BAAL & ASHTAROTH Worship in Ancient Black Civilizations

[Chevdove]

 

BAAL & ASHTAROTH Worship In Ancient Black Civilizations--An Introduction

 

By MusikAnimal - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=40954313

 

This is a huge subject and for thousands of years has been a major aspect of ancient Black civilizations. But today it may be better understood due to an overspreading of information on a global level in how this religion was effective in the set up of White Supremacy.  As an introduction, I believe that there are two major points that need to be highlighted; [1] The history that surrounds the Sphinx and, [2] the 18th Dynasty of Egypt.

 

[1] There is a lot of information that surrounds the ancient 'Riddle of the Sphinx' but based on my research I believe that part of the hidden information if revealed may shed more light. Firstly the word SPHINX is the key to its hidden meaning. Another phonetic written expression would be 'SHE-PHOENIX'. So even though the famous Sphinx in Egypt was carved to be the body of a lion and the head of supposedly an ancient pharaoh, however, its phoenhnetic spelling may reveal its origin and its meaning. There are many other renditions of the ancient 'phoenix' or She-phoenix, however, Biblical scripture seems to connect its conception to the ancient Canaanites of Phoenicia and then a much earlier time too. The riddle connects to a conflict between the priesthood and a matriarchal government. So therefore, in ancient Egypt, the Sphinx came to represent this very hidden concept of a female head that rises up out of the body of a lion. Some earlier renditions are of a 'She-Kemet' but ultimately the Sphinx came to represent the religion of Baal and Ashtaroth, whereby the matriarchal government was headed up by Ashtaroth, the representation of a White female. 

 

[2] Although the beginning of the 18th Dynasty was ruled over by Kamose and his brother, soon after another man assumed this dynasty through marriage and his name was Thutmosis. And, the origins of this military man was connected to the Hurrians, an old civilization that became rooted in the south of Egypt. However, the Hurrians' origin was from the northeast world.  Later, a pharaoh of this dynasty, a Bi-cultural pharaoh, would lead this dynasty into a great conflict with the original Egyptians over the set up of the Baal and Ashtaroth religion. 

Thutmosis III, dubbed, the warrior king, warred against the north and eventually, he brought hundreds of Mitannian princesses into his Egyptian court. The Dowager, had a son named *Amenhotep II, however, like his father, he embraced these foreign princesses. HIs second son from a Mitannian queen, Mitemwiya, became the next pharaoh, Thutmosis IV. 

After he died, his son, Amenhotep III became a very young pharaoh and was married to his princess, Queen Tiy, at a young age. 

*Amenhotep III became the father of the infamous next pharaoh, Amenhotep IV and of whom was later blamed for the civil conflict that occurred in Egypt. However, it was actually Amenhotep III that began this movement of the set up of a new religion. He changed his name to 'The Dazzling One' in recognition of this new religion that became known as 

The Aten Religion. It was defined as a sun worship and a monotheistic religion, but was not true at all. It essence it was the ancient Amorite-Canaanite Baal and Ashtaroth religion.

Initially, the pharaoh was supposed to be Amenhotep IV's older brother but he died young. And then another major hidden aspect would be the involvement of the Hebrew Israelites. 

Based on astronomy and other correct alignment of history, and the Book of Acts, it would be none other than the Biblical Moses that was chosen to be the very pharaoh of this new movement!!!

 

*Moses was chosen because he was very light skinned as the Bible reveals. He was very fair skinned and had striking features. But, Moses loathed these Egyptians and eventually, he fled at this time and so, Amenhotep IV became known as Akhenaten and was the initial one to head up this religion.

He married an Assyrian [Hittite] woman, Nefertiti and eventually, the religion of Thebes was outlawed.

 

*The Theban treasury temple was closed. A new construction project began in the central areas of Egypt where the capitol city was designated and called Akhetaten and tombs began to be constructed. The births of all of Nefertiti's daughters mark the very time period. In her failed attempt to give birth to a malefactor, she eventually gave up her eldest daughters to mate with their father for the effort. One of the main aspects of this religion once defined as 'Atum-Re' would be that a mother would rule through her son and therefore it was imperative that Nefertiti bare a malefactor to appease the Original Egyptians of whom were of a priesthood; Amun, Amun-Atum-Khons [Atum or Muta in revrse].

The High Priest Ay became the Baal high priest and Nefertiti became, Ashtaroth, the head of this religion and Akhenaten was head in name only. Many depictions of her was carved with the face of Akhenaten because she was the head of this matriarchal religion.

 

*However, it was at this time that her second oldest daughter died in childbirth that the Egyptian Thebans began to revolt. So, in the 12th year, Nefertiti fled. Mitemwiya and queen Tiy also died around this time too. Akhenaten took on a male lover in secret, Smenkhkare. But he was married to Nefertiti's oldest daughter. Eventually, Akhenaten died and so, the last heir was named pharaoh, his young son by another woman. His name was Tutankhaten. 

 

 

 

*The young Tutankhaten was married to Nefertiti's youngest daughter and they were guided by the old Baal priest Ay and the Aten court. The Aten court completely abandoned the capital of Akhetaten and moved back to Upper Egypt.

Tutankhaten's name was changed to Tutankhamen. 

The Thebans allowed that same Aten court, Assyrians, to remain in power and head up their Theban priesthood.

About ten years later, King Tut was about 19 or 20 years old and the high priest Ay, hated him and his high servant Horemheb. 

Ay chose, Nakhtmin, to be the next ruler over Egypt. But nevertheless, after being absent from Egypt for 40 years, Moses returned and confronted the Theban court

 

*In Lower Egypt where the Theban court set up at the headwaters to prepare for their annual Barley festival, the Hebrews became very oppressed due to hard labor.

The Aten court drained the treasury and so the Hebrews [Syrians] in Lower Egypt and the Nubians in Upper Egypt were forced to due hard labor. And the Hebrews began to complain under Moses. Eventually, the generalissimo, Nakhmin, went MIA in the Red Sea and the puppet pharaoh lost his entire military force. The one that sat on the throne of the young pharaoh King Tut, was Smenkhkare. He was the acting pharaoh for ten years before King Tut came of age. And, he became the victim of the Death Plague. But the young puppet pharaoh King Tut died a few years later and that was the end of that dynasty. His high servant, Horemheb headed up Egypt and a new dynasty formed under him, the Ramesses, the 19th Dynasty. The secular date for the death of Smenkhkare of 1336 should be subtracted 100 years and that would be the exact date of this historical period known in the Bible as the Exodus. So because the Theban Egyptians continued to allow these Assyrian servants, the Aten court, to head up their Egyptian civilization, they were judged.

 

According to the Bible more than 400 years later after the Exodus, the Hebrew Israelites also allowed Baal and Ashtaroth worship to set up, initially under Ahab and Jezebel, and this form of worship continued until they were completely overthrown. 

 

[11] And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served Baalim: [12] And they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the LORD to anger.

[13] And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.

[14] And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he delivered them into the hands of spoilers that spoiled them, and he sold them into the hands of their enemies round about, so that they could not any longer stand before their enemies. 

JUDGES 2:11-14.

 

[18] And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria. ISAIAH 7:18.

 

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

When I read about these Deities in the Old Testament like Baal, several questions come to mind; among them...........


1. They must have had SOME sort of Reality to Them or else the Israelites wouldn't have kept on worshipping Them and it wouldn't have been so hard for Them to stay away.

Think about it......

If They were ONLY stone statues or pieces of wood, why would you have entire priesthoods and armies dedicated to Them?
That doesn't makes sense for human beings to do even back in those ancient days.

These had to be powerful and intelligent Beings who really existed and most likely still exist.
Which brings me to my next point.....


2. Where is Baal and Ashtaroth and many of those other Deities TODAY?

Did they just disappear?
Did they come from another planet and decided to fly back?
Are they still alive?
If not, where are they buried?

I have to ask, how can Beings so powerful and influential at that time just "disappear" and drop off the map by the time the New Testament roles around?

 

[Chevdove]

36 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

1. They must have had SOME sort of Reality to Them or else the Israelites wouldn't have kept on worshipping Them and it wouldn't have been so hard for Them to stay away.

Think about it......

 

Absolutely!

 

 

37 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

2. Where is Baal and Ashtaroth and many of those other Deities TODAY?

 

There were many forms of this type of worship in the ancient times and even today. The Gospel speaks about Baal worship in modern times. 

The only specific type today that I am sure about is the Anti-Christ; this is a definite form of Baal worship. 

 

39 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Did they come from another planet and decided to fly back?
Are they still alive?

 

Yes! I believe that this type of worship stems from some beings that came from another realm. 

[Chevdove]

[37] Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. [38] But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and

 

a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour

with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 

 

[39] Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god,

whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause

them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. DANIEL 11:37-39.

 

*THE ANTI-CHRIST*

 

The prophets even Jesus referred to this type of supreme Baal worship and others as 'the abomination that makes desolate'.

It must be set up in the sanctuary, the temple, before the Second Coming can happen. 

Just like in earlier times, ancient idols or depictions of Black kings and queens were changed to be re-constructed 

as White idols. This was done during the Greek Classical Age and in modern times, it became known as

the Renaissance. 

 

[Pioneer1]

It would seem to me that Baal and the Anti-Christ are two different Beings.

Baal was and is one of the Eloah from the Canaanite/Hebrew pantheon of Deities.
The Anti-Christ is supposedly some figure who is supposed to come at the end of this Dispensation claiming to be Christ to deceive the world.

Actually, there is some question as to whether the Anti-Christ itself would even exists because you really don't read about the Anti-Christ in the book of Revelations.
When you read the book itself....it speaks of "The Beast" and the "Image of The Beast".

Many of the attributes of The Beast are attributed to this mythical "Anti-Christ" figure through the ages.

[Chevdove]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

It would seem to me that Baal and the Anti-Christ are two different Beings.

Baal was and is one of the Eloah from the Canaanite/Hebrew pantheon of Deities.

 

Yes, the Canaanite Baal worship goes way back in time, so there would be different types of Baal idol worship, I suppose.

 

 

[Chevdove]

continued from the Se7en thread about Baal worship:

 

Here is my research on the names of [1} MOSES and [2] HEBREW:

 

[1]  In this video, the scholar speaks about the name MOSES and fails to recognize that even before the Biblical Moses, this name was used and it did refer to a connection with 'the river' or being drawn from water. Moses was born in the time of the 18th Dynasty and not the 19th Dynasty that Europeans portray in their films. 

 

The 18th dynasty Ahmose and Kamose is the name that reveals that Moses was named after this dynasty. Soon, the Hurrian military man was named Thutmosis and this root name MOSES continued throughout this dynastic line. But just like the popular hispanic name today, the Biblical Moses was actually named RAMOSE after the revived religion of the god Ra [Amun-Ra]. The god Ra was not recognized in the Bible therefore the Biblical Moses' name was written differently to exclude the god Ra. 

 

 

[2] The name HEBREW does not refer to 'crossing over' as this video says. The root name HEB is very ancient and goes all the way back to the birth of Abel, the younger brother of Cain of whom he murdered. Abel's name is also written as HEBEL.

 

Because Abel was a sheep herder, Shepherd, therefore,his name HEB referred to his being a shepherd and therefore, the name HEBREW means the same. The Hebrew Israelites and their ancestors, the EBERS, were sheep herders in their cultural origins and were always associated with the SHEEP, the LAMB and the RAM due to their Nappy, woolly, AFrican hair type that connects them to their original trade and so the woolly hair African trait was to define their main phenotype and their ethnic and cultural identity and ties to Africa; cultural and maternal origins in Africa. When they went whoring after White people, then they were eventually overthrown and suppressed with other Black cultures. So eventually some of them would intermix with Black people and therefore the Creator forced the Original Israelites of both Joseph [the Ten Tribes] and the Jews to retain their ethno-cultural identity with Africa. Furthermore, BEL Worship stemmed from these early origins of ABEL and many descendants of Seth developed their early religions around these origins.

 

So when the Jews were overthrown, the Chaldeans gave them Ben names and this root name BEL was prevalent due to the Chaldean deity. Unlike 'Ramose' the name Bel remained in the Jews names in the Bible because, during those times, the Chaldeans did not have a problem with their Black identity, even though they worshiped idols. Prior to Neo-Babylon though, the opposite of BEL worship was Baal worship and this was the Phoenician form of Bel worship in White dominated civilizations. The prophets blame Solomon for allowing the reset up of Baal worship to take root again in Black civilizations.

 

Jezebel's father was named Ethbaal because he was a White Baal priest. But after the downfall of Black civilizations the name Bel eventually came to mean white. But without understanding the origins of the words HEB, ABEL [Aboriginal], HEBEL and BEL, then the worship of Baal, Beelzebub [the Lord of the flies] and the earlier Black worship of Bel within context becomes a confusion.

 

The earliest form of Bel worship stemmed from the origins of mankind being born from the womb or BELLY. So the Biblical names of Cain, Abel and Seth became Cabel, Hebel and Ethbel [Seth-Bel]. The High priest Aaron's robe was embroidered with images of BELLS sewn into the hem of his robe along with pomegranates and the BELL represented the shape of the female uterus and therefore the womb from which all mankind is born. But soon White Supremacist civilizations setup, the Bel worship eventually became Baal worship or Head worship in Lebanon and in civilizations along the Mediterranean Sea. Baal worshipers such as the Amalekites and other Black people in the Middle East practiced headhunting. In reality it was an attack on Black civilizations and the priesthood. And Cyebele [Shebelle] the seed born as a result of the Original Sin came to represent the mother of a particular matriarchal government that continued to infiltrate Black civilizations and then Ashtaroth would rise as being the supreme Queen BEE over Cyebele. Therefore Black women were always exploited to bring forth Baal and Ashtaroth worhip in the ancient world. The triad of the Roman Empire was Cybele [Mammy Belle], Jupiter and Juno, and there were other variations of the names in earlier times but the theme was the same. 

 

[Pioneer1]

Chev

Festi-VAL  and Canni-BAL  are words also derived from the word Baal.

 

[Mel Hopkins]

Allegedly, these ancient African tribes were Matrilineal, not matriarchal. A few matriarchal societies are found in Asia -but most indigenous tribes then and today, like the Hebrews/ indigenous Americans, are matrilineal - meaning the mother determines the lineage.   

 

Also, Asteroth is the masculine version of Astarte,  the Canaanite goddess -here's a bit that was written about them.

 

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the dread demon Astaroth, who undoubtedly stems from Astarte, the Syrian goddess of fertility. How this lush female entity underwent a transformation of personality--as well as a sex-change--has been lost to history.  It is easy to imagine, however, that early Judaic culture observed the deities of their surrounding neighbors to be demons, since their religion centered on a single deity by a different name.

 

Ba'al, AKA Bel,

 

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seems to relate to the Sumero-Babylonian Goddess Belit-ili or Belili. To the Canaanites, Lilith was Baalat, the "Divine Lady." On a tablet from Ur, ca. 2000 BCE, she was addressed as Lillake." 

 

They were both made "demonic" because polytheism was under attack, with believers being tortured, killed, and maimed for not wanting to participate in monotheism.   

 

The victors write history. Thank goodness what was hidden is coming to light.  

[Pioneer1]

Mel

Thanks for highlighting the differences between matriarchal and matrilineal.
Most people don't understand or even acknowledge that there IS a difference.

A culture or religion can certainly be matrilineal without being matriarchal.
Modern Judaism is an excellent example.
It's actually patriarchal but the family bloodline is traced through the mother which makes it matrilineal.

Actually matrilineal is a smart method to trace onces ancestry because of the old saying,
"Mama's baby....Papa's....MAYBE"

You always KNOW who the mother is because she's the one having the baby, but you don't always KNOW who the actual father is....especially when there are other men around.


 

[Chevdove]

On 1/30/2024 at 4:28 PM, Mel Hopkins said:

Allegedly, these ancient African tribes were Matrilineal, not matriarchal. A few matriarchal societies are found in Asia -but most indigenous tribes then and today, like the Hebrews/ indigenous Americans, are matrilineal - meaning the mother determines the lineage.   

 

I absolutely understand this! And thank you! 

in times past, I would sometimes write without making a complete clarification as these two terms have often been misunderstood!

And, I partly understand what you wrote about the Hebrews being matrilineal too, at some point. 

 

The timeline of Jesus in the Book of Matthews definitely is NOT matri-lineal though. It starts with Adam and goes all the way down to Joseph and Mary. 

The timeline of Shem also starts with a male, Adam and goes all the way down to Abraham--NO FEMALE as the head.

The timeline of Abraham's grandson, Jacob also is NOT Matri-lineal as he covers his whole progeny.

HOWEVER after the Exodus, the Hebrews are defined BY CULTURE as being Syrian and here is where I can understand why some may define Hebrews as being Matri-lineal.

Because Jacob bonded with four women from that region, he embraced that culture to a point. 

Later, the Jews of Ethiopia do have the name 'MARY' in some form as their name titles and this too is a very important point about them defining themselves from the Virgin birth. Very interesting point!

 

 

[Chevdove]

On 1/30/2024 at 4:28 PM, Mel Hopkins said:

 

 

Also, Asteroth is the masculine version of Astarte,  the Canaanite goddess -here's a bit that was written about them.

 

Yes! Thank you! @Mel Hopkins

 

I believe that it would take many books to bring out the deeper history about that name Ashteroth. 

I did see that there are many script versions of how this name is written such as 'Ashtar', Ashter', 'Ash-tartu', 'Astarte', ... and all have a specific meaning.

And, I am completely aware that Ashteroth was once a male aspect that later changed in Canaanite literature. 

 

Coupled with the religion as being Baal and Ashteroth, I believe the origins of this male aspect lies deep. As I wrote before, I could write a book, books, on this subject because there is a lot that needs to come to light to understand how this religion became a tool that led to White Supremacy in Black lands. 

 

Before this Canaanite religion became known as 'Baal and Ashteroth', it may have just been the supreme worship of Ashteroth when it represented a male deity.

However, I do believe it was originally female, then maybe it changed to a dual deity and then it split to being Baal and Ashteroth, with Baal being male.

 

By the time that Nefertiti became the head of the Aten religion, her high priest Ay was the Baal priest and therefore, she became supreme and Akhenaten was pharaoh in name only. 

 

I think that the earlier Roman Triad is also vital in understanding the dual nature of Ashteroth too. 

Also how their supreme god An transformed is part of this ancient religion as well. 

 

[Chevdove]

Also to clarify, I think that the Hebrews defined by culture as being Syrian can be seen as a point where some of them defined their tribes based on a matri-lineal origin starting with either Leah, Rachel, Bilhah or Zilpah, but the Matriarchal aspect was, at times, a contention due to the Canaanite presence that they had been dealing with.

 

For example, the story of Solomon and his mother presents one of many stories of how that Matriarchal head government contended with the kings of Israel. 

Solomon fell in love with, Abishag, the Black Virgin that became a nurse for David. He was one of the shepherds that was part of the party go and find a nurse and as he was assigned in that region in the mountains of Lebanon for a season, he party found Abishag and brought her back to the Capitol in Mt. Moriah. But once there, Solomon's mother revealed that she had a bad spirit and shocked Solomon. 

 

After the death of David, Solomon wanted to marry Abishag and he pursued her. But his older brother became enraged that David intercepted him and gave the kingdom to Solomon and therefore, he plotted against Solomon. He went behind Solomon's back and asked Bathsheba to give him Abishag. And Bathsheba then surprised Solomon one day and told Solomon to give Abishag to his older brother Adonaijah. Bathsheba ordered the life of that young girl to be given away as if she was a slave and WOW! Her dark nature was revealed. Solomon could not believe it because, as he mother too is black skinned and he knew what she endured due to Colorism, he could not believe that she would try to destroy the life of another Black skinned beauty. So Solomon told his mother, 'you are going to make me a slave to my brother--and I am the king'.

But as Bathsheba was the Queen of queens, as David's wife, Solomon did not cross her, but what he did was have his brother killed. 

So after that, he married Abishag, and Bathsheba went down in shame.

Later, when Abishag was older, she co-authored the love story between her and Solomon that became the Book Song of Solomon.

This book Song of Solomon became the rendition of the famous fairy tale we know today as Cinderella. 

Bathsheba became the 'evil step-mother' syndrome and her name was also written out of the GOSPEL. She was written in as 'the wife of Uriah-the-Hittite'. She was written out of the Bible, even though it is Bathsheba, that is the matri-lineal basis of both Joseph and Mary! From David and Bathsheba, the lineage of Jesus' parents came! 

 

So in conclusion, the Matriarchal system did contend with the kings of Israel from time to time due to the Canaanites, the Hittites and other Asiatics old civilizations that had infiltrated the western world of Ham whereby women would challenge the patriarchal systems. Another dramatic historic event of this contention was the story about Ahab and Jezebel. 

[Pioneer1]

 

You may not believe this because I generally don't provide sources or links to this assertion but I'll say it again for those who are willing to believe it.....lol.

1. The original Hebrews were a Black Kemetic (ancient Egyptian) tribe.
Their name has been changed numerous times based on translation from Yiber, Yibri, Hebrew, and Eebo (Igbo of Nigeria).

2. One of the reasons they are in the Bible is because Moses/Musa was from Egypt and from that tribe and him and some others from that tribe were sent up from Kemet (ancient Egypt) into the mountains of the Caucasus to civilize the wild Caucasians.
 

[Chevdove]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

2. One of the reasons they are in the Bible is because Moses/Musa was from Egypt and from that tribe and him and some others from that tribe were sent up from Kemet (ancient Egypt) into the mountains of the Caucasus to civilize the wild Caucasians.

 

The Caucasus is no where near Egypt so, again, you are referencing two different stories. 

And Baal worship itself would be the key to Moses never doing that. He had an intense hatred for White Supremacy.

He married Zippora, a Black Cushitic women and would never take her to teach White people anything. 

 

 

[Mel Hopkins]

On 2/7/2024 at 1:09 AM, Chevdove said:

The Caucasus is no where near Egypt so, again, you are referencing two different stories. 

Check today's map to see how close they are and then envision how close they might have been several millennia ago.  

[Mel Hopkins]

One of the challenges with this discussion is the talk of divisions based on skin color. White is a fairly new description starting around the 17th century. In fact, there's a video circulating on social media of an Egyptian man not understanding why Immigration wanted him to identify as white - when, as he said, to paraphrase, his native description is cultural/religious affiliation and then nationality.

 

So you can only imagine back in ancient Africa, they would have identified by tribes/spiritual/nationality/. In fact, when I went to Rome over ten years ago, I realized it was a gathering place for all nationalities; Aset and Heru  (Black Madonna and Jesus) graced the pantheon - even the Trevi fountain is flanked by Greek "gods" when you'd think you'd see Roman deities on display. But I digress. 

 

Further, speaking in terms of duality is cabalistic -it is a way to support the very thing many of us rally against, "white supremacy." - there's no such thing as a supreme color/hue. Still, we make it so by supporting the very idea of it.   We are divine because we are created from the DIVINE, but we are kept from seeing it within ourselves because we've allowed the reigning plot to keep us stuck in the second dimension through the use of the language that I recently learned is DIVINE. Divinity adheres to intention. So, as you see here in this discussion, the victors take an entity with the same name - and then distort the name -and now, instead of a celebration of life - we celebrate death. Sound familiar? As we notice, this is what members of the republican party do today - "woke" that is good is "woke" that is bad. See what happens when we see things in terms of good and evil? Well, you know, because we hide and then get kicked out of the proverbial Garden of Eden with the illusion that we're separated from our DIVINITY.   But if we look upon this or any information without judgment - but rather discernment (clearly perceive), it allows us to see beyond two or three-dimensional perspectives to become receptors (meaning using more than just logic but the six senses) for knowledge, not just data. Then, we'll be able to free ourselves from this paradigm to see and communicate with the WHO we seek.

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[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

Further, speaking in terms of duality is cabalistic -it is a way to support the very thing many of us rally against, "white supremacy." - there's no such thing as a supreme color/hue. Still, we make it so by supporting the very idea of it.   

Sista Mel, we use the term white supremacy from a contextual perspective to describe the system of racism as created and practiced by white folks in their colonization and domination of non-white people over several hundred years.

[Mel Hopkins]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

we use the term white supremacy from a contextual perspective to describe the system of racism as created and practiced by white folks in their colonization and domination of non-white people over several hundred years

Hey Brother Prof D!!! Good to see you!

You know, we indigenous, aboriginal people never called them "white" until they started calling themselves white. We never said they were supreme until they began to call themselves supreme.

 

Words have power.

 

It is better to point out what oppressors have done to a group of people than to allow those offenders to escape justice by hiding under a term that they themselves invented.

 

Check out what Indigenous Americans called colonizers - it definitely wasn't "white." One tribe called them out for what they did. And I agree with that as one way to keep their actions in the forefront. 

 

In my family, we describe people by the color of their complexion. And not once does "white" come up as a term we use. In fact, I just realized even my sorority sisters described my firstborn as "beige," to indicate she was her daddy's baby. LOL. Read my book, and you'll see I described my characters by their hue. 

 

But levity aside, my point is our ancestors understood the power of words, and so do those who seek to oppress.

 

y do.

 

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[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

Hey Brother Prof D!!! Good to see you!

Always great to read you and glad you took time out to pop in on the family.  

 

We still chopping it up around here.

 

[Pioneer1]

Chev

 

 

The Caucasus is no where near Egypt so, again, you are referencing two different stories. 

I know.
He was sent FROM Kemet/Egypt up to the Caucasus.

 

 

And Baal worship itself would be the key to Moses never doing that. He had an intense hatred for White Supremacy.

He married Zippora, a Black Cushitic women and would never take her to teach White people anything. 

Musa/Moses had several wives and also did many things like being a war General before he was commissioned to go up to the Caucasus with a group of people for that mission.

They also took scuba diving gear with them...lol.

But I'll leave that alone because this thread isn't about Musa/Moses.

 

 

 

 

Mel

 

One of the challenges with this discussion is the talk of divisions based on skin color. White is a fairly new description starting around the 17th century. In fact, there's a video circulating on social media of an Egyptian man not understanding why Immigration wanted him to identify as white - when, as he said, to paraphrase, his native description is cultural/religious affiliation and then nationality.

This is why I actually choose to use the words "Caucasian" and "African" when referencing race...instead of "White" or "Black".

They are more accurate.
Especially given that few people on the planet are  literally White or Black.

 

The problem with identifying many Egyptians today is manifold....

1. Most of them identify as Arab which the U.S. calls "White" despite the fact that Arabs literally come in many colors and races.
Most of the Arabs of Sudan are African while most of the Arabs or Syria are Caucasian....lol.

2. In Arabic culture, they only consider the race of the FATHER.  Not the mother.  So the mother could be a jet Black African or even an Asian and the child can come out looking however they want but as long as the father is an "Arab" than that child will be legally considered Arab.
And it's been like this for thousands of years.
 

So you can only imagine back in ancient Africa, they would have identified by tribes/spiritual/nationality/. In fact, when I went to Rome over ten years ago, I realized it was a gathering place for all nationalities; Aset and Heru  (Black Madonna and Jesus) graced the pantheon - even the Trevi fountain is flanked by Greek "gods" when you'd think you'd see Roman deities on display. But I digress. 

 

The Romans took their deities from the Greeks.

The original Greek (gods) were Black Beings.

They even displayed them in statues and on pottery as Black.

In Rome and the Vatican as well as other parts of Europe they have pictures and statues of Black people that they worship and ascribe various names to.

Much of their Pantheon consists of the original Black people who were sent up from Kemet into the Caucasus to civilize them, and this was passed down generation after generation until they became myths and legends among the Caucasians who left the mountains and went their separate ways like the Greeks, Romans, Visigoths,  Anglos, Jews, etc...

 

 

When you were in Rome did you get to see the statue of Romulus and Remus sucking on the breasts of a wolf?

 

 

There's history behind that.
 

[Chevdove]

17 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

know.
He was sent FROM Kemet/Egypt up to the Caucasus.

 

Moses had a deep hatred for White people so, this would contradict the Moses that conflicted with Egypt though.

The God of the Exodus also judged the Egyptians due to White Supremacy, therefore, he would never send Moses from Egypt

to teach Caucasians. That's completely insane @Pioneer1! 

Again, remember Moses married a Cushitic woman. 

 

17 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Romans took their deities from the Greeks.

The original Greek (gods) were Black Beings.

They even displayed them in statues and on pottery as Black.

 

So true!

[Pioneer1]

Chev

 

The God of the Exodus also judged the Egyptians due to White Supremacy, therefore, he would never send Moses from Egypt
to teach Caucasians. That's completely insane

 

The God of the Biblical Exodus is Yahoowah/Yahweh.

The REAL Exodus took place when the Caucasians (known commonly as the Sea People) went into the Black lands and caused trouble among them and were rounded up, and driven out through Palestine and past Syria up into the mountains of Central Asia where that mountain range was named after them.

They didn't TRY to leave from being held captive...they were DRIVEN out for making mischief and causing the people to fight one another.

 

They were also know as the Children of Yacub.
Yacub was known as Jacob.
In the Bible Jacob was known as Israel.

[Chevdove]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The REAL Exodus

@Pioneer1 I am only focusing on the history of Egypt and the 18th Dynasty Thutmosis and King Tut is the last king.

After him was the High priest Ay and Horemheb.

The Moses in their script is my focus.