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I define black americans in this post as black people from canada to argentina whose forebears were mostly enslaved in the usa from the 1500s to 1800s. Very specific so no not, black people from africa or asia as free immigrants today. Now I realize i am very late with this question. But I know that the black populaces of guyana/suriname/french guiana/brazil/venezuela/ecuador all have carnavals. And the black populace of north america has mardi gras. The black communities in haiti/martinique/trinidad all have carnavals. so, while the black american populace has internal difference in language[english , french , portuguese]/religion[traditional/catholic/protestant]/governance [like marooons in northern south america who live on essentially reservations from a usa legal position]/lifestyle[country folk like in dominica, heavily urbanized as in the usa] Nothing binds the continental black american populace heritage wise except Carnaval. I don't have proof but am I wrong?

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@Pioneer1 well remember, one thing, the term excommunicado has become more used today for a certain film series but the term for most of the last five centuries was used for those deemed incorrect by christian churches. People who in my view, committed no crime nor warranted the status. And this is what the gnostic movement was originally about. It's earliest incarnation was about the ability to think freely. This is why in china, and parts around in asia, people from the european phsilosophical structure, have problems or think their philosophies are hard. They are not. the problem is that in the white european controlled part of humanity, being enslaved to a set of thinking is considered common. But in that part of white asian controlled part of humanity, someone can be a follower of a branch of taoism + a branch of confucianism + a branch of christianity and it is acceptable. As I say in this very online community, the history of the black populace in the usa is full of various philosophies. All black people want black betterment but they do not fit into one philosophical box and black people who can't accept that are true problems in the populace. The fear tactics primary goal is to get a one mindedness which I find funny people argue against religion for when when one mindedness is sought by more than religious groups, scholarly groups like colleges or universities do it I aruge more than religions, especially in the usa, , governmental groups like parties of governance do it most bluntly or crudely. cultural groups like the black panthers or kkk or naacp do it most dysfunctionally. To be blunt, when someone in the usa uses the word "We" referring to all people in the usa, that is the same one mindedness littered in christian/muslim/jewish/many religions or spiritualities [they are not the same]history. Who is we in the usa? I heard native americans say they are not american. Are they wrong? Who is we? Were the black people who left the usa in relatively large groups in the past wrong? who is we? Does this mean a native american who is currently in elected office in the house is wrong to say they are a proud american? no. but the native american isn't wrong either. Both can be right. And that is the open mindedness that is lacking in the usa or greater whit eeuropean led part of humanity, but that makes sense cause said part main defining point is slavery. The person excommunicated from a christian church is usually an individual. Who is we? Yes, Pioneer, it is more who wants to be alone. Loneliness is a powerful negative. Nobody wants to be completely alone. When you have people speaking for everyone in the group, when black individuals speak for all black people and say all black people in the usa are american, when the wealthy white suburban woman speaks for all woman and says every woman wants the right to choose, when a Christian says all Christians obey some law set, they are speaking the same language. If you don't do this then you are not in this group, you are alone. And because of the past, many people were raised supporting this boxed mindset. And again, most humans don't want to be alone, more than any conscious tugging.

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@Pioneer1 well when I say black or white or mulatto I am not speaking of a geographic distinction. I am speaking of a phenotypical range of skin. not chracter, not age or anything but skin. So, white latinos/white muslims/white women/white asians/yes white africans <I have seen some in africa and not the damn white europeans like theron in south africa>/yes white europeans all exist in a shade of skin. White asians generally are in china/korea/japan/northern india now who are the black asians . southern india/parts of malaysia/indonesia/phillipines/australia/new guinea. The indegenous people from indonesia south to australia are all black. And yes, like many north africans like many latinos in the caribbean , many in south asia are mulatto for obvious reasons. It is well known that chinese long before the white european imperial age went into south asa and interbreeded. Just like white europeans interbreeded into north africa for so long that the mulatto is the most common so in south asia. Now I want to say, this is my view. I ask none to embrace it. I am not a preacher nor do i like proselytizing. I am jsut stating how i see things in this public black forum

@ProfD Well, in your opinion it is mutually beneficial. I can easily argue the usa's manipulations and guidance of Japan+r israel are only beneficial to the usa. But the reason white jews or japanese are mentioned is because of what the usa government gave them. But my point is that the black DOS populace which is over 40 million people is of an uncomparable scale to the white jew who is 8 million or the japanese in the usa who are a million. I will restate , if the Black DOS populace was 8 million like the white jew or one million like the japanese I think profd you will see an entirely positive financial community that already received reparations suitable to your desires. But, a whole lot more DOSers exist in the usa than 8 million or 1 million. More people in any populace mean consensus is harder in that populace, and consensus is necessary when a communal goal like reparations is in the works. And I end with , you have stated you have a view of the usa far more positive than me. so that creates variances in how we see the road of black people in the usa or the relationship of black people in the usa to its federal government or its whites. But, the oldest heritage for black people in the usa is internal disunity concerning the usa. I repeat most free blacks fought against the government you think so highly of to be born. I think the black populace in the sua has always had alot of internal variance or little consensus concerning the usa.

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@ProfD well, i guessed right and concerning the usa we differ on a large level.

@ProfD remember, ISrael + japan serve a militaristic purpose for the usa. That is the reason the usa made israel, and yes, the usa made israel not the white jews, and why the usa continue to finance israel,the first base for the usa in the oil rich area called the middle east, and the usa funded japan only to stop russia from winning japan which was bound to happen unless the usa's money stepped in and then later as an agent for east asia which has military rivals: china+ russia.

@Pioneer1 well at its heart i think that is what gnosticism is. Gnosticism is an interpretation of christianity. In the same way sufi is an interpretation of islam. Now in defense most religious interpretations in the usa tend to be orthodox meaning the right way which means inflexible, and to your point.

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thank you @ProfD good point, the usa government did give something. I think it was easier by scale again. If the usa is over 300 million then one percent is 3 million at the short end, and white jews represent less than 3% of the populace today, far less in the 1900s. The black populace in the usa has always been in the 30% range with a much longer list of grievances than white jews or the japanese. Your 100% correct the federal government gave something. But I think it is more doable. I think this is why reparations for native americans like Blacks, is also a higher challenge than for white jews or japanese. Question does the british government owe reparations to DOS for the time before the USA's founding? IN AMENDMENT DO you think alot of the usa federal government? When I mean alot i mean, you think it is very powerful? I know it may sound silly to ask this as I know the usa militaristic power. No other government in humanity has a more powerful army, which to me is real power, not money. But, your prose made me wonder, if you see the usa federal government as stronger than I do.

@ProfD well, let's be scaled, two reasons why White Jews have maintained a communal structure in their populace in the usa are the elephants in the room about the black populace in the usa. 1st and for me most important. The white jewish populace is small. Remember white jews are significantly smaller than white christian italians/white chrsitian germans/white crhsitian irish/white christian russians even. Not to mention white asians, white latinos. White jews are one of the smallest populaces which is why they have aneasier time growing. Guess what group makes up the majority of poor white trahs. it is White christian germans. German americans are circa 50 million english americans are circa 50 million, italian americans are circa 18 million, white jews are circa 8 million so 10% of german americans and less than 10% of the white populace as a whole. very small. Black Americans are circa 50 million so it is even to compare black americans to white christian germans not white jews. Comparing populaces of extremely different size is not balanced. I think a better comparison to white jews is not blacks but black elephants/republicans. Both white jews or black republicans are an extreme minority in the white or black populace respectively and i think black republicans tend to have a very high financial footprint in comparison to the larger black populace in the same way white jews have in comparison to the larger white populace. So population matters and being small is advantageous in the usa. Japanese americans i argue are the most financially able of asian americans but again, are one of the smallest populaces of asian americans. the hordes of poor chinese will never be rich and will never close the gap to give chinese americans the same financial footprint as japanese americans. The cuban american populace doesn't even represent a tenth of the mexican. so again, the financial footprint is always going to be better for cubans than mexicans. Quantity matters. So when the purple gang was the most profitable gang during prohibition , running out of detroit which borders canada that never illegalized drink, that money went into a very small populace of the usa, that being white jews. SoI end this point with a more even comparison. Black republicans relationship to the larger black populace is equivalent to the populace of white jews to the white populace. 2nd and the white jewish community in nyc is the proof of what i am about to say. The control + infuence of the religious orthodox white jewish tribe in the white jewish community is unlike any other tribe in another populace. white German americans don't dictate to all white americans. Chinese don't dictate to all asian americans. Mexicans don't dictate to all latino american americans. White women don't dictate to all female americans. But the orthodox jewish tribe in the white jewish community have large and I argue dominating influence on liberal jews or other jewish tribes. I will be blunt, the orthodox religious white jewish community in nyc is able to be supported enough by jews who even oppose them to get away with abusing other jews. The black christian community used to have a similar role in the black populace which made a communal structure, but the black christian tribe failed the larger black populace and thus its influence waned. But it isn't that black elected officials have bought into the system. It was always their goal. It isn't buying into. It is what they feel is best. Remember, Frederick DOuglass is the father of black elected officials in the usa, nearly all of them took their cues from him. I quote @Troy to explain. Troy didn't say what I will say, the white criminal justice system, he said the criminal justice system. That wordage goes back to Frederick Douglass who believed in the usa. He believed the usa was for all the people in it regardless of their individual or communal relationship. Douglass believe the sysem in the usa is for all in it. I don't concur to douglass but i comprehend that is his position and black elected representatives from the south carolina legislative majority to obama side eric adams are usually in Douglass philosophical sphere. They don't make policy for black people or feel an obligation to a black agenda, they are for the usa in its entirety. The goal is to be aracial, to have all populaces integrated from their policies. and to your point @Pioneer1 the black republicans are the oldest black elected representative class and they have never deemed themselves as sellouts even though their planning didn't protect black people before or during jim crow. They do look out for themselves individually which is what nearly all elected representatives do. If poor whites in the usa had representatives geared to them today would not be today in the usa. You mention logic but I argue it is heritage. The goal is the key. As Black people in this very online community show, we all want better for black people but the variances is in the details of the goals which are not the same , the heritages we honor which are not the same. The heritages the black republicans honor isn't nat turner's black militanism or exodusters segregation or marcus garvey nationalism, they honor frederick douglass's integration which at its core is black betterment as part of a multiracial whole, sequentially rejecting black above the non black or black centric positions.

@Pioneer1 We both know, gardless of who likes it, The federal government of the usa today can take the lead. Said federal government has the resources. The problem is the complexities of reparations make it , like immigration in all earnest, a hard policy to see through. The federal government of the usa was never designed to be the force of power in the usa that i think many blacks want it to be. The constitution clearly sees the federal government as primarily a protector of the states, but not a guide to the states, and that legal reality makes it hard. Interesting how you speak of the black populace in the usa, making a deal with each state after the federal government's move. the black populace in the usa isn't a community.

@Pioneer1good points, i think many groups in the gnostic movement, the original and the second thought as you do, they didn't feel logical thinking was areligious .

@ProfD you succeeded in being provocative and this fish took the bait like a shark to a bloody piece of meat.

@ProfD your title is incorrect. California has not provided reparations. The Black Caucus of California in suggesting bills to be made into laws has not placed money in them. @Pioneer1 I am no lawyer but I oppose your position on states. States do not have the money that their actions in the past garnered from black people in them, in the past. But, States do owe reparations to the black populaces in them. I can use New York State easily. The federal government never legalized slavery, never. and the usa is a federal system which means that which the federal government doesn't put into law is states providence and all states old enough enacted slavery laws. the 1799 law of ny state.So I argue states role in enslavement is larger because the federal government never made slavery legal. And your position on federalism is misplaced. Modern USA is a federalist but before the war between the states, 1865, the usa was more a collection of states than a strong federal goverment. Remember the reason why the confederacy had advantages in the beginning was how small + unprepared+ impotent the federal army was. I asked all members in this group about federalism and only one answered.. https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/10616-black-federalism-in-the-usa/ You like so many blacks in the usa are federalist. But the usa wasn't built that way and modern federalism was non existent in any form before the 1900s. And the reason being that the states didn't want the federal government that powerful but the war between the states was a watershed moment for federalism. @Troy + all others I have in my posts below a reasoning for black elected officials disinterest in giving money. The black family that black elected officials + black communal advocates fought for, in the end, sold all the land back to whites. Were they free to ? yes. But the advocate flat out admitted he was unhappy with the black clan for that and I think that goes into the black elected representatives bills or proposals. But as I asked in this very online community , many times, Do you realize your view of reparations isn't the same as another black person. The problem is one that transcends all issues with the black populace in the usa. The problem is destination. Most Black people, yes including clarence thomas, want a better black populace, a stronger black community, their black individual life bettered. BUT, but the problem is the consensus from the black populace in the usa to what the destination is , is not the same in vital ways, in ways that make planning very difficult. If you have three black people and they have to make a plan on reparations and one say, black people in the usa don't need reparations (which millions of black peopel say) one say, black people need money to leave the usa(which millions of black people say) one say, black people need government programs with no money (which millions of black people say) what plan can be made between the three? The answer is none. My point is the answer is for black groups in florida to be given a choice. The federalism desire by some blacks suggests plans that are bound to fail because they assume a universalism in the black populace in the usa that has never existed. I repeat most free black when the usa was founded fought against the USA's creation. Does anybody black living today not realize what that means. Many black people today still despise the usa, they don't want to be part of the place. I didn't say all, I didn't say all, but many, and many meaning millions. The answer to everything is in parts. To that what does the black populace of AALBC want with AALBC, what do we want to see with this website in the future. EXAMPLES OF MODERN REPEARATIONS- read them all top to bottom to get the temporal flow Black leaders and reparations https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/10327-most-black-leaders-didnt-advocate-for-reparations-even-though-most-black-people-wanted-and-that-made-the-usa-but-it-came-with-a-negative-price-for-black-people/ San Francisco Reparations Round one https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2216&type=status Round two https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/10155-san-francisco-reparations-round-three/ Round three https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/10148-san-francisco-reparations-another-round/data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP///wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw== The Bruce Family and Reparations https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/9989-congratulations-to-the-bruce-family-of-california-who-can-now-begin-reparations I quote the following post in bold After her work getting the Bruces their land back, this is not the outcome community activist Kavon Ward wanted. Kavon Ward: I wanted to see strong, young Black entrepreneurs like Charles and Willa Bruce take up space here and be able to build and develop here, like the Bruces once we're able to do. Community is what got the land back. So, yes, the family won, but the community did not. https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2349&type=status In conclusion https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1738&type=status

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I am glad I can say in my lifetime i saw none of the above win, cause many people chide that as a false option and i don't think it is. https://news.yahoo.com/nevada-hold-presidential-primaries-caucuses-050306654.html NONE OF THE ABOVE! Now the communal question is why are so many black people opposed to the concept of none of the above?

Thanks for accepting my viewing on Edelweiss I made a review but it needs to be refined before getting on aalbc. Sorry it wasn't ready before the book came out.

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exactly @Chevdove the issue is because all peoples, individuals or groups, want to make the culture of tomorrow reflecting their own culture. Which in a multiracial populace like the usa creates natural friction.

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