Troy

Del it strikes you as odd because you are being unnecessarily closed minded. Dude, the abolitionists, fighting to free the slaves were virtually all white people. John Brown gave his life for the cause. Enslaved Black people were not in a position to advocate for themselves. as free white people. Does this not make sense to you? Also you dont you read some of the literature regarding men an feminism. First you'll discover the dictionary definitions, you often site, don't shed any understanding on a subject.

My response was not that long... was it too long for you to read? The answer to both questions is no. My response was an attempt to elaborate on why the questions are irrelevant to the discussion at hand. @Delano, you like to make these debates about me specifically. I'm not purporting to be the appropriate spokesperson for women or feminism -- any more than I can personally provide climate change, the lack of a genetic basis for race, or any of the things that we all take for granted as being true. 1 - You believe that no man can be a feminist. 2 - You believe white people can advocate for Black people. You don't see the contradiction between #1 and #2.

That would pretty much be anyone with a smart phone. Even tbe senior citizen with all those plastic rewards card attached to their keyring. It is hard not to freely share your information.

Del, it does not have to be me that speaks for, or advocates for, women. It's not about you or me it's about the general case of excluding any man from the conversation. Surely you must realize there are men out there who would be great warriors for women's rights. There are men who fought for a women's right to vote even when women wouldn't. Some women didn't want the right to vote felt it was a man's job. Indeed, there are women who still feel that way today. There are men right now who are fighting for women's right to choose. And there are women who are fighting to stop all women from having an abortion. Again just because you have a penis does it make you ineligible to understand or fight for rights for women. This seems obvious to me and I'm not even sure why you're debating it with me. Of course there are ultra-feminists that would agree with your position and probably would eliminate all men if it were biologically possible for them to procreate without us but again they are the extreme. Again it's like saying you don't want white people creating cartoons, like the one you shared, advocating for black people because they are not black. Naturally there are the Uber-Black folks who don't want white folks advocating for them. But they too are extreme, in the minority, and unnecessarily narrow minded.

Very well presented. I'm curious why you discontinued the magazine. Speaking of magazines do you think Jet Magazine's business model was no longer viable? Please email troy@aalbc.com a head shot. Do you have a website? Post the link. I'm not sure I get your poem. I understand how pearls are formed in nature. But obviously this is a metaphor for something else. Is it a woman living with the man who is overprotective?

Thank you kalexander good luck to both you and Del for more reasons than the 50 bucks. Pence is not part of the bet, nor is 45 not finishing his term because of death from whatever cause.

This cartoon illustrates my point perfectly @Delano The cartoon is brilliant, communicating the hypocrisy dramatically. The cartoonist Drew Sheneman is a white guy. His insight is on point and communicated in a manner that I and I suspect most other Black people would be unable to. Saying Drew can;t be part of the conversation because his white, I again is limiting. I'm glad you shared this cartoon, because you clearly understand and agree with what I'm saying, even if you are not prepared to admit it now. "It's a Black thing, but a white man can understand."

Yes of course the prison industrial complex will be an alternative for some. Of course there is genocide too. Not the kind of genocide where you herd people into ovens, but you gun them down for minor infractions, provide poor medical service, pollute the water supply, and limit access to fresh produce, while making processed food a cigarettes widely available. Has anyone ever asked why so many Black women are obese and why we just accept diabetes and hypertension as just a fact of life?

OK I have $100 on the line. $50 to @Kalexander2 and $50 to @Delano Gentlemen, I admire and somewhat envy your faith in the wheels of justice. I hope when you lose you don't become too jaded.

Wait, what? I have a another live one @Kalexander2, the bet is 45 will not finish the year (December 31st 2018) as president. Shoot the midterms are in November -- I'll give you until the end of the year. Bet? I may need to find a way to hold these bets in escrow. @Delano, to be crystal; we are not talking about some Clinton type impeachment (which won't happen either). We are talking about 45 being out of office and Pence is now president before end end of the year, right?

If the rents are tripled in the projects I don't know what they are going to do with all the people who live there now. In New York City there are no viable alternative for people living in federally subsidized housing. We need more projects not less in places like New York, the capitalist system is not working for great numbers of people. The schools in these communities were gutted generations ago. White people, and even some middle class Black folks, in Harlem just want to projects leveled and don't care what happens to the people. I dunno, maybe we can just put them on a reservation somewhere, out of the way, like some desert in Arizona. Or maybe send them back to Africa...

Bill Cosby is now a convicted felon. Up next Harvey Weinstein on deck Tom Brokaw. Seriously, does anyone thing any of these rich white does will feel the weight of the criminal justice system? You will the system used the "Just-Us" system as always.

So @Delano, do the female feminists have a right to fight against the clothing some muslim women wear? Being narrow minded is not an option that I would ever choose. My default position is not one of understanding, but of one trying to learn. We are all unique -- even women are not a monolith and given the same information we will conclude different things -- not even all women will agree. I believe the best decisions do not come from individuals but through the senthesis of our collective wisdom. Of course I understand the reality is that sharing your wisdom rarely happens, because it is hard. Plus there are people, like you, who don't even believe it should be done. Then there are people who fight against this for reasons of power and control.

Alright! That's what's up! , This is win-win for me cause i'd pay to see that guy with the weird hairdo get the boot. Plus in the extremely unlikely event that you win @Delano, not only will you get $50 I'll never question your astrological prowess gansta

@Kalexander2, the photo is actually of the James Weldon Johnson Housing Projects in Harlem in New York City 🙂 (or simply "Johnson," as we used to call the place) Chicago and NY have a lot of similarities, so I could see why the image may be confusing. Plus Johnson is much older than Taylor or Cabrini, it was built in the 40's. The projects are, really, the only affordable options available. which is why many residents stay for generations. They are also afraid the city is trying to get rid of they, but not maintaining the apartments very well.

I remember this flick, and it is hard to image it is 40 years old. The first time I went to Chicago I had to visit the Cabrini-Green housing projects. I enjoyed the film because it was shot in the projects. Like Claudine that came before it, which was filmed in Harlem, it showed a side of life that really was not shown in the movies before that time. I grew up in the projects. Mine were taller, more like Robert Taylor houses on Chicago's south side. The projects I grew up in are still standing. Some of the families have been there for generations. Like the guy in the interview above says we had fun growing up --despite the crime, violence, drugs and poverty. In the middle of this photo is an elevated train which I hates because if you are on the phone or watching TV you simply can't hear until the train goes by. The read arrow shows my window. The train is Park Avenue. Yes "the" park avenue. Just one mile south a 20 minute walk is some of the most expensive real estate in the country. We used to call that real "white boy" terrority. Some of the more brazen thugs from my neighborhood would go down there to rob the kids. Many years later when I had kids of my own, I sent them to school in "white boy territory," and I had occasion to visit some of the homes of their classmates. I'm glad I did not do this when I was a kid. I'm not sure I how I would have handled the disparity...

Don't be too hard on Kanye. He seems to need help. The media are happy to regurgitate the ravings of famous lunatics. All the media cares about is our attention and they will do anything to get it. I try to ignore most of it, so while I did hear Kanye tweeted something asinine, I have not read it and have less than zero interest in doing so. In fact the only thing I read on Twitter is the reaction to links I've shared.

@Pioneer1 OK.

@Delano I think the 90 days of delay buys me more time... Wanna bet $50 45 finishes the year?

So @Delano, do the female feminists have a right to fight against the clothing some muslim women wear? Man, as far as lanes are concerned where do you draw the line? That is like saying to a white american. "it is a Black thing -- you can't understand." It is a is a cop-out and speaks to an unwillingness or inability to explain. We all have lanes and at a certain point the lane can be very individualized. I would bet you money that there are some women that understand, and really "see," you better that some guys do. To me saying that men should stay completely out of an conversation that involves women (or vice versa) is short sighted and unnecessarily limiting. I'm not saying men should make the final decision for women, I'm saying rejecting male input is narrow minded. @Pioneer1, I'm making a completely different point. Now if all Catholic women had to dress like nuns then your point would be a valid comparison, but still not relevant to my point.

Queenx, I don't like the way this particular trial went against Cosby myself. The woman already collected 3 million from Cosby and continued to bring her family around him after the sexual assault. You might find this research a clinical psychologist, a Brother, did on all the accusers of Cosby interesting.

@Mel Hopkins, this must be a bug in the recent upgrade. I'll report it. I'm sure others have already noticed it and it will certainly get sorted in the next upgrade -- thanks for letting me know,

@Pioneer1, You wrote in an earlier post that you thought Odell was trying to be a white women. I clearly recall reading that. I can;t find that post so I can only assume to removed the statement. Now I'm cool with correcting posts or removed statement that you have later come to regret But is disingenuous of you to then ask me why I asked you the question about Odell was trying to be a white women. I don't recall you doing that before. Indeed, I don't recall anyone one doing it before. If you regret making the statement that is fine -- just say so, but don't make it seem like I pulled it out of thin air. Mel if you use the shorted url (youtu.be) it will not automatically embed you have to use the full URLP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZlCYNxt-Jk

Del my name is not Pioneer, the new information forced me to change my original position. I still think he will remain in office at least until the end of the year. So while I'm not as confident that he'll complete the remainder of his term, I think it is still likely. At lot has to happen first. Once they allowed all those women to speak you know it was a wrap for Cosby. Originally when it was the one woman from Rutgers who continued to come around Bill and even bring her family and friends to met him after the sexual assault, and she took over 3 Million dollars from him. I'm sure I would not have voted not guilty myself.

@Delano, since men and women need each other for survival, why can't men weigh in on the subject of feminism? It goes without saying each of us should be allowed to make out own decision about what is right for us, but our decisions should not be made in a vacuum, would you agree? I saw a woman in one of those getups that some muslim women wear, you know where only your eyes can be seen. Now I have no problem with a women wearing this if she wants. But there are some who are actively fighting against women dressing in this fashion. Many of these women are feminists -- are these feminists right or even justified in trying to erdadicate this type of restrictive and impractical clothing?