up married as a result. Now, I didn't say sexual HARASSEMENT was ok. It's not. But as you pointed out there is a difference between harassment and flirting. There are other factors and some legal lingo involved, but basically it's harassment when it's UNWANTED. Again, your position and the position of many ASSUMES that women don't like ANY sexual attention at work and that ALL of it is inappropriate and unacceptable. This assumption seems to de-humanize women in a way as if they are robots without mutual sexualized feelings.

AJ I could care less about "Jim Crow Joe & #45 Agent of Chaos Orange", but there is always Jo Jorgensen... Alright, we're on our way. Now if you'll just go one step further and stop caring about the Caucasian alternatives like Jo Jorgesen and others -we'll be almost there.....lol. The fact is NO Caucasian should be trusted to have our (presuming you're AfroAmerican) best interests in mind no matter what "party" they are affiliated with or call themselves. What am I saying? Just like the Caucasian power structure is the problem in ECONOMICS; and whether you're for Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, ect....as long as it's being led by a Caucasians it will not free you. The Caucasian power structure is the problem in POLITICS also! It doesn't matter if they CALL themselves Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Democratic-Socialist, Grave-Digger, ect..... "Justice is coming....just hang in there buddy!" As long as a guy (or gal) who looks like THIS is at the head of it and is calling the shots and charming people with his sparkling blue eyes, expect for there to be more disappointment, more unfairness, and more mistreatment both inside the organization as well as in it's policies.

Delano Pioneer so you would be okay with gay men coming on you at work? Good question. No, because I'm not homosexual. And if you are not homosexual, being hit on by a member of the same sex is not the same as being hit on by an unattractive member of the opposite sex. Both may be unwanted, but one is generally regarded as more vile and intolerable than the other.

Daniel (?) And Blacks will suffer if they don’t keep pace Keeping pace you say? Much of the suffering so many AfroAmericans endure comes DIRECTLY as a result of: 1. Listening to the advice and teachings of Caucasians. They often purposely give our people the WRONG advice knowing it will harm them; or they may mean well but what works for them often times DO NOT work for us. 2. Trying to "keep pace" with Caucasians and their perverse ways of living, instead of SETTING the pace ourselves. Our natures are different from theirs and trying to "keep up" with them often causes unnecessary stress to individual Black folks as well as unnecessary conflicts among eachother as one negro starts blaming the other over for holding the race back by not being able to "keeping pace" with the White folks. We should set OUR OWN pace. I am not giving up on America. You may not have much of a choice. Did you hear the news that yet ANOTHER U.S. Senator has just tested positive for Covid 19? Btw, is your name "Daniel" or "Danielle"? Troy Daniel said: "if this was an Ebola outbreak I would take this seriously" Lol.... If there is any doubt, his statement above should tell you EXACTLY how he feels about this global pandemic. And it's how MOST Republicans and Conservatives feel about it. Posters, like you, are important for any discussion forum (thank you), but lurkers are important too because they provide the traffic required to sustain the website. Besides Caucasians who monitor this site for various reasons, a lot of these lurkers are other AfroAmericans who come here to read my posts and many of them use my material. There are several prominent bloggers who I listen to that I've heard say things that as far as I can tell ONLY I have said or wrote on the internet. I'll post them here or on another site and a few days or weeks later they're saying the same thing. This has happened far too many times for it to be just conincidence.

Del Follow the instructions given in the previous post...and you'll have your answer.