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@ProfD ah ok, I asked what the donkeys need to do and you said the donkeys need to field a better candidate, and so i asked you how they can/should do this, then you stated obama as an example but then you clearly state obama isn't a better candidate. How can the donkeys field a better candidate?

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@ProfD I must first say what i am about to say isn't trying to regale you or refute, merely to state what i experienced on the ground wasn't as you say. I tend to speak of history alot but I actually was alive + adult for Obama's time, I recall how harlem felt, a harlem that was still majority black with no question, with all sorts of black people in it, from christian to communist to wealthy to poor to laborers. And throughout the entire black populace of harlem , i never heard one black person , even with an obama shirt on, suggest he was a great leader, or his speeches gave a thunderblt to the soul . What i heard from black people on the ground is this is the chance to bring a black person into the white house, a black person white people seem to trust. And at the end of the day, it will not mean a damn thing for the black populace. I really think black people loved the idea of a black person in the white house, regardless of his quality. And the financial and cultural situation after bush jr didn't hurt obama, all that helped. BUT, as i said then, i felt obama needed to be a better policy maker than he turned out to be. And to that Kamala+ Obama are both poor policy makers. Obama himself admitted on a pbs program that he was wrong for too big too fail, and in another pbs show it was admitted that he didn't support the affordable care act but only signed it because of his promise to sign whatever the donkey led congress put forth. My point is, Obama as a president/senator for illinois or in the illinois senate was a poor policy maker. The truth is obama's first campaign he lost, trying to court the black populace. So he has never successfully been able to court the black populace, he has only been able to court a phenotypically mixed populace. And kamala is no different, as the attorney general of california or the vice president she was poor at policy. California is the wealthiest state in the union and has the most people as attorney general she could had did so much in california and did nothing but obama did nothing in illinois either so... AND your correct, white statians are not willing to accept a woman as president , based on their voting patterns. @umbrarchist did you receive one of those text? i haven't. I will love ot know demographic statistics on the black people who received said texts.

@umbrarchist My suggestion is stop talking to people who resist or oppose you. On that website, some people must like what you are saying or at least are willing to listen. Focus on them and tell them your financial plan. If you don't have a financial plan, get one. Booker t washington made tuskegee by focusing his efforts. Yes, he spoke to al black people about nonviolent financial aspirations. But most of his efforts were focused. So, the usa has over thirty million black people, one percent is three hundred thousand. Getting three hundred thousand black people to be financially coordinated is way more than the populace of tulsa. You can do it. Stop wasting your energy talking to black people who are not willing to focus on financial betterment. But give those who are willing a plan , a goal that is functional. and yes, her hair being red is... very modern commercial @ProfD You said the party of andrew jackson need to field better candidates. Ok, how will that work? how will they do it? how should they do it? @Chevdove I am a black man. I don't feel lessened if a black woman leads and i choose to follow her. The specificity of the black person leading isn't the issue, female/male/old/young/chrsitian/atheist//latino/anglo their quality in leading is. Kamala like Obama are not good at leading. The black populace in the usa from the time of the thirteen colonies has never been philosophically one. Remember, black people fougt on the side f the british against the creation of the usa, most free blacks actually, while a minority of free blacks fought on the side of the usa, even absent a guarantee of freddom if the usa wins. So, embrace that the black populace of the usa has always had tribes and focus on which tribe you belong to . Only you can know that. if you do or once you find out, join them and do things. Human unity isn't an illusion it has always occurred in human history. The problem is human unity isn't default or automatic. This is why you need to know what your tribe is in the village? yes your black, but what group are you apart of in the black populace in the usa? are you financially wealthy? financially wealthy blacks exist. Are you a communist? black community exist. Are you a fiscal capitalist, like Umbrarchist?If you ar ejoin her and start a financial plan that other black people can join for a specific agenda. Are you a member of the party of lincoln? are you a member of the party of andrew jackson? The affordable care act was nancy pelosi's , Obama had promised if the democrats in the congress get a bill to him he would sign it, but Obama was opposed to the bill for the reasons that time proved correct. But he didn't want to back out on his promise. He mistake was signing the law, but it wasn't his. It was nancy pelosi. Thank you, I an an engineer at heart and engineering is all about fixing problems, not complaining about faults. A machine doesn't work . Ok, complaining about it doesn't fix it, fixing it, changing it, to get it to work is how it changes. So many black people offline or online I know of,from various ways:) . I always say the same thing, what you need to do for where you are headed. I may not be headed the same way but I can help you see the way your headed.

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@ProfD interesting, you say the party of abraham lincolm will support some white nationalist agenda and enrich the financially wealthy, i assume whomever they are, including the non white ? but a lot has to be done... based on your prediction, the party of andrew jackson will win the next election in four years by inactivity of ths second schrumpf term, cause in all earnest alot has to be done, internationally alone is very busy , it isn't just, sit and wait. As for the party of andrew jackson, well, they can't be even more big tent than they are, but i still hold a position that the big tent is the problem. The centrist in said party can't find legislation that truly helps , and in all earnest, the reason they can't is the simple truth, you can't help all. the myth is , some set of laws can help the 1% and the bottom of the 99%, the woman looking for work while pregnant and the man who wants to not pay for children he had with a stranger, it is too much. No matter the policy, someone has to lose, that is the history of law, no law in human history helps everybody. And as long as the donkeys want to be the party of all they will never find a strong candidate. In parallel, the key to schrumpf is that he knows he has detractors, for many reasons, but he comprehends that if you focus on a base and accept the others as outsiders then you can be more effective in your messaging. But, trying to get the vote of the neo nazis and the black panthers and the mit grad and the women on welfare, and the women born into wealth and the rich old white men and the black men in prison and the immigrants and the children of immigrants against immigration and the religious conservatives, and the athetist and the people who despise those who have broken crimes and the prople who want some crimes to become legal and ... is just too much. No , not impossible, but the leader that can do that is once every thousand years. The luck will have to be very high for such a person to come through. A black guy in the following video made an interesting point https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2780&type=status @umbrarchist Two things, 1) she says she is tired of telling people things, so will she end her youtube video blog? She seems to have announced some sort of statian ragnarok 2) so the one thing she doesn't do is speak about the future positively. Based on her words, nothing new or untried can be done that may lead to anything. In conclusion The usa will not regret it, but the usa will change. as all governments do, i think people in the usa forget the usa is very different from the one started by nejamin franklin and co.

well for two years, the party of abraham lincoln will have all three branches of the federal government, what will they do? as for the party of andrew jackson , what will they do now that the usa populace is clearly of two parts. @ProfD yes, the usa military industrial complex. armed forces/three letter peoples, is powerful or influential and guides all groups in the usa a certain way. But it is clear the usa is in two parts.

Circa 1865 white men allowed black men to have the vote, and white women campaigned very hard against that and it was undone, while black women supported black men's right to vote. The fissure in the female populace in the usa has existed ever since and every female candidate for president, from Shirley Chisholm through Hillary Clinton to Kamala Harris has experienced the fracture in the female vote. Women may need their own party of governance to become president. Barrack Obama was the first Black President and the last Presidential nominee who could use the ceiling breaking energy to win the white house. Ever since him, every ceiling breaking presidential nominee has lost, which means the people who were willing to vote to show the USA can vote for a president not a white male, want more quality and in absent of that quality will vote for a white male as a status quo. The black populace in the usa needs pro black policy to be invigorated and I don't see that coming from the donkeys or the elephants. The big tent strategy of the donkeys, the democratic party of the usa has one great weakness, you can't say you support everyone and then make policy to help everyone cause it isn't realistic. If you support the real estate industry you can't support the homeless equally. if you support law enforcement then you can't support the imprisoned equally. And when people realize that you are promising everybody, they realize you will do for none and this is clearly evident in the results in the senate or house. You want to be tough on immigration while you also want to help all the immigrants, which is it? And no, you can't do both. You can't help the israelis plus the palestinians. It may be sad to say, but to truly help one means the detriment of the other. The USA is a collection of 50 states, not one state, and the makeup of california or ny is extremely different than the makeup of mississippi or arkansas. The presidential election system is designed to let the variances of the fifty states hold value. And while the two donkey coast are equal rights/ multi phenotypical/seemingly want to maintain most of the global order of the 1900s with the usa western european alliance... the donkey middle wants inequalities, not slavery, but inequalities/wants a stop to the growth of mixed towns or cities/ want changes in the global order with a more isolationist usa partnered with fewer countries , some satraps like israel which is beholden to the usa but also some old enemies like russia and a disengagement to china. The usa isn't one, everyone knows it, but those in the red areas exhibit this truth while those in the blue areas try to deny it. Moreover, every single demographic in the usa has more internal multivision that advertised. Not all Blacks are about a black agenda. Not all whites are about a White agenda. Not all immigrants are about an immigrant agenda. The problem is the individuality in the usa has created populaces of people that may be linked on phenotype or religion or gender or language or philosophy but they are all, even the white jews, are loose in their association to each other. People don't admit how many jews in nyc marched for palestineans against israel, that isn't all jews as one block but fissures, like all populaces in the usa. The old war hawks and fiscal conservatives of the statian elephants plus the socialistic independent liberals of the statian donkeys both lost, neither is in control of their party as they want but neither can exist attached to one of the two parties. Social media has a lot of value, when you talk of someone in media all the time you are giivng free press and that free press transcends their message. The donkeys made Schrumpf a constant media point and in doing so kept him alive when they could had did as was to nixon and let him off into a sunset, but by wanting to make an example of him as the anti rainbow integrationists, they made it where he was able to succeed over rivals in the statian elephants and over the dysfunctional strategies of the statian donkeys. Running mates matter and the statian donkeys have chosen three lame vice presidents, obama chose biden over clinton, biden chose kamala over stacy abrams or clinton and Kamala chose walz over stacey abrams or clinton....choosing a rival as a running mate can show the strength of one's character. Choosing lackeys or impotents can be problematic. Some winners or losers Hillary Clinton is a winner, she is no longer the last female candidate to lose a presidential bid. Men who are thinking of killing themselves, are winners, if Schrumpf can have immigrant women with red hair or red lips, roger clark with ny1 can verify, call him a real man. So, any man can achieve with women, give it time, if a man who wears a cap, says disrespectful things to all can get women to shake their breast for him well... Enemies of Schrumpf in New York city, in all levels, which thus includes me, are losers, he has won again, I never liked him as a real estate man, long before he got into reality tv or governance. Melania Trump is a loser she has to go back to the white house and the media zoo/fiasco she can't stand All the people who were certain the youth of the usa were on one page, toward a culture of multiphenotypical equality through individual acceptance or opportunity, are losers. The youth in the usa clearly are in camps. I have spoken on a Black Party of governance https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2776&type=status

I admit, I am not a fan of slasher films; their stories extremely rarely , I will not say never, hold up for me; and their stories are not meant to. The goal of a slasher film is to get the audience to jump scare as much as possible, and that is fine. Ma from 2019 is a slasher film. It is meant to get you to jump scare. But the best part of the movie is the tiniest bit, and I have thought about it coinciding with my thoughts on fantasy films en large and how they rarely involve the historic usa. The best comparison to visualize my point is taking the flashback scenes in MA 2019 and the character of Rose Rita, played by vanessa anne williams, in A House With a Clock in its walls 2018. In the original book, Rose Rita is white and to be blunt, a tomboy of the purest type, think red haired peppermint patty with sneakers and no sandals. In the film Rose Rita is a colored child of the 1950s USA, one of few non white children, no not the only one, and dresses in the most cutest pink outfits of all the girls in the school. What is my point? I am a fan of the book or the film House with a clock in its walls. But the film has a fantasy 1950s usa. In Ma 2019, the flashbacks of the title character are honest. She is the only black child in the school in the 1960s, and she is having a lonely miserable time. Which is historically accurate. Many people of all phenotypes love to parade the moment the black kids went into the all white schools but few admit that this was a horror for most of the kids. I recall one of them, who is on the schoolboard in new orleans, she voted against integrated schools as an adult, and she is in photo being one of the kids used to force integration in the schools of the same area in the past. So, I like how MA 2019 through the flashbacks shows three layers of negative mental energy. The first layer is historical, pure truth, integration don't work on the ground. It works in laws and works in historical revisions but in historical honesty it is usually a nightmare for the minority individuals involved in it. Now the flashbacks do good to add two more layers. The second is mandatory for the slasher. Ma when a child is the shortest female, the roundest female, the female with the thickest glasses. So, she the only black student in the school and she has all the aspects of the mythological wall flower girl. The third layer completes the psychosis, the lead jock boy in the school has noticed her quiet noticing of him and sets her up for a humiliation, yes Carrie. In Ma's case he invites her to a few hangouts, she even says she goes to parties a lot which shows she is very proud. And after some comfortability invites her to meet him in a closet. A white girl in the school gives her advice on giving blowjobs and Young MA enters the dark closet. She performs fellatio to the boy in the closet she think the head jock, saying some mentally disturbing things like will you talk to me after this, and after she is finished, she exist sthe closet and the jock boy has all the students of the school present to humiliate young MA, asking the boy she didn't know, who is the white male nerd character, how was it? and the nerd boy says, it was great. and young Ma runs off and her mental state is now complete from the films telling. Though I say they missed a trick not showing her come home and be asked by her parents , how was school and telling her to toughen up for this great opportunity, which to me makes the mental breakdown complete, but to each writer their own. In house with a clock on its walls 2018 you wouldn't realize 1950s usa the way it was. In MA 2019 you realize 1960s usa. And I love that, I am tired of producers or writers themselves demanding stories that fit the way they want the populace in the usa to work, instead of how it is, and it was never and is not united. I know the flashback is seven minutes maximum but that is the best part of the movie for me. Why? It takes an honest USA scenario, the most common scenario in the usa historically with integration. That of the black alone amongst many whites , totally isolated, totally frustrated, and trying to find something positive. It adds the common slasher film device of male or female child outcast through her physicality, and the moment of great humiliation which is the cause of all the slashing of course. It doesn't deny the drama while it is true to the history + reality of modern usa. The usa isn't the government or populace under a government people want it to be, the usa is the government or populace under a government that it is. And that should be embraced. Yes in the film, times have changed, group up Ma deals with a set of kids who are in a far more integrated school and who don't seem to have any inclinations for such humiliations. But, the damage is true and can not be fled from, has to be lived through. As for the slashing well, I argue, the scenes of group up Ma enslaving her daughter to a life, the same way ma was enslaved, or the eroticisms of Ma to the jock boy when a man or his son are themselves stunning alongside the slasher violence. But the slashing is nothing beyond what hasn't been shown overall in the slasher film library. But the origin, yes the flashbacks, that is great cinema. I share this video cause it only displays the flashback, what say you? One last thing, like Ready Player One, while young Ma, played by Kyanna Simone Simpson is the shortest or roundest, with thickest glasses in the school, she is still very pretty. Hollywood doesn't still know how to get a female thespian who has a physicality that will make her chosen last usually. To be blunt, yung MA looks like a black daphne from scooby doo which, if you see how many women or girls dress as daphne today well... not exaclty, the most undesired physique. 0:07 your head back to the rock piles tonight 0:09 from when we come 0:11 history a few beers whatever yeah see 0:17 all night 0:21 we'll be fine 0:29 [Applause] 0:30 [Music] 0:45 sorry drinking without help or didn't 0:49 show without oh yeah are you sitting 0:58 down weren't you up dance with every I 1:01 guess I was thinking of you 1:03 uh you're not got a lot of parties oh no 1:09 oh no it's no it's it's fine there's a 1:12 first time for everything 1:13 absolutely I like you're here thanks I 1:21 like yours 1:24 [Music] 1:46 it's your first time isn't it 1:49 do you know you're doing ya gonna get on 1:54 your knees put it in your mouth 2:00 move your head backwards forwards 2:05 believe me and we'll take them hot 2:10 thanks Mercedes 2:15 [Music] 2:22 [Music] 2:33 hello let's I good yeah 3:03 then are you 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nikkei i'm not 3:33 messing with you um they do have cranberry as well as blueberries so cranberry is kind of you know moving 3:39 into the whole you know thanksgiving you know christmas season type of thing blueberry you know 3:46 of course is evergreen so definitely check them out also i do have some tea recommendations 3:52 now some of you all may not live near a harris teeter or the way we do here in the south if you really love something 3:58 you put a s on the end of it targets walmarts 4:04 that means you love it i mean if you don't put an extra s on the end it's just whatever 4:09 right harris teeter or like i like to say has teeters 4:14 has cinnamon spice and then we'll move around my camera yeah cinnamon spice tea 4:21 i'm a too bad person because i'm greedy that i like myself be strong but 4:26 i add once again pumpkin spice 4:31 silk almond creamer so we have a few sponsors tonight we have 4:37 no fresh market please don't get mad at me about shot no harris teeter but they had some tea i like and i may feature 4:43 one teas um that's only so with you all silk almond creamer can be can be sold anywhere and you know 4:50 cinnamon sticks we all know come from the international market because you buy it at a regular version i'm so sorry you 4:55 know you've done yourself a disservice yeah so go to the international market to get that and that's what i'm sipping 5:01 on so what do you have for a snack because you can't talk about movies you can't watch a movie or netflix and chill 5:07 without appropriate snackage so what type of snackage do you have going on over there today so nikkei can't eat 5:15 popcorn because you know i gotta be different i gotta be different you know the kernels get stuck all in my and it's 5:22 painful and i'm bougie anyway so 5:28 y'all i have my pop corners and i don't like the only other extra 5:34 flavor i like besides sea salt is the caramel cover 5:40 once you get into barbecue and that fake um butter not the butter what's the 5:47 other one anyway all the other flavors i just i can't i can't oh you mean the um 5:52 the white cheddar white cheddar isn't good on everything it's not it's not good on every 5:58 no no it's not good at all well i guess both of us are bougie you have those 6:04 i guess both of us are [ __ ] because who eats scones to watch a movie 6:09 you know you know you have to drink my tea with my pinky up is gonna give me an extra bouncer 6:16 listen the other day i went out not ordered oolong tea and that the guy seemed really impressed by it he was 6:22 like i was like would you stop looking at me and bring it 6:27 what's the problem here doesn't everyone order that no 6:33 i don't know what's wrong with the rest of them but they should i don't either we need to bring them up to our standard 6:39 i know i know and maybe it's because i said it right too i don't know but anyway 6:45 today we are talking about 6:52 ma 2019 6:59 leading actress octavia spencer 7:05 and this is a big deal this is a big deal it's a very big deal 7:11 you have um a black leading lady in a horror film 7:18 yes yes yes and she she did the thing she did the 7:24 thing what were your thoughts on this one 7:30 you know it takes a special kind of 7:35 person to go from the help to this 7:42 if you really want to prove that you are a true actress you have to transform yourself 7:48 into something that's unrecognizable now when you look at her physically you know she's lost some weight for you 7:55 know since she did the help and that type of stuff hairstyle change you know wardrobe changing all the stuff that movies do 8:02 but it's that persona that comes out that makes you different the way 8:07 your you know your glare is and your tone and you know the inflection in your voice and your mannerisms 8:15 she did it and i was trying to think of the last time 8:20 that i can remember because i didn't do my research you know i'm here to let you all know that i'm the fluff person on 8:26 the show nick they can't die and do the research so 8:31 i'm like oh my the little sister just shows up and just i'm just like [Laughter] 8:41 so if you watch enough of these you're like well you know what and we really want some deep insight it's don mckay 8:47 and we just want i'm stealing some goofy and i'm out the box like what was that 8:54 nicole is there for that but i was trying to remember and and you probably did your research better than i 8:59 did because y'all know i didn't i didn't do a whole lot of deep diving on this one i did watch it three times 9:06 but dive up because my first of all the fact you watch it three times my head is off 9:12 to you because you know that means i have to leave my house three times because what i'm not going to do 9:17 is watch it in my home and that's for us to have a discussion about that 9:23 on our you know on our media platform that we have you know where we kind of get you know 9:28 this wasn't but 9:35 it wasn't it wasn't well it doesn't give you the phones like it doesn't give you creeps that someone's going to come in your house 9:41 and stab you in your sleep but it really it really makes you think 9:46 about how relationships with people and 9:51 you know and how folks if they if they are psychotic once they 9:58 once they realize they want you dead they just want you dead it's just that's it by my point blank and i don't 10:06 know what is worse to be hunted like that or just be shot randomly because you think 10:12 like that some thought went in to what she did but getting back to the research 10:18 i think the last time uh not the not indeed the last time but 10:24 this kind of took me back to beloved but love it was like that for me you know when it came to how oprah was 10:32 totally different and below if if anybody's seen beloved nothing oprah has ever done did she ever 10:38 look like her even when she did sofia in the color purple so 10:44 even you know and how that even if that movie evolved how just dark and sinister it was you're just like wow when is that 10:51 going to let up that's what i'm looking for when is the sinister part it's like can we get some rainbows some pixie 10:57 blasts it i'm glad you mentioned beloved because 11:03 we got to add that one to our list too because every time i see oprah in something 11:10 i'm like you can act oh my gosh she can act even though i've seen her act before 11:16 i'm still like she can act every year because she because you're she she's 11:22 like a triple threat you know when it comes to what it is that she does and 11:28 that it's the sinister part for me when it came to mom it was like what did you think about it 11:35 um again seeing her come off of roles where she was either the maid or she was doing 11:41 something where she's being sassy or funny or whatever this was a shift 11:48 and it's like you said it's not just that she was 11:54 just being creepy is that she was being calm creepy 12:03 it was that oh hey you want to come to my house and then all of a sudden there was a 12:09 temper and it was like i'm ramping up oh let me pull it back 12:14 i'ma deal with you differently and it was like oh snap 12:21 and there was her just to give you the setting the 12:26 i know the movie was filmed in mississippi and i forget the town that 12:32 it was in i don't think this setting was actually in mississippi 12:37 i forget that the the community that it was in i think they it made this more west 12:43 coast yeah my memory serves right i think this was like nevada or something like that 12:51 where it was supposed to take place but anyway the the town wasn't 12:56 a character as much as [Music] 13:02 the community if that makes sense it was supposed to be a small quaint um not so diverse community 13:10 yeah any town usa you know kind of what kind of what they portray and i hate to not make the 13:16 comparison i'm going to how did it portray um the movies um on 13:23 hallmark to be that you know it's it's it's it's not the script you 13:29 know you know you know it's not like when you look at a skyline oh that's chicago oh right or you know you look at 13:35 the golden gate bridge and say oh that's california it's one of those things where this could happen in any small 13:40 town in any state you know and like i said the main feature is it 13:46 was not a diverse community literally it was octavius spencer and the black 13:53 kid were really the only and 13:59 another black person they were the only black people there 14:04 okay when i say not diverse i mean not diverse okay to set this up right for you 14:13 and so um that that kind of works this way into 14:18 the story even though it's not the major part of the story but 14:23 it gives you the picture of part of the reason why in her youth 14:29 she was the outcast yeah okay um 14:35 and they do little flashbacks between her teen years and then into her adult years 14:42 and they give you the sense that you know times have changed and people are more accepting in 14:48 this you know fast forward 2019 present day 14:54 world but you know but you don't forget right because trauma 15:00 ptsd and ill treatment and and how that that that pressure 15:07 cooker of all that going on right but you know you can't you know you you really you really can't 15:14 mess with certain people because you don't know how it's going to manifest and 15:19 i think that's what you know if i could just fast forward to say to take away from this is is that be 15:26 careful how you treat you be very careful okay you know you think that you treat people 15:32 any kind of way say whatever you want to say do whatever you want to do and then you don't realize 15:37 that karma can be visited upon you in a variety of ways right and it could even 15:44 be visited upon you by the same people that you just you just don't know right you think a person is weak and 15:51 then you then you mess around and find out that they're crazy 15:57 and you know crazy out trumps well what psych is going on yes psychotic out 16:04 trumps whatever level of mean girl you ever thought you had because this person 16:09 is going to kill you bottom line and your whole family and not think about the consequences and 16:15 they're willing to die on that hill so i want to be taken out by the police i want to slip my own rest i want to go to 16:21 jail and sit there for 25 to life i'm going to you know ride the lightning that's what they call the electric chair 16:28 i want to take that needle because at the end of the day i got out of it what i want to get out of it which was 16:34 getting you back and and and can we can we just mention that she worked for 16:41 a vet so she had access to a whole lot of stuff 16:47 and wasn't afraid to use it 16:52 would you know that's interesting so can we say that she treat these people 16:58 like animals ultimately yes 17:10 so and here here's the thing what i notice is in most of the movie rating places 17:17 the movie got low ratings and i think the reason why i got low ratings it was like 5 out of 10 17:23 stars in some places it was two stars and honestly 17:29 it's not a bad movie but it's not a horror movie 17:34 you know like we're talking about it on the psychological and it's more of a psychological thriller 17:41 yeah and i think one of the things that happens is as soon as you put 17:48 a black actor in a prominent role all of a sudden the industry doesn't know what to do 17:54 with the movie because they're more worried about okay is a mainstream audience gonna show up 18:00 to see this because are they gonna go are they gonna go see a black actor this is not typically how we would cast this 18:08 and i think that's that that might be some of what happened with this movie 18:15 i think they they took the risk and labeled it as a horror where it would have been just fine if they simply 18:22 simply labeled it as a psychological ecological builder 18:27 but you know what i i think that when you look at the genre as a whole 18:35 whether it was a black actress or not and i do agree with you what you're saying when it comes specifically to mom 18:41 have you ever noticed that they really do have a difficult time labeling things 18:47 like that you know other movies as well you know they'll call it a horror film but really 18:52 it leans more on the psychological part because i think that people are more comfortable 18:57 with being afraid in the general sense of like i said 19:03 someone coming to coming to my house and killing me in my sleep 19:08 we're trying to you know run me down in the woods and i fall you know 19:15 i put that in hollywood are you watching so um 19:23 i think that they're more comfort people on the surface are more comfortable with that than 19:29 than really getting in the head of somebody that's a lunatic i think that when i think that when you 19:35 look at some of these movies they throw them in the horror genre because they're like you know what you'll sell the tickets people will be 19:41 more comfortable with it because a lot of people don't look at the you know all the information when they see a movie they look at the trailers it 19:48 is the commercials they see on television they look at those little snippets and they run based off that and what they put on television 19:55 is the highlights and that may be the those pieces may be the scariest parts of the movie like the shopkins 20:03 but really the movie is a little bit on a slow uptick because it's building on 20:08 the suspense right right so i think you're right 20:13 that they didn't know how to label it but i also think that for marketing purposes they mislabel a lot of stuff 20:20 period a lot of stuff to me that's kind that's come out within the last five years have 20:26 has leaned more on the psychological thriller end than horror to me like pure 20:31 porn so yeah because i was really frustrated when the way they labeled um 20:39 oh what was it the way they labeled us yeah no not us um 20:47 get out because they labeled that 20:53 i think horror and comedy and i was like why would you label it 20:58 horror and comedy and once they did it i figured out why 21:06 it's kind of the same reason um the way peop independent authors used 21:11 to um categorize their books on am*zon and so 21:16 am*zon tightened up their their stuff yeah yeah you you would find remember obscore 21:23 obscure categories you could put it in to make sure you got something got one 21:28 yeah really the best seller list you know so i was just like uh 21:34 i was like but that's not comedy that this ain't funny the black folks this is 21:39 what scares black folk i'm like i don't know who's laughing it's not black people i mean there's 21:46 been funny parts but no and that's what it was it was the funny the funny parts were with the best 21:52 friend period everything else was creepy scary 21:58 i still can't get out my hand we want to get back to this movie when dude ran up on him at night that 22:04 right there took me clean out the fact i'm still sitting before you is a miracle because i tell you 22:13 it's something about being impatient and if you've ever visited the country or grew up in the country 22:20 to be in an area that's pitch black dark and has something just emerged from the darkness coming dead at you 22:27 and then deviate real quick and yo that right there i'm like okay i'm done you're swinging before it gets to you 22:34 you okay i wasn't ready i'm just telling you i 22:41 wasn't ready so yeah they they did it because they were trying to get us out thinking 22:47 black people not gonna come and see a hurricane even if there's black people in it and if they believe it's gonna be a kiki 22:54 haha and you know and the peels are known for comedy they roll into this stuff 22:59 right you know after the fact so i think they try to like you know like um hits the wagon onto them for that 23:07 but we were writing and we supported and we came out and we watched it so you're right um so when you when you look at 23:14 this when you look at this film you know what are some major 23:20 just takeaways or points that you got out of it outside what you just what you 23:25 just you know recently mentioned you know one of the things that i notice 23:31 is daryl the only other black well the one of 23:38 three black characters in in the movie he was the only one that was like yo 23:45 some don't feel right i don't think we should do this 23:51 and when they got in the house he was like yo ma what's your name 23:57 he was like yo i need some names i need ids let me 24:02 put this address in my gps because if i die if if i get unalived 24:11 i want my mommy and daddy to know where i'm at give me a proper burial because because 24:18 at the end of the day that that i think that's the thing that freaks us out more than anything 24:23 because you know as a brown people in general brown and yellow people we are really 24:29 funny intact we're really funny about that well who's got the body well you know you know they 24:36 are they looking good they look like themselves we were really that's a major pain all of the organs there 24:44 that's a major make sure that they didn't stuff the body with cotton or newspaper or 24:50 anything like that make sure the organs weren't harvested 24:56 we checked for everything because when i look at when i look at big mama guess what i better see her in that box i 25:03 promise you oh i'm flip i'm flipping over everything so that's how we are we need to know but 25:09 then again we also raised and asked questions like that we just don't be going with anybody you know because we 25:16 want to be able to be held accountable or where were you well who are you with how long were you there what did y'all do who else was there let me call her 25:22 mama let me call her daddy what her grandma say why would because you know you're going to get that when what they look like what were 25:29 they wearing okay the whole night are you not paying attention the whole 25:34 night i really knew better than that you can't hang out with me 25:40 are you focusing are these your real friends i ain't never met them who you know who's that you know so yeah yeah 25:47 yeah so he asked all the right questions while everybody else in the group was like 25:52 oh my god it's okay let's just go along with this she's cool you know and he was like 25:58 all right i'm hanging out with y'all because you might ride but i don't feel right about this 26:04 you know so there are little details and i don't know if he like 26:09 improv that i'm guessing he might have but it's like that detail 26:16 all right he's like he's right but it's like 26:22 you know along the lines of of of what you were saying it's like there are levels to this thing and 26:31 you know you can push a person but so far so far you know and and you 26:39 don't know what things a person will hold on to this was 25 26:46 30 years later this woman stayed in that community 26:52 she stayed in that community and still 26:58 was unseen she still was 27:03 under the people knew she was there on the radar but you you think about when she had went 27:10 out for drinks the way she was treated when the guy said hey 27:17 why don't we go out for drinks and then how she was handled 27:23 when she sat down to have drinks with him just how insincere he was in that moment 27:31 it brought everything back for her because it was like you asked me out for drinks 27:39 and then you pull the rug from me again it was high school all over for her 27:45 again and even though she didn't show it in the moment when he 27:51 walked away it was like at that moment she was like all right 27:57 i got one for your ass back to what you said it's like 28:04 you cannot mess with people and always think that 28:09 you got the upper hand on them 28:14 because people will start showing you their true colors and you may not like 28:21 it some people are good for a conversation some people will say all right you got me on that one 28:28 you don't ever have to worry about me again and 28:33 some people will hook you up to an iv that you may not want to be hooked up to 28:44 so yeah you you you got to be very careful it pays to be kind 28:50 is is the ultimate lesson it does and please leave it alone it 28:55 pays to leave people on if if you're not going to be sincere about your deals with them right 29:02 that that's what pays to you know because because you know for you to go through the trouble of mistreating 29:08 someone that's that that's the active role you're taking versus just letting them be 29:13 right it's better to ignore their existence than to attending them in such a way 29:19 and not know how those repercussions gonna fall because at the end of the day she brought the burden on there on the 29:26 seed of these people they're kids you know she ain't come directly for them she 29:33 she she didn't go she she she moved from the bottom to the top you know she was like oh you're gonna hurt your weight i'm 29:38 gonna get you where it hurts and let's real quick talk about even 29:44 generationally what she she did she was like i don't want my daughter 29:50 exposed to it and the levels the extreme that she 29:56 went to to keep her daughter away from it 30:03 you know almost killed her daughter so it's like 30:11 yeah yeah so yeah go ahead 30:18 it and her daughter saw through it but felt powerless to do anything and it 30:23 kind of makes you think all right is her daughter gonna be a repeat 30:31 of her mom girl apple tree let me tell you something still water's running deep and all it is 30:39 and the thing about psychosis is that all it really takes if you are 30:45 genetically predisposed all these all it takes is a series of 30:50 circumstances or one major event to flip that switch yeah 30:56 you know and and that's it people people are gone i i've known a situation 31:03 that that's happened to people in my life not my family but just in a community and you always hear about one 31:09 person that was normal until yep that's always a story they seemed so 31:14 nice this would never this never happened in our neighborhood we didn't normal 31:20 normal until they had that that one pivotal experience 31:25 that took them down a dark path and they never resurfaced in this way again positively 31:32 yeah yeah so on a scale of one to five 31:40 what do you think i'll give it a four i give it a four um 31:46 it wasn't perfect i i did like i did like the way it 31:53 developed and that it didn't make her just some type of barbarian you know because 31:59 sometimes you know when you have killers i i think what makes us connect with them better is when you really believe 32:07 that there's a thought process no matter how crazy it is behind why they do what they do 32:13 right you know so i i like the fact that there was some type of connection as to why she 32:20 sought these people out versus she just woke up one day and said yeah i just want to kill a whole bunch of kids 32:25 you know what i'm saying what was her why the y was really clear and 32:31 i liked the way they connected the y to the now because sometimes movies kind of leave you flat with that you like you 32:37 know you're struggling trying to pull piece of things together you know but this one didn't do that so 32:43 i would give it a four what would you think i think the same um 32:49 and for the same reasons you you know you found a reason to to sympathize 32:56 with with the main character she wasn't she wasn't being random 33:01 um you understood she was actually sick not just violent for no reason 33:09 even though um ma'am they have this thing called therapy go get you some 33:17 but again what once you look at the whole picture 33:22 the environment the setup and just the constant ding ding ding it was 33:30 toxic it was toxic for her it was undercover toxic for her yeah 33:36 like the water droplet on the forehead just non-stop so 33:42 yeah i would give it a four for the same reason it's not a perfect story but it's it's a good story 33:49 i think um in other arenas it was probably unfit unfairly rated and and 33:55 because it was mislabeled as a horror when it's really a thriller 34:01 yeah and i'm gonna be honest with you i think that the fact that she targeted teenagers and a certain kind of teenager 34:09 people never say it but i think that's why i felt flat too if you were to swap it out and the kind of teenager she was 34:16 targeting and if there wasn't some type of racial under and overtones about what was going 34:23 on i think if all parties were this yeah if all parties were the same would have been 34:29 it's it's it's a it's so right it's a racial because because when you think about it 34:35 it makes people feel uncomfortable that their treatment of another race or another gender or 34:42 another group of people can lead itself to those people attacking their children 34:47 that's something that people don't want to they don't they don't want to fathom so 34:54 you know and then and then it kind of points a mirror in their face like okay 34:59 well who in high school yeah or am i growing up or and in my 35:05 community did i treat poorly because they were poor 35:10 or they weren't the same color or they weren't the same um 35:16 you know that has seen sexual preferences you know whatever it was that made me unkind to them 35:24 could something like this be visited upon me because i was ignorant enough to think that i 35:30 could treat someone like that and us moving on and growing up and going our separate ways 35:36 they grew out of it or grew past it right no that's not who i am 35:43 anymore and people think that that somehow that dissolves them no it doesn't you still did what you said 35:52 exactly correct and apologize exactly but people don't do that they're 35:58 feeling like oh you should have gotten over it by now we were just kids it happened so long ago i really didn't mean i didn't know what i was doing 36:04 they're very flipped with it but then they're surprised when people are not as 36:09 flip or cavalier about the fact that's how they were treated so i think that 36:15 that it kind of fell flat because people weren't really willing to acknowledge the fact that they were probably just 36:21 like those people but for different reasons yeah yeah 36:26 yeah so so that is what we have for tonight 36:32 folks we have one movie left in our horror series i don't know where nicole is 36:39 going to go to watch it because she refuses to watch it at her house 36:45 with you i just watched it four times and i'm gonna watch it the fifth time 36:52 i might even watch it six times because i'm taking notes on it i'm taking notes 37:01 i watched the old [ __ ] did i tell you that you did and let me tell you something 37:07 the old one i was a teenager when owen came out 37:14 man and we grew up in the inner city you 37:19 know so my thing is is that that's a special kind of scary for us because because i think that 37:26 if you grew up in a country i don't know if you view came in the same way as anybody grew up 37:33 or or had relatives that lived in the inner city you're just like yeah you know 37:39 is there anybody scarier than the drug dealer is there anybody scarier 37:46 than the gang members it is i have to go find that short story that 37:53 it's based on because look dude spun a serious tale 38:03 he he he told a serious story that he got people so shook and the 38:09 thing is it's loosely based on a real story 38:16 it's inspired by a real story so now i need to see this thing in 38:21 writing so i can put the whole thing together once you get my cogs turning i can't slow down 38:31 so yeah i'm all in well i thank candyman and we'll talk 38:36 about further i think candyman is 38:41 it it kind of reminds me of grimm's fairy tales and the respect that every culture 38:48 has a boogeyman every culture you cannot name a culture that doesn't have 38:53 that one person that whose name we dare not speak 38:58 that one person that every child was taught about to teach them not to lie 39:04 not to steal not to be mean to honor your parents to honor a god or a greater being 39:10 right because this is what happens when you don't um to come in at night to to 39:16 have certain superstitious ways about you every culture has one but what makes 39:21 this extremely worse for those of us that grew up in a city is like as if we need 39:29 one more thing to be afraid of do we need one more thing 39:34 well but the thing about candyman is because of and you see this 39:42 in the first movie because of the way the apartments were built and that's the thing about horror movies in general 39:51 is that there's usually just all you need is a sliver of reality 39:58 exactly and that was enough reality i told you 40:03 about the the story that happened um i think it was in march of this year 40:09 march 2021 about the woman who in new york who felt a draft in her bathroom 40:16 okay wait let's save it for candy man let's save it 40:22 let's save it all right because at the end of the day it's going to connect with that 40:28 and you know and i i want us to kind of bring it all together so 40:33 all right so y'all can look that up on your own because i gave you the date and i gave 40:39 it just a little bit so you all go look that up on your own so you prepped when we come back 40:44 we we can talk about that but yeah we're doing candyman next 40:50 we'll talk about that then all right so we we're gonna wrap up you ready 40:55 we're gonna wrap up and let these people know where they can find us and find more 41:02 of what it is that we have going on okay so you can find me 41:08 right there right right there right there nikkei rights.wordpress.com and i promise i 41:14 spelt my name right i learned how to spell my name in kindergarten all right mckaywrights.wordpress.com 41:23 uh don is not with us today but hopefully he'll 41:28 be back soon but you can find him right there don miskell.com 41:34 all right he is a great writer hopefully we'll see some of his books in movies soon and 41:40 we'll be able to talk about them well i don't want to see i i i'll go i'll go to 41:45 the red carpet premiere wearing the the baddest gal money can buy or someone can 41:51 learn me he published skitter right 41:56 listen you all gotta read skitter you all can really tell me about it 42:02 because i told you i have limitations and that's as far as i'll go i love don 42:08 it's not that i won't do for don because he's he's like a true brother to me but that's where i draw a line and 42:14 wherever he gets in a group of people and talks about his writings you know since you're playing arena you'd know the answer that boy that would be a no 42:23 listen y'all gotta read skitter by don miskel since we're talking about her y'all gotta read 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i'm just joking because 43:51 people act like we're asking something that's really deeply profound it's as simple as 43:56 are you going to obey the rules of the platform and you know like you know what inspired you to i don't know it's three very 44:03 simple questions nothing really simple it's not true i'm gonna have to put on 44:10 you know i'm gonna have to die my lake edwards right now i heard 44:15 what you're not gonna do is think that we're going to let you 44:22 join our platform by answering the questions do you think that we took the time to post them for you not you're 44:28 going to have to answer them in order to join our group it's not a secret society we're not doing blood sacrifices we just 44:34 simply want to know are you going to come up on our page and tear up and the answer that is 44:40 if the answer is no and you're going to stick with the tenants and what we're trying to do which is talk about you know movies that impact 44:48 africans african-americans think you know things that nature you know um if you're gonna be a part at 44:54 then by all means join yeah so i mean i had i had to put on my neighborhood hat just a second ago yeah 45:01 because we don't do spam and all you know and stills and you know i know that you 45:06 all have some phenomenal your pyramid schemes going on i know your name on your page do that 45:14 you know we're not trying to be involved with that you know we're just we're just trying to talk about these topics so please join us there and share your 45:21 expertise we have some really interesting commentary up there and you know we get into some deep things people 45:27 share some movies and some other media that we're not even as familiar with and 45:32 it opens up you know your scope so definitely get that we have some great conversation starters and stuff 45:38 and with all that said god bless you and keep you we gonna get on out of here you all 45:45 enjoy the rest of your day and we'll see you next time to 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@Troy well my point was about the relationship between parents. I never said a single childs parents make the community of children I said it is the relationship of all the children s parents , like in a public school that influences the children, the elterngarten's qualities influences the kindergarten, at leas tthat is my experience and I am happy it isn't like yours or others in my offline circle.

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@Troy @Pioneer1 gardens of chlldren will always have children who insult othe children, this is as old as humanity but in my experience, when parents of children are together or organized, that negative behavior between children is lessened to ended. and i say this as a child who in my scholastic career, my black parents and other black parents worked together to make the environment in my public school positive. Any child who has such a negative environment in school needs to blame their parents alongside the parents of the other kids. My friends, black, raised in nyc who had similar experiences to you two, when i look at what was different, it was the parents of the children in the school, that failed.

@Pioneer1 I have publicly said this myself, in this very forum, many times. The only things i can add that I have't said before are: 1. I can't recall any black person , very popular or highly active in the government, promoting a black party of governance... meaning whether back people advocate the elephants or the donkeys or independent none say black party of governance so... what unite these three groups who tend to speak ill of each other but are all assured in no black party of governance. Black independents talk about voting issue by issue, cycle by cycle, but never a black party. Black elephants even when the party of abraham lincoln does clearly anti black things never thinks to break off. Black donkeys even when the party of andrew jackson does clearly anti black things never thinks to break off. so... conspiracy maybe, but clearly something unites those three groups all of whom tend to be financially of the most wealthy black folks 2. I think I haven't seen one quality attempt at a third party in the usa, and i think two things have to be said. First the donkeys + elephants will work together to stop a consistent third party from forming. Too fe admit this, like the elephants or donkeys want another player, they don't. Second, I do think the structure/design/demographic strategy of a third party,any third party has to be more respected. I recall the reform party. It had two problems at the end. It became too beholden to the elephants. and second, it realize how to focus on the places its won and simply be content. I do think the infatuation with the presidency and third parties is a problem overall. The black populace of the usa isn't demographically even everywhere so any functional party of governance for black people in the usa can't be a federal wide party. I jus tthink that is a simple truth that gets lost or not admitted enough. So accepting these things, a black party of governance can't be shaped/structured/designed like the elephants or donkeys. And I think that is part of the problem.

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@Chevdove thank you for sharing your first hand account of things in the first peoples populace and you are free to state your case in any of my post.

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@ProfD well it is all complicated. Haiti is the best + worst of the black descended of enslaved experience in the american continent, canada to argentina ... I wasn't trying to suggest you are but the reality is, even for communalist like myself, that individual growth is the pathway for most black success in humanity of the last one hundred and fifty plus years. But, my point wasn't to criminalize individualism or communalism or uphold either. If Black people want to go the individualist right I am fine with it my only wish/desire/want is for said black individualist to admit it they are. That to me is where black individualist harm the community. The community is not good enough for you, fair enough. No problem. But, admit it. Don't try to act like this is best for the whole. That is my biggest issue with many black elected officials. Ok, you played the community for yourself. Why not admit it? Even after they retire they dont admit it. why? shame . come on.

irreparable damages can't be redressed. That is the truth that plagues many relationships between individuals or groups in human history. Sometimes time changes groups , more rarely individuals, into a form where even though they are knowledgeable of the irreparable damage from another they operate in some positive fashion to the other that made the irreparable damage. The first peoples in the american continent, canada to argentina, is probably the best example. ala the apology by biden and the response by many first peoples. They know many tribes are never coming back, they know many others are so tiny that they are near extinction. Even if the usa federal government gave billions that will not redress the damages to the first peoples. But that goes to your logic , which i comprehend. Many of those first peoples are hoping for financial support, even if they know enough to be extremely bitter about it. Now the trick is, what about the first peoples who don't feel that way. That is where it gets messy in populaces. I am still looking for that vote between the leaders of the black church during reconstruction that essentially voted to go the way of peace, supposedly by one vote, even with all the white murdering violence toward black people. I really want to find that. That is a prime example of a populace whose leaders have made a choice that coincides with your view, but wasn't in concert to the majority in the black populace so it is messy right. Arguably their choice doomed millions of black people in the years to come to white violence, in all forms, but it opened black individuals , who thinking similar to you to start businesses, become elected officials, and create in modernity , a financially wealthy group in the black populace that has thrived. I want to end, nonviolence has been communally disastrous for black people the world over. From india to france to brasil to the usa, it has led to the death of many black people at the hands of whites. BUT, individually, it has been a boon to blacks willing to do as you suggest Profd To forego the communal for individual growth. The shame is few of the individuals are willing to admit that the cost of their individual growth was the community. What happened in california is the modern example, it reflects what you say. The black clan got money, but the elected offical explains my point in concert https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2349&type=status That is why i shared this https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/10813-california-reparations-leaves-out-cash/?do=findComment&comment=65454

I comprehend now thank you, ... regardless of context or complexities or situations, you view, financial acquisition from another , as the crus of "apologies" regardless of verbage. of course I don't publicly stand in concurrence, but I comprehend your logic. Get past the why's reasons, subtleties, or other similars and focus on the financial gain from another. I think individually it is very useful,functional, but i think communally it is dangerous, potentially dysfunctional. I must advise to anyone else who may read this a caution. I do believe in considering who reads a thing and if a black child is reading this dialog between you or me, they may be misled from my point of view. Lessons can be learned from the journey of the zionists or the people of nippon, including in concert to the usa, and while I fully condone individual appreciation, i must suggest extreme care, mapping their situations to a black populace somewhere, it is historically or functionally very dangerous.

really, NYC is the king of those things but they haven't repaired anything communally. But maybe I am not seeing, can you explain how they have repaired? i ask for more verbosity

yeah @ProfD the thing is apologies come with the repairable action. Some things can never be repaired , sequentially never can have an apology. The descendants of murderers + enslavers can not repair the damage their forebears wrought to others with an apology to the descendants of said others. said murders and enslavements causes irreparable damage. A husband can't repair the damage of trust with a ring. The ring is a symbol of the vow, it isn't proof of it. And it is up to the wife or spouse whose trust has been betrayed to determine how their trust can be restored, not items from the one who broke the vow. If you can't repair or you haven't repaired the damage then the apology is worthless. If someone owes me ten dollars and apologizes to me and gives me ten dollars, that is acceptable. A person cost me money but made me square. If someone i trust lie to me, they have broken my trust but it is up to me to determine how my trust will be restored, not them . Money can't repair non financial problems.

I will share information concerning the first peoples in the usa and biden's actions, but I must first speak. Apologies are useless. Apologies can not repair any damage in the past. I have never liked or I have always opposed apologies. Clinton couldn't undo the damage from whites through acts of enslavement to the Black Descended of Enslaved populace in the usa or the european colonies that preceded it and Biden can't undo the damage from whites through acts of genocide to the First Human populace in the usa or the european colonies that preceded it. The sadness is that, a large percentage, not all, First Peoples in the usa or Black DOSers in the usa in their zeal to embrace the usa so as not to be stateless in truth plus live nonviolent lives to support the most convenient relationship to favor the usa, present an advertisable group that provides an illusion that the apologies work. They don't and all I can promise is the impotency of apologies will come back to haunt many , as all lies at their heart eventually leave places for the light of truth to strike. ARTICLES WATCH: Biden makes historic apology for ‘sin’ of U.S. role in deadly Indigenous boarding schools By — Graham Lee Brewer, Associated Press NORMAN, Okla. (AP) — President Joe Biden formally apologized on Friday for the country’s role in the Indian boarding school system, which devastated the lives of generations of Indigenous children and their ancestors. “I would never have guessed in a million years that something like this would happen,” said Secretary of Interior Deb Haaland, a member of the Pueblo of Laguna. “It’s a big deal to me. I’m sure it will be a big deal to all of Indian Country.” Shortly after becoming the first Native American to lead the Interior, Haaland launched an investigation into the boarding school system, which found that at least 18,000 children, some as young as 4, were taken from their parents and forced to attend schools that sought to assimilate them, in an effort to dispossess their tribal nations of land. It also documented nearly 1,000 deaths and 74 gravesites associated with the more than 500 schools. No president has ever formally apologized for the forced removal of Native American, Alaska Native, and Native Hawaiian children — an element of genocide as defined by the United Nations — or any other aspect of the U.S. government’s decimation of Indigenous peoples. During the second phase of its investigation, the Interior conducted listening sessions and gathered the testimony of survivors. One of the recommendations of the final report was an acknowledgement of and apology for the boarding school era. Haaland said she took that to Biden, who agreed that it was necessary. Haaland, whose grandparents were forced to attend a boarding school, said she was honored to play a role, along with her staff, in helping make the apology a reality. Haaland will join Biden during his first diplomatic visit to a tribal nation as president on Friday as he delivers his speech. “It will be one of the high points of my entire life,” she said. It’s unclear what, if any, action will follow the apology. The Department of Interior is still working with tribal nations to repatriate the remains of children on federal lands, and many tribes are still at odds with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which has refused to follow the federal law regulating the return of Native American remains when it comes to those still buried at Carlisle Indian School in Pennsylvania. “President Biden’s apology is a profound moment for Native people across this country,” Cherokee Nation Principal Chief Chuck Hoskin Jr. said in a statement to The Associated Press. “Our children were made to live in a world that erased their identities, their culture and upended their spoken language,” Hoskin said in his statement. “Oklahoma was home to 87 boarding schools in which thousands of our Cherokee children attended. Still today, nearly every Cherokee Nation citizen somehow feels the impact.” Friday’s apology could lead to further progress for tribal nations still pushing for continued action from the federal government, because it’s an acknowledgement of past wrongs left unrectified, something “known and buried,” said Melissa Nobles, Chancellor of MIT and author of “The Politics of Official Apologies.” “These things have value because it validates the experiences of the survivors and acknowledges they’ve been seen and we heard you, and also there’s a lot of historical evidence to suggest this happened,” Nobles said. In Canada, a country with a similar history of subjugating Indigenous peoples and forcing their children into boarding schools for assimilation, an apology from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in 2017 was followed by the establishment of a truth and reconciliation process and the injection of billions of dollars into First Nations to deal with the devastation left by the government’s policies. No such commission exists in the U.S. A bill to establish a truth and reconciliation process was introduced last year by Sen. Elizabeth Warren, but it remains in the Senate. Pope Francis issued a historic apology in 2022 for the Catholic Church’s cooperation with Canada’s “catastrophic” policy of Indigenous residential schools, saying the forced assimilation of Native people into Christian society destroyed their cultures, severed families and marginalized generations. “I am deeply sorry,” Francis said to school survivors and Indigenous community members gathered in Alberta. He called the school policy a “disastrous error” that was incompatible with the Gospel. “I humbly beg forgiveness for the evil committed by so many Christians against the Indigenous peoples,” Francis said. In 1993, President Bill Clinton signed a law apologizing to Native Hawaiians for the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy a century prior. In 2008, Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd formally apologized to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples for his government’s past policies of assimilation, including the forced removal of children. New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern made a similar concession in 2022. Hoskin said he is grateful to both Biden and Haaland for leading the effort to reckon with the country’s role in a dark chapter for Indigenous peoples, but he emphasized that the apology is just “an important step, which must be followed by continued action.” https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-biden-to-make-historic-apology-for-u-s-role-in-deadly-indigenous-boarding-schools Researchers unearth the painful history of a Native boarding school in Missouri By — Gabrielle Hays ST. LOUIS – In the last two years, Canada and several U.S. states have begun to recognize their histories with Native American boarding schools, institutions that set out to “assimilate” Native American children into westernized U.S. ways of life by stripping them of Indigenous tradition and culture. What would start with a small number of schools following the Indian Civilization Fund Act in 1819 would eventually grow to more than 350 “government-funded, and often church-run” schools across the United States in the 19th and 20th centuries, according to the National Native American Boarding School Healing Coalition. But a key part of reconciling with the past is better understanding what happened in those schools, who survived and who didn’t, and documenting stories in a key period of the long history of trauma from governments and religious institutions on Native people — information that can be in some cases sparse and hard to find. As legislation that would create a federal commission to explore the country’s history with boarding schools has stalled, efforts from others, such as the National Native American Boarding School Healing Coalition, have continued. The Society of Jesus, widely known as the Jesuits , which ran a number of these schools, as well as local researchers are trying to provide a more complete picture of what life was like, before, during and after these schools existed. In St. Louis, that means compiling an archive of documents and research that delve into the Midwest’s chapter of a long and painful yet important American story. It is a history that in many ways started with promises of better education but instead led to hours of forced labor and beatings documented by Jesuits themselves. The local boarding school, St. Regis Seminary, opened May 11, 1824, in Florissant, Missouri. At its start, it housed two boys from the Sauk Tribe who were later joined by three from the Ioway Tribe. It was all a part of Bishop Louis Valentine William DuBourg’s vision to “familiarize” his young missionaries with “their manners and languages.” Over time, the school would take in 30 boys in all. The PBS NewsHour reviewed letters and available historical records, and interviewed experts, researchers and several Jesuits to piece together what happened at St. Regis. However, researchers say there is far more to learn. Additional details are likely to emerge as they go deeper into other archives found across the country or Jesuit correspondence kept in Rome. In January, the Society of Jesus hired its own researcher based in St. Louis to look specifically at its history with boarding schools and to uncover details about their existence. “Unquestionable amounts of children never had justice,” said Kent Blansett, associate professor of Indigenous studies and history at the University of Kansas — and for that there is a cost. These children could have gone on to be writers, Einsteins, leaders in their community, he said. There is also the trauma and legacy of those who survived. Combined, this leads to a “real toll that doesn’t exist in just one generation,” Blansett said. This is all the more reason to understand the history of boarding schools, said Kim Cary Warren, associate professor of history and associate dean of diversity, equity and inclusion at the University of Kansas — not only for what happened when they existed, but the consequences that persisted long after. “It’s important for us to know our historical past, no matter how nuanced, no matter how diverse, no matter how tragic at times, no matter how triumphal,” Warren said. Uncovering history In 1819, years before St. Regis erected its boarding school, Congress enacted the Civilization Fund Act. The law stated the president could “instruct” Native people “in every case where he shall judge improvement in the habits and condition of such Indians practicable” to “employ capable persons of good moral character.” It also called for “teaching their children in reading, writing, and arithmetic.” But as the Native American Rights Fund noted in its 2013 legal review, “the thrust of “civilization” of Native Americans was to strip them of their traditions and customs and teach them the ways of the majority culture in missionary schools.” [ nlr38-2.pdf or https://1drv.ms/b/c/ea9004809c2729bb/EWtHEq58SOtGgHHKdAudb5EBv7-LVkODDlPXPONB0JLeFw?e=pzc9pG ] Native American boarding schools existed in the St. Louis area as early as 1824, when the Jesuits requested government funds to “civilize” Native children at a seminary minutes outside the city. The original building, known as St. Regis Seminary, no longer exists on the same plot of land in the city of Florissant. In that spot today stands St. Stanislaus Seminary, what was once a foundational foothold for Jesuit work between the Allegheny and Rocky Mountains. The earliest surviving structure of the seminary, known as the Old Rock Building, is a limestone building built in 1840 by Black people enslaved by the Jesuits, as well as some of the Jesuit brothers. The boarding school opened a year after the seminary was founded in 1823. According to existing documents, the St. Regis Seminary lasted about seven years. But the small trove of available archival materials contains little detail on what happened to the dozens of Native boys at the short-lived school, underscoring how the stories of the Native children at these boarding schools in Missouri in the early half of the 19th century have been lost or largely untold. The plan for St. Regis began with one Catholic bishop’s reasoning that the “spiritual needs of the tribes had been neglected,” as described in a 1971 nomination for Old Rock and two other St. Stanislaus buildings to be added to the National Register of Historic Places. The Bishop Louis Valentine William DuBourg of Louisiana, the founder of St. Louis University, an institution with deep Jesuit history, made an in-person appeal to then-Secretary of War John C. Calhoun, a “staunch defender” of slavery. Initially, DuBourg wanted a few missionaries to settle among Native tribes in the area. Later, he expanded his request to the government, asking for funding to establish an “Indian School.” In a letter to his brother, DuBourg said he wanted the seminary to obtain a half-dozen Native children and prepare them “to become guides, interpreters and helpers to the missionaries.” Calhoun replied that President James Monroe was on board, and the U.S. government would send $800 annually – around $20,000 in today’s dollars – once the school was up and running with a “suitable number” of students. Across the country, about $10,000 was allocated annually through the 1819 Civilization Fund Act, largely to mission schools, “to convert Indians from hunters to agriculturalists,” as documented in a 2016 congressional report. However, St. Regis did not always receive the full amount from that fund each year, according to the 1919 Catholic Historical Review, because the school did not keep a steady number of boys enrolled. Researchers have found limited details on what life was like for the Native boys at St. Regis. However, as more people dive into the topic, more letters and documents are uncovered. Writings dated from 1867 from Peter De Meyer, a Jesuit, noted that the boys were taught to pray in English and worked in the cornfields. There is also a focus on assimilation tactics, from the clothes the boys were made to wear and instructions on how to eat. In at least one instance, parents of the boys visited the school. Warren, who is also the author of “The Quest for Citizenship: African American and Native American Education in Kansas,”said these schools were started with what the Society of Jesus called a “benevolent mission in mind.” “Their idea would have been: We want to help these children, we want to take them out of their Native American cultures and assimilate them and make them believe in Protestant Christianity, make them cut their hair, make them adopt white Christian names, adopt work styles that were considered appropriate and dominant for the time,” she said. But underneath all of that, Warren emphasized, “was a really racialized agenda to erase Native culture and to try to make Native Americans and their culture and their identities disappear over several generations.” Research conducted and compiled by Kelly Schmidt, postdoctoral research associate at Washington University in St. Louis, shows how unhappy the children were and how violent their conditions could be. Schmidt, who included some of this research in her dissertation, found an 1825 letter from Rev. Charles F. Van Quickenborne, who was in charge at the seminary, which noted that the Native American boys ”all wept when the hoe was put into their hands for the first time.” Though the Jesuits often claimed the boys would be studying, Schmidt said documents indicate otherwise; the boys’ work increasingly became devoted to physical work. “Records show that they were frequently being made to do manual labor without compensation, being treated as enslaved people,” she said. Letters collected in her research show the boys were not only forced into labor, working several hours a day, but also experienced violent, sometimes bloody beatings. In one 1832 correspondence written to another Jesuit by Brother John O’Connor, who worked at the school, O’Connor described seeing Jesuit priests “tie the hands of the Indian scholars like so many felons and take them to be cruelly scourged on the naked back in the open air under his own eyes.” He adds that their hands “were stretched in the form of a cross fastened to a tree and a post.” Two years earlier, Peter DeSmet, another Catholic priest and Jesuit, recounted that 12 of the boys left the school with “the stripes of cowhide on their back.” Several of them ran away because of the “horror” and “displeasure” of watching a “Priest of the Society beating to blood their companions,” the letter said. By 1825, Van Quickenborne had his sights set on opening another boarding school in Kansas. At the direction of General William Clark, most known for his expedition with Meriwether Lewis, he laid out a plan for the school, asking the U.S. government for support. Quickenborne’s plan included the suggestion to take children, aged 8 to 12 years, to “habituate them more easily to the customs and industry of civil life, and impress more deeply on their hearts the principles of religion.” He also laid out how the children should eventually be married and work with the missionaries to gain the trust of the tribes to which they returned. He estimated the total cost of carrying out this plan would amount to $2,500. His proposal never got any aid from the U.S. government. The last Native boy left St. Regis Seminary on June 30, 1831 — seven years after opening. Little is known about where the children came from and what happened to them after they left the school. What is known is that the idea of such schools did not end when St. Regis closed. The 1904 St. Louis World’s Fair housed a “Model Indian School,” featuring “150 students from Chilocco, Haskell, Genoa, Fort Shaw and Sacaton Indian Schools” across the country, according to a Department of Anthropology report in the Missouri Historical Society’s Louisiana Purchase Company Records. The exhibit included booths with “representative Indians from various tribes at work at their native industries.” It describes groups of students in different grades and specifically mentions that the kindergarten class was “one of the most popular exhibits,” though the class had to be sent home in August “on account of sickness.” In the list of students from that group, all from the Pima tribe, it notes one child, Mary Thomas, died. These ideas stretch “back to the time of the ‘discovery of the Americas,’ as it is called. We were already here,” said Blansett, associate professor of Indigenous studies and history at the University of Kansas. Blansett, a descendant of the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Shawnee, and Potawatomi people, founded and serves as the executive director of the American Indian Digital History Project, an online cache for researchers to preserve rare Indigenous archives. “For European peoples at that time, there was no mention of us in biblical terms, there was no mention of these lands,” Blansett said. The existence of Native people, then, “throws a wrench into the religion philosophy, the libraries of cultures that have been ingrained with the church, especially throughout Europe.” As a result, Blansett said, Europeans decided the best way to attack Native American history, culture and livelihood was to “attack the next generation. Taking away our humanity, taking away our soul,” he added. How the Jesuits are addressing the past Over the last few years, the Jesuit Conference of Canada and the United States, headquartered in Washington, D.C., has taken some steps toward addressing this history. In a Jan. 4 email sent from Father Ted Penton, SJ, a Jesuit priest and the secretary of the conference’s office of justice and ecology, he outlined some of that work, including hiring a researcher to work at the Jesuit Archives in St. Louis to compile “a complete list of these schools along with brief summaries of key data, along with notes that will help direct future researchers to relevant sources we hold.” He also pointed to a statement the conference made in August 2021 after hundreds of unidentified graves of Indigenous children were found in Canada. “We grieve deeply the loss of human life and culture that took place at such schools, both in Canada and the United States, and we acknowledge that the Society of Jesus participated in that history,” the statement read. The statement goes on to mention how the “structures and practices which forced Indigenous children to be separated from their families and prohibited these children from speaking their language and practicing their culture” were “fundamental” to their function and that the Society of Jesus regrets its participation “in the separation of families and the suppression of Native languages, cultures and sacred ways of life.” The NewsHour also made several requests to St. Louis University for comment and was told St. Louis University referred inquiries about the Jesuits’ boarding schools to the Jesuit Conference of Canada and the United States, but noted that its bicentennial book, “Always at the Frontier,” which was published in 2018, includes references to St. Regis. The names of the religious leaders who facilitated the opening remain displayed on buildings at St. Louis University and private Catholic high schools in the region. The name of DuBourg, for instance, who signed the early letters requesting funds for St. Regis, lives on — through the university’s website, which notes his role as its founder but not in the boarding school, as well as one of its buildings. ‘They’re not nameless. They’re people’ Though the names of the 30 boys at St. Regis may never be known, for Blansett, whether it was a school of 30 or 300, this chapter of American history cannot go untold. As an educator and as a father, Blansett said he works to put what happened and what continues to happen to Native American people at the forefront of the minds of his students and his children. “It gets them to understand that they need to make a stand, that they need to speak up,” he said. “They can’t accept these systems as status quo or as norm or as a part of a true democracy.” Penton, of the Jesuit Conference of Canada and the United States, said in an email the body has endorsed The Truth and Healing Commission on Indian Boarding School Policies in the United States Act, which seeks to establish a federal commission that will examine the United State’s history of implementing Indian Boarding School Policy. U.S. Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland and Senator Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., introduced the bill in 2020. It was then reintroduced in September 2021 with bipartisan support and read before the Committee on Indian Affairs, however there has been no movement on the bill since. In June 2021, Haaland also launched the Federal Indian Boarding School Initiative, which the department called “a comprehensive review of the troubled legacy of federal boarding school policies.” “The Interior Department will address the intergenerational impact of Indian boarding schools to shed light on the unspoken traumas of the past, no matter how hard it will be,” Haaland said. The investigation was compiled into a report and submitted to Haaland on April 1 but has not yet been released to the public. Setting up a commission is “a crucial step towards acknowledging and responding to this difficult part of our shared history,” Blansett said. However, for Blansett and Warren, a key part of telling the story of what happened in those boarding schools means also bringing attention to the Native students who survived the abuse from these institutions. After St. Regis had closed its doors, what were their lives like? As Warren uncovered in her research, the history of these schools also included stories of Native children finding their families again and others of students organizing in protest against boarding school officials. It is these stories, she said, that have to be preserved, too. They are not nameless, Warren said, adding that some of the children of government-sanctioned boarding schools had to live on without the aid of parents or allies or even, sometimes, without the aid of someone who spoke their Native language. While details about the Native boys at St. Regis remain scant in the available archives, there is one name: Maximus. In an 1825 letter, Van Quickenborne described some of the boys he had to expel from the school after his mistreatment of them reached a superior. Midway through the letter, he mentions a child called Maximus by name, but with little description. No age, no mannerisms, no greater hints about what happened to him next other than that he was the “son of an Ioway chief” who was now in St. Charles, located a county over from St. Louis County. The rest of the Native boys had names, but were rendered nameless. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/uncovering-the-traumatic-history-of-one-native-american-boarding-school-in-the-midwest In 1904, the St. Louis World’s Fair displayed a model Indian boarding school. Construction on the building started on Dec. 2, 1903, and was completed on Jan. 4, 1904. Photo courtesy of Missouri Historical Society Collections Sexual abuse of Native American children at boarding schools exposed in new report May 29, 2024 6:35 PM EDT By — Lisa Desjardins Read the Washington Post's investigation of sexual abuse at Native American boarding schools. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2024/sexual-abuse-native-american-boarding-schools/ For 150 years, the United States government sent Native American children to remote boarding schools as part of a systematic effort to seize tribal lands and eradicate culture. Dozens of these schools were run by the Catholic Church or its affiliates. A Washington Post investigation revealed widespread sexual abuse of generations of these children at many institutions. Lisa Desjardins reports. Read the Full Transcript Notice: Transcripts are machine and human generated and lightly edited for accuracy. They may contain errors. Amna Nawaz: For 150 years, the U.S. government sent Native American children to remote so-called boarding schools as part of a systematic effort to seize tribal lands and eradicate Native American culture. Dozens of these boarding schools were run by the Catholic Church or its affiliates. A new Washington Post investigation has revealed widespread sexual abuse of generations of these children at many of those institutions. Lisa Desjardins has the story. And a warning: The story contains sensitive subject material. Lisa Desjardins: Geoff, this report documents the sexual abuse of more than 1,000 children by over 100 priests, sisters and brothers. But experts believe that number is likely a significant undercount. Earlier today, we spoke with Deborah Parker, chief executive of the National Native American Boarding School Healing Coalition. Deborah Parker, National Native American Boarding School Healing Coalition: For us, this is a national crime scene, and our relatives, our Native American relatives, deserve to know the truth. Lisa Desjardins: For more, we're joined by Washington Post reporter Dana Hedgpeth, who was part of the team that reported this story and is a member of the Haliwa-Saponi Tribe of North Carolina. Thank you so much for joining us. Can you help our viewers understand the scope of the abuse that you uncovered? Dana Hedgpeth, The Washington Post: This is a very important topic, and there's been a lot of work already done on this. We hope to move the ball forward and shed new light on it. And what we found in our investigation gave new details about the level of sexual abuse that was done by Catholic priests, sisters and brothers from the 1800s to the 1900s at schools. Most of the abuse occurred in the 1950s and '60s and involved 1,000 children. And experts like Deb Parker and others believe that that is really only the tip of the iceberg, that the abuse was more widespread, deeper than probably we found. But documents are inconsistent and incomplete. So that is what we found in our investigation. Lisa Desjardins: We're talking about Native boys and girls ranging from age from some of the very smallest into teenage years, some generations, multiple generations at the same school by multiple abusers. Deborah Parker also spoke to us about why some of those survivors stayed silent so long. Deborah Parker: Many of these boarding schools' survivors were told that, if they tell anyone, that they'd be hurt, or that God wouldn't love them, or that they would actually go to hell. There's a great fear in telling the story. Lisa Desjardins: This speaks to one of the evils of this kind of abuse. But reporters have talked about — in the national spotlight, we have had a conversation about Catholic abuse of children for decades now. Why do you think it's taken so long to pay attention to what happened in Native land? Dana Hedgpeth: Folks like myself, Native Americans, know these stories, they have been passed down. And families, people know these stories. It is not a new history, unfortunately. It's a painful history that's been recognized. Probably one of the best reasons that this history is coming more to light now in more recent times is twofold. One, in the early 2000s, The Boston Globe did great work of exposing the abuse that was happening there. So that showed people that, the Catholic Church, people could be held accountable. And that was a very much a turning point for Native Americans. These were very young children. They didn't know at the time or understand that they were being abused. And the way abuse happens, unfortunately, it takes so long to process. It's painful. People repress those things. And only as they became adults did they really understand and feel more comfortable with coming forward. Lisa Desjardins: There are so many gut-wrenching stories here that are important to tell. But could one stand out of a person or family that you think viewers should be aware of? Dana Hedgpeth: I would say Clarita Vargas, who went to a school, a Catholic-run school, in Omak, Washington. And Clarita came forward, and she was one of several dozen victims in a large lawsuit that eventually got settled. But what really stands out with Clarita's stories that the lawyers noticed right away is the movie nights, as the lawyers always called it. Clarita went there when she was a young girl. And, sadly, she was lured, like many children. A priest named Father Morse would invite them to his office on Sunday nights for movie night. And if you can imagine being a young child and being lured to see a movie, they didn't have any special things, but being lured with candy canes at Christmastime or chocolate bars or chocolate chip cookies, where the children were then abused. And, sadly, what's so powerful about that story is it wasn't just happening to Clarita. It was happening to the other young girls at that same school. And then, as the lawyers investigated and went to other reservations, talked to other people, they realized that this similar thing, luring children with candy, literally preying on children, these vulnerable kids away from their homes, taken from their families, stripped of their culture. And it was a pattern of abuse that was happening, just not at this school, but at dozens of other schools. Lisa Desjardins: We also spoke to someone else in your story, Jim LaBelle. He's Inupiaq of Alaska. And he was separated from his family, not even given a name, called by a number when he was a child, he told us, sexually abused and beaten. Here's how he described the isolation, especially from that abuse. Jim LaBelle, Boarding School Survivor: There is no place that a child could be safe from predators, pedophiles, from so much abuse, strappings, rippings, beatings, putting in dark closets, wearing a dunce cap in the front of the classroom, running the gauntlets. There is no place to get away from any of what we were experiencing. Lisa Desjardins: This is so shameful. No White House has ever formally apologized for the United States' integral role in what happened in boarding schools in this country. Now, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, responding to your story, did acknowledge the history and deep sorrow from this era. They said they hope for a dialogue. Didn't talk about the sexual abuse in their response, though. My question to you is, what do Native communities and survivors want to happen? What do they want to hear? Dana Hedgpeth: It's not about the money from lawsuits. It's not about issuing press releases by Catholic dioceses or churches. For so many Native people, survivors who went through these schools and their descendants, it's about the acknowledgement that they were wronged. It's about someone of official capacity, the president, the pope, standing before them and saying, I'm sorry. This government wrong you. It was a systematic effort to try to eradicate and assimilate Native children, strip them of their culture and what they knew, force them into a — quote, unquote — "education." And they want that acknowledgment. They want that face-to-face acknowledgment, not on a piece of paper. They want that face-to-face acknowledgment that they were wronged by the U.S. government. Lisa Desjardins: Your address is also sort of an acknowledgement. It is from a survivor of the boarding schools as well. I want to ask you, in thinking about this story, why do you think it is so hard for the United States, versus Canada, which has spent much more looking into these issues and compensating survivors? Why is it hard for the United States to reckon with these very dark moments in our past? Dana Hedgpeth: It's a very good question, and I like the way you asked that. I would say Canada struggled as well. We talked to Murray Sinclair, who headed the Truth and Reconciliation Commission there in Canada, in quite a bit of detail. And he told us that it was difficult there. This is not an easy process any time you shine a light on a tragic history. This is the darkest chapter of America's very dark history of how Native Americans were treated. So there is nothing easy about this. They spent seven years in Canada and $6 billion to come to a 4,000-page conclusion of how their indigenous communities were treated, and they concluded that it was a cultural genocide. Why is the U.S. so far behind? Again, it's not an easy process. I think things are moving forward. It is coming into the light, so to speak, in large part because of Deb Haaland, who is the first Native American Cabinet secretary. It's a very personal story for her, her own family. Her own grandmother was taken, rounded up on, put on a train, taken 100 miles from her home. No one understands this story more personally than Deb Haaland. And she's bringing it to light. Lisa Desjardins: Dana Hedgpeth, thank you so much. This is phenomenal reporting and so important. Dana Hedgpeth: Thank you so much for having me and for listening to the story. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/sexual-abuse-of-native-american-children-at-boarding-schools-exposed-in-new-report

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