Black Girl Clobbers Another Black Girl with Baton During Track Relay--Went Viral!

[Chevdove]

 

Black Girl Clobbers Another Black Girl with Baton During Track Relay--Went Viral!

 

I keep watching this over and over in shock!

And get this, the perpetrator is now playing the victim.

She claims that it was an accident.

I am trying to be objective but, it looks suspicious to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kaelen Tucker, a Brookville High School athlete

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[umbrarchist]

This kind of stupid lack of emotional self control is way beyond ridiculous.

 

Now plead Not Guilty against all of those witnesses and video. 

 

Make yourself infamous all over the country especially among track & field people.

[ProfD]

This is an open and shut case of unsportsmanlike conduct, assault and battery.

 

This isn't one of those videos where they can tell folks you didn't see what you saw on the screen.

[Troy]

A national news story... wow.

[Delano]

The coach and her parents apologised but she didn't. Also the fact that she didn't stop makes it look intentional. This was in my YouTube feed. 

[Troy]

1 minute ago, Delano said:

This was in my YouTube feed. 

 

It originally broadcast on Good Morning America (GMA), which is a nationally broadcast program. 

 

The video got 1.4 million views on YouTube -- not counting the ones here, because YouTube does not publish embedded views as to encourage creators to direct viewers to YouTube to watch video.

 

Here too GMA is feeding the algorithm and debasing their content to get more viewers.  Look, someone getting hit over the head with a stick is simply not newsworthy.    

@Delano it is possible that the clip started out on social, went viral and GMA picked up on the story.  If that is the case, that is a pathetic waste of journalism and sad to think the national news may have come to this.  

[aka Contrarian]

It all could've been avoided if the accused girl hadn't done  what she was accused of. 

And I doubt if there has ever been a case before where  one runner In a relay race hit another runner on an opposing team  with a baton  during the final stretch. So it is a newsworthy, human interest story imo,  and a sign of the times along with the everybody-gets-a-trophy-custom and winning at any cost attitude that overshadows good spormanship and now passes for acceptable behavior,-  thanks to Donald Trump.

It certainly bespeaks of  childishness and poor home training. 

 

[Delano]

It reminded me Tony's Harding and Nancy Kerrigan although they weren't high school athletes 

[Troy]

8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

And I doubt if there has ever been a case before where  one runner In a relay race hit another runner on an opposing team  with a baton  during the final stretch. So it is a newsworthy,

I disagree. When I was in high school, a kid from boys high picked up the starting blocks and hit another kid with it during a track meet.  Today where everyone post everything on social media I’m sure that would’ve went viral. But in New York City, where people will be murdered every day that incident was not newsworthy.
 

Kids lash out in all kinds of situations all the time unfortunately. If the national news covered every time these situations occurred. They wouldn’t have time to talk about anything else.

 

to make matters worse, the girl denies deliberately hitting the other runner. She says it was an accident so this is not even a clear case of violence, and George Stephanopoulos is covering it as if it is.

 

The girl was not seriously injured. She was allegedly diagnosed with a concussion, but looking at the video that strains credulity.

 

Now, if it was a small market, where high school sports is regularly covered. I could see it making the news, but national coverage really?!

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Delano said:

Tony's Harding and Nancy Kerrigan

yeah, I about that figure skating situation as well. But clearly this track incident does not rise to the level of hiring a hitman to take someone out. 

[Delano]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

this track incident does not rise to the level of hiring a hitman to take someone out. 

She is in high school she couldn't afford it she isn't dating 

[Troy]

I'm sure she could have come up with something to compensate a low-level thug 

 

Seriously, here is the scenario:

 

A teenager accidently hits another teenager with her baton during a track meet. No one is seriously injured. Someone posts the video online exclaiming, "Black Girl Clobbers Another Black Girl with Baton During Track Meet." The video goes viral.

 

Good Morning America, desperate for ratings, jumps all over it the video, without vetting the story giving it national attention. We have all been manipulated into outrage. The story as presented is indeed outrageous, but looking deeper it is of no consequence -- certainly not newsworthy. The entire situation is absurd. 

[aka Contrarian]

Well, I think the incident falls in the category of "man-bites-dog" news and I have no problem with it going viral.  If it hadn't, I would've never known that this type of behavior was not unusual.  There are even humorous aspects to this cautionary tale.

The girl who was hit claims to have been diagnosed with a brain concussion, incidentally. And GMA is not exactly desperate for ratings since its the #1 morning talk show. 

 

So, did you have a problem with reports of athletic coaches molesting their female trainees making headlines? 

[Troy]

14 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

So, did you have a problem with reports of athletic coaches molesting their female trainees making headlines? 

 

No, that type of reporting and coverage is important -- life-saving!

 

15 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

Well, I think the incident falls in the category of "man-bites-dog" news

 

Sure, perfect fodder for the tabloids -- which I guess GMA is TV tabloid huh?  I don't watch it, so I have no clue

 

17 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

GMA is not exactly desperate for ratings since its the #1 morning talk show. 

 

If their MO is trolling the web for sensational stories I'm not surprised they are #1.  Being popular does not mean it is the best thing for you, certainly not enough to attract my attention.

[ProfD]

The parents of the teenaged slugger are standing with their daughter as she navigates the backlash of her actions.

 

Whenever the victim is ready to receive it, a sincere apology and a hug could possibly settle this matter.

[Troy]

I get the impression the “victim” has lawyered up and is fixing to sue somebody. 
 

And the more I think about it, I don’t believe for a split second the girl was concussed. It’s not like the baton is a solid, steel rod. Plus both girls were in motion. There’s just no way….

 

Did anybody mention a motive?

[Pioneer1]

Umbrarchist

This kind of stupid lack of emotional self control is way beyond ridiculous.
 

I agree, it appeared to be a cases of emotionalism and lack of self control.
Even if the girl didn't "set out" do do it at the beginning of the race, she likely looked over and saw the other girl getting ahead and striking her become an almost ALMOST involuntary emotional reaction.

Troy

 

A national news story... wow.
 

I know....
As sad and as crazy as it was, I don't think this was worthy of being "national" news, except by some racist blogger attempting to highlight as much Black dysfunctionality as they possibly can.

Some people....if a Black man simply takes a leak behinds a gas station...if they can get it on camera, they'll post it world wide talking about how "Black guys are animals who like to urinate in public".
 
That's often how racism works....
Subtle, sneaky, and deceptive

Not necessarily from GMA or ABC as an institution, but from some individual INSIDE those institutions who'll dig up things that make AfroAmericans or Black people in general look dysfunctional and use their position to push those particular stories.

They want to show a Black girl hitting another one with a baton, but in many high schools White girls routinely poison eachother and slip toxic substances into the food and drinks of their teachers.
How much of THAT diabolical shit makes National Headlines?

[Troy]

@Pioneer1 at this point I reject the premise that it was a deliberate attack.

 

But yes, I agree Black promoting Black dysfunctions no matter how obscure or unproven is what mainstream media loves to promote. 

 

We do a great many positive things that they chose to ignore.

 

[Pioneer1]

 

Troy

I'm curious.....
By what grounds do you reject it as being deliberate?
Do you have any other information about the matter besides the video?

I admit, I actually WAS looking for a second or third strike from her to confirm that it was an actual attack.
Striking someone just once...especially with a movement your arm is supposed to make while running anyway...isn't the most clear and obvious sign of an attack.

However the way she looked over AT her before striking her says it was probably deliberate.
Also, when it was clear that she had been struck....the fact that the girl didn't apologize to her or exhibited any signs of empathy or sorry over something she just did (even by accident) also told me it probably was deliberate.
 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Troy said:

We do a great many positive things that they chose to ignore.

AfroAmericans should never rely on them to highlight the best of us.

 

Displaying AfroAmericans in a positive light is antithetical to the system of racism white supremacy. 

 

At the same time, AfroAmericans need to reserve that negative energy and violence used against each other for the real enemy.

[Troy]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do you have any other information about the matter besides the video?

yeah, one of the videos posted showed the alleged clobbered, and tears saying it was an accident. 
 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

the fact that the girl didn't apologize to her or exhibited any signs of empathy or sorry

you obviously did not listen to the other girls story you just have one side of the story and have formed opinions the video may not tell the whole story, even if you were right there and watched it. You might not really understand what actually happened or what the girls intention was.

 

I haven’t watched the video recently but I recall the girl reaching out to the girl that she accidentally struck with the baton. She did not stop running… It was a race.
 

I’m still looking for a motive….

 

again, the way, good morning America cover the story I could see why people would jump to the conclusion that this was a heinous act by a violent and evil girl — because that’s the way they portrayed it… ridiculous.

[Pioneer1]

33 minutes ago, Troy said:

yeah, one of the videos posted showed the alleged clobbered, and tears saying it was an accident. 

Oh yeah.....

Like how she started off saying that the other girl may have gotten physically hurt but then went on to talk about HER mental anguish.

Like how she was crying tears but at the same time showing off her cute braces with what looked to be a smile on her face.

Like how when she said it was an accident quickly broke her focus and glanced down to the side as she said it.

You don't have to be a trained psychologist to question her sincerity.

 

[Troy]

12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You don't have to be a trained psychologist to question her sincerity

Are you 100% sure? If so, are you willing to base that certainty on a couple of videos and George Stephanopoulos?
 

All I’m saying is you might be right, but you might also be wrong.  Likely wrong given the bias of the media and generations of conditioning to see Black woman as irrationally angry,

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

Ofcourse I'm not 100% sure.
I'm not even 75% sure, lol.

More like 60%.....as in being more inclined to believe it WAS intentional than it was not based on the factors I laid out above.
But it could have been purely accidental.

 

As far as the media conditioning people to see Black women as irrationally angry.
Most AfroAmerican men don't need the "media" to convince us that many of our sistaz get irrationally angry from time to time to the point of getting violent.
Many of us has seen it first hand enough times to know, lol.
 

Tyler Perry got rich promoting Madea movies that parody the anger and aggression so many AfroAmerican women are notorious for.

[aka Contrarian]

On 3/13/2025 at 10:25 AM, Troy said:

...Seriously, here is the scenario:

A teenager accidently hits another teenager with her baton during a track meet. No one is seriously injured. Someone posts the video online exclaiming, "Black Girl Clobbers Another Black Girl with Baton During Track Meet." The video goes viral.

@Troythat's not exactly the scenario!

 That's your sanitized version of it in an attempt to ennoble your righteous indignation which includes your obvious bias in portraying the offender and her crocodile tears  as a sympathetic wrongfully accused victim, while dismissing the victim as somebody pretending to be seriously hurt.

And you obviously are  cluessless when it comes to how belligerent and competitive  girls of any race, at that age, can be toward each other. The "Mean Girl" syndrome. could certainly have been a factor here. 

The way I see it, the baton wielder deliberately hit the other runner because she apparently felt this rival  was crowding  her and pushing her way into her lane. So, of course, in the year 2025, what  does one do in a situation like that? . Resort to any means necessary to achieve a victory!

I say all of this to say that I reject your scolding and  shaming of those who have no problem with this event going viral nor do I  think this case has anything to do with race!

 

 I could make a case attributing this incident and the attention it received to  the "Trump Effect", the  "I-will not-lose" stance  that is becoming common, and the response we  surely would have witnessed had that orange SOB lost the election. No way would the Republican election deniers  have gone quietly.

 

This incident involving 2 runners in a competitive race is a microcosm of   Trump's January 6th reaction to Biden beating him. The weapon he used, however, was an angry  mob demonstrating their denial of defeat.

Looking at this  through a different perspective could be what motivated the media to focus on the trickle down  refusal-to- play-fair-mentality that Trump and his ilk  have made acceptable.

I think placing all of this within the context of race is an over reaction.

As some one who unapologetically watches morning shows and visits social media, I can attest to the plethora of negative horrendous  stories that go viral are about white folks.

 

 

On 3/13/2025 at 10:25 AM, Troy said:

 

[umbrarchist]

Is this a cultural problem, maybe more so in the United States, with this constant compete, Compete, COMPETE?

 

When I was in college an instructor walked in the first day and said he was giving out 2 A's and 4 B's. Hadn't taught shit! And my senior yr in highschool I watched this White boy cry in class because he got a B.

 

A friend in high school who was on the track team said the coach told him to ask me if I wanted to join because he watched me during PE class. No way Jose! I couldn't put up with it. I got straight D's in religion.

 

That is part of why I ended up not laughing at that White boy. He had to have spent hours and hours and hours doing idiotic religion assignments to get straight A's in EveryThing!

 

Is this society driving some people Nuts?

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[ProfD]

IMO, competition is a good thing. Iron sharpens iron.

 

One *problem is when folks don't know how to lose and/or accept defeat.

 

Parents and coaches should be teaching sportsmanship to those who compete in sports and other activities. 

 

Another *problem* is that too many folks live vicariously through competitors which leads to additional stress.

 

I've seen parents who may or may not have been accomplished get beside themselves in trying to *encourage* children to win.

 

Some adults have gone so far as to do stupid stuff to include fighting at children's sporting events.

 

I don't believe in giving out participation trophies either. There's only winners and losers.

 

Losers go back to the woodshed. Train harder. Come back better. Rinse and repeat.

[Pioneer1]

umbrarchist

 

As is often the case, ProfD beat me to it.....lol.

 

There's nothing wrong with HEALTHY competition.
It actually progresses a person and society in general, which is one of the reasons the United States is such a wealthy and prosperous nation today.

I'd go as far as to say JEALSOUSY and ENVY also play key roles in developing people...especially men...and making them better and more prosperous in the long run IF....IF...IF...these emotions are channeled correctly.

 

I just told ProfD a story about how back in the day when I didn't have a car....being jealous/envious of seeing (or was I merely imagining ???) another man with the girl I wanted FORCED me to get a car and eventually get her.

If I hadn't been envious and forced to compete with another man, it probably would have been a year or years before I got another vehicle AND I probably wouldn't have gotten that particular girl at all.

 

 

ProfD

One *problem is when folks don't know how to lose and/or accept defeat.

Facts
Not only do you live another day, but you should LEARN from your mistake.
......even if the only thing you learn is what NOT to do.
 

You can learn something from ANYBODY; even a crack head laying on the street.

Even if it's learning what NOT to do in life, by watching him.
 

Hey PD,
umbrarchist's story about the White boy reminds me of one Neely Fuller Jr. used to tell about "Brian", the White guy with the microscope...lol.

Do you remember that one?

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Hey PD,
umbrarchist's story about the White boy reminds me of one Neely Fuller Jr. used to tell about "Brian", the White guy with the microscope...lol.

Do you remember that one?

I don't recall that particular NF Jr.s story. He could spin them though.

[Pioneer1]

 
ProfD

It's not an actual event but more of a proverbial story he gives from time to time to illustrate the difference between the way a lot of White men think vs how a lot of Black men think and why White men ended up running the world.

He says while Black men are bunched up getting ready to go out and drink, party, and bullshit....they walk pass a room and see a White man named "Brian" sitting at a desk looking through a microscope:

Black men:  Hey Brian, what are you doing?
Brian: Examining a grain of sand that was found at the bottom of the ocean.
Black men: Man let's go out and party and have some fun.  Put the work away!
Brian: No thank you, I'm just fine
Black men:  Well, don't you want to have fun though?
Brian: I am having fun....examining this grain of sand from the bottom of the ocean.  That's fun to me.
Black men:  But why?  Why are you examining a grain of sand anyway????
Brian: Because it's THERE.  If it's THERE it must be there for a reason.  I'd like to find out.

He tells that story from time to time.
A lot of people don't get it, but I got it the very first time I heard it because it's something I've observed in a lot of White people since childhood.
Many of them actually LOVE knowledge and want to know shit.  They brag about it.
They seek it....and more.

On the other hand, many of our people brag about being stupid and ignorant.  
You act intelligent around them or like you know something and some of them will get angry with you,
"Man...that nigga thank he know everythang."

Not only do they dislike knowledge, they dislike those who HAVE knowledge.

Like Chris Rock said in his stand up routine, nothing makes a nigga happier than to stand there and tell you he DON'T know something........

 

 

[ProfD]

17 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

 ProfD

It's not an actual event but more of a proverbial story he gives from time to time to illustrate the difference between the way a lot of White men think vs how a lot of Black men think and why White men ended up running the world.

He says while Black men are bunched up getting ready to go out and drink, party, and bullshit....they walk pass a room and see a White man named "Brian" sitting at a desk looking through a microscope:

Gotcha. That proverbial story ties back to one of NF Jr.'s themes about how Black men should only gather to solve problems. No partying & BS.

[aka Contrarian]

Well, Neely Fuller is dead and his trite advice unheeded.  What rivals are dealing with in the present, is what Steve Bannon, one of Donald Trump's devious cohorts actually admitted. It has nothing to do with traditional  platitudes about being inspired to do better after a defeat. It has to do with acquiring the power to declare yourself the winner no matter what the outcome is; to repeat a lie often enough to make others believe its  actuality. A tactic at the core of Trumpism. False assertions  are currently called "factoids" and are assertions that distort the truth. (Not surprising, teenage girls aren't above being in denial about things.)

Lying, of course, is nothing new. but aided and abetted by Artificial Intelligence,  "it is won't be what it is" in the future.

If they don't become extinct themselves, Black men, who rarely deal with actuality because so many of them are too  busy shuckin and jivin and objectifying women, - will be right at home amidst the phony dystophic world of tomorrow. zzzzzz

[umbrarchist]

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Black men:  But why?  Why are you examining a grain of sand anyway????
Brian: Because it's THERE.  If it's THERE it must be there for a reason.  I'd like to find out.

When I was at IBM one of my White coworkers asked me why I wanted a computer at home.  I was 26 at the time and he must have been late 40s I would guess.

 

It was not powerful enough to do much with. I was using it to understand computers.

[Quote]You act intelligent around them or like you know something and some of them will get angry with you,
"Man...that nigga thank he know everythang."[/quote]

Even get mad and want to fight.

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[ProfD]

On 3/19/2025 at 12:36 PM, aka Contrarian said:

Well, Neely Fuller is dead and his trite advice unheeded.  What rivals are dealing with in the present, is what Steve Bannon, one of Donald Trump's devious cohorts actually admitted. It has nothing to do with traditional  platitudes about being inspired to do better after a defeat. It has to do with acquiring the power to declare yourself the winner no matter what the outcome is; to repeat a lie often enough to make others believe it's  actuality. A tactic at the core of Trumpism. False assertions  are currently called "factoids" and are assertions that distort the truth.

Right.  Everything Project 2025 aims to do is a power grab and reshaping of America of epic proportion.

 

Neely Fuller Jr. checked out before having to witness the system of racism white supremacy on steroids.

 

if Black folks were powerless before now, the best prayers may not stop the incoming tsunami of white nationalism and supremacy.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Neely Fuller came and dropped knowledge and guidance for us for over 60 years.
Some of us heeded it, some of us didn't....but he certainly did his job.

He raised up out of here before the other shoe dropped....lol

[Chevdove]

On 3/12/2025 at 6:56 PM, Troy said:

Here too GMA is feeding the algorithm and debasing their content to get more viewers.  Look, someone getting hit over the head with a stick is simply not newsworthy.   

 

This kind of story in the past would probably be a good topic for a talk show, something you might see on a Dr. Phil show!

So, yes, I can understand your disdain!

Now today, these kind of stories get picked up by big news agencies perhaps because they know how to grab small stories that may invoke public opinion and so, they push these kind of incidences and help them stay afloat. 

 

 

On 3/13/2025 at 11:25 AM, Troy said:

A teenager accidently hits another teenager with her baton during a track meet. No one is seriously injured. Someone posts the video online exclaiming, "Black Girl Clobbers Another Black Girl with Baton During Track Meet." The video goes viral.

 

 

LOL! Really!?

 

 

On 3/16/2025 at 9:40 PM, Pioneer1 said:

You don't have to be a trained psychologist to question her sincerity.

 

Absolutely. 

 

On 3/17/2025 at 6:24 PM, aka Contrarian said:

 

And you obviously are  cluessless when it comes to how belligerent and competitive  girls of any race, at that age, can be toward each other. The "Mean Girl" syndrome. could certainly have been a factor here. 

 

Thank you! 

Even though people can spend this into a racial issue and highlight some historical comparisons, this kind of behavior happens in any race.

 

 

[Chevdove]

I vaguely remember a similar situation that went viral last year, and it was not as bad as Kerrigan, the ice skater being hit by Hardin's hit man. 

It was probably on the lines of this viral video.

It was also about high school students.

I can't remember the story completely, but it went viral and was picked up by big news agencies.

 

It involved a girl that was knocked out and had a concussion. Because the girl that hit her was Black, the story blew up. 

I vaguely remember that the Black girl was targeted as the perpetrator, but later, it was brought out that the White girl was one of the instigators and the situation

swelled to a street brawl. And all because the Black girl knocked out the White girl, the story blew up and the Black girl became cast as the perpetrator. 

 

So, the fact that this story went viral and was picked up by GMA seems like what is happening today with stories that would have been aired on a Dr. Phil show in the past. 

So, perhaps, if the 'small' cameras are there to film these kind of incidences in a 'small' community and ends up going viral on a social media site, then big news agencies see this as a good human conflict that they can also benefit from picking up as well. Today, this seems to be happening a lot.

 

Freedom of speech and opinion cannot be controlled as it has been in the past by bigger agencies now, and so I suppose they have decided to capitalize on these kinds of stories since they cannot control popular opinion on a smaller scale anymore. 

 

I remember another story at a college campus where a drunk girl insulted another student working at a night desk and, had it not been for social media, the victim would have been completely ignored and dubbed the villain. The victim, in the past, would have been told that her story was not newsworthy, but today, this girl was supported as being completely victimized. So, I suppose, it's a matter of public opinion in some cases and these kind of stories, may or may not get news coverage. I think the college was in Kentucky and there was a 'small' camera that happened to roll on the incident. 

 

[aka Contrarian]

Just recently as yesterday, ABC's "Good Morning, America" devoted about 10 minutes to a video showing 2 boys from  opposing all-white hockey teams getting into a brawl that disrupted the game, with parents also getting involved. The discussion focused on  how parents are the biggest culprits in these kind of disputes and portrayed them as the villains because they think the coaching is lax or biased.

I really don't believe the media intentionally allows race to be a factor in what goes viral. Whether or not the videos are bizarre seems to be the determining factor.

 

The  local newscasts in Chicago frustrate me because they seem to be very reluctant to show pictures of perpetrators when reporting crimes. The only way i can tell if they're black or not is by the names or the neighborhood where the offenses occur.

Recently, swarms of youngsters have been roaming the streets of Chicago's down town  "Loop" area, harassing people, vandalizing stores and damaging cars. The media won't film them close up but they appear to be black or Hispanic kids. 

Since I've divorced the black race, and only associate myself with my "tribe", I don't blindly defend niggas anymore. They is beyond hope. So, shoot me.

My tribe consists of slave descendants who, when it comes to Blacks, think like me and at this point there are only about 10 people left in it. Nor do we have much use for white people, especially the MAGA  Retrumpicans! Hispanics, Asians, and  NIGERIANS are also disposable. We only claim those who represent our philosophical approach, and our discriminating rationales. 

 

Not to worry. We will soon become extinct.

 

Shout out to Senator CORY BOOKER!

[Troy]

A fight during a hockey game seems typical.

 

The parents getting involved is more interesting   but it still does not rise to being worthy of national news coverage, as it is not uncommon for parent to fight during their kids games (sadly).  I could certainly see it going viral as this is perfect fodder for social media.  Especially if wigs are getting snatched off...

 

18 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

media won't film them close up but they appear to be black or Hispanic kids. 

 

Are you sure the video is media coverage or surveillance footage which will naturally be of lower quality. 

 

Race is always a factor with media coverage.  I wish it weren't, but it always is.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

A fight during a hockey game seems typical.

Definitely a part of the sport.

1 hour ago, Troy said:

 

The parents getting involved is more interesting   but it still does not rise to being worthy of national news coverage, as it is not uncommon for parent to fight during their kids games (sadly). 

I believe overly emotional parents who get into fistfights at kids games are failed athletes living vicariously through their children.

[Troy]

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

I believe overly emotional parents who get into fistfights at kids games are failed athletes living vicariously through their children.

if you start a brawl with another parent you are not a failed athlete. You’re just a failed human being. Parents can often be the worst when it comes to their kids and  sports.

[Chevdove]

On 4/4/2025 at 10:28 AM, Troy said:

Race is always a factor with media coverage.  I wish it weren't, but it always is.

 

I agree but it may not be intentional though. 

When I think about a conflict covered about hockey, and even before I watch the video, my mind automatically thinks that it's going to be a brawl that involves White parents over their kids and most of the times, that is what happens. 

 

 

[frankster]

I agree with @Troy here it may not be Intentional

I Think it is not Intentional or Deliberate but action taken in the heat of the Moment or as pepe Le Pew would say " Faute Passionnelle"....

For it to be intentional or deliberate one most prove that she planned to do it before the race began with the idea of causing harm on purpose.

After all Mike Tyson did something similar to Evander Holyfield in the spur of the moment too....shyte happens

Is she at fault of course.

[Pioneer1]

On 4/7/2025 at 5:40 AM, frankster said:

I agree with @Troy here it may not be Intentional

I Think it is not Intentional or Deliberate but action taken in the heat of the Moment or as pepe Le Pew would say " Faute Passionnelle"....

For it to be intentional or deliberate one most prove that she planned to do it before the race began with the idea of causing harm on purpose.

After all Mike Tyson did something similar to Evander Holyfield in the spur of the moment too....shyte happens

Is she at fault of course.

 

Wait wait HOLD UP!

"Action taken in the heat of the moment"????

Man, you don't have to PLAN an attack on somebody for it to be considered deliberate or intentional.
All you have to do is INTEND to do it....even if it's just a split second before you act.

Btw....
Even if Mike Tyson "snapped" as he famously said and bit off a chunk of Evander's ear in the spur of the moment, don't forget that he SPIT OUT HIS MOUTH PIECE before biting him, which proves forethought and intention.
 

[ProfD]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Even if Mike Tyson "snapped" as he famously said and bit off a chunk of Evander's ear in the spur of the moment, don't forget that he SPIT OUT HIS MOUTH PIECE before biting him, which proves forethought and intention.

Right. That young lady did the same thing with her baton:

 

 

She went upside the other runner's head intentionally.

[Chevdove]

On 4/7/2025 at 5:40 AM, frankster said:

shyte happens

Is she at fault of course.

 

Yes, whether or not she feels in her heart that it was not intentional, she did hit the other girl hard enough to the point she was hurt and stopped her endeavor to race. 

And then after the race, she did not even go back and make apologies for the 'supposed unintentional hit'. 

Bad sportsmanship in that regards imo. 

 

12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Man, you don't have to PLAN an attack on somebody for it to be considered deliberate or intentional.
All you have to do is INTEND to do it....even if it's just a split second before you act.

 

Yes! 

 

Hitting someone deliberately and intentionally is what courts have to decide in cases all the time and then add it the question;

was it premeditated?

 

She did not premeditate on that act, imo because I don't even think that she had any earlier conflicts with her. 

But when that other girl ran up on her and and had that much power to pass her, well that was amazing, and as a senior and a well decorated runner, she obviously 

was not expecting that! 

 

And YES!!!--I am gong to bring up a racial issue because it has been turning in my mind of another possible scenario;

I wonder what the perpetrator would have done, if it was a White girl that ran up on her and passed her by in close proximity?

Would she have been so angry as to pop her with her baton? Or would she have hit her or found a way to avoid contact?

And she did hit a White runner, then how would the public react? 

 

[frankster]

12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Wait wait HOLD UP!

"Action taken in the heat of the moment"????

Man, you don't have to PLAN an attack on somebody for it to be considered deliberate or intentional.
All you have to do is INTEND to do it....even if it's just a split second before you act.

Btw....
Even if Mike Tyson "snapped" as he famously said and bit off a chunk of Evander's ear in the spur of the moment, don't forget that he SPIT OUT HIS MOUTH PIECE before biting him, which proves forethought and intention.
 

Do you know that she planned the attack before the race began?

Do you know that Tyson planned the attack before the fight?

On the other hand Tonya Harding attack was commissioned intentional deliberate and even premeditated....please note the difference.

[Troy]

Has anyone here actually ever held a track baton?  these things weigh like two or 3 ounces— atypical cell phone weighs more than twice as much! I don’t buy for one second that the girl was concussed by a 3 ounce thick through all that hair while she was running away from the impact is physically impossible.

 

This whole situation has been exaggerated so that media companies can get eyeballs for advertisements. That is all this is. (I don’t know why the font increased. There are quite a few bugs using this software from a cell phone.)

[Chevdove]

15 hours ago, Troy said:

This whole situation has been exaggerated so that media companies can get eyeballs for advertisements. That is all this is.

 

I believe you partially because you know what goes on behind the scenes. 

But in this case, it may be other factors too that led to it being a viral news story.

15 hours ago, Troy said:

Has anyone here actually ever held a track baton?  these things weigh like two or 3 ounces— atypical cell phone weighs more than twice as much! I don’t buy for one second that the girl was concussed by a 3 ounce thick through all that hair while she was running away from the impact is physically impossible.

 

LOL Now wait-a-minute!

 

She did not run away from the impact! 

She completely bowed out of the race and fell to the ground. 

I asked someone who ran track and was told that baton was solid.

She absolutely fell out of the race. 

That senior whacked her really hard. 

 

Maybe it was a slight concussion but hair or no hair, it was not like she wore a helmet.

Also, the diagnosis was perhaps based on lab work and possibly some type of imaging, if so, then I find it hard to believe that a medical doctor

would give a false diagnosis if lab works were performed. 

 

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

Do you know that she planned the attack before the race began?

 

It doesn't matter.

She committed the attack anyway.

 

 

Do you know that Tyson planned the attack before the fight?

 

It doesn't matter, he spit out his mouth piece....he planned it before he did it, that's for sure.

 

 

On the other hand Tonya Harding attack was commissioned intentional deliberate and even premeditated....please note the difference.

 

And in those notes...
Please explain why it even matter?
 

All 3 were intentional, regardless of the planning involved.

Have you ever went to the store and bought something you didn't PLAN on buying?

But you still bought it.
Not by mistake...but on purpose and deliberately.

[Troy]

16 hours ago, Chevdove said:

She did not run away from the impact

what I mean to say is that the girl was in motion away from the swinging baton it was not like she was standing still where the impact would’ve been worse.

 

16 hours ago, Chevdove said:

I asked someone who ran track and was told that baton was solid.

was this someone who ran track and field in the 21st century?  I have never seen a solid baton. I’m sure the ones the girls were using were hollow. You can see descriptions of them on the web.

 

as far as a medical doctor line about a diagnosis. I don’t know if a medical doctor actually made one. It has been several weeks since I watched the videos in this conversation, but I don’t remember a medical doctor claiming concussion. I think it was one of the news readers saying that the girl was concusseD.