Pioneer1

Well atleast you know your symbols and what they mean....I'll give you that much. And since you stand by EVERY word you wrote....... Thanks for CONFIRMING that you consider yourself a good liar AND that you'll lie to others as your post clearly says.

Interesting......very interesting choice of words.

Troy asks: "Now, I pose the question to you K2; How can you be so certain that Pioneer is lying? " 　 K2 answered: "Impossible! No one.... " ALRIGHT THEN! Now shut the fuck up and go watch Lebron get down....lol.

K2 Impossible! No one knows your true identity! Lol....yet another lie. Because I KNOW my true identity. Furthermore, if YOU don't know my "true identity" then you're CONFIRMING the fact that you're a damn liar because you said I was: 1. White. 2. Gay 3. Troll 4. Mason So since you....FINALLY.....admit you don't know what the hell you're talking about, then you're admitting that you LIED on me! NOW, that's an interesting statement coming from you. I'm sure we know who runs the show in American, influence, and control people...... . Besides, Jews succeeded in make it a felony crime to insult Jews, Fool, didn't you say you LIVED IN ISRAEL? Who do you think are running things where YOU live? K2.....stop smoking that "K2"....lol.

Noooooooo clown....lol. Don't try to "drop it" or get off the point now. Troy asked you a very valid question. He asked could you PROVE that I'm lying about my identity....you need to put up or SHUT UP. I took it a step further and asked you to prove where I've lied about ANYTHING except for promising not to communicate with your crazy ass...lol. I try not to, but I feel more damage may be done simply ignoring your nonsense and letting It go unchecked than by challenging it. And that picture of Earl Graves wasn't "lying" because not only did I never say that was me...I VOLUNTARILY said it wasn't without even being asked. I've used SEVERAL images that weren't mine like Marcus Garvey's picture. So now you have TWO things to apologize for: 1. Insulting my mother. A woman who's done absolutely NOTHING to you! 2. Attempting to slander me or raise suspicions about me unjustly. You WILL apologize!

　 Face it, Pioneer1, you know little, if anything about the non-existent term "Afro-Americanism," let alone race, or how to properly use the color terminology schemes of Black and White. LOL How can "AfroAmerican" be a non-existent term when Malcolm X used to use it. Anyway.................... Troy I think you're misunderstanding the point I'm making. It's NOT about whether or not there are multiple races.......... I believe in MULTIPLE races. You don't...you believe there is only ONE race. We disagree, but our positions are CLEAR and understood. I'm pointing out K2's inconsistencies on his beliefs. He ROUTINELY....not just some times but ROUTINELY uses racial terms like "my Black people" and calls ME a White man. Now he digs up statistics that clearly illustrate things based on race. But then when you come along and say that there aren't multiple races HE jumps up and claims he agrees! My point is if he really believes that all along then he would routinely use language and find statistics that are in line with his beliefs. If he agrees with you that there are NOT more than one race, then how can I be a "White man" or how can Black people be "his Black people"? Like I said, disingenuous and inconsistent......in my opinion.

If we find out ANYTHING in this thread, we will find out that Pioneer may be a lot of things....but a LIAR isn't one of them, lol. K2 Lol, I'm trying to avoid interacting with you crazy paranoid ass but..... I believe Troy asked you a VALID question. Can you prove that I'm LYING about my identity? Yes or no? Infact, show me where I've outright lied about ANYTHING like I just did to you a few posts ago....lol. When you accuse someone of something the burden of proof should be on YOU....not them. Troy Again, I wasn't upset at all. But right now I'm a little disappointed that for the years I've been posting on here you've never been suspicious of my "identity" until a PROVEN LIAR pops up out of nowhere accusing me of being everything from a white man to a troll to a mason. Now you're right.... I may NOT be a straight Black man. For all you know I could be a LESBIAN WHITE WOMAN.....lol. But like I said before, besides information that we disagree on or clear mistakes I may have made what HAVE I lied about that shows a track record of me putting out false information? Now you asked K2 very clear and VALID question which was could he prove that I'm lying. It literally brought a SMILE to my face for a number of reasons, but I found his response very interesting. He said: "Pioneer1's lie isn't so much about not telling the truth as it is about not being, simply, honest about his true indentity. Hence, as you said, there's no way of knowing whether he's trolling or otherwise infiltrating this site for some unnown purpose. " Very interesting...... Because while he accuses me of being a troll or infiltrating the site....HE popped up out of nowhere a few months ago and IMMEDIATELY began doing 2 things: 1. Lying on people and making accusations, especially on me that he had ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF OF, such as calling me gay, a mason, a white man, a troll, ect.... It's one thing to argue with me about my beliefs or even call him crazy and stupid, but quite another to accuse me of being malicious...which seems to have been his goal for quite some time now. 2. I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, but he's been posting a lot of anti-Semitic bullshit about Jews and Israel that he either KNOWS or SHOULD KNOW may get this site flagged by those who monitor for such things. Unlike him....I don't go around making accusations about people I can't prove or back up. But one thing is for sure..... those two things I just said are ABSOLUTE FACTS and I can easily provide proof for both of them.

I don't want to take the focus of Del's thread AWAY from his predictions and focus it on race so I'll make this brief................ I believe that K2's responses are DISINGENUOUS. First of all, if he REALLY believes that race didn't exist then he WOULDN'T have presented statistics and graphs that illustrate the disparity between "racial" groups like BLACK, WHITE, AND LATINO.....that he now claims doesn't exists! If you no longer believe that race exists.....then find statistics that argue the differences between population groups you actually believe exist.....not "false" ones for the sake of people "understanding" you. Second...... As far as the other information he presented about SOME scientists now refering to people's continent of origins rather than calling them "White" or "Black".....that's OLD news. Me and others have been doing that for years by using the terms "Caucasian" and "African" as they are more precise terms than simply calling people "White" or "Black". That argument is just a matter of SEMANTICS because it still categorizes people. It doesn't eliminate racial categories....it simply RENAMES them! So to try to justify why a man who CLAIMS that race doesn't exists yet argues about the disparities and inequalities between races......doesn't make sense. It's like arguing that sexual differences don't exists while at the same time arguing for women's rights.

K2 The only liar around here is YOU. You LIE about me and who I am routinely. You haven't even met me but you've accused me of being white, gay, a troll, a spy, and a mason all within a month....lol. You haven't met Delano....but you LIED about his level of education or lack of it. Hell, you JUST NOW told a lie and attributed a quote to me that I never wrote! Make all the accusastions you want about me but the facts are NO ONE has "caught me" in a lie yet....and there's a reason for that. If you have so much respect for Cynique, then why don't you follow the advice she gave you when you first popped up on this site and presented yourself like a straight up PARANOID FOOL by accusing me of being some sort of spy who was following you around and threatened to sue the goverment...lol.....that advice was to get your facts straight before you start jumping to conclusions and lying on people. Unless that's your assignment. Never the less, you WILL apologize........

Troy I'm puzzled by something.............. If K2 agrees with you that race does NOT exist, why did he post grafts and figures displaying economic and home ownership differences between races and repeatedly use the terms "Black" and "White"? If there is no Black race or White race...... Then WHO IS "Black" and "White" and what is meant by these terms being used?

Troy 　 Pioneer1 don't get all bent out of shape man. I completely understand why one would hide their identity on the web. I'm not sure how my statement may have sounded but I didn't get bent out of shape or angry. As far as me not having to stand behind what I say, you can say that about ANYONE posting on here. Except for people you've actually met in real life like Cynique and Del....you don't know if ANY picture a poster is using is actually theres or they are who they claim to be.....lol. But this is what you CAN do......... Ask yourself this question: Of the years I've been posting on this forum, have you ever known me to tell an outright lie? I'm not talking about making a mistake or saying something you disagree with like the racial issue.......I mean PURPOSELY putting out false information about myself or anyone or anything else (like calling a straight Black man a "gay white troll" or calling a degreed financier "uneducated"...lol) ? It's like Mel said in another thread, it boils down to who you trust and who you don't based on their history. This is how I judge other people....... If someone has a HISTORY of lying and being deceptive then they shouldn't be trusted. But if you've known them for years and despite maybe being wrong or mistaken from time to time you've never known them to purposefully lie then I have a certain level of trust of them. 　 　 K2 Number one..... That quote wasn't mine, it was TROY'S.....so learn how to read and comprehend properly before you go spouting off more of your half-baked nonsense. Number two..... You keep directing posts at me but you should remember it's still "on" between us UNTIL you apologize! You told Delano: Although I never apologize I have no problem is calling for a TRUCE Well since you NEVER apologize I guess things between me and you will pretty akward around here because I STILL demand an APOLOGY for what you said about my mother. I don't let slights like that go. I don't give a damn who you work for, if we were face to face and you said something like that you'd spend the next 5 minutes picking your TEETH up off the goddam ground.

Troy The truth of the matter is @Delano is in no position to assess your honesty, despite his psychic abilities -- man you aren't even honest about your identity. All he, any of us, can do is express an opinion How am I not honest about my identity? Is not posting one's picture and other personal information a sign of DISHONESTY to you? 15 years ago hardly ANYONE was putting up their personal pictures on social media for security reasons, now most people are doing it. 15 years from now..... If a person refuses to put their address and social security number online when they communicate will that be a sign that their lying and have something to hide? 　 　 　 　 But for the record, I DO NOT believe in this concept of "transparency" that so many politicians and those in the media are calling for these days. I think it's both impractical AND unrealistic to expect someone to be totally transparent and open about everything they're doing and thinking.....especially in the world of government and finance where telling all of your business could lead to your financial ruin. My moral code calls for TRUTH. Whether you love it or hate it, ommiting and concealing information DOES NOT violate that code....only lying and falsifying information do.

I'll cut comedians some slack if they're funny enough. Andrew Dice Clay used to say racist shit but I still thought he was funny. But there are some people who use art to HIDE their racism and racist intentions and if you're perceptive enough you can see through it. Carlos Mencia is one of them....... If you ever check out his comedy routines, he likes to use the fact that he's Latino as an excuse for his being able to use the word "nigger" and use other racist material in his shows. As far as the Starbucks thing goes...... Some people believe that the entire situation was STAGED.

Those graphs and statistics are a bunch of deceptive bullshit. First of all it mixes RACE (Black and White) with a CULTURE (Hispanic). Also, it deceptively obscures the fact that there are plenty of Black Hispanics and Hispanics that are also part of the White race. But more importantly......if you break it down by ETHNIC GROUP you'll find that Nigerians, Ghanaians and other Africans on average have a far higher household income than most White Americans. But this statistical FACT is usually PURPOSELY left out in order to give the impression that Black people in general are underachievers. What's happening in America isn't a wider economic gap between Whites and Blacks as a whole but a FRACTIONING of the American economy into various classes and socio-economic castes where certian ETHNIC GROUPS will be considered in the upper castes and certain ethnic groups will be considered part of the lower caste.

If she lost those cornrows, got her eyebrows arched, and maybe a little make up, you probably wouldn't kick her out of bed. Ofcourse not....... I'd call the police and let THEM do it......lol. If I just HAD to sleep with a muscular woman, give me Serena Williams....atleast I know she's ALL woman.

It was a made up quote mocking the type of thinking too many of our people engage in. They just want the money and the fun, but not the responsibility that generates it.

Troy I think she's a racist, but probably not a vicious one. She reminds me of the Paula Deen type of racist who TRIES to be nice for the most part but sometimes when her guard is down and she's a little relaxed the racism will just oozes out....lol. To be honest, I don't think the show should have been cancelled. For one thing, I actually LIKED it.....lol.. I didn't watch Roseanne back in the 90s, but compared to a lot of the bullshit that comes on television TODAY that I refuse to watch.....I've found the new Roseanne rather refreshing in a nostalgic way. I actually wanted to see more of her Black daughter-n-law...lol. Second....... Her tweet wasn't actually racist but had RACIST UNDERTONES.....which is more indirect. It was in poor taste, but it wasn't the worse thing in the world and like you said there are FAR WORSE examples of racism going on in the world. I see the cancellation of the show as an over reaction and the punishment is much harsher than the crime. It's the same with the Startbucks incident and how they're shutting down Starbucks all over the nation for a relatively minor incident that may have had racial undertones. Now if I as an AfroAmerican sees this as an "over reaction" on ABC's part just what do you think MOST White people are thinking? Your and my reaction to the show's cancellation is just the tip of the iceberg of what the rest of America is probably thinking and how they may be starting to HATE political correctness. Kind of like crying wolf...... If there are too many over reactions and excessive outrageous punishments for the most minor or racist incidents......a backlash could occur in which NO CLAIMS of racism are respected. Now BACK to that sexy ass Valerie Jarret......lol.

Elijah Muhammad taught that the entire Earth belongs to the Black man. Queen I actually DO believe that this is our country as AfroAmericans. The problem is most of us don't EXERCISE our civil rights as well as our Supreme Being given rights in this society and THAT is the main reason so many of our people are constantly victimized. A good example of what I'm talking about are those Black war veterans you speak of who were lynched in their uniforms when they came back home. Obviously I wasn't around back then and couldn't judge their behavior but..... If you were trained to fight, shoot, and kill, and killed Germans and Japanese when they posed a threat to you in the war......why in the hell couldn't you fight and kill the KKK and lynch mobs who attacked you and your friends and family? Another one would be AfroAmericans people who make it into positions of power in this nation but STILL don't do much to help their own. How many cities have AfroAmerican mayors and have had them for decades but these mayors don't use their power and influence to funnel money and resources by the billions to AfroAmerican businesses and neighborhoods? The victimized inferior mentality is a bigger enemy to our people than the concept of White supremacy.

......and so do YOU, lol. You aren't fooling anyone on here with your vitriol. Any normal person over 30 can tell that any woman who puts as much focus and energy on a man as YOU do with ME must have "something" going on with her. I've said it before and I'll say it again: My presence is both troublesome as well as stimulating to you and you also have a slight attraction to me. And the more you post TO me or ABOUT me the more evidence you produce to support my statement.......lol. Despite initially denying it and claiming that my presence is absolutely NO concern of yours and doesn't matter.....you NOW claim otherwise by claiming I was one of the reasons you decided to take a break. A lot of people didn't catch the fact that you said there was MORE THAN ONE reason, but I did.....lol. I'm just curious what the OTHER reason(s) were that you decided to leave. I'm guessing K2's presence was probably another, but I may be wrong........ Troy What!? @Delano Pioneer just rejected your assertion to his being humble, and you rest your case? I didn't reject it, I just compared MY opinion with HIS. Humility is an OBJECTIVE observation that depends on the opinion of the observer....not the one being observed. In other words...... He can consider me humble and I can consider myself not....and we can BOTH be correct in our observation. But if you notice, he was absolutle correct about my honesty....which is a little more concrete and absolute than humility. Again I was not trying to trap you. I was simply trying to understand where you were coming from by making it crystal clear that I saw no justification for what you wrote and inquired where you came up with the idea. Lol...... I thought he explained it pretty articulately when he said that he based it on the observation that I was open enough to admit my academic short comings. If someone comes to you and admits they are poor. Or admits they are of low intelligence. Or admits they are ugly. Or just admits they made a lot of bad decisions in life. ........would you turn around and accuse them of being a pompous egotistical ass with delusions of grandeur? ......or would you consider it a sign of HUMILITY (until they gave you another explanation)? Del K2 I don't respond because I can't make sense of your verbage typos and grammatical spaghetti. Half the active posters don't want to converse with you. I don't think he makes sense half the time either, but to be honest for the sake of conversation I DID engage for a while.....until the fool talked about my mother. That's a BIG "no no".....lol.

Dr Umar Johnson breaks down the REAL reason behind the so-called "royal wedding".....lol. Whether you agree with it or not, I think there is some truth behind what he's saying.

Don't forget about Roseanne and her racist ass tweets....lol. Personally, I thought her comparing Valerie Jarrett to an ape was more hilarious than racist. Because Valerie is fine as hellllll! .....much finer than Roseanne.

Del I am truly touched by your kind words. As Troy said, I would call myself HONEST but I wouldn't call myself too humble. I have an ego and I do like to show off from time to time, but only on those things about myself that are TRUE and that I KNOW I can back up. Truth and honesty are part of my moral code, but humility is not necessarily. Although it does have it's place in the presence of legendary people. What you may see as humility (and what Cynique claims is "phony"....lol ) could rather be considered more of a defense mechanism that I've developed over the years as a person who has been active in community organizations to deal with so many people with far more education and academic creditials. I learned that I get along with people far better when I respect their position and acknowledge mine. But if I'm at all humbled, it's from being around intellectually powerhouses like you and Troy. BTW...... If you'll remember, I TOLD you months ago that if I weren't around Cynique would start picking on you or Mel. You're seeing evidence of this now. People Lol........ How can we miss someone who has never left? Cynique only CLAIMED she was going away to get a reaction. What she REALLY did was run up "underground" so that she could monitor MY comments and how others would continue to react to me in her "abscence" of constant criticism. She tried to keep it cool as long as she could but like she said....when Del had something nice ot say about me she couldn't control herself. That little turtle HAD to crawl up out of her hole and start cussing and snapping at everyone in sight......lol. Rest assured, if I REALLY thought my presence would cause Cynique to actually LEAVE....I would save you all the headache and drama and say my good byes. As I've said before, she ain't going nowhere.....but to the store to get some more snacks to much one while monitoring this site, lol. The woman is obsessed! The only thing that would cause HER to leave if if I left; because Pioneer's got her ass on LOCK !

Are you aware of any policies that have changed as a direct result of Colin's taking a knee? EXCELLENT QUESTION! And the answer to that question determines the effectiveness of Colin's actions. It's a shame but those mostly Caucasian kids from the Parkland highschool shooting have been more effective in changing legislation and striking fear in the hearts of their adversaries in just their 4 or 5 months of demonstrating than AfroAmerican NFL players have been in their YEARS of kneeling and locking arms and begging for understanding. Why? Because those kids aren't going from school to school across America urinating on flags or bowing down and taking knees infront of flag poles nor are they making music videos where they dance around half naked........ In other words they aren't wasting time with confusing indirect methods that are basically useless except for pissing people off. But what they ARE doing is taking DIRECT ACTION by calling out the local and national legislators as well as those in the media who are promoting guns and feeding gun violence.

Troy Sports was always about entertainment, even going back to the Roman gladiator days where the most athletic men were put into an arena to slaughter eachother for the pleasure of the crowds. But another purpose of sports....is to show off one's "sexual fitness". The opposite sex watches an athelete perform well in a particular physical activity that involves strength and skill and subconsciously assumes they'll be just as good in the bedroom....lol. Although I use the terms "her" and "she" I don't know if I'd call her a woman. More like a hermaphrodite. I'm not trying to be cruel, but I do want to be accurate based on the evidence that gender tests done on her have allegedly revealed: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/6170229/Caster-Semenya-is-a-hermaphrodite-tests-show.html They claim she has no ovaries and also has internal testicles. Clearly she isn't a normal woman biologically speaking and they know it. They've KNOWN it for quite some time, yet they continue to promote her and allow her to race with other women.....so obviously whoever is backing her has an agenda. I think part of the agenda is making fun of African women as well as promoting sexual confusion among people. Just like this entire "gender bathroom" controversy that's been going on for the past few years. Anytime you allow a person to CALL themselves whatever they want to call themselves despite their physical plumbing, you're promoting confusion among people which will lead ot disaster.