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@Delano I read the article and it is summarized with the following quote; “Since correct responses in the Verbalization protocol required conscious perception of the visual information, our findings imply that the subjects performed correct motor responses to visual cues, which they were not conscious about. It is therefore concluded that humans may reach decisions based on subconscious visual information in a choice reaction task.” This is NOT predicting the future or perceiving something beyond our senses. There is still an input. We are just simply unconscious of it, but our brain is perceiving it and using information. I don’t think so. A lazy person will just take the first result out by the AI, but if you tweak your prompts and are willing to edit the output, no one will be able to determine that the source with AI generated. In the future, like it another month or two, I probably won’t be able to distinguish AI from a high-quality writing. @ProfD here to I have a bit more faith in humanity’s ability to figure out what to do with the extra time. Some retirees like to play golf all day, other watch sports on TV and others celebrate black culture through books on the web. Everyone is different but the culture will adjust as it ultimately always does. It was a little more than a generation ago when most of us lived on farms I know absolutely nothing about growing crops or raising animals. Honestly, I’m glad I don’t have to know anything about that stuff. I have the free time to read a book and the technology allows me to create them as well. Technology has liberated us in so many ways and despite my complaining about the corporate abuses of technology, have longer healthy lives, but anytime in the last 3000 years, as a result.* * I suspect the people who built the pyramids lived in a time where humans, at least the ones in Africa, were better off then we are today.

Wouldn’t that be something, if we did that during our dreams? I used to dream that I could fly. I would just jump on my kitchen window and takeoff.

No, that is not what I'm saying. Why "model" the subconscious or intuition when you can create something superior? Poets and musicians often get inspiration for unknown sources they come up with a tune or turn of phase out of "nowhere." How does this happen. AI can create new poems and music. Is this modeled after the way humans do it who knows -- it doesn't matter if the end result is the same -- or even superior, as the future seems to indicate. Yes, but even our subliminal reactions are slow compared to a computer. Here too your question implies humans can see the future and react to it in real time. I don't believe this is true -- otherwise we'd be much better off as a species. We fail to react properly when we have complete,100%, knowledge of what is going to happen. I don't see it that way. My parents generation worked hard. The were one of the last generations of Black people reared on a farm. One of my older aunts looked at me recently, complemented me on my appearance said, in a good-natured tone, "this boy hasn't worked a day in his life." Relative speaking I haven't. I have never walk behind a mule with a plow. I have never picked cotton, primed tobacco, missed to school to labor in the fields for 12 hours or more a day. No, my generation at least those with some education has not has to work -- but we are not "lazy." We just work differently technology has enable me to eke out a living sitting at a desk... AI will free us of many tasks and to become productive in other ways. But corporation do have the ability to abuse these AI, as they've done with social media, ad abuse us even further in this scenario laziness will be the least of out worries Agreed about science, but again I'm not saying AI is an attempt to program a human. There are many ways of accomplishing a task. The way humans do it is just one -- and I'm sure it is not the optimal way. If we accept that AI is better at some things, like the game Go. Why can't we imagine it (or some future tech) being better at everything else humans can do?

Lazy... may not be the right word. I, for example, have AI doing stuff I'm simply too stupid, ignorant, or slow to do. I disagree with this wholeheartedly LOL! And here I thought you was putting humanity on a pedestal As @Delano knows I'm a betting man, and if our lifetimes were longer I'd definitely take that bet! We do it all the time. If you thought about it for a second you'd come up with somethings. I not I'll give you a couple of examples Clearly, many mental processes and behaviors are subconscious. Even though the individual may be completely unaware of the reason, science can sometimes provide an explanation.

Cute! Word! I have some pretty wild dreams, which I can remember pretty clearly when I first wake up, but by the middle of the day, I can’t remember the details any longer. Which is weird. i have not had recurring dream in more than 30 years. The last one I had was shortly after graduating from grad school I kept dreaming that I flunked out our wake up all stressed out on realize that I had already graduated. I Reflect back on those days and figured it was just a mild form of PTSD. The interesting thing is I was never at risk of flunking out. I read the article @Delano I can definitely see an AI optimize for dream interpretation—why not. It will be a great improvement over those dream books. Shoot maybe AI can help me pick my lottery numbers.

Of this, I’m aware. From personal experience if I encounter a problem that I can’t figure out a solution for I just set it aside and “sleep on it” so to speak and solution appears seemingly out of nowhere. How that works? heck if I know. Just because something is difficult to figure out does not mean it’s unknowable. Similarly a process outside of our conscious awareness does not mean that it cannot be mimicked in software and hardware. I think you guys (Del and ProfD) i’ve put humans on a pedestal as if we’re special throughout the known universe. we’re only a few generations removed from fish… @ProfD the following is a quote about protein folding: ”AI FOR GOOD — DeepMind trained AlphaFold on a public database of approximately 170,000 protein structures from a publicly available data bank. It has boosted the high accuracy of AlphaFold to predict the outcome of protein folding in a matter of days, and says it’s now predicted the shapes for 36 percent of human proteins with a high degree of confidence. That’s huge if it means scientists no longer have to go through an exhaustive process to figure out the underlying structures of the proteins they’re trying to study. We often think of artificial intelligence mostly used to pedestrian ends, like deciding what to show us in our news feeds. But technology like AlphaFold actually lives up to the greater ambition of computers studying huge swathes of data and making predictions that a human never could.” AI really is on the cusp of helping to cure disease. As far as cloning humans, do you really believe that there is a supreme being that has preventing us from doing it? Seems to me that supreme being Could have prevented us from doing a great many other things. I would not be surprised if the ability to clone a human is an already technically possible perhaps it even been done — a sheep was cloned 30 years ago! There are of course ethical reasons for not doing it, which may be a reason no one‘s going around boasting about doing it. I think it is possible for man to create something that is self-aware. At the rate, things have been improving. Some of us may see this happen in our lifetime

The genome has been mapped Virtually all the world’s knowledge is on the web. People reveal so much of their personal experiences on social media the owners of those platforms know more about the users than the users know about themselves. Plus are behaviors are tracked through out personal devices and other forms of surveillance. Cultural norms and standards are codified into laws, prescribe by religion and Revealed in our media and entertainment tastes What is there to disagree about @Delano?

@Delano now you are talking about “divination” and “Clairsentience” things that aren’t even proven that humans are capable of. This is beyond the scope of my argument. But when you talk about feeling I’d ask you what are feelings? This is no different than the question posed about intuition. Our feelings can largely be explained by our experiences, culture, knowledge, and genetics. These are things that can be quantified and feed into a LLM. The results are (will be) indistinguishable from what you call feelings. Think about the film Her.

OK I've been sloppy with my terminology in this conversation because I'm trying to relate it to what you guys are writing. When I read terms like computation and Inputs and output it makes me think you guys are think of AI like a traditional computer program. @Delano I skipped on Merrian Webster as I know what Intuition means, but I did read the Psychology Today article. The takeaway for me was that "Intuition later in life arises from the accumulation of knowledge and experiences that are processed and stored in our brain's neural networks, as well as other cells and tissues in our bodies, allowing us to access this information quickly, often unconsciously." All humans are born with this and how it works is not understood. This does not help me understand the distinction you are making being our human biology and software on silicon chips. Our persecution of what our bodies are doing are illusory, as are the stories we tell ourselves to explain our intuition. Of course, any story we conjure up to explain the biology of intuition would seemingly be inappropriate to apply to software on silicon. I think it can. We are essentially drive by algorithms too and any sufficiently intelligent being (which we are not) can completely explain how intuition works and describe future behavior. Maybe AI explain our intuition to us one day. I guess the Go example I provided fails your test for an AI developing a novel solution or an example of "intuition."

What is a hunch? And forget about algorithms that is a computer programming construct. Are you familiar with the game Go? Well in a test of AI it made a move the experts thought was a mistake, but it turned out to be a completely novel and in the moment an inexplicable move —a move that beat the best human player on earth. If a human made the same move we’d call it a stroke of genius, intuition, a hunch, any of the language you guys like to use to describe human intelligence. AI is capable of the same thing. You are just unwilling to think of AI in human terms (or vice versa). How do you know? Is it? Why? It may be perfectly rational, but the reason and logic may escape you?

My AI video are an example, no script writing, directors, actors, animation, editing, etc.

Again, what is intuition really? How does it work? Isit really very different than what an AI is, or can be, capable of? I’ve given chat GPT thousands of prompts and it can get things obviously wrong. But sometimes it answers questions better than what I’ve asked, seemingly intuiting what I meant to ask.

I saw that it was a non-trivial production.

Wow!

Yes @richardmurray. The free download just ended (Hawaiian time). A lot of people took advantage of the free download, including myself. I’m curious to see the utility of a children’s audiobook…

From what I’ve seen, yes. But there is potential for great harm too. The choice is up to the massive corporations that control AI and legislators who should be providing some constraints.

Couldn’t a current or future AI also figure out another novel approach @Delano?

Picking up this conversation here.

This is a continuation of the previous conversation on this subject: In the video below, two astrophysicists and a comedian, discuss free will.

True @Delano. Once you, or someone else, puts it on the net -- AI has it. Though I'm not sure what type of vetting AI does as it vacuums up the world wide web. I asked ChatGPT to cast my chart and tell me something about myself: https://chatgpt.com/share/d27def2d-dbea-4012-bb9f-8bfc914c2680 I always through I was rising in Cancer, so I don't know if the chart is calculated correctly or if I made a mistake in the past. I used to use a computer program to cast natal charts.

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That is where AI is superior no human can evaluate all the factors but an AI can. What is intuition… really? If AI knows “everything” is intuition necessary? Chat GPT works the same way for me. I use it far more often than a search engine too. The problem is that these AI’s get there intonation from the web—from us. Google has already crippled the web by providing answers right on the search engine results page rather than sending people to websites where the data was obtained. AI will just accelerate this. At some point, there will be no new information introduced to the web because there is no longer a viable business model for websites and AI will learn nothing new. What is the motivation for anyone to volunteer to update Wikipedia when no one goes there anymore, instead using some AI that has copied the information from Wikipedia and presents it to people and a much nicer consumable manner?

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The impacts on those around you is what will matter. No, It won’t lead to mastery. It will do just the opposite. Anyone can have AI create a chart and interpret it. Ultimately no human will be able to or need to do it.

Autocorrect changed my apparent “few” typo to “five.” AOC ain’t gonna be on the next ticket. But in a few more years who knows