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@Delano, maybe i missed something - but I thought this graph was indicating co2 emission is not related to  global warming because it didn't track with the rise in temperature?  and the charts are showing something else is in play? 

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Del, the definition of what you wrote about my response was "dismissive." Why do you get away with being dismissive?

Del you understand is statistics, no one has disputed it all called that into question, what I've called into question is your knowledge about climate, a subject you have neither asserted, or demonstrated, detailed knowledge of.  Am I wrong about that?

Statistics is a tool, like a hammer, nothing more. Understanding how to use a hammer does not make you an architect.

You wrote, "...35 years of temperature is NOT climate." Who said it was? There are places on the earth where temperatures are going down. The average global temperature can be misleading. The problem is the global climate is changing more rapidly than it normally would and the best minds in the world the cats who study and understand the science, better than you I'm sure, say that it is because of man's activity.

Now I'm sorry if I've offended you because I say the scientists who study the subject know a lot more than you. I'm stating a fact, if facts offend you I'm sorry to learn that.  Again this is a surprising revelation.

Please answer this question: Why @Delano, do you believe you know more about the causes of climate change than the preponderance of Ph.D.s whose profession it is to understand this stuff?  Keep in mind, a keen understanding of statistics is insufficient reason for these guys now statistics too.

Del (everyone) please reply to the climate change digression in this new conversation. (Thanks)

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What Am I asking is to look at the data and use your reasoning ability. You are ability to formulate your own opinion is not in contradistinction to experts. By being able to think either critically or analytically you can understand expert opinion on a deeper level. For Instance being a trained musician will deepn your appreciation for Music. Does it mean you have to like Miles Davis, Prince , Beethoven or Mozart. No you can dislike them but still appreciate their canon of work.

I am annoyed because there are experts in various fields that hire statisticians to interpret their data. Is the statiscian that analyzes medical data capable of surgery, not unless they were a surgeon to begin with. Can they discuss the data and it's implication. Yes provided they have some knowledge. I'll tell you a funny story. I was talking with a doctor. I beleive he was a psychologist or psychiatrist and he was doing some statistical analysis. I said cool it is my hobby. I started asking him some question he had no idea about what I was talking about. He is a person that is using statistics , and at the time I was working on a project.

Look at each graph and simply write what you think it says. That is all I am asking. To think about information that is being presented. The scientist aren't even presenting data. They are saying we looked and this is the answer. I always like to look at the source data they are quoting, so I can think about what it means.

 

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@Troy I am not dismissing you. I am encouraging you to think. Which implies that I think you are capable of doing so. Yet you seem resistant. Perhaps I am wrong in my assessment of you.

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On 2017-6-18 at 9:23 AM, Mel Hopkins said:

@Delano, maybe i missed something - but I thought this graph was indicating co2 emission is not related to  global warming because it didn't track with the rise in temperature?  and the charts are showing something else is in play? 

Looking at the temperature anamoly notice that up until the 1980's its up and down. Then on the 80's it increases consistently. 

 

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"Well Brother Farrakhan has atleast 2 million witnesses who can  prove that his mission to organize a million Black men to march on Washington in 1995 was ACCOMPLISHED."

Oh really? And what exactly did he accomplish? It's been more than twenty years since his so-called Million Man March, and Negroes are still mired in a quagmire of high unemployment, illegitimacy and fatherless homes, being the last in every single category of academic achievement, first in homicide (victims of other Negroes) which is the number one cause of death for black males 18-35, incarcerations being the norm, the negative perception and low expectation of black people by non-blacks is still unwavering, etc, etc. So, what was the outcome? What tangible and verifiable information do you have have that Farrakhan has minimized or eliminated the aforementioned? Wasn't that the purpose of his organizing, reaching out and effectively changing all what I mentioned though the alleged million men who showed up to hear him?  Bottom line: How has the overhaul quality of life for the American Negro changed since the vaunted Farrakhan Million Man March?

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@Xeon, I'm not attempting to speak for Pioneer, but given what you wrote;

“Negroes are still mired in a quagmire of high unemployment, illegitimacy and fatherless homes, being the last in every single category of academic achievement, first in homicide (victims of other Negroes) which is the number one cause of death for black males 18-35, incarcerations being the norm, the negative perception and low expectation of black people by non-blacks is still unwavering, etc, etc.”

assuming this is true, why blame this state on what you perceive as the failure of the MMM?  Using this logic it would be reasonable to place our current predicament at the feet of every Black person including Obama, King, El Haji Malik el Shabazz, and you and I.  Why single out Farrakhan's MMM to blame?  We all have a hand in this, including our oppressors.

At the end of the day, Farrakhan's MMM was a powerful event for many.  Of course, this is not universally accepted, but nothing is universally accepted where man is concerned.

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@Troy I'm not one to speak for Xeon but he reinforced much of what i said about the MMM.  i don't think either of us are blaming the MMM for the present state of the black community.  What we're saying is that it had no visible positive trickle down effect on the plight of black men as witnessed by the present state of the black community.   So our being unimpressed with Farrakhan carries just as much weight as you and Pioneer being impressed with him. You continue to fault Obama for what he  didn't do, while offering vague anecdotal undocumented praise of all the things that Farrakhan did and does do,  accomplishments which obviously don't extend beyond the boundaries of his ministry.  

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Cynique and Xeon

((scratches head))

You 2 are smart people, and this isn't very hard.
It's actually quite simple.
Why don't you two "get it"?

The GOAL of Minister Farrakhan was to have a MILLION MAN MARCH.

His GOAL was to organize a peaceful gathering of a million Black men on the Mall in Washington D.C.

He ACCOMPLISHED this when over a million showed up.
I was there, I can bear witness to this fact.

It was a success, get over it.

 


Furthermore................

Minister Farrakhan's message for Black people was/is C
RYSTAL CLEAR:

Stop drinking
Stop using drugs
Stop engaging in criminal activity
Eat properly
Take care of your children
Use the creativity in you to build a business for yourself.

Just like Elijah Muhammad's was 50 years ago.


And just like Elijah's, it worked for those WHO FOLLOWED IT back then, and it works for those WHO FOLLOW IT today.

Pointing to the ills of a community in which the VAST MAJORITY of people DO NOT adhere to Minister Farrakhan's message as an example of his ineffectiveness.......is like pointing to a sick man who refuses to take his prescribed medicine as an example of how ineffective the doctor is.

Thousands of Black men in Chicago and other cities have heard Minister Farrakhan yet STILL engage in gang-banging and dope using/selling even when many of them have OTHER means to make a living and conduct themselves.

But you want to blame that on him?

Like I said before, Minister Farrakhan is a LEADER.....but not a DICTATOR.
The only thing he does is TELL you how to be successful, but if you refuse to follow his instructions and continue to behave in "niggatry" and foolishness, why is that HIS fault?

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@Pioneer1 , if it means anything to ya Bruh I agree 100%

@Cynique , nothing Pioneer wrote disagrees with what you or Xeon wrote.  I would go as far as to say what he wrote is indisputable--which is saying a lot ;)

Sorry for anyone who saw that protected and obscene racist post.  Truth be told some of it was kinda funny, but if you did not see it don't worry about it.  Racist trolls are everywhere.

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Pioneer, and Troy:   Obama, your favorite scapegoat, motivated and inspired about 20 million black men to march to the polls and vote for him for president and the result he got was that he won.  Yet you continue to harp on all that he didn't do for black folks, in spite of the fact that he did do some things that were beneficial to them.This is also a man who inspired and endeared  himself to and lifted the morale of millions of disillusioned black women because he married and cherished a sista and elevated her to the highest female position in the land, enabling her to be a great role model for black females. Yet, you say he did nothing for black women. i am not a rabid fan of the Obamas but what i said about them is "indisputable". 

So if you don't want Farrakhan put in perspective then stfu about Obama when trying to aggrandize your hero. 

I previously said that "Farrakhan's  accomplishments obviously don't extend beyond the boundaries of his ministry. And i stand by that.     

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Cynique if you put it that way; Obama got my vote (twice), but Farrakhan failed to get me to come out to DC,  So in that regard, Obama was more effective with more people (though traveling to DC was a lot more difficult that traveling to one's polling place).

Obama's becoming the first "Black" president is a historic accomplishment, one that is not likely to be repeated for another century.  This is indeed indisputable.

Cynique, from a personal perspective I think you are overemphasizing my negative views of Obama.  I have both positive and negative things to say about both men.  I have positive and negative things to say about myself.  One can hold all of these opinions.

Obviously, I'll continue to voice my opinions them whenever I choose.  I also go around prefacing every Obama critique with something positive just to make people who nothing bad to say the man feel comfortable...

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@TroyWell, "i put it that way" because i just wanted to give you and Pioneer a little taste of your own medicine.  i know you are luke warm about Obama, and you are entitled to feel that way - just as i am entitled to be luke warm about Farrakhan and not have him stuffed down my throat.  :o

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I agree with that 100% Cynique.

 

At the end of the day, I'm not a follower of Farrakhan, in fact, I'm a follower of no man, it simply is not in my nature.

 

But I understand why others might get feel the need to follow someone--for them, it can be very beneficial. There are people who follow Farrakhan and their lives are much better for it. They derive discipline, a strength in character.  I know a few of these brothers and Farrakhan has had a positive impact on them.  Again the NOI is not for everyone it definitely is not for me, but I recognize their positive influence Farrakhan get my respect because he is their leader.

 

I also feel I've obtained some benefit from the NOI--easily when I was in my 20's he helped inspire Black pride and Black unity. This was the power of the MMM that I think you may not appreciate.  That impact was felt even by Brothers who did not attend. But again I'm just not gonna be rocking a bow tie, going to services every Sunday, and giving up pork and alcohol to get down with them.

 

I also recognize that many people derived a great deal of joy and inspiration from Obama's presidency, and if that has helped them get through life more easily--I'm all for it.  

 

 

 

 

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Cynique

You are more than "luke warm" about Farrakhan, you seem not to like the man at all.

I actually LIKE Obama, I just thought he was pretty weak and ineffective as a leader.

He did some good things, and some not so good things...but he could have done more.


I found myself actually AGREEING with Donald Trump when I read an article today about Obama having clear evidence that Russia was trying to hack and influence the Presidential election.

Trump said hell, if Obama knew all of this then why didn't he DO something about it!

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/23/politics/vladmir-putin-russia-election/index.html


And I agree...why DIDN'T Obama do something about it?

You and Mel may love Obama, but just know that Obama is the number 1 reason Trump is in office today!






Troy

Back during my "religious phase" I studied various religions that I thought would help me and help Black people collectively.

I studied the teachings of the Nation of Islam and used to attend their services and to me they are pound for pound one of the most effective organizations for cleaning up and improving the overall lives of Black people in America as of right now.
That's why they have so much of my respect.

I don't know of too many organizations that share their same track record.

Even the religious or "cultish" aspect of it makes sense to me, because when you're dealing with ex-criminals, ex-dope addicts, ex-gang bangers....you NEED a strong dominating structure to constantly stay on you and give you firm direction in your life.

You and I may not need a religious structure, but I recognize the many of our people do in thier development process and if we're gonna get one....that structure may as well be built by other Black men who understand us.

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i've said on numerous occasions that i am not a big Obama fan just like I've repeatedly said, i have no reason to care one way or another about Farrakhan because he impacts on my life in no way. I'll leave worshiping him from afar to you. 

 

The official reason given for the question you and your "strange bed fellow" Trump ask is that like, Trump, Obama thought Hillary was going to win.  

 

You don't need to justify your agreeing with Trump. Like all the other "loyal" American sheeple out there, you are falling under his sway.  

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