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Wait-a-minute, I think I wrote about this incident in this very thread? Yes, this may be true but, they do not have the same history that we have and this is very important. That is just crazy wrong! LOL! I don't watch TV that much but I have seen shows in which it is commonplace in how Black men obsess over non-Black women and I don't see this coming from any other race/culture! You don't see the connection to 'oppression' in this regard? AGain, PIoneer, this is so wrong. At one point in the past, someone was able to come into Africa and set up human slavery and therefore, this process begins within our circles for what ever reason. Black men were not protecting their people for some reason. I agree! And it happens both ways though, sadly, IMO. It happens both ways, we, as BLack men and women demean each other in this mode and I suppose that may have been one of the reasons we were overpowered and enslaved.

@Pioneer1 That's funny that you coined the hype 'fake outrage'. I think today there are so many other more important issues that this media hype was not that important either and it may have been hyped up, but however, this tactic, in ancient times is one of the very modes of how we as Black-African-typed people have been conquered. And so, I can understand why I am not making sense to you about 'a white women coming into a Black environment and presenting themselves in a fashion that the Black kings would NOT ALLOW THEIR OWN WOMANKING TO DO. I can understand why you and perhaps many other Black men still today cannot recognize this issue as a method of White Supremacy and in how they were eventually overthrown. So, I guess, I will leave off from this scenario. But, before I do completely, I think that this very thread sort of touches upon what I am addressing. Many Black women today wear 'White women hair textures--that are NOT growing from our scalps and this was introduced to us, not only through modern slavery but a long time ago, in Africa and elsewhere. And now, we Black women are being bashed by many Black men that do not take responsibility for their part in this trend. NubianFEllow does speak on this though, he does say how Black men share apart in this issue. If Black men obssess over non-African traits in the presence of their own womankind then that is a form of White Idolation--White Supremacy, and from this too, some Black men harbor hatred and rejection against BLack women who do not have 'good hair' or 'curly hair'; That is a form of White Supremacy. We as Black people can also be defined as being 'White Supremacist' and that is why I don't feel that you should charge other INDIVIDUALS and attack them for issues that you feel are White Supremacist beliefs. Pioneer, we all have to deal with issues of racism and have to sift through the kind of people, Black, White or other, that are spritually whole or not. LOL. You are so off track, IMO. I just can't understand why your are reading into this. Everyone has a different experience and meet various people along the pathway of life. Do you think that Black African Americans should not marry out of their race/culture? If a Strong White man or Strong Black man is attracted to a woman and marries her, then the woman should feel that this man is 'the best man for her'. For a White man to marry out of his race or a Black man to marry out of his race is a conscious step in this world and due to how horrible this system as been, a man would have to be strong IMO when it comes to these choices; that is how I feel. I a non-African man asked me to marry him (of which has happened to me!), I would know that he is making a strong stance about his manhood. There are so many ways that @Mel Hopkins statement could be viewed, IMO and I do feel that you are imposing your ideals on her due to issues that you, as a Black man has come across. You're right! I have been dodging! And, I do have some personal stories but, I am trying to figure out how to write them down and am wrestling with some thoughts for certain reasons. For one, I did share a personal story in another thread and I feel that was a very good response to this topic!!!--But you may not have read it or agreed! Another reason I am slow to respond is because I have a problem speaking about certain issues about Black men because--I did not come into this community with the goal to speak against Black men-- therefore, I am trying to figure out how to speak about this kind of 'Black Disrespect coming from Black men to wards me as a Black woman' in such a way that it will not be detrimental as a whole. @Pioneer1 Another reason why I have not responded to you about this is because, it hurts deeply, as in the story that I did share in another thread. It is very demeaning when a Black man attacks a Black woman and in that story that I told, had it not been for other kind of men that responded to me positively, it would have been impossible to have a healthy self-esteem in that environment that I was a part of.

Welp, your comprehension is illogical and that’s shoddy math. But if that’s your world view then you own it. Your inferiority complex has nothing to do with me or my words. As for this topic; it states the obvious. Black women ARE beautiful. It is part of record and was never up for debate. “Then will I swear beauty herself is black,   And all they foul that thy complexion lack.” Shakespeare~ Sonnet 132

@Pioneer1You're full of it. i'll let Mel speak for herself but, me, I like Nubian fellow and love the way he articulates his points. Not seeing eye-to-eye when it comes to black hair is the thing he and I disagree about. We haven't clashed about any other aspect of black beauty. He's very perceptive and realistic when it comes to black men, as well as the ramifications of Africa's downfall. And he is not obsessed with the ridiculous idea that black women idolize all white men and look down on all black ones. Your lies about us equating wealth coupled with kindness as a sign of extraordinary masculinity is just another indication of how you distort things. It's ludicrous for you to think you have to hip Nubian Fellow about what only exists in your mind, especially since he's perfectly capably of using his own judgment when it comes to the position taken by the women here. With nothing to back you up, you have tried to make him your ally by planting the idea in his head that we aren't or wouldn't be his ally, when we might very well be so, depending on the circumstances. And your petulant accusation about black women hating themselves just because after 4 centuries, they have earned the right to be their version of mainstream America is just an example of your stagnancy. Finally, why wouldn't we consider Nubian Fellow a "brother"? It's all in the family.

You should have stopped the FIRST time you realized it was a MAN and not a woman, but you didn't....lol. Put the crack pipe down before you pick up a pen.

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I gave information as to the current status of the case, something you can't comprehend because you are repelled by facts. How you can consider yourself well informed is laughable. You can't even come up with an assessment of the situation that is something other than the same ol tired rhetoric. Actually, the African American community, including you, is pissing on itself because they think Jussie is being railroaded by the Chicago police. Now wipe your snotty nose and shuffle on back into your dank black man cave before Mel and Del do another number on you. You can pass the time by fantasizing about being RKelly.

Chev LOL. It was funny. But @Pioneer1 knows I love him too. Nothing but love this way sis! Del You are behind in points you wanna go some more, Cabeza de Piedra. Do I want to go some more?? That's a question for your boyfriend at night, not me...lol. Besides, you got some nerve to criticize me when...... tu comprende como loco perro......lol.