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Statistics and proof. @Cynique @Mel Hopkins @Pioneer1 @Troy @zaji

The days of the week are named after God's in 70% of languages spoken. The rest are ordinal significations If a child grows up in a religious environment this will have an effect. The same could be said for a university a city or a culture. That doesn't mean the recipients of religious indoctrination will be better people. Yet religious exposure will effect them. Some scientists or thinkers had religious beliefs. Some scientist were persecuted for the scientific positions by religion.

You could have saved a lot of time by @Cynique @Troy @Pioneer1I said I am not a spokesperson five times in the last 24 hours. So I don't know how you can say it's easy.

That would behelpful in the discussion. I have no idea what you are referring to Cynique. Can you provide a quote to give some context.

I just did

I have no opinion on what would work for other people. I am in a monogamous relationship.

Cynique you have me confused with someone else. How many ways can I say I am not a spokesperson. There may be other participants that have the answer to your query.

Do you have knowledge of the video. No you are ignorant. So you are arguing from an ignorant position. You can agree or disagree at this point. https://thehumanist.com/magazine/may-june-2016/features/science-not-conflict-religion My contention is that, ultimately, the existence of a deity is a question of science. Some may be surprised by this because they recognize that science is the systematic study of phenomena in the natural world while religious belief deals with the supernatural, or powers and entities outside the spectrum of what we would consider our natural reality. Yet this is not the case. All religions, particularly the “big three” Abrahamic religions, make claims about the natural world that clearly fall under the purview of one or more fields of science

This is what I am questioning. How many of these people do you know that youkeep mentioning. You are talking about what women want and what men can't handle. I would say there are probably people in your own family that have various arrangements. People are smart enough to not say this publicly. Lest some uninvolved party judge them. I was on the bus and the guy next to me told me who he was a salesmen in a small town and he got introduced into swinging. A few friends and people known to me have said they had non monogamous relationships. Another time a guy told me he felt bad about his relationship with a couple. One of whom was his best friend. Interestingly most of the people involved in non vanilla sex appeared normal. There is a huge difference between what people say and what they do. The Down Low indeed.

Very good points Pioneer. The days of the week and even the calendar are a product of keeping religious rituals. John Dee (13 July 1527 – 1608 or 1609) was an English mathematician, astronomer, astrologer, occult philosopher,[5] and advisor to Queen Elizabeth I. He devoted much of his life to the study of alchemy, divination, and Hermetic philosophy. He was also an advocate of England's imperial expansion into a "British Empire", a term he is generally credited with coining.[6] Dee straddled the worlds of modern science and magic just as the former was emerging. One of the most learned men of his age, he had been invited to lecture on the geometry of Euclid at the University of Paris while still in his early twenties. Dee was an ardent promoter of mathematics and a respected astronomer, as well as a leading expert in navigation, having trained many of those who would conduct England's voyages of discovery. In antiquity, Pythagoras was credited with many mathematical and scientific discoveries, including the Pythagorean theorem, Pythagorean tuning, the five regular solids, the Theory of Proportions, the sphericity of the Earth, and the identity of the morning and evening stars as the planet Venus. It was said that he was the first man to call himself a philosopher ("lover of wisdom")[Notes 2] and that he was the first to divide the globe into five climatic zones. Classical historians debate whether Pythagoras made these discoveries, and many of the accomplishments credited to him likely originated earlier or were made by his colleagues or successors. Some accounts mention that the philosophy associated with Pythagoras was related to mathematics and that numbers were important, but it is debated to what extent, if at all, he actually contributed to mathematics or natural philosophy. Mystical teachings Another belief attributed to Pythagoras was that of the "harmony of the spheres",[90] which maintained that the planets and stars move according to mathematical equations, which correspond to musical notes and thus produce an inaudible symphony.[90] According to Porphyry, Pythagoras taught that the seven Muses were actually the seven planets singing together.[91] In his philosophical dialogue Protrepticus, Aristotle has his literary double say: When Pythagoras was asked [why humans exist], he said, "to observe the heavens," and he used to claim that he himself was an observer of nature, and it was for the sake of this that he had passed over into life.[92] Isaac Newton's occult studies English physicist and mathematician Isaac Newton produced many works that would now be classified as occult studies. These works explored chronology, alchemy, and Biblical interpretation (especially of the Apocalypse). Newton's scientific work may have been of lesser personal importance to him, as he placed emphasis on rediscovering the occult wisdom of the ancients. In this sense, some[1] believe that any reference to a "Newtonian Worldview" as being purely mechanical in nature is somewhat inaccurate. @Pioneer1

Is your point that polygamy is better for men than women. The reason some choose polygamy is so that they have a choice. Instead of creating a relationship where there is deception,polygamy acknowledges a truth. Some people need more than one (sexual) partner. An open relationship works better if the partners love each other, don't care and or aren't jealous or possessive. If you would have asked 14 years ago if I could handle polygamy. I would have said yes. If we both could have secondary partners. Honesty and truth is more important. I also would make a difference between sexual and emotional pairings. I could accept a partner cheating on me easier than not listening to me. I reckon this is where we diverge. Which is why you see polygamy as diminishing. It can be but need not be. The end of the book 1984 really defines betrayal.

You can reject my statement but you are wrong on addition to being ignorant. You admit not watching it so you have no first hand knowledge of what he said. That's is the definition of ignorance @Troy. Look up the history of the Steady State Scientist and how the Big Bang Theory got its name. @zaji I will read this later. People assume that scientist stop having beliefs and opinions when practising science. Michelle Simmons emigrated to Australian because she felt the scientific community was more open than the United States or England.

It was a great movie. I don't think it will get best picture though. Set or costume design may get an award. He covered some big issues by having each character struggle with them: Charity Opression Responsibility Loyalty Allegiance Vengeance Identity Family. It joins a handful of my favorite movies that work on more than one level. I would put it slightly above Star Wars because of the acting. What's with all the binary thinking. I can explain and I am not the spokesperson for anyone. In addition to being a thinker it should be obvious that I have no interest in any active leadership. The only correct statement is your last sentence. However the dead end is your unwillingness to contemplate another point of view.

Cynique you are projecting. And asking me to say what works for other people. If you reread what I have written you may find this to be the case, if not then quote my statement and let's discuss it.

Perhaps Pioneer can explain I can't explain why you would want to do it. However other people see the issue differently. You may be confusing a harem with polygamy polyandry or polyamory. or maybe I am

I have not actively read about about social sexual mores . Even though I have read erotica from different perspectives and cultural sexual techniques plus sex magic . Both Thor and the Black Panther cut a lesbian love scene.

Perhaps societies that at more open, fair or equitable or about sexual relationships, would also be more progressive in the main . Perhaps some women prefer neither marriage nor monogamy . Your response seems more limiting. Your statement or rather your response takes an open statement ,," it could be many men ." Into a binary western Judeo-Christian perspective .

It would appear that Pioneer read both ways. Kudos.

However in practice the reverse of these two statements is more likely to be the case.

I post definitions to clarify my position. You are free to use whatever denotation or connotation that you like.

@Troy you are arguing from ignorance, by your own admission. @Cynique ok your opinion is correct.

The were Christian in Origin. The religion not the principal. Religion (belief )has been linked to Science. Rupert Sheldrake has made the case that Science acts more like religion. Hence censorship not debate. They feel debate is below their lofty ideals. I say that is the approach of the he arrogant elite.

enlightenment NOUN 1mass noun The action of enlightening or the state of being enlightened. ‘Robbie looked to me for enlightenment’ More example sentences Synonyms 1.1 The action or state of attaining or having attained spiritual knowledge or insight, in particular (in Buddhism) that awareness which frees a person from the cycle of rebirth.

Thanks quote and link are from Scientific American.

Enlightment means not arguing.