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really @Pioneer1 I must admit I don't see my point as analogous to his. First, He is saying enslaved people have a choice and that is a lie. I try not to lie, first and foremost. An enslaved person is enslaved through a shackle of some sort. A physical shackle matters. Kanye to me is being traitorous to the memory of black people enslaved on each continent by whites all over: asia/america/europe/+ africa. Now he is correct to imply shackles of heritage, shackles of financial condition can be overcome. BUT, he is incorrect in that he suggest said non physical shackles are easily overcome. Financial shackles+heritage shackles are not easy to overcome as human history proves. Second, my point is that you and @ProfD definitions focus on being free after being set free by a master or soon to be former master's will, and my point is as a DOSer the focus should be on being free after making yourselves free and I admit my thinking is violence alone. Cause even if you fail to segregate yourself from your former masters, while being violent you are free. I don't see the similarity at all Pioneer.

@ProfD @Pioneer1 I think both of you reveal your inner thinking when either of your leanest definitions of a slave don't include , until they make themselves free. Considering we are all DOSers from a DOS perspective i would think a mandatory element of any definition of a slave, lean or complex or any adjective is to include,"until they make themselves free. I figure being set free is an optional element in the definition. Very telling you two.

@Pioneer1 @aka Contrarian @ProfD nice multilog from you alll:)

I see @ProfD I see, this is truth outside government but in government, that is an unwise approach to the law.

well @ProfD throughout most of the nonhuman species males are not superior. first bacteria or fungus are not gendered. and more of them exist than red blooded. among insects, females are usually the ones in control, the female bee who is in total control of the hive/the black widow spider who like most female spiders kills her mate/the preying mantis who does likewise ..... most insect species have a superior role with the female not male or have an equality. And among the red blooded, no female lion has ever been raped, the reason being she is bigger. The male lion isn't superior to the female, he serves a role as does she and female lions exist outside prides. The female tiger and male tiger are equals, both are solitary, they only get together to mate. ... Your opening phrase is incorrect. Most nonhuman species have a neutral relationship between their members or a female advantage between their members. Humans are unique children of earth. Even fellow sapiens, like gorillas or others, while they have a male leader of the tribe, the existence of females is a partnership , a neutrality. but humans are... again, unique, that is part of the unigueness in humans. most of human hsitory, yes, but not most non humans, no. you said a lot, i think your speaking on generalities right, cause I have seen white women challenge white men in nyc. And...well, I wish you would state the over 150 years of black men being herded into prisons. I wish more black people would state this reality. That action by whites really has led to thie scenario. And again, if my girlfriend or wife is making more money than me o r better I am not making any money, well she is the breadwinner. Why should I not follow her lead? And... again I have lived in nyc, maybe where you are in the usa, you never heard of white women or white asian women or non black women saying they are head of household or breadwinners but it happens alot in nyc:) so Profd, if a man works as a security guard and he sees a black female millionaire, he should never be in a relationship with her? our poor village is in trouble in the usa:) it's funny, from the early 1500s to 1865 most black men were enslaved which means they were completely broke... that is the financial status of the enslaved... are you suggesting enslaved black men should never have pursued enslaved black women from the early 1500s to 1865? I have to ask, you find your existence based on a mistake well your prose proves the problems. why is it a recipe for disaster, maybe the ingredients need to mature? maybe it isn't inevitable if men change or try to change? well ok:) I have to say i like myself:) but i am not less of a man if a woman i like has more money than me , if anything i am happy for her. It doesn't mean i will stop being on my own path but.... what you say is very rigid, i argue what you say proves my position right...well, at the least, thank you @ProfD great multilog:)

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@ProfD what does otoh mean? I notice in your prose "fixing" + "better" why do you use quotes? Are you saying fixing + better relative to each person or group? I don't comprehend how you are approaching the scenario. I assume you are referring to the whole while also allowing for the partial or the individual in this issue....

In all humanity , the last few centuries have been a time of male domination over women. The biggest legacy from that is the promoting in many homes, to male children, through amale figure or media completely designed by males promoting a male dominant agenda, the role of male + the role of female. The problem is when you have a man raised to think male , boy or man , is superior to female, girl or woman, in all ways then you get a problem when a female reaches any level of superiority over a male. Why? Cause the identity of male in said homes isn't from self alone, it is from relationship to female. For example, a male who is unemployed, living in a home that a woman pays for, can't accept himself because part of his identity as a male, that he was raised with, is to be above female. So even if you are living in a females home and you get to eat and sleep well and don't even have to improve your financial condition , at some point you have to be in control , because you were raised male is superior to female, not male is an individual aside female. And this connects to the usa, it is no accident that the usa is the best country for women. That more women around humanity flock to the usa. The idea of individual rights over collective rights has allowed the usa for all of its enslaving/genocidal/corrupt/cruel ways to be a place where women in all collectives, whether they be communities or religious groups or other, to thrive positively. And non white european women , who have to deal with a complex male system of male superiors first with white european and then their own local variant outside the usa, find the usa a blessing. Remember in the usa no federal law exist banning underage marriage, it is a states law issue. and four states, including california, allow for underage marriage. so, many states still allow for a female under eighteen to marry a male who is mature. Still cruel, unjust, enslaving, cruel but a blessing in that even if their collective is weak they can thrive positively regardless of the negativity in their home life. As eddie murphy said, unfufu An excerpt from the article linked below ... Cheptegei, 33, who lived in Kenya, had been in a critical condition after suffering burns on 75% of her body following last Sunday’s attack at her house in the western Trans Nzoia County. Her death was confirmed on X by the Kenyan Olympic Team on Thursday. Cheptegei finished 44th in the women’s marathon at the Paris Olympics weeks ago. Trans Nzoia County police commander Jeremiah ole Kosiom said earlier this week that the athlete had been doused in petrol by her boyfriend, Dickson Ndiema, who stormed her house with a jerry can of gasoline and set fire to her after a disagreement over land. Ndiema, who was also burned, is being treated at a hospital in the city of Eldoret. A medical official at the Moi Teaching and Referral Hospital where Cheptegei was being treated told CNN affiliate Citizen TV on Thursday that she suffered multi-organ failure late Wednesday. Cheptegei is the third elite female athlete to be killed in Kenya in the last three years. In 2021, 25-year-old Kenyan Olympic runner Agnes Tirop was found dead in her Iten home in the country’s Elgeyo-Marakwet County with stab wounds in her neck. Her husband, Ibrahim Rotich, was charged with murder after Kenyan prosecutors accused him of killing her. Months later, another Kenyan athlete Damaris Mutua, 28, was found strangled in a home with a pillow over her face. Mutua had just placed third at a half marathon in Angola earlier that month. Authorities said her boyfriend was the main suspect. CNN’s Nimi Princewill contributed reporting. ... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/paris-pays-tribute-to-ugandan-olympic-runner-rebecca-cheptegei-who-died-after-allegedly-being-set-on-fire-by-her-boyfriend/ar-AA1qcR9e?ocid=BingNewsSerp

My issue is that the NYPD was given an order by the law, they failed to do it. Do they go to prison? This is the truest issue with law enforcement in the usa,holistically. It has no way to be policed itself. Many people in local media talk about oversight but law enforcement is meant to be the liason of the government itself. So when law enforcement, the liason commits crimes, who is supposed to put them in jail? who? I don't see anyone and thus the only solution for people who get stop and frisked illegally by law enforcement is to move to somewhere where they will not be OR stay in nyc and eat the crow. NYC from new amsterdam to anytime in the future was and never will be a city of equal jsutice or treatment. Never, so accept and leave or eat crow? Below are links to the reports and you can paruse for yourself ny1 general report https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2024/09/07/report-finds-continued-use-of-unlawful-stop-and-frisk-by-nypd independent monitor report- not linked directly on the ny1 website. why? again, poor quality https://www.nypdmonitor.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/21st-Monitor-Report-General-Compliance-Report_Stamped.pdf just in case the link goes link in independent website https://www.nypdmonitor.org/resources-reports/ NOTES Nypd officers did not submit reports in more than 31% of audited stops Unconstitutional stops increased from 10.6 there was another noted in local media but it went so fast... amazing:)

Not jus thte MTA @Troy but most of the commentors in this post, so , there you have it. I think it shows a majority of blacks in the usa have a similar thinking to how government agents or government agencies operate or plan in the usa. well... being mayor of NYC is the problem. One of the things i try to remind people is some positions in any government come with automatic problems that you inherent and tend to only add problems during an elected officials time. USA president/governor of NY, california, texas/mayor of NYC, LA,Chicago said positions in the usa government are by default the problem. These positions have centuries of dysfunctional inefficient highly financially profitable for a few government that people in the modern are elected and told to act like their election has brought a day one. Governments don't work that way, just cause the usa like terms and term limits motif doesn't mean government in the usa is rebooted every election. So the problem mayor adams has is nyc itself. A ten million plus collection of strangers who tend to stay quiet , herding along each other, while the bureaucracy of nyc maintains dysfunctions year after year with the individuals who overcome the inefficiency deemed an example of the cities overall quality. And it is the same in Loa angeles, chicago, it is the same with new york state, california. centuries of dysfunctional or inefficient government activity that didn't lead to violent revolt but should had. When I think of the mayors long before i was born , my relatives words suggest from their own experience no mayor of nyc from the 1900s to modernity has been good really. but the city has hundreds of years of inherited inefficiency or dysfunction which can't be healed or undone or fixed or erased in four years @ProfD i know it is a small subset of people but I think it is telling and good point, it is the one @Pioneer1 made, which I comprehend. Regardless of the quality in any government, if it can maintain its day to day year to year, then keep going, until of course, the explosion. Which i don't mind the explosion, i mind what i find many say under various governments in history or humanity when an explosition occurs... and that is... how this happen How this happen , angers me more than anything when people assess governments, any governments. I think of blacks in south africa... I think of chinese in hong kong Black people of south africa ask, how this happen. and it sickens me. you know how, mandela fucked the black people, he let himself be used to create a fallacy of functional government, of black desire for a parliamentary style of government, mandela didn't allow any quality assessment of all the peoples including whites in south africa in the design of things, he legacied apartheid south africa under a parliamentary south africa. And added more chaos which has hurt all communities including the white. The only who have gained are financially wealthy whites and the black chiefs clans. People talk about white power too much, black people lacking imagination or lacking a potent team. why did't mandela embrace winnie mandela, that was the white man's doing, come on, mandela was simply weak and created a scenario that could only get worse. Imagination has value. Blacks, colored, Whites , Indians in South Africa thought the positive energy from mandela's time would last forever absent quality government, that is silly. Chinese in jhogn kong ask , how this happen, and it sickens me. You know how, when nixon made the deal with deng, hong kong was n a favored position as the gateway in and out of china and the eurasian financial elite of hong kong, made tons of money, became crazy rich and never realized that china, the only non white european country with globally recognized militarsitic power, was never going to allow itself to be a satrap for its eventual district hong kong and china over time, didn't need hong kong to ship good or port goods, didn't need hong kong for its film industry , didn't need hong kong for its financial services, so over time, hong kong became a useless city state, that said wealthy in hong kong, the eurasian financial elite, saw and did nothing about. Macau is a fww miles from hong kong, you can walk to macau from hong kong, macau is having the time of its life, but macau embraced the reality that china will only respect them if they serve a function. China isn't a fan of gambling all over, china's modern history with drugs and gambling means many in the chinese government don't trust such things all over the place, so china doesn't mind macau as the gambling center of the world and at least asia. and macau gets support and is beloved. But hong kongers knew all this as it was happening. Hong kongers thought hype could maintain their status quo with the mainland which was and is silly. Same to the usa, If the usa military ever losses its dominance, even in a region, or some country calls in its debt leading into a cascade of chaos, people will ask in the usa, how this happen. you know how though. So to nyc, I have been fortunate to speak to many, black/indigenous/white/female/male who have all said wise things and were or are far older than me and no one listened, the government kept playing the games so ok, but, How this happen ahhhh

@Pioneer1 your stance has two great flaws. One , the legacy of the past concerning immigration and New York city or any of new york city's past forms. Two, the power of the pro immigration issue in modern nyc. It can be argued, NYC, from the days when it was only lived in by the lenape and called manahatta and surrounding lands had incorrectly allowed illegal immigrants, starting with white europeans from holland. But one thing is for sure, NYC has been an ever increasing haven for illegal immigration since the lenape to today. What you call an obvious and unnecessary expense made nyc what it is today. Criminals from europe, white people who wanted to reinvent themselves, waves and waves of european immigrants, usually using false names or various incorrect identifiers which is illegal have consistently flooded into NYC and in the 1900s the waves began to be not white european but ever coming. So... NYC or its former new amsterdam or its former lenape lands have always been weighed down by the needs of illegal immigrants, immigrants who are illegal by some measure. In modernity you will never become mayor of nyc supporting a stance like that. Yes, you said illegal immigrants but many people in nyc came illegally, and will be energized against anyone trying to get elected on a platform like that for fear of a retroactive law which is a legal tradition in nyc. From the enslaved, to prisoners, to those in jail for marijuana, nyc government likes to make you pay for the past even if today is different. You can't become mayor and the mayor has the largest power over the budget. but many city council seats are unobtainable if you try to get said districts with such a platform. So , while I comprehend your position.It has financial merit, no question it has financial merit. I myself said, eric adams should had blockaded the city when texas and others starting bussing the people into the city. But adams knew, if he did that,he will not need to worry about a next term. So this goes back to quality of elected oficials.

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It occurred to me that I have an idea of a black savior in literature, but I want to hear what others have to say, and keep my thoughts to myself for now. So what black saviors are in literature, made by blacks or non blacks? What say you? My Comment your funny in this one, his 4d chess playing mom:) question, what do you think of herbert use of the bene gesserit? It seems in the book, herbert for me suggest the bene are a form of the daughter s of the american revolution. The thing diolized isn t a mythic south but a mythic humanity, a mythic humanity in which one human can be essentially some sort of combination of jesus/buddha/anasi/quetzecoatl and leads all but even though they are extremely power the basis of their power is the system the bene gesserit setup. When is martin going to finish that book series? because in defense, where the books are, the end is unknown and the end matters? what do you think of the casting choice of corlys valyron? you answered in circa 30:00 and good point on 33:00 about similar peoples being used and abused but treated differently for their appearance 36:00 haha yeah the tully scene is a gem of many things, cersei actually had support for being a westerosi, regardless of blowing up churches, being incestual plus cruel... 41:00 good point 42:23 the side chick maniesto:) that is great 47:40 right but i wish you would had said what supremacy means. Supremacy doesn't mean equality, it doesn't mean civility, it doesn't mean integration. Supremacy means to be above, the violence is important. In the northman movie, the director showed the viking peoples as cruel, deceptive, of a vain ignorance, or an harshness or rough nature, unkept, unclean, but the violent nature of the vikings, which is how they spread to be kings of lands beyond the north in europe was untouched and that is the key to supremacy in general. It isn't gleaming armor, gleaming armor is a nice addition but isn't required, as long as you win the war, that is enough, you are surpreme 48:00 right , to win, to win doesn't matter what you do as long as you win. 50:15 hahaha your funny, i remember thinking of the same scene with the little girl when christopher walken kisses the ring, villaneuve to his credit who says he likes the lynch film, which really is paul as jesus and all is right in the world, didn't want to take away the seriousness of the scene and replaces the child idolizing her brother in lynch with chani's walk off in silence and replaces lynch's proud mary mother of jesus with the mother who was slapped with more wisdom by the queen of the bene. 50:00 good point on heart of darkness

Two things, 1) What are the lost causes for Black DOSers? I think their are few, but I find black people in the usa try to ignore or delete the existence of black lost causes in the usa, what say you? And, 2) with black people having the ability to talk , why is it black people needed a school book when all black dosers had people in their bloodline who could speak of the south and slavery more real than any book? Don't tell me black parents were too busy to explain slavery to black children. Don't tell me black parents weren't able to speak to slavery to black children. Shame on black parents from 1865 for starting negative trends. MY COMMENT Well I have to say one thing, before the war between the states whites in kansas had a war with each other over the issue, so in defense f the larger civil war, it wasn't to "preserve" it was to preserve. The white populace had already become internally bloody over the issue of slavery being allowed or disallowed. And you speak of popular fiction but I argue the heritage of the confederacy was always bound to thrive. Slavery was terrible for my forebears , for black folks. But slavery wasn't terrible for whites. And the white southern populace never had the financial power or government influence it had before the war between the states, after said war. So the glorification of the time in the white southern populace is inevitable. The writers pro or anti slavery simply knew the market research and both were right. at the end of the day, writers who wrote anti slavery or pro slavery made great profits. But the reason why any country losses a war is the battlefield , not ideologies. The confederacy made errors on the battlefield, it is that simple. No country losses wars because of idealogies or legal policies. twilight is the reason you made this channel, that is great trivia. 10:59 yes, as the vice president of the confederacy said, this was inevitable from the beginning of the usa, since they kicked the problem down the road instead of dealing it. 14:29 and what about john carter of mars film and jonah hex? 23:22 you definitely make the case that the depictions of confederate vampires makes their role as white southerners who support slavery an easy or crude afterthought. from a writing perspective, it is clear, the writers didn't want to engage in the concept of the characters acting as immortal white bloodsucking beings surrounded by humans they can feed from indiscriminately Ala abraham lincoln vampire slayer:) which even though the slavers are vampires they seem to be caricature in their relationship to the issue. My only two question are where are the northern vampires and what about southern vampires who actually were enslaved as humans beforehand? in all of these stories it seems union vampires are far less developed or non existent and southern vampires seem to be conveniently made during the war between the states. 24:11 you met anne rice, cool:) and good point in how rice had more engaged characters to slavery in the usa. 28:22 well done, i remember Firefly.. gone with the wind for dads i love that, did you make that up. Well done well done 31:23 Good point, hahaha! yes, John carter, yes, jonah hex, well you answered my own questions beforehand. 33:53 yes, gone with the wind was the dream book to many southern women who hated the future . reemmber, wizard of oz made little to no money that same year. 37:45 he has a little rebel in him... anyway 38:00 A) I concur, anne rice and the interview with a vampire film , didn't have the same financial success as gone with the wind but became the way for producers of video content in modernity or post 2000 to show positive/sympathetic white southern characters in fantasy worlds with more superheroes or other. great literary point, the war between the states, no war is civil, is the last time in recent history on usa soil you had so many whites dying , before or after many blacks died but... C) yeah the legacy of the daughters of the american revolution in media is the teary eyed position of former confederates or confederate history in hindsight in media. 39:20 the end of the war between the states did end the south as a place where white power could be unchallenged against black people completely. It isn't merely an idea, it is the truth. Said whites who glorify the confederacy and the south before it are basically saying they don't mind a place where even the poorest uneducated imbalanced white has it better than any non white or black because of the existence of enslaved blacks who by their shackled situation are far worse than any person who is poor while free the gilda stories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gilda_Stories the vampre huntress legend stories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vampire_Huntress_Legend_Series.

The video below from Princess Weekes made me really consider phenotype or other forms of race from black writers in black fiction and the interpretation in film. One of the big differences with black literature is very little black literature made before the 1900s or even before 1950s has been made into movies. And, whenever literature is made into film, it suffers from the simple reality that a reader visualizes in their mind and the uniqueness of each reader gives each character in a book infinite faces, but a viewer of a film has their visualization filled by the video so the viewer has to compare or contrast and sequentially while readers are free of interpreting anyone's view of a character, the viewer is mandated to relate another's view to their own. And the social media post rise:) but i think about how little literature written from blacks before the 1960s or earlier has been made into videos so it seems a white literary issue when i argue alot of literature written by blacks before the 1960s if made into video will have similar problems, cause one thespian will never look like everyone's vision in their head. And I also wonder about black people in animation. So few black animations were made, with the love of the real image, ala frederick douglass, that black animation doesn't have a discernable style like animation from whites in the usa ala disney or europe, bade dessinee or whites of asia, the japanese. my comment to the video below much ado about nothing, kenneth branaugh:) I admit, as a writer myself, when I read other writers work i simply define phenotype as they describe. when someone says olive skinned, well, I see the character in my mind as the skin of the average olive, even though olives do come green and dark red. I think the issue is moving from a book to a film is where the complexity comes in. When a human reads a book your positive or negative biases come to the fore and you visualize characters in your mind. But in video, you are getting the visualization and sequentially, you have to match it to what you have in your mind and usually friction. It can be argued the problem is people looking to match video with what they saw when they read. In game of thrones, the summer islanders are real but are described as blue blacks or blackest browns, with no mullattoes/yellas if you know your daughters of the dust/ light skins black folk. I recall in fir and blood one of the dragon riders, who flew the mud dragon was one of the few "DOSer" black folk in the books. she is brown skin, lighter skin than a summer islander but clearly darker skin than the average in westeros. I have an aside question for you , do you think the small quantity of films made from black literature from the 1960s and before makes it where most, any phenotype in the usa, don't realize how black literary fiction can be represented in video against common perceptions from readers? the video

@ProfD yes, but i will now say what I quoted you on with different words that i think are clearer. Based on the approaches to the problem, the function is unsuitable. yeah, your correct. the function fits my approach to the law. I don't know if you saw what i replied to @Troy but i added a probabilistic element that satisfies his view. But it doesn't satisfy mine. The second any law says maybe, that maybe includes not only the best case but the worst case and , from my viewpoint that is a terrible law. I don't recall writing i lost anyone. My vote was voted down as it wasn't in the majority , that isn't a bad thing, Profd... that is how legislative bodies work, even mock ones. The majority of commentors approach this issue different ways, that isn't bad profd, I am not complaining by stating others have different opinions. Yes, the votes are few, but that doesn't matter. I didn't say the black community voted no:) I said the folk in here did. I have a question to you, why did you say the following <You didn't lose anyone nor were you voted down.> ? I didn't suggest a pesconal stake or attack and i didn't suggest anyone was dumb or unintelligent. I onyl suggested different of opinion which is totally acceptable , eve in a mock legislative situation.

even question @umbrarchist I ponder what would happen. some will assume one way or another but something like that has to be happen to be truly known @ProfD we have found the even space @Troy yes, I made the point about pension funds early. And I still wanted a simple function because to add a probability range to the functions is one of the problems. Yes, if you add probability range Z to the following A= revenue earned from the bus service in a year B= revenue lost through fare evasion in a year C= federal money to the bus service in a year D= cost of the bus service Now you add two revenue depletions E= cost of law enforcement[ facial software design and testing and implementation/updates and security to the facial recognition system<it costs money to protect electronic security systems from hackers>/ law enforcement fuel+ time of labor] F= cost of lawsuits to the city [ defense of lawsuits in a year + cost of successful lawsuits against the city and the concatenation of lawsuits upon success] G= revenue earned from facial recognition system with Z= random()*maximumprojection ; with random() being a range from 1 to 100 while maximumprojection being an arbitrary number applied into the function (A+C+G+Z)-(B+E+F) is now instead of >|~|< D [ more than OR near or equal OR less than the relationship to D is now unknown as the random() is always present. The only thing you can do is assess what the minimum random() needs to be such that with the maximumprojection then Z-(D+(B+E+F))>0 Yes such an equation can derive an exponential increase, your correct and it is more complicated , but it doesn't demand it and in my opinion in our mock legislative arena, i will vote against anything that deals with potentials financially. In my mind private business is free to take fiscal risk but governments , in my view, are foolish to be operated that way so i vote against. But what is interesting is how between the commentors in the post I lost. My way is voted down by all others so I think that is telling to at least a section of black folk in the usa's thinking.

@Pioneer1 well ok:) you went another path @umbrarchist I apologize for the poor use of words, You suggest adding an expense to a system losing money. like Troy. I still think it is an interesting choice.

@Pioneer1 haha well. problem solving is through arithmetic for me. right... this has been true for a long time, and I do comprehend how the federal government and states got into this cycle, which I will not go into but... ok. I get your position, keep the system running as it is, since it is running. I can't say people love it or like it as some of you, but I argue the issue is, no other option. Earlier this year with all the migrants coming into nyc, i saw a husband and wife side children from a country in central america, mestizos. The husband looked... angry at many things[which i comprehend], but the wife was smiling. The reported asked, how do you feel, the husband remained silent with a scowl. but the wife was clear and optimistic. The kids will have school and healthcare. Meaning, while the husband may be upset, he is in a place away from his community, his know how, living in a hotel room and needing some sort of government aid for everything and no upswing to his future prospects more than likely, the wife has embraced a similar fate but the children will have school, school food, healthcare, they will be in a city with the largest city colelgiate system in the usa and maybe the world, in a city goverment/state government/federal government that allows for individual advancement and not just through nepotism. Whatever country they came from in central america has rich mestizoes, but school isn't free, and while the rich kids have schools with bpools and ballet, the poor kids still may not have school at all. or what they get is below par. The usa school may not give much but will probably be better with computers, school food, health checkups. , school programs , after school. Even if it isn't great or good but just decent it is all free and more than what the kids will get in the central american country. The USA Wins because no other government is willing to expand services. India/china/russia/france/germany/south africa/brasil many governments have rich people [ I argue nearly all governments have rich people in them . yes some islands in the caribbean and et cetera may be absent anyone with fiscal wealth] but they don't want to expand. In china the han chinese aren't looking to embrace the ugyar. In india, the hindu and muslim kill each other daily. The Rus of russia are always fighting belitting the chechynes, the cossaks and et cetera. France has huge bastions of immigrant poverty in the banleius. Black millionaires and billionaires in south africa live in exclusive communities away from the black masses living in deserted zones outside cities, less fit than the townships. yes people in the usa, embrace low quality over nothing, yes. and outside the usa, it is a simpler truth, the powerful are just that and the poor don't have the willingness to go to war. The poor going to war sounds easy but requires more than just poverty, it requires a commitment by a set of the poor to be in this thing till the end and that is what gets most countries poor. Remember the arab spring? having one march isn't enough. Black people DOSers specifically marched/rioted/picketed/ voted for a hundred years to go from the end of the war between the states + the annihilation of black elected official representation + the beginning of jim crow to the civil rights act + the return of black elected representatives in all levels of government in the usa +the beginning of the growth of black financial aristocracy at a unheard of level to 2024 aka modernity. But many black dos leaders were killed, burned alive, . it wasn't one march. and there was always another black person to take up the fight. That is where so many poor peoples in other countries fall short. The arab spring was a march but then did those people try to get elected? no, riot? no. picketed? no. have leaders to constantly speak on the ills and demand change ? no . so... Changing the makeup of a country tends to be a bloody thing. that is why the war between the states happened. Not everything can be settled through voting or marching, many black people, DOSers took up arms, even though they lost from 1865 to 1965. and many countries poor don't seem to comprehend the resistance may not be called a war at times but sometimes you have to pick up weapons and that is war, even if people don't call it that. War isn't just armies behind flags. And many prefer to avoid or evade war which ... can not always be. yeah well, complete your statement, any elected official that supports doing what you say publicly or in policy will not be in government long. I comprehend your position but i wish people would add, and the elected official is out of government, the former representative of harlem supported palestine and both parties in NYC excommunicadoed here. And it was done quickly and cruelly. She didn't blow anybody up. she simply supported palestine and called israel terorrist, which is the truth but as an elected official in nyc, that is a statment that gets you kicked out the government. the yellow cabs never forgave lindsey for the gypsy cabs, and the nypd never forgave lindsey for the knapp commission or the call for restraint on the grieving black community. I comprehend your point but please say it all. I think too many people in the usa, make it seem like the action doesn't come with a penalty and thus looking at the body of elected officials in the usa, it is clear why none of them will, they are not the kind of people to do things that risk their revenue potential later.

Interesting @umbrarchist you want to add expenses to a system losing money, like Troy. A= revenue earned from the bus service in a year B= revenue lost through fare evasion in a year C= federal money to the bus service in a year D= cost of the bus service Now you add two revenue depletions E= cost of law enforcement[ facial software design and testing and implementation/updates and security to the facial recognition system<it costs money to protect electronic security systems from hackers>/ law enforcement fuel+ time of labor] F= cost of lawsuits to the city [ defense of lawsuits in a year + cost of successful lawsuits against the city and the concatenation of lawsuits upon success] G= revenue earned from facial recognition system (A+C+G)-(B+E+F) is >|~|< D [ more than OR near or equal OR less than ] Who knows the truth, you nor i nor any in the group know anything but one of the three options is true. The big problem I have with your suggestion is the financial bomb of F. any facial recognition software will be lawsuited, and if any of those lawsuits win, the city will have potentially millions of lawsuits. It is a very risky gamble. Every year facial recognition software is contested in court So, in the fake city council. the MTA says it loses over three hundred million dollars in fare evasion @richardmurray says, streamline the service, assess the statistics and cut any bus line that has a percentage of fare evasion over 10% of its potential revenue earning @Troy + @umbrarchist say add an expense, each in their own way, to the system to gain the lost revenue @ProfD says to increase the fare @Pioneer1 says maintain the status quo so the largest votes go to use funds to increase the law enforcement.. interesting the collective in aalbc, I hope more members give their suggestion

well @Pioneer1 it isn't free, it is debt. The reason isn't people are lying, the reason is the debt is what is bought by china and other countries. The reason the debt can't be called in is the usa has the most powerful military in modern humanity. At the end of the day, if the us military [army/navy/air force/marines/seals/fbi/cia/nsa/blackwater/et cetera ]owes you millions of dollars, how can you get it from them? And your correct they are getting federal aid, every year. as are many other municipal programs which adds to the debt. BUT, the MTA said they are losing money so A= the revenue from the federal government last year B= the revenue from the bus last year C= the revenue lost from fare evasion of the bus last year D= the cost of running nyc's bus system [ labor/repair/fuel/union packages] One of the following is true (A+B)-C>D (A+B)-C~D i use the tilde sign to represent near equal by some negligible factor or equal (A+B)-c<D If (A+B)-C>D then that goes to your position Pioneer, for you don't suggest any changes, so by suggesting nothing you suggest maintaining the status quo which is what the simple function articulates. But I argue that using federal funds for the municipal service is financially dysfunctional because it demands a reliance on external funds outside the city' control thus is financially irresponsible. if B-C!>D then in my view, my position should be followed, regardless of whatever federal money is derived. What say you? @Troy I don't know which is the propositions above is true but if (A+B)-C>D then is your position to add an expense in the form of law enforcement still maintained by you? (A+B+[Gained fares by added expense of law enforcement])-(C+[expense of enforcement to eliminate lost fares] is >|~|< D I don't know which will be true but I wonder your thoughts. @ProfD Do you concur that the payment for the mta comes through federal money, regardless of the source of such funds? I say the funds is the debt that is bought per year by many countries including, japan who have the most, and china who i think are next and are used as tradeable commodities, which I find financially dubious. to trade in unpaid debt is unwise sooner or later. But regardless of how the federal government gets the money, or which of the three propositions are correct above, which of them will you still want to raise fare rates if any? I will show them again here (A+B)-C>D (A+B)-C~D i use the tilde sign to represent near equal by some negligible factor or equal (A+B)-c<D

@ProfD Your initial proposition is important. If The MTA can run absent the money it is losing, that is important. No one in this group has the ability to prove or disprove such things. But the important part of your initial idea, is it is either true or not true. If it is not true, then that goes into other paths. But if it is true, which is what the second part follows. I argue, the best solution is to break up the cost of the system into a quarterly or monthly or weekly basis, or some temporal cycle that has a paying and free internal period based on the revenue needed to be earned in the cycle to reach the yearly sum needed to thrive. You say the mta know how to manage the bottom line? I don't know there books, neither do you or any in this group. I don't know why people assume a place is being managed well absent any proof. But I think the city council or mayoralty or elected officials in nyc should be considering all our different strategies. I know they are not, but that is the point for me. Another way to bring quality discourse into aalbc.

Well, ok Cost of the NYC bus system' = [energy for vehicles<gas + electrical input>/vehicle repair <wheels/electrical /metalwork>/labor<bus drivers/repair people /retirement packages>] Now, @Troy you say the problem is enforcement. well, that means an added expense of law enforcement, so Cost of the NYC bus system'' = Cost of the NYC bus system' + Law enforcement [cost of labor + retirement packages/union packages/guns/clothing/lawsuits from criminal behavior from law enforcers] Now @ProfD ask hwo can the mta afford, well again the usa adds debt to itself yearly, that is what the debt is for. No country can call it in for th eusa military but the debt usa gains per year pays for itself. But, regardless of how the mta or other municipal elements pay for themselves, one of the following is true. 1) the mta isn't paying for itself and is being financed through a debt system 2) the mta system can pay for itself while run with such fare evasion One of the two have to be true. No other options exist. If the first is true then that goes back to my original policy position, cut the service and focus on the bus routes that have the least fair evasion. And this isn't a grand thing for all municipal services in nyc were originally only for a small section of the city. The Subway, the bus , were all expanded over the years, but were originally inteded only for the wealthiest residents who could pay for it. if the second is true then the answer isnt raising the fare but making a financial cycle, such that at the beginning of each cycle, the fare exists and once a certain level of revenue is earned the system makes the service totally free until the next cycle begins. Profd your position is arithmetically dysfunctional, if A= revenue needed to run the bus system B= revenue earned with the current quality of fare evasion C=revenue earned with greater fares. If B>=A then B+C isn't needed to reach a value >=A Your foundational opinion about the cost of the system doesn't warrant your strategy of increased fare. Troy your positions great flaw is the issue is cost of service, adding law enforcement to enforce the law is an added cost and can not guarantee it will be effective. Even if you want some sort of electronic system that system will cost money to design and to install so again, everything your suggesting goes against saving money. And, adds the bureaucratic problem of time. A mayor only has four years. Making nay plans that extend past four years is how municipal works get uddied in the agenda and views of multiple mayors which adds more money to the cost.

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