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1 hour ago, Mel Hopkins said:

@Pioneer1 I have noticed this - - especially when I was flying and would eat certain foods especially in NY/Houston.  I think it's due firs and foremost to all the added SUGAR. Next,  fish/meat that is genetically engineered or receive genetically modified feed.  Shrimp, fish, such as cod, tilapia, salmon it is usually packaged "farm raised" and it's deadly to them and humans.  The best fish is "wild caught" but it cost more and can be scarce depending on the supermarket.    A lot of packaged foods and breads contain "soy" products which are harmful and HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) - a chemical compound that is used as sweetener but is known to cause liver damage. Oh and again... "SUGAR"!!!

I feel like we're  in the movie "Constant Gardener" where the poor Africans had to give their consent to be "guinea pigs" for pharmaceutical testing or they wouldn't receive health care or food. 

@Del
DGAS = "Don't give a sh*t" ( until we do.)   Exactly!  Ignorance is not knowing ( the state or fact of being ignorant :  lack of knowledge, education, or awareness _)  It's not a bad word. 

I was ignorant to the ways of nature until I moved to the country.  

I haven't heard a lot of people argue their ignorance.  I've mostly heard people argue their perspective of a topic.     

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Mel I actually don't disagree with your quote:

"All are pleasurable to me...but if I'm 100 lbs overweight, obviously being serviced by food is a sign there's psychological distress."   

Perhaps where we may disagree is the source of the "psychological distress." I believe the source to be primary external.

Again, you don't see rampant obesity in upper middle class and wealthy communities.  The reason is not simply one of making better "choices."  Sure if one has plenty of financial resources they can more easy exercise more and better options.  But wealthy people are not targeted by marketers, they way poor people are. 

When you were in this poor neighborhoods, did you notice all the advertisements for anything bad that could be consumed?  In fact, many wealthy communities have rules again putting advertisements in their communities.  Can you image a malt liquor ad on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.  But in East Harlem, which is physically adjacent to the Upper East sides these ads were rampant.

So in my community, many of us kids drank malt liquor.  I suspect if I grew up in a better neighborhood, I probably would not have chosen to drink Ole English 800--at least until the rise of the popularity of gangsta rap (which is a marketer's paradise).

Hey @Delano , you went to prep school, were any of the rich kids drinking 40s of OE?  I suspect they were into more exotic things, huh quality grades of marijuana and the like.

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5 minutes ago, Troy said:

Perhaps where we may disagree is the source of the "psychological distress." I believe the source to be primary external.

Then we don't disagree.

 

6 minutes ago, Troy said:

But wealthy people are not targeted by marketers, they way poor people are. 

Yes they are...but they have more options.  But the wealthy also have other things vying for the attention - I wrote this in a blog based off a discussion created right here. "whose got your ear"  

Do you know the median income in my town is $45K   Do you know within a 5 mile stretch of Fairburn Road - we have 3 supermarkets with one getting ready to join the mix; german company "Lidl" supermarket; going next to chik-fila,   we also have 3 standalone retail pharmacies, 1 apothecary, and that's just to name a few... I live in a majority black town  with black leadership...We 're not a wealthy suburb but the same is true from the wealthy suburb I just moved from  where the median is $131K . 


@Troy I did grow up in East Flatbush, Brooklyn, so I can tell you there were no malt liquor ads in my neighborhood... but my dad drank a lot of beer I just chose not too... Still don't. 
I have my own "drug" it's called sugar but even when that gets the best of me I stop.


Maybe, I'm anomaly but I'm a media junkie, just not influenced by it.

So Troy, I can't say I have seen any outdoor advertising in poor neighborhoods -and I've done quite a few site visits when I work in nonprofit.  OMG I just don't see it. I guess that's insight right there.  Maybe there' something to be said about how our brains our wired and what we're receiving. 

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True, being able to "see" something is in the eye of the beholder.  If you do drugs know where to get it, if you don't you might not even be aware that drugs are so freely available.

The same goes for people who are poor and struggling, we don't see them... I mean really see them. 

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25 minutes ago, Troy said:

The same goes for people who are poor and struggling, we don't see them... I mean really see them. 

I may not see the marketing but I do see people;  this is why I say don't play them/us as victims -  poor people make choices and own their choices.  They may not be the choices you or I would make but that doesn't mean they're not choosing.

I've actually reported on and interview "poor"  people when I lived in West Virginia. Impoverished people are very proud people, many are ashamed to take handouts, some are so religious they think handouts are a sin. 

Being in the trenches with all types of people inspired me to actually go back to service instead of report. That's  when I went back to working nonprofit. I  worked in the Department  of Justice programs as a program specialist working with people who barely had to nickels to rub together and ate their meals at the YWCA soup kitchen.  My job at the USDOJ Weed & Seed program was to inform and coax the stakeholders to use the resources we provided.  That was the most difficult job - so we figured out impoverished folks wanted a hand up not a handout.  We partnered with an organization called SeedTech and brought in a computer classes that I taught.  That's when I got their ear and convinced them to participate in the benefits we were offering to assist. 

Presence makes the difference in the lives of those who are being run over by society.

If you're not in the trenches or never been maybe that's why you don't see them. I do. I got my first full view at 15 1/2  years old as a Salvation Army camp counselor-in-training -worked every summer moving up to full counselor during high school years.  I never lost sight of the plight of those living below the poverty line.

 

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Mel, again you are unique. Some people could never live in poverty despite the odds, their upbringing, or the adversity encountered.  You are one of them.

However, this is simply not true for the great masses of people. 

You are right if you are not present you won't have a clue or have a reason to care.  Furthermore, if you've never lived, and gotten out of it, I think it would be harder to understand too. It is like trying to explain to someone, who never knew the web before social media, why the internet was better before social media--they simply don't have a framework to understand, they can't "see" it. 

@Mel Hopkins, since the conversation is why men cheat, why do you think so many women cheat?  Why do some of these women choose to have babies with men who are already married?  We must all know married men who have had children on the side (ala the play Fences).  The men aren't aren't cheating with themselves.  Why is the cheating always placed at the feet of men, especially Black men?

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1 hour ago, Troy said:

Mel, again you are unique. Some people could never live in poverty despite the odds, their upbringing, or the adversity encountered.  You are one of them.

@Troy, Did you read my "struggle" blog post?  LOL

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

Why is the cheating always placed at the feet of men, especially Black men?

A single woman can't be labeled a cheater because she hasn't taken any vows to uphold anyone's marriage. "homewrecker" , "sideh* " is the extent of the labeling.  I have heard that a single woman can be sued for being party to alienation of affection (common law tort) but even that's difficult.   It has to be proven love existed in the marriage - and if the husband steps out to date another women then chances are he didn't respect or love his wife enough to maintain their covenant.  

I'm sure married women cheat too but I have no experience in that arena.  I've only been approached by married men.

(I didn't see Fences on Broadway or in the theater)

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I went to school with a few wealthy kids. But we didn't hang out or in. All ir most of  the Black, Haitian and Spanish speaking kids all sat at the same table for lunch. There was a white Kid who loved hip hop. And another white kid who sat with us. 

I think Brothers were more into herb and the white kids were more into pills and Acid. Although there was some interracial smoking and drinking. 

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Mel, did you immediately shut down the amorous advances from the married men and make them feel like the cheaters they were? Sorry for the Fences spoiler.  Speaking about Viola Davis she was great in the film, I think you should check it out.

Del, I used to think brothers from the 'hood used to get high until I went to school with white boys for the first time (in case y'all did not know Mel and I graduated from the same HS in the same year).  They had a term "burnt out" that they would apply to kids that were "wasted" all the time.  Interestingly, I did not know any white people my age until HS, they were like unicorns to me.  I heard about them but never saw one, except for on TV.

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12 minutes ago, Troy said:

 

Mel, did you immediately shut down the amorous advances from the married men and make them feel like the cheaters they were?

 

@Troy, anything that goes beyond harmless flirting is greeted with my standard line, "let's ask your wife."

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Very interesting conversation..........

I've been trying to follow it but it's like a Grand Prix race with so many twists and turns...lol.

I know the conversation has moved on past people making bad choices on what to eat but I just want to say...


Mel

You sound like you don't want to hear any excuses for why poor people are obese or make bad decisions.

You also sound like high achiever.

One thing I advise high achievers to understand is that they are EXCEPTIONAL and it's unreasonable for them to expect others to be able to do what THEY did.

If I'm speaking before a city or county board, most of them are highly educated and self driven high achievers.....which is how they got to their positions in the first place.
I tell them that when they make laws or decisions, don't think of THEMSELVES and whether or not THEY will be able to manage and operate under those laws;  but think of less intelligent lower achieving people on the slow end of society.
Because THOSE are going to be the people most impacted by those laws.

I'm saying THAT to say, when people are blessed with high intelligence or a high drive for success......they have a responsibility NOT to expect the same from others, even if it's their own children.

You have to understand that a lot of people CAN'T or WON'T make the correct choices even if you try to tell them and so we need to protect them from their own doom sometimes.

This is why certain drugs are made illegal or regulated to the pharmacy.
Sometimes you have to just take the junk food away and FORCE them to eat right for their own good, because giving them a choice is like giving a loaded gun to a baby to play with.




Troy

I noticed the same thing about a lot of White kids also.
How so many of them used different types of designer drugs to get high.

Infact I heard either Bill Gates or Steve Jobs did acid !

It's interesting.....even suspicious....to me how as much as they claim that drugs destroys the brain, so many White men could get stone drunk every weekend and do so much drugs in college yet still manage to get good grades and become high achievers.

Asian kids have to study night and day to get good grades.
White kids get drunk 5 nights out of the week, take a few pills and drop some visine in their eyes in the morning and...and STILL manage to graduate!

What gives?

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3 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

@Troy, anything that goes beyond harmless flirting is greeted with my standard line, "let's ask your wife."

@Mel What if she said cool?

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4 hours ago, Delano said:

Mel What if she said cool?

@Delano not a clue.  No one has ever asked.  I've actually wanted to see what would happen too.  Some of my married men friends introduced me to their wives earlier on. Those men were about networking and achieving other goals - so often if we were seen out together it was perceived as business. (it was)

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5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You sound like you don't want to hear any excuses for why poor people are obese or make bad decisions.

@Pioneer1 You're correct. Excuses are the tools of the incompetent.   I agree, we make our decisions based on the information we have, but here in America there's nothing preventing us from access to information.  If one has never learned to read - there's a organization out there most likely in the poorest neighborhood to help.

I'm not a high-achiever; I am well-read.  I acquire so much data, I have to set aside  time to process it.  

A high-achiever is someone who has accomplished a lot, to produce a lot for the betterment of society.

For example, someone who has created a process where everyone has clean drinking water; or made it easier for us to communicate and/or share ideals, etc.   I'm not that person. I follow my interests (thanks mom and dad) 

However, we don't live in an nanny-state for a reason.  We, as a society, may capitalize off of what we  believe are poor choices but we don't prevent people from doing what they want.

Pharmaceuticals are heavily regulated and made illegal because Big Pharma has seized up the patents and can't make a huge profit, if "Pookie" is dispensing on the corner. 

FDA don't give an ish about safety... if they did "Hillbilly Heroin" (Oxycontin) wouldn't even be available by prescription. There would be a tracking system in place to make sure abusers  don't go doctor-shopping to get scripts.  In fact, some of the drugs on the market will kill and maim you quicker then a bad batch of smack. 

Our laws have nothing to do with our safety...I spent 7 years in News and when I wanted answers about laws I looked to Trade deals and followed the money trail .

Soda is taxed heavily in some communities but not because of the sugar content - but rather it's a cheap way to get energy.  if it doesn't grow from the ground or have eyes ...then it's nothing more than a 64 oz bottle of soda, packaged in a box.  Even anything should be regulated it should be the sugar producers!

Still, I believe people choose how they want to live their lives.  

I started smoking cigarettes after I got married , and continued smoking well after my divorce.  Then one day, when I was about to do a photo shoot for my black enterprise article, something in my mind said "you don't want to be known as a smoker." (now of course the article was for "Techwatch"  there wasn't going to be any mention of me smoking )  I quit the day before the photo shoot. I haven't picked up a cigarette since. It was my decision. 

No one should be making decisions for another person.  That is unbelievably arrogant.  It is also arrogant to think people don't know what they're doing just because they don't fit into a construct we've built.

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You're well read and a high achiever because you were gifted with the high intelligence to LEARN and PROCESS what you've read and put things into action.
Not everyone has that ability and it's for this reason they shouldn't be allowed to make ANY decision they want.

It may sound arrogant...but it's the TRUTH.

You wouldn't give a 3 year old toddler the right to own and operate a handgun would you?

What about an 11 year old?

What about a 30 year old with the maturity or intelligence level of an 8 year old?

Obviously there are SOME standards and boundaries that shouldn't be crossed.

It's the same with society in general, some people don't have the knowledge or intelligence make correct decisions so you must have others to ensure THEIR safety for them as well as the safety of the public.

I know corruption exists in all levels of government.
They say power tends to corrupt....and "they" weren't lying.

But some decisions have to be taken from the individual for the good of the society because if everyone were allowed to do whatever they wanted to do without interference....there wouldn't BE a society left...lol.


Outside of the safety aspect.............
I think it's a good idea for MOST youth to be guided and somewhat directed at an early age so that their lives can remain safe and stable enough for them to make wise decisions later on as they grow into adulthood.

Look at how high achieving most Africans are when they come here, and look at most Black Americans.
One of the only differences is DISCIPLINE.
Africans come from a society where the youth are FAR MORE disciplined with rules and social customs than our youth and it shows in their educational and occupational performance.

Sometimes too much "freedom" can cause you to destroy yourself.

That's why when people ask me am I for a free society, I say I'm for a "less restricted" society...lol.
A society that is open enough for you to express your creativity and genius, but restricted enough to ensure your safety.


Going back to the topic of this thread:

Why do Black men cheat?

Because they have the FREEDOM to make that choice and choose it.

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I believe that Black men cheat because they want to dominate/conquer something seemingly new.  Women cheat because there's so many gorgeous virile Black men and no one else on Earth compares.  IMO.  As for myself my motto has always been that I have too much love for just one man, but don't tell it to my husband.  For reals y'all.

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6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You wouldn't give a 3 year old toddler the right to own and operate a handgun would you?

What about an 11 year old?

@Pioneer1 you've presented a False analogy ... We're speaking about consenting adults not children who we, as society, have agreed to be still developing mentally, physically and emotionally.  

Mental ability is not a gift, it's an ability we all possess.  Aptitude may vary but mental ability is inherent unless there's some type of mental damage.   Therefore, adults assume the rights to think and choose for themselves.  When they are denied that right, it means some institution has deemed them unfit to participate in society. Period.   Currently the only enforced restrictions that we have, in this society, are to prevent us from infringing on other people's right to pursue life and liberty... as I said  "our laws have nothing to do with our safety."  But I should be clearer.

Speed limits are such laws - they're not enforced so you won't kill yourself, it's enforced so you won't kill others. Same with driving under the influence..again not to protect you, although that's a fringe benefit - but so you won't kill dude over there who is interested in living and with all his body parts intact. 

Now, if you want to kill yourself without taking others with you, well, some states legally allow you the  "right to die" and other states are considering it. 

By the way, speaking of which, I didn't say government is corrupt.  We are the government and make laws to benefit us.  More power, more benefits.

 

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Look at how high achieving most Africans are when they come here, and look at most Black Americans.
One of the only differences is DISCIPLINE.
Africans come from a society where the youth are FAR MORE disciplined with rules and social customs than our youth and it shows in their educational and occupational performance.

@Pioneer1, there goes that "Hate Speech" sneaking in again.... still, I'll overlook the comparison.  According to some Nigerians, and stats that support that claim they're the most educated nationality in the United States among all cultures - including Asians.   The jury is out as to why this is the case. 

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Mel


@Pioneer1 you've presented a False analogy ... We're speaking about consenting adults not children who we, as society, have agreed to be still developing mentally, physically and emotionally. Mental ability is not a gift, it's an ability we all possess. Aptitude may vary but mental ability is inherent unless there's some type of mental damage. Therefore, adults assume the rights to think and choose for themselves. When they are denied that right, it means some institution has deemed them unfit to participate in society. Period.

There are no such things as "false analogies".
An analogy is like a metaphore or hypothetical...the onus is on the THEME not it's reality.

Also, we're talking about SOCIETY IN GENERAL...not just normal adults, consenting adults, emotional stable adults, or any other "perfect image" you may wish to use an an example to illustrate why everyone should be granted the freedom to do whatever the like.

And when we're talking about the general society we MUST include not only children, but mentally incompetent adults, mentally unstable adults, socially immature, handicapped, ect....
Everyone must be taken into consideration when deciding whether or not certain laws should be allowed on the books or whether or not we need a particular service.

I know some people who say we should get rid of all bus, train, and public transportation service.....because they have cars and are able bodied.
They could care less about the person too poor to afford a vehicle, or a person too handicapped to operate one and must rely on public transportation.

We can't just look at society from our own person (and often gifted or priveledged) point of view, but from a WHOLISTIC and COMPREHENSIVE view that encompasses the "least of these".


 

Currently the only enforced restrictions that we have, in this society, are to prevent us from infringing on other people's right to pursue life and liberty... as I said "our laws have nothing to do with our safety." But I should be clearer.

Speed limits are such laws - they're not enforced so you won't kill yourself, it's enforced so you won't kill others.

What about laws that force you to wear a helmet when riding a motor cycle?

What about laws that prevent you from not only selling but USING cocaine and heroin?

Why are people arrested and hospitalized after attempting suicide?
Even in prison people are put on "suicide watch".

Ofcourse there's a lot of bullshit laws that need to be taken off the books, but IN THEORY laws were made to maintain social stability in general whether it's to protect one neighbor from being abused by another or harming their own bodies.

But I do agree with you that IN THEORY government is in our hands and the more power we have the more benefits we stand to gain.....so we shouldn't give away that power.

However as a SOCIETY (not just as a government) we have decided to protect those who can't protect themselves....whether that be from physical or mental/emotional reasons.






Pioneer1, there goes that "Hate Speech" sneaking in again.... still, I'll overlook the comparison. According to some Nigerians, and stats that support that claim they're the most educated nationality in the United States among all cultures - including Asians. The jury is out as to why this is the case.

Well,
Looks like the jury is finished deliberating and just came back with their verdict....lol.

It seems that the Nigerians students have been found guilt of NOT TAKING THE VACCINES that have been pushed on Black American children.
As a result, they have a lower rate of autism and other learning disabilities and are probably much physically healthier too.

 

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7 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

There are no such things as "false analogies".
An analogy is like a metaphore or hypothetical...the onus is on the THEME not it's reality.

In building your syllogism, it contained  logical fallacy  "False Analogy" 

False Analogy

Definition:  In an analogy, two objects (or events), A and B are shown to be similar. Then it is argued that since A has property P, so also B must have property P. An analogy fails when the two objects, A and B, are different in a way which affects whether they both have property P.

As for the rest of your argument, not sure if you read completely through what I've written but I did address the rest of your assumptions. I rest my case.

 

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Mel

As for the rest of your argument, not sure if you read completely through what I've written but I did address the rest of your assumptions. I rest my case.

If your argument was that laws existed to protect both the individual from harming himself as well as harming others BUT the only laws that are actually enforced are those which prevent others from being harmed, then again:

Seat belts laws are ENFORCED.....even if you're the only person in the car and would be the only person to get hurt.

Helmet laws are ENFORCED.....even if you're the only one who stands to get hurt on a motorcycle

If somone attempts suicide they are LOCKED UP....even though they showed no evidence of wanting to harm anyone else.

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26 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Mel

As for the rest of your argument, not sure if you read completely through what I've written but I did address the rest of your assumptions. I rest my case.

If your argument was that laws existed to protect both the individual from harming himself as well as harming others BUT the only laws that are actually enforced are those which prevent others from being harmed, then again:

Seat belts laws are ENFORCED.....even if you're the only person in the car and would be the only person to get hurt.

Helmet laws are ENFORCED.....even if you're the only one who stands to get hurt on a motorcycle

If somone attempts suicide they are LOCKED UP....even though they showed no evidence of wanting to harm anyone else.

Having done the research before I wrote my response I stand by what I've written. 

Once you do your own research on why the laws were enacted - then my answer will make sense to you. 

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Interesting.  Actually, I'm a little grossed out. I've never seen this ad.  The title next to the ad is perfect ;-)

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Lol....
I'm not grossed out by it, not in the least.

I've always loved "mature" or older women and found them attractive.
Even when I was a teenager I was trying to "get up on" women in their 40s, and got angry if they didn't take me seriously......lol.

Infact I met a 71 year old woman the other day I that I was trying to hook up with....lol.

 

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Guest aSexual

I 100% disagree that sex is some sort of biological urge or imperative.

 

I am a 37 year old man and I have never had sex. I don’t think about it and have no desire to seek it out. I am not morally opposed to it but would never initiate it and can’t imagine that I will ever want to.

 

The requisite exchange of bodily fluids and skin cells seems unsanitary at best and leads to disease and unwanted pregnancies at worst. I don’t judge others who do have sex and I am glad that so many people enjoy it... but not everyone does.

 

I foresee a time in the future when physical copulation will be unnecessary for procreation and seen as a primitive activity best left to the animal kingdom.

 

There are many asexual men and women in the world. Like me, some are simply indifferent and can take it or leave it but others are repulsed by it and actively avoid it.

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Thanks for sharing your perspective aSexual.  We hear so much about the transgender, gender non-conforming, gay, hetero, etc we never talk about asexuals. I'm sure there are more than a handful of you out there.  I know many people have simply opted out of having sex for any number of good reasons and don't miss it.

 

I suspect however if you engaged in the activity, with an open mind, with someone sufficiently skilled, you may change your mind :wub:

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Asexual

I 100% disagree that sex is some sort of biological urge or imperative.


Actually, sex IS a biological urge....for most people.
It's just not for YOU.

But for most people it's the 2nd most powerful urge....just under survival.

It's important that we make that distinction so as not to project our personal situation on others.

But I've often talked about the 4 major groups of human sexuality, on this site and others as well as talks I've given in real life where the subject comes up.

Heterosexuality.
Homosexuality.
Bisexuality.
Asexuality.

Most people seem to forget about the A-sexuality because they don't believe someone can be asexual.



Troy


I suspect however if you engaged in the activity, with an open mind, with someone sufficiently skilled, you may change your mind


I don't know the poster Asexual, but I suspect that if he's a TRUE asexual...this still wouldn't work.

Expecting ANY sexual encounter to turn him would be like a gay man expecting to "turn out" a straight man by promising him spectacular sex.....lol.

He's just not wired to receive it.

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On 11/05/2017 at 9:53 AM, Mel Hopkins said:


I haven't heard a lot of people argue their ignorance.  I've mostly heard people argue their perspective of a topic.     

Perhaps Pioneer can shed some light on this for you.

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Yes of course you are right about "turning" an asexual. Indeed as he suggested he'd be grossed out by the encounter.  I was merely joking.  

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On 11/7/2017 at 4:15 PM, Guest aSexual said:

foresee a time in the future when physical copulation will be unnecessary for procreation and seen as a primitive activity best left to the animal kingdom.

 

Guest Asexual ,

Humans are  mammals of the animal species. And as humans we are far behind the rest of the animals... According to this article there are a few animals that are asexual and already producing on their own.   

And if we humans did reproduce without sex - men would eventually become extinct.   Virgin births  (parthenogenesis) in human animals would only produce female humans.    This becomes life-threatening and risky for women - especially for men who prefer not to die off.   

So as a woman who has given birth to women... YOUR utopia  is MY  nightmare.  

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Del

Perhaps Pioneer can shed some light on this for you


Might as well.....
My views on repressed or latent homosexuality and bisexuality may be the VERY thing you've been searching for in life.

There might be a "Della" trapped inside of you waiting to break free and express herself....lol.


 

 


Troy

My bad, I didn't realize you were joking.

A lot of people ARE serious when they say that....I know I was when I used to tell people that.
I used to even hit on lesbian women with the intention of "turning" them straight with good sex, lol.




 

Mel

I don't see how an animal that reproduces by itself is considered an "advancement".
Especially if they can't control that reproduction and it happens spontaneously.

Seems more like a nusance or even what some would consider a "curse"....having to give birth with little self control over when and how many times.

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On 11/8/2017 at 10:42 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Seems more like a nusance or even what some would consider a "curse"....having to give birth with little self control over when and how many times.

 

@Pioneer1 Not sure where you got that information.  It seems the other animals and reptiles can control when they get pregnant. And Komodo Dragons can decide whether to give birth to males or females through  parthenogenesis. 

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Pioneer you and i rarely agree. It is unlikely that you will have information that I have been searching for my whole life. I am more interested in how things are related or connected. 

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Del

It is unlikely that you will have information that I have been searching for my whole life


You got THAT right....lol.

Arrogant people who brag about flying to Europe to eat cheese and chocolates in old museums probably don't search for ANY type of information.....because they usually think they KNOW everything already!

 

 


But I read somewhere years ago that in some ancient cultures the "shaman" and most psychic people were often bisexual or homosexual.

They occupied the role of what many would consider today the "priestly class".
Men and women who didn't get married and produce children, but just dedicated their lives to spiritual matters.
Being bisexual, homosexual, or even asexual......joining this class was probably a way out of having to get married and produce a family which was what almost all normal men and women were expected to do.

 

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Insult my previous post all you want......
But I'm probably one of the FEW people who understood what YOU just posted....lol.


 

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