Him?????

[Chevdove]

Serena is charming and it seems to me that her husband dotes over her and gives her the respect that she deserves.

When Kendrick Lamar ask her to support his efforts, she came running--literally! She has shown her support for 

her people. Leave her alone! 

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

If she wants a ring and Black men don't come through with it...she will be happy with the man who does.
 

Maybe it's not the RING that she actually wants.
Maybe it's a White man.
Maybe it's mixed children.

I said MAYBE.....because I don't know for sure one way or the other.


 

Women don't have to marry them though. There must be something ielse in it for them.
 

Thus my thread about "mejorando la raza" and the desire to leave one's own race or ethnicity for one PERCEIVED to be better.

I'm not saying this is the case with Serena.
However we've all known Black people who vocally express their fondness for light skinned babies with curly or wavy hair or what they call "pretty" babies.
And I've known some...male and female...who purposefully and shamelessly decided to mate with White and non-Black people TO produce those type of offspring.
 

Fuck tangibles.
That alone.....being "closer" to Whiteness....is what they really value more than wealth!
 

Tired of giving up the snatch box for fun without a commitment.
 

Some women DON'T get tired of it though, lol.
There are many here in the United States, but in Canada and Europe there a LOT of women past 40 who have never been married and have no desire to.  They just want to date and remain single OR alone.
As you rightly pointed out, they don't need a man to be happy.
 

A lot of women are about that life and not about "making deals" with the coochie...lol.
That's a mentality that comes from being brought up to believe you SHOULD get married or make a man "work" for sexual access to your body.
In some countries, that mentality isn't as prevalent.



 

Over time, for any number of reasons, it takes more than s8x to sustain a long-term relationship
 

Facts.
However, as we discussed before....many women AREN'T looking for a long term relationship.

 

 

 

 

Some men believe it is their right to have s8x with a woman of any group. 

 

I believe in America it IS a man's right.
Not his right to FORCE himself on any woman, but his right to BE with any unmarried woman who desires to be with him.

And the same for the women.

That doesn't mean I have to LIKE it though, lol.

 

 

Grown azz women are not being tricked or manipulated into having s8x with men. 

 

I consider brainwashing and other tactics that White racists use in the media and in society in general to condition the minds of so many women to "love" them and see them as ideal and superior to other men....a form of manipulation.

The very image of a White Jesus as a "savior" is part of that manipulation.

 

 

 

 

 

When you grow up seeing THIS image on your wall and being told how wonderful and great this man is and how he saves you from all of your problems, your subconscious automatically attributes these characteristics to every man who LOOK like him.

You grow up with an automatic love for and faith in White men and don't even know where it comes from.



 

Chev

 

 

21 hours ago, Chevdove said:

You could have chosen so many other pictures that would show him to be much more handsome. LOL.
Leave her alone! 

I know.
But I didn't.....now leave ME alone.......

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Maybe it's not the RING that she actually wants.

Maybe it's a White man.
Maybe it's mixed children.

I said MAYBE.....because I don't know for sure one way or the other.

Right. She's entitled her VGQ...whatever the reason(s) for choices.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

However we've all known Black people who vocally express their fondness for light skinned babies with curly or wavy hair or what they call "pretty" babies.

And I've known some...male and female...who purposefully and shamelessly decided to mate with White and non-Black people TO produce those type of offspring.

That's been hapoening for 100s of years now. Even within our own race. 

 

Burnt chocolate n8gglets chasing high yellow women to have better looking children.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

A lot of women are about that life and not about "making deals" with the coochie...lol.

Women don't make deals with men to whom they're attracted.

 

If a man has to work for it...she's just not that into him.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

However, as we discussed before....many women AREN'T looking for a long term relationship.

Most women would prefer to have a relationship of some kind rather than be alone.

 

Most men want some kind of relationship especially when theyget  old and broken down and need help.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I believe in America it IS a man's right.

Not his right to FORCE himself on any woman, but his right to BE with any unmarried woman who desires to be with him.

And the same for the women.

That doesn't mean I have to LIKE it though, lol.

We know how the laws would be written in Pioneer1-Land.

 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I consider brainwashing and other tactics that White racists use in the media and in society in general to condition the minds of so many women to "love" them and see them as ideal and superior to other men....a form of manipulation.

The very image of a White Jesus as a "savior" is part of that manipulation.

A few folks will go astray but the majority stick with their own race.

 

Several factors go into human attraction beyond shape, size and color.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Right. She's entitled her VGQ...whatever the reason(s) for choices
.

She's entitled to it, but I'm also entitled to CRITIQUE it.

If her way of dealing with racism is to marry a White man OR not deal with it at all, that's her right.
I wouldn't take that away from her.
 

Infact, I'd LIKE to know which women prefer White men over me so I know who I should help and who I shouldn't.
 

I love, protect, and help the women who have MY back.
No hate involved.
Straight up business.


 

That's been hapoening for 100s of years now. Even within our own race. 
Burnt chocolate n8gglets chasing high yellow women to have better looking children
 

It's a sickness that needs to be "conditioned" out of our people with a program of self esteem and self respect.

 

 

Women don't make deals with men to whom they're attracted.

 

Lol....I hear (read) you.
Actually, it depends on HOW attracted they are to the man.

A lot of women will find a man attractive and all she want from him is just his attention and love.
But her friends and family will DEMAND that she get more out of him and that's where the "dealing" often takes place.

 

This is especially true with a lot of women from non-Western cultures where the men are expected to offer a certain amount of provision in exchange for a woman's "love".

 

 

 

Most women would prefer to have a relationship of some kind rather than be alone.

 

Facts.
I would say this is the case with human beings in general both female AND male.

Even if the relationship is strictly platonic or intimate but non-sexual.
We crave that human interaction.

 

 

 

 

 

We know how the laws would be written in Pioneer1-Land

 

Come on man, I've made it clear on a number of occasions that although I DO NOT like White men having sexual contact and loving on White men, I wouldn't prevent it.

 

If I were king and had total authority...I wouldn't make laws against it, lol. 

Why?
Because again, I want to KNOW which women are down for me and other Black men and which ones are not.

I also like the challenge of CHANGING Black women (especially African women) who were infatuated with White men TO falling in love with Black men by showing them a better side of us that what they've been conditioned to believe in the media.

 

I personally don't believe Black men are trying hard enough to overcome the propaganda being formulated against us by their racists.
Especially with regards to foreign women.
Many bruthaz think it's cool to "not care" what other people think about them, not knowing the damage that is being done while they are indifferent to it.

We NEED women.
Not just physically but psychologically....to motivate us to be better.

How motivating is it to hear women of YOUR group calling other races of men "cute",  getting on the internet proclaiming how happy they are to be with them, and even encouraging OTHER women to do the same?

What kind of self-hating madness is that?

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

She's entitled to it, but I'm also entitled to CRITIQUE it.

Right. 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Come on man, I've made it clear on a number of occasions that although I DO NOT like...

 

If I were king and had total authority...I wouldn't make laws against it, lol. 

Gotcha. Understood. 

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We NEED women.
Not just physically but psychologically....to motivate us to be better.

Sure. Gotta kick it with women who are mutually attracted and down with the program.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

How motivating is it to hear women of YOUR group calling other races of men "cute",  getting on the internet proclaiming how happy they are to be with them, and even encouraging OTHER women to do the same?

Don't give them any attention. Treat them like a tax write-off.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What kind of self-hating madness is that?

It is a form of social conditioning. Hard to know whether they were raised that way or picked it up over time.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Don't give them any attention. Treat them like a tax write-off.
 

You can't do that when the chorus is growing and getting louder and louder.
Men aren't built to "ignore" criticism from the women in their community...unless they're gay or asexual.
We are biologically programed to tune in to what they're thinking about us so that we can adjust our behavior for more sexual attention which leads to reproduction.

 

 

It is a form of social conditioning. Hard to know whether they were raised that way or picked it up over time

Both
 

What I've noticed is since the 90s 3 things have been promoted towards our community:

 

1. Promoting the thug and criminal lifestyle as attractive.
2. Promoting White men as a viable alternative for Black women (and pointing to those same thug/criminal Black men as the reason why)
3. Promoting LGBTQIA lifestyle in our community. 

 

All three of these....when taken to their conclusion...leads to the destruction of a community.
And this is exactly what has been promoted since the 90s.

On one end self destructive behavior is being promoted as "ideal" and on the other end that same self destructive behavior is pointed at as the reason why our community is in crisis.
 

These problems are orchestrated.

[ProfD]

4 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You can't do that when the chorus is growing and getting louder and louder.
Men aren't built to "ignore" criticism from the women in their community...unless they're gay or asexual.
We are biologically programed to tune in to what they're thinking about us so that we can adjust our behavior for more sexual attention which leads to reproduction.

As men get older, we choose women for different reasons other than physical needs.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

What I've noticed is since the 90s 3 things have been promoted towards our community:

 

1. Promoting the thug and criminal lifestyle as attractive.
2. Promoting White men as a viable alternative for Black women (and pointing to those same thug/criminal Black men as the reason why)
3. Promoting LGBTQIA lifestyle in our community. 

 

All three of these....when taken to their conclusion...leads to the destruction of a community.
And this is exactly what has been promoted since the 90s.

That form social engineering started back in the 1980s in concert with the drug epidemic.

 

As Black men, we can pinpoint when, where, how and why the problems started.  To date, we have not been able to solve them. 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

As men get older, we choose women for different reasons other than physical needs.

 Is it that men choose women for different reasons OTHER THAN physical needs, or is it that physical needs actually CHANGE?

As you said, a lot of men look for women because they don't want to grow old alone.

I generally prefer women over 40.
However if I hit 80 or 90 and still got some money in my pocket......
Don't put it past me to fly in 4 or 5 tenderonies from Rwanda or Mozambique to give me baths, fix me food, and keep me warm in bed....lol.

 

"At Your Service Big Daddy!"



As Black men, we can pinpoint when, where, how and why the problems started.  To date, we have not been able to solve them.

 

Question:

At what point does the excuse go from being a problem without a solution....to a solution that simply isn't being implemented.

[ProfD]

46 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Is it that men choose women for different reasons OTHER THAN physical needs, or is it that physical needs actually CHANGE?

As you said, a lot of men look for women because they don't want to grow old alone.

Both.

 

Some men are no longer as strong physically. Foelr some, their mentality changes with wisdom.

 

46 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I generally prefer women over 40.
However if I hit 80 or 90 and still got some money in my pocket......
Don't put it past me to fly in 4 or 5 tenderonies from Rwanda or Mozambique to give me baths, fix me food, and keep me warm in bed....lol.

I hope that works out in your favor. If all else fails, they can be pallbearers.

 

46 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Question:

At what point does the excuse go from being a problem without a solution....to a solution that simply isn't being implemented.

I don't believe the problems have been worked on a long time.

 

In fact, I don't believe Black see issues as problems that need to be solved.

 

As Black folks have *made it* within this system over the past several decades, it appears their focus is different.

[Pioneer1]

On 10/9/2025 at 9:06 PM, ProfD said:

 

As Black folks have *made it* within this system over the past several decades, it appears their focus is different.

Although I basically agree with this statement, for the sake of discussion..........

1. Over the past several decades a lot of Black people.....too many....didn't make it.
They aren't here to explain they the system DIDN'T work for them.

2. Many Black folks are still around but are locked up.
This system isn't working too well for them either.


Far more than 20% of Black America is doing fairly well even in this society, however again....for the sake of discussion....if we have a system with only a 20% success rate.....
Meaning only 20% of the population actually LIVE and stays out of prison, and can actually make a living for themselves.
ONLY 20%.
Should we try to keep that system or should we try to build a new one with a higher and more acceptable success rate?
 

[ProfD]

21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

2. Many Black folks are still around but are locked up.
This system isn't working too well for them either.

Why are they locked up?

 

21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Far more than 20% of Black America is doing fairly well even in this society, however again....for the sake of discussion....if we have a system with only a 20% success rate.....
Meaning only 20% of the population actually LIVE and stays out of prison, and can actually make a living for themselves.
ONLY 20%.

More than 20% of the Black population lives and stays out of prison.

 

21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Should we try to keep that system or should we try to build a new one with a higher and more acceptable success rate?

Black folks have had at least a whole century to come up with an alternative to the system of racism white supremacy. 

 

Black folks are unwilling to use violence in order protect themselves against ot overthrow the system of white supremacy.

 

Black folks do not seem interested in practicing group economics and politics in a manner similar to the Jews.

 

Black folks have seemingly found a comfortable spot making it under the system of racism white supremacy.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Why are they locked up?

 

Good question.

I would say various reasons:

-Some are innocent and couldn't afford proper legal representation
-Some are guilty of the crimes they were accused of and should be in
-Some are guilty of the crimes that shouldn't be "crimes" at all

 

But to answer your question directly: 
They are locked up because SOMEBODY locked them up.
Somebody with more power than them.

 

 

Black folks have had at least a whole century to come up with an alternative to the system of racism white supremacy. 

 

And we have.
Not only have our people come up with AN alternative; but through out the centuries we've come up with MULTIPLE alternatives!

 

But there are 2 major problems standing in the way:

1. Those multiple alternatives from multiple people is a sign of the DISUNITY that exists among us and prevents so many of us from choosing the BEST alternative and focusing on it to replace the System of Racism

 

2. The System of Racism has been so strong and dominant that it's been hard to get any alternative system going.
 

 

 

Black folks do not seem interested in practicing group economics and politics in a manner similar to the Jews.

 

They don't seem "uninterested" to me.
They seem VERY interested in how other ethnicities practice group economics.

 

The INTEREST and DESIRE are certainly there.
It's the ABILITY of our people to do the same, that I call into question....for the reasons I stated earlier.
 

 

 

 

Black folks have seemingly found a comfortable spot making it under the system of racism white supremacy

 

What "alternative" do we have, at this point?

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But to answer your question directly: 

They are locked up because SOMEBODY locked them up.
Somebody with more power than them.

Right. That somebody made up rules/laws that were broken. It is downhill for people who transgress.

 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But there are 2 major problems standing in the way:

1. Those multiple alternatives from multiple people is a sign of the DISUNITY that exists among us and prevents so many of us from choosing the BEST alternative and focusing on it to replace the System of Racism

 

2. The System of Racism has been so strong and dominant that it's been hard to get any alternative system going.

#2 has proven to be the most powerful religion on the planet.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The INTEREST and DESIRE are certainly there.

It's the ABILITY of our people to do the same, that I call into question....for the reasons I stated earlier.

In previous dialog, you question the intelligence of Black folks.

 

I still contend that fear of death keep Black folks in check.

 

That is why there is hardly ever a violent protest led by Black folks.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What "alternative" do we have, at this point?

As the late Dick Gregory would say, "it's over...there are no alternatives and nothing Black folks can do" to overthrow the system of racism white supremacy.

 

Brotha Gregory said we can sit back and watch white folks implode on themselves.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Right. That somebody made up rules/laws that were broken. It is downhill for people who transgress.
 

I won't disagree.
However Black people in the United States are in the position that we can actually make and enforce our own laws.
 

The Palestinians are arguably MORE oppressed than Black Americans...at this particular point...yet they have their own police with their own laws.
Nothing is stopping US from developing our own policing organizations and crafting our own laws in certain jurisdictions.


 

In previous dialog, you question the intelligence of Black folks.

I still contend that fear of death keep Black folks in check.
 

If we were intelligent and knowledgeable enough....that fear would dissipate.
 

Have you ever heard of a genius fearing a retarded person?

When you can easily out think your rival/opponent/enemy, fear of them becomes illogical.

 

That is why there is hardly ever a violent protest led by Black folks.
 

You get them from time to time, but like we both say....many Black folks are COMFORTABLE living under this system.
They don't want to protest it because they enjoy it.

Brotha Gregory said we can sit back and watch white folks implode on themselves.
 

Even THAT is a dangerous strategy.
They tried it already back during the first Trump administration, but it didn't implode.
 

It's like a man who's sentenced to triple life in prison and he points to 2 Corrections Officers arguing with eachother as evidence that the prison system is going to "collapse" any day now.
Not realizing how organized not only the prison he's in...is...but how organized the state wide prison system is.

[ProfD]

On 10/14/2025 at 4:58 PM, Pioneer1 said:

However Black people in the United States are in the position that we can actually make and enforce our own laws.

Where in the US can Black folks make their own laws.

 

On 10/14/2025 at 4:58 PM, Pioneer1 said:

The Palestinians are arguably MORE oppressed than Black Americans...at this particular point...yet they have their own police with their own laws.

They have their own land.

 

On 10/14/2025 at 4:58 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Nothing is stopping US from developing our own policing organizations and crafting our own laws in certain jurisdictions.

Again, where are these places in the US?

 

On 10/14/2025 at 4:58 PM, Pioneer1 said:

In previous dialog, you question the intelligence of Black folks.

I still contend that fear of death keep Black folks in check.
 

If we were intelligent and knowledgeable enough....that fear would dissipate.

Intelligence and knowledge won't overcome fear of death. 

 

On 10/14/2025 at 4:58 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Have you ever heard of a genius fearing a retarded person?

A genius doesn't spend much time around an intellectually challenged person.

 

On 10/14/2025 at 4:58 PM, Pioneer1 said:

When you can easily out think your rival/opponent/enemy, fear of them becomes illogical.

White folks have committed enough violence to keep the most intelligent Black foks in fear. 

 

On 10/14/2025 at 4:58 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Brotha Gregory said we can sit back and watch white folks implode on themselves.
 

Even THAT is a dangerous strategy.
They tried it already back during the first Trump administration, but it didn't implode.

Like Shalamar this could be the  2nd time around.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Where in the US can Black folks make their own laws.

 

Anywhere we hold legislative and in some cases executive power
Black people can make our OWN laws and enforce them in places in Michigan, Illinois, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Maryland, D.C., and many other states...

 

 

 

They have their own land.

 

Obviously not, since it's IN the state of Israel and the IDF can come in taking action and seizing property anytime they want.

 

 

 

 

Again, where are these places in the US?

 

Right there in Maryland, to start.

 

 

 

 

Intelligence and knowledge won't overcome fear of death. 

 

The RIGHT kind of knowledge will overcome and rid you of the fear of death in 2 ways:

1. You will know what to do to KEEP FROM dying.
2. You will know what happens to you AFTER you die and how much more wonderful it will be than this Reality.

 

 

 

A genius doesn't spend much time around an intellectually challenged person.

 

True.
Unless they're some sort of health professional or scientist studying or trying to help them.

 

 

 

 

Like Shalamar this could be the  2nd time around.

 

Be careful quoting Shalamar.
Remember in "This Is For The Lover In You", they said:



"This Time....
It's Gonna Last Forever"
 

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Anywhere we hold legislative and in some cases executive power

Black people can make our OWN laws and enforce them in places in Michigan, Illinois, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Maryland, D.C., and many other states...

Yet, Black elected officials are not making laws specifcally to help their own people.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Obviously not, since it's IN the state of Israel and the IDF can come in taking action and seizing property anytime they want.

Israel has a stronger military backed by the USA.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

The RIGHT kind of knowledge will overcome and rid you of the fear of death in 2 ways:

1. You will know what to do to KEEP FROM dying.
2. You will know what happens to you AFTER you die and how much more wonderful it will be than this Reality.

Death is inevitable. Nobody really knows what happens after we die. That's why very few people rush it.

 

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Yet, Black elected officials are not making laws specifcally to help their own people

 

Just them BEING there and occupying that seat....if they aren't directly/indirectly harming our people...is a good thing, even if they haven't made laws specifically for us.

 

 

 

Israel has a stronger military backed by the USA.

 

While this is true, my point was they do NOT have their own land.
The land was taken and is now owned by the state of Israel.

 

 

Death is inevitable. Nobody really knows what happens after we die. That's why very few people rush it

 

Well, thousands of people commit suicide every year in America ALONE.
So a lot of people seem to seek it.

 

You say nobody really knows, yet there are many Spiritualists who claim they DO know and claim to have proven the existence of life after death.
This has been the case for THOUSANDS of years.
There is an ancient book called the Tibetan Book Of The Dead that seems to map out the Soul's journey after physical death instructing it where to go.

[ProfD]

41 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Just them BEING there and occupying that seat....if they aren't directly/indirectly harming our people...is a good thing, even if they haven't made laws specifically for us.

I understand your position in that regard.

 

41 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

While this is true, my point was they do NOT have their own land.

The land was taken and is now owned by the state of Israel.

Israel doesn't own the land. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are returning to their homeland. We'll see how it shakes out post-cease-fire.

 

41 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well, thousands of people commit suicide every year in America ALONE.

So a lot of people seem to seek it.

Right. That's a handful of people out of 335 million.

 

41 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You say nobody really knows, yet there are many Spiritualists who claim they DO know and claim to have proven the existence of life after death.
This has been the case for THOUSANDS of years.
There is an ancient book called the Tibetan Book Of The Dead that seems to map out the Soul's journey after physical death instructing it where to go.

These people are humans too. Can't believe everything they say and/or write. That's how we end up with sky fairies and Santa Claus and sh8t.