Sara
So, Separatism, Black Nationalism, Afrocentricism. What are you advocating?
Thank you, I appreciate that you can disagree with me but still respect my position and view me in a positive light over all.
That is a very complex question because I'm seeing the first hand results of all 3 positions (actually more) being played out in the streets of Detroit in a way I hadn't seen in the past. I'm seeing things today being played out that I only read about sitting up as a teenager in the Shrine of Black Madonna book store. I read about the various Black political philosophies of the 60s and 70s but now I'm actually seeing them and the various results they're having on the thinking of the people in different communities and it's giving me a better idea of what works, what doesn't work, and what's actually self destructive.
So what am I advocating?
Lol.....right now I'm advocating that you start another thread with this topic so we can delve into more deeply because I don't want to further jack Troy's thread with my responses to it.
Cynique
I'm glad you noticed how erratic and "wild" Leslie behaves.
Like Sara said....she's not funny at all to me.
Most of her behavior is stereotypical and much of it is offensive and embarassing.
CD
You don't come around this neighborhood (Cynique's Corner) much, I'm glad to keep you on the porch for a while....lol.
Sure African women are loud and jovial.
I found out not to long ago that most ASIANS tend to be loud and a fiesty in their own cultures when they feel White people aren't looking. And we know most Hispanics are as loud if not louder than Blacks
Infact, MOST cultures period are loud and flamboyant when compare to the rather reserved and restrained northern European culture that dominates the United States.
It's not the loudness and flamboyancy that's the issue, it's the negativity and inappropriate behavior attached to it that I have a problem with like the cussing and violent talk which you intuitively knew and referred to yourself.
Look......
I support the right for women and men to behave as they wish as long as they don't hurt anyone else, even if that behavior is abnormal and doesn't fit with their sexual nature. Which is why I don't bash homosexuality or cross dressing anymore......it's their right as human beings to do that as far as I'm concerned. However, if you ask me is it the BEST behavior or is it behavior that should be PROMOTED and I'd have to say NO. I'd rather promote heterosexual behavior where the gender roles are in line with the sex.
And it's the same with Leslie.
I don't mind her being loud and outspoken and I don't mind her cussing a little like Monique. But guess what? Monique is still a lady...a woman. Her femininity has NEVER been questioned and she's probably never been called a gorilla or ape.
She LOOKS like a woman and acts like one, and even those she may be a big girl...fat even....she's still made like a woman and her femininity isn't in question.
With Leslie....she's made big and bulky like a man and she behaves on the hard masculine side and this is the difference between the two.
I've been all over the United States, Canada, and parts of Europe and had an opportunity to see hundreds if not thousands of African women, and I've never seen ONE who LOOK AND ACT like Leslie Jones. They may be her complexion, and may have SOME of her facial features....but most aren't made in the shape she's made NOR will you find them behaving like she does.
Just look at how she sat in the interview with her legs all open and on the edge of the chair like a dude....how many women do you know outside of the ghetto that sit like that????
Isn't it time to stop worrying about what everybody else thinks and celebrate and focus on us?
When Black people are able to provide full employment for themselves and don't have to rely on Whites and others for the majority of their income....THEN we can celebrate and stop worrying about what other people think of us.
Until then, when Black actors like Leslie come on playing a crappy racist manager or Black people play theives and violent buffoons characters I have to worry about those images having an impact on the White managers and employers who refuse to hire Black people with those images as an excuse.
When Black people provide security and law enforcement in their own communities and no long rely on a majority White police force to keep order and safety for our children....THEN we can celebrate and stop worrying about what other people think of us.
Until then, when Black rappers brag about selling dope and killing people or play dope dealer roles exclusively I have to worry about how many White racist police officers are using that as an excuse to lable Black males as "animals" and dregs on society who they want to exterminate.
When there are enough Black doctors, nurses, and hospitals to provide care for our people.....THEN we can celebrate and stop worrying about what others think of us.
Until then, I have to worry and hope that the White, Asian, and Indian doctors and nurse who are working on Black patients have an open mind and don't believe that Black people are subhuman and not really important enough to keep healthy or alive based on the crap they see in the media or what they've been told growing up.
In other words, when we live in our own society and are fully supporting ourselves and don't have to rely on anyone else....THEN we can stop worrying about what others think of us.
Until then, we have to deal with this.......
Those police officers said that Black people were prone to violence and USED that excuse as a justification for slinging our sister around like a rag doll.
The characters that Leslie Jones plays FEEDS INTO those racist beliefs of the aggressive Black woman.
I'm sure there are no stats on it, but I have to wonder how many Black women.....older Black women...have been hurt or killed by police officers who may have seen those "Ma'dea" Tyler Perry movies where he puts on a wig and dress and plays a crazy wild and hyper aggressive old Black woman who loves violence?
Thanx to Tyler Perry, an entire generation has been influenced to lose respect and sensitivity to older Black women.
They look at old White women and they see a sweet little old grandma who needs a hug.
They look at old Black women and they see some feisty old cussing beast who needs to be man-handled because that's the only thing she understands.
I'm not trying to take away Leslie's right to make a living or express herself, I'm just saying she and other Black comedians should be more aware of the impact their characters have on the greater community.....especially in this volatile political and social climate.
Leslie Jones isn't the first Black woman to make SNL's cast BTW....there have been others.
Actually, there's another sister on there right now who isn't getting much attention.