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That question was actually for @Pioneer1 I'd imagine some "secrets" are on the net, but since I'm not Greek, I have no way of knowing what is accurate and what is not, so I never bothered to look. Again, I'm interested in the deeper explanation.

@Delano like vacillating between being a Vulcan or Klingon, well sort of Perhaps. But there are enough people who are life long learners who are open to new ideas and experiences i’m willing to question what they think they know. It sounds like you’re questioning humanity. If you are, have faith, my brother

Well in today’s world wise men really need to speak more. Lunatics are getting all the attention.

I thought it was a pretty straightforward metaphor meaning going through the pledge and eventually crossing. If there is some deeper, meaning, please do share it. @aka Contrarian you are one of a kind LOL!

the answer is no. People have taken his writings and attempted to make them fit things after the fact. Maybe they should’ve been prevented from attending the funeral if it’s that serious.

I fail to see the distinction the crusades, for example, would not have taken place where not for religion. in war, there are always innocent casualties. What’s going on in Gaza appears to be on par with genocide. It is difficult to justify the scale of destruction and loss of innocent life. I honestly don’t know what Maher is on the scale of innocent casualties. I don’t think he’s calling for genocide… but I thought we were talking about him being a racist. ROTFLMBAO! You damn right! I heard stories about Men getting caught out there, but I’ve never heard one about a woman. I don’t know, but I don’t think the average woman would find it funny if she found herself in bed with someone she thought was a dude but turned out to be a woman.

Well man that is true. It is true in the same way Christianity was used to radicalize the Klan, justify the enslavement of Black people, etc. When you say "they" are you talking about terrorists or regular Muslims? I'm pretty sure terrorists are against all infidels. When they start blowing shit up and killing innocents he absolutely would. That I'm confident about. You are just conjured up a provocative statement and attributed to someone without cause. I'm surprised by that and there were no so I gather you are serious. What I mean is that you clown the alphabet community, like Maher does, and there are those who would easily take offense construe that clowning as demonization. I still fail to see how any of this justifies you so confidently labeling Maher a racist. Sure, he is a rich, white, male, atheist, who enjoys all the benefits and privileges bestowed upon these people including being invited to chop it up with the President at the Whitehouse -- a man who he regularly clowned and demonized. Let see if Bill Maher back off the clowning and critic of Trump now that they have had an opportunity to bond and luxuriate together in their rich white male privilege.

just because Minister Farrakhan is not appeared on his show doesn’t mean he’s a racist. besides, Farrakhan would not be an ideal guest for the Bill Maher show over they talk about? Bill doesn’t believe in his religion indeed, Bill is anti-religion. Tiffany is entitled to her opinion she says she doesn’t watch the show so she probably doesn’t know that he has Black people on the show conservatives and liberals. Sure most of the guests are white. I don’t always agree with Bill and as I said before, I think he’s an elitist and has an attitude to match. Despite that I often find his guests interesting and his program funny enough to catch every episode. Islam is a religion not a race. He made a whole movie ridiculing Christians. Doesn’t make him a racist in my book just anti-religion. Of course they are. I suspect I would too if I was in that position if I was being perfectly honest. Putting in the work to dismantle white racism is being anti-racist. Which is a big ask. Shoot, most Black people aren’t anti-racist. Most of us are just trying to survive. Let alone trying to dismantle a racist society. Personally, I try to do my bit with the books and this website, but trust me it’s a daily battle, this is definitely not for everyone. I don’t think he demonizes Muslims in general, not any more than he demonizes Christians. Of course, he was critical of Oct 7. Prof D some of your commentary here on these forums comes across similar to what Maher says particularly when you talking about the alphabet community

Wow.

The reason I pushed back is because the implication is that if you are not the alpha male you are less than a man. This is illustrated by Peterson's quote;" "Beta male! See....the only reason you would make a statement like that is because you a beta male and ya mama didn't raise you right;" With this mentality combined with the ready availability of guns you have young boys believing they are Alphas ("real" men), because they can easily take a life by shooting someone. Same with impregnating women...

Perhaps, but I’ve been listening to a show long enough to not see him as a racist. I have no idea what’s in the man’s heart and neither do you.

oh, I’m Mr. double entendre OK I I agree that conversation will have zero effect… based upon my partial, listening of the video I’m actually glad pioneer brought up colorism. It is offensive, but it is an issue. I have to admit it occurred to me when I was looking at the video, but of course I’m a product of America, but I know that settlement I need to reject again. I’m glad Pioneer mentioned it because it is real impacts how people perceive that video. Think about how that brother sang that song against Drake saying you ain’t like us.

I completely disagree. sure there are some men are like this, and there are many other men who are by nature meant to be artists or griots or nurturers. the proof of this is the number of men who don’t fit the role described. It is simply impossible for every male to be an alpha male if that were truly term would be unnecessary man by nature, alpha, beta, gamma, Delta and the rest of the alphabet. When I was in Tanzania, I met people of the Masai. There were classic Warriors who why the hair braided braid (the way girls do hear ) There will also men with shaved heads who played a different role. I wanna say education, but I don’t remember because I was more curious about the Warriors who had to kill a lion to prove their ability to kill a warrior at any rate, that description of manhood is a Western construct and unnecessarily limiting in what manhood should be.

I don't think Maher is a racist. It is not clear to me what evidence you have to support that. He is definitely a "heathen" comedian. I'd group him in with Trump in so far as they are both wealthy, renown, white men who enjoy all the benefits bestowed upon them by a country founded on white racism, patriarchy, and classism.

Is that really your take-away from the presentation. I did not listen to the entire thing, but it seems to me you have two men who seem truly committed to serving the people. Religion clearly was a big part of their lives and motivation.

What about people who have 20/10 vision, who can see thing people with 20/20 can't. How about eagles who can see thing now human can see? No problem I can admit when I'm wrong -- You can't learn otherwise. AGAIN we are not talking about liars or people trying to deceive -- set that aside. Why can't you just admit that your personal observation are worthless when compared to data collected in a poll and certainly a census? This should be obvious...

I read both articles. The Euronews site seems completely unreputable based upon the types of ads it served alone, but seemed to be the best coverage even stating that scholar question the validity of the document. The second website came across more serious (no ads at all), but article didn't even question the prophesy. History tells us there has never been any shortage of end of the world predictions. We do know the world will end, at some point. The best estimates are that this is a few billion years from now. @Pioneer1 what you your personal observations tell you when the world will end?

I remember telling someone a couple of year back (maybe I posted it here) that I look better than Denzel Washington. Now that is a purely subjective opinion, but it’s arguable and I don’t have access to all the remediation that rich people do. It seems to me that people do, or can age overnight, but I think in Washington’s case as in most celebrities, we see them in movies in which they were younger and made up to look much better CGI, AI, Photoshop, and then we see them in person or in a current interview and the differences can be stark. have you observed that people age overnight or age gradually was it just a mixed bag?

Who prophesied that one?

Yes, “accurate” is how we define it. The works we observe is simply hire we are capable of perceiving it. Oh, I thought it was about personal observations versus statistics. You’re arguing that personal observations, anecdotes, are better than the days collected from polls and the like. What did I miss? Polls are not just for collecting opinions. Polls collect factual information like age income, etc. But I was incorrect too. A poll is an estimate by sampling a subset of people. Our census is an attempt to collect data from everyone. This does not change my point, however polls and the census both are more valuable than anyone’s personal observations — indeed that is why they are conducted. I have too

That is one of the disciplines that studies the human brain and how it can be tricked, we are tricked every single day. Sometimes it’s deliberate and malicious other times was just the way it is. Accurate sight, that is purely a human construct. Different animals can see different wave lengths of light. The differences are just differences accurate is your construct. Going back to the image I shared you look directly at it and see two different colors, even by your own definition of accurate you perceive colors differently uncertain conditions — when you think that you don’t. You’re conflating things and muddling the argument. Of course statistical data can be misinterpreted or patterns can be over looked or seen when none exist, but we’re not talking about that…. Obviously. Haven’t you ever filled out the census? If so, you know they ask a variety of questions. . well, as high praise coming from you.

The average person, in this country, is more well off today than they were 100 ago. Perhaps in any time before in this country. Again, you can't rely on your personal observations you can read books about the subject. Again, I can read about it -- I don't have to see it. But I have travelled all over this country and a lot of the world... There are millions of people locked up. It is better than being enslaved. I'm not sure why you are so down on Americans not making it relative to the past. What do you mean by "not making it." Do you mean not living the lifestyles you see on social media (with a huge house, multiple cars, a fine subservient wife, smart athletic kids, exotic vacations, huge bank account, good looks, health... No one has all of that man

OH CONTRARE! Marketers use all sorts of tactics to trick, indeed hack, into our minds to manipulate us into engaging into specific behaviors and beliefs. This is old news. It is why I generally avoid social media. People swear they are immune to this, so are resistant to the truth (back to Del's point). The first time I saw the image I could not believe what I was told. I had to print the image cut out the squares only to see they were exactly the same color (I don't know what you mean by "center"). As humans we cannot avoid being tricked by the images or social media. the problem with social media is that the company's are not divulging how they screw with us. The good thing for them is that most people think they can't be manipulated. What?! Man, if you don't know we can't have a conversation on this subject SMH LOL!

Yeah... pain in the butt. I'm at their mercy... the master's tools....

Sacrilege! Y’all all going to hell. Lord, forgive them for they know not what they do As you know, there are people who would react this way. I often wonder why some people are like that and others are not. I’m sure genetics has a lot to do with it but the environment and how you are reared obviously plays a role too.