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That's what I was talking about....lol

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I hope that people can objectively see themselves and act accordingly. 👍 I agree absolutely! Cynique Stop disrupting Delano's thread with your nonsense and act ACCORDINGLY! This is for INTELLIGENT discussion, not foolishness! Now....... If your hope is for someone else to reach a goal. Then it is something you will never attain, since you are neither the subject or the object. This subtlety of this statement is invisible to the practical or myopic thinker. If HOPE is the "it" you're talking about....then they don't have to attain it...they already HAVE it.

tipsyturv What happened to the picture of your grandfather? Did you take it down?

.........oh boy.

Cynique i repeat: you are deluded in that you have convinced yourself that I have ulterior motives and am spending my time psycho-analysing you. Delano is right when he says you have an egocentric consistency. And Delano was also right when he said: 1. You can only be mistaken 2. You're not invested in the truth of your statements Now STOP. You're interrupting my "zombie movie" time going back and forth with you...lol

Mzuri I am fairly certain that @Cynique does not consort with drunkards Or atleast they don't START OFF as drunks..lol "Man, them light skinned women. I'm telling you....."

Cynique You're too deluded to realize you're deluded. You're too deluded to realize how clearly I see your motives...lol. Or so forward and bold, you WANT me to. Delano I would say of his positions are irrational yet logical, since they have an egocentric consistency. Can you give us an example of an irrational position that I take? You can also be hopeful for something that you will never attain But who's to say what will "never" be attained? Never is a long time for something to NOT occur in. Cynique is not delusional, she can only be mistaken. since she is not emotional invested in the truth of her statement. I would say Cynique is disinvested in Pioneer. Well if she spends this much time trying to psycho-analyze someone she's disinvested in....imagine the focus and dedication she'll give when she finally finds her niche...lol.

tipsyturv Id also defnitely say that many Jewish people are clearly more of Mediterranean-ish heritage than just White. The fact tht many of them can grow real afros shows that they are not "White" people IMO Interesting observation.... However I'd be careful using ONE or TWO phenotypical traits alone to take someone OUT of a racial category since race is so much more complex than just a hand full of physical characteristics. For example there are a lot of Black people with thin noses or slant Asian looking eyes..does THAT take them out of the "Black" racial category? A lot of Black people with straight or wavy hair as in the pictures you provided above....does THAT take them out of the "Black" racial category? If not, why should curly or even kinky hair take a person with White skin and other Caucasian features except for their hair out of the "White" racial category? For me a person's race is a result of a PREDOMINANCE of phenotypical features...not just a few. They're clearly more closely physically similar to populations like Italians or Spaniards, or even North Africans. This is true. Many Ashkenazi's ancestors CAME THROUGH Italy and Spain on their way to northern and central Europe. But as I've said before, they have far more European ancestry than Middle Eastern. Which is why I classify them as Caucasians racially..despite trace amounts of Hebrew ancestry. Infact, most Italians have more African and Arab ancestry coursing through their veins than the average Ashkenazi Jew. John Turturro Nicholas Turturro Famous Italian American actors

Mzuri Yeah?? Lol.... I wonder does she have a drunk old man who staggers by and flirts with her from time to time....like the woman from Do The Right Thing? *RIP Ruby and Ozzie

Ok.........then you've been going to the entrance of your lair too often to gaze up at the moon, lol.

YOU'RE deluded about me having that belief....lol.

tipsyturv But, I look just like my great great grandmother because my grandpa looks like her - and I look like him. LOL So it at least explains the "other" people see in me. I am always asked "What are you?" Genetics is an interesting study because a person of mixed race ancestry can have all of the phenotypical traits of one race EXCEPT the skin color....be only the skin color of the other race....and come out looking like an entirely different race than both! They can be mixed with African and Caucasian and come out with a straight hair, thin nose/mouth, and dark brown skin..looking like an Indian or East African. People who aren't aware of this may mistake a typical AfroAmerican Mulatto admixture with an Ethiopian or even East Indian. And yes, Afro-Americans have European ancestry in general, but it's usually NorthWestern European ancestry from slavery . I also have this of course, but I do NOT acknowledge it all for obvious reasons. Besides, my fully Irish ancestor is like 6 generations away from me. My Ashkenazi ancestor is actually the closest non-Black ancestor in my tree. This is true. Also we have a lot of Native American ancestry. For some, their Native American ancestry is more pronounced than their Caucasian ancestry. 2. You're kinda wrong here. Ashkenazi Jews are of deeper MIddle Eastern heritage. An Ashkenazi Jew themselves will tell you that. Read this article written by an actual Ashkenazi. The way modern Judaic ethnicity works is if your MOTHER was a Jew then YOU are considered Jewish..whehther you practice it or not. So what you have today among many Ashkenzai Jews are Caucasians with TRACE amounts of the original Middle Easter (Sephardic) Jewish ancestry but diluted with a predominant European ancestry. Maybe a woman who was a full blood Hebrew back in 900 AD mated with a Caucasian from France and had children...and her daughters (technically Jewish though only half Hebrew by race) had daughters who did the same and have children with Caucasian men...so on and so forth. This is typically how most Ashkenazi Jews came into being. European Caucasians with trace amounts of actual Hebrew Middle Eastern ancestry. Another example to use recently is how so many blonde haired blue eyed Caucasians in the U.S. have Italian last names and go around calling themselves "proud Italians". But if you go on the East Coast and look at the Italian communities of New York or Boston or Philly....most of them are dark haired, dark eyed, and have tans and more African features than other Caucasians and certainly look different than most of the so-called "Italians" in the rest of this nation. Because they are truer to their roots and aren't as diluted. Sometimes the names and culture lasts where the genetics don't. Like you said, to people who are well versed in the subject...it's very interesting and the more detail...the better. You can read hours and hours of detail on a particular aspect of a person's heritage and ancestry and wouldn't come out one bit confused but more enlightened. But with MOST people.... Giving them more details and being more specific about this cultural trait and that racial trait seems to cause even MORE confusion in them...lol. This ancestral DNA thing is an example of this because you have people running around calling themselves 3% Irish and 7% Russian not realizing that these are nationalities that can't be passed along in the genes. The older I get the more I understand why the very educated often kept certain knowledge in elite circles.

Cynique Meanwhile, the third rock from the sun continues to wobble on its axis, rocking its dizzy inhabitants, leaving them to lament its atmosphere of turmoil and bigotry. But there are exceptions. Me? I no longer give a damn. Lol...I think you've been spending too much time going out on the porch and gazing up at the moon.

🤔 I'm not delusional.....so I wouldn't know.

Mzuri Them negroes ain't focused on rebuilding down in Louisiana and Houston. I know them. They're busy with their minds on the same bullshit that was occupying it BEFORE the floods. Smoking dope and engaging eachother in a bunch of drama and juvenile foolishness. Maybe the White folks down there are focused on sawing logs and clearing the damage. Most of the Black folks in that area are "busy" sitting around waiting on the White folks to clear the damage and rebuild so THEY can get back to....whatever they were doing. ....which probably didn't amount to TOO much. "I sho' wish deez White folks would hurry up and turn dem lights own! ...'cuz we don't know how to do it. And it's dark up in dis mug! Shit!" This is the things to understand Mzuri.... A FOOL constantly has problems to deal with..because they MAKE the problems for themselves. And they'll make some for YOU if you let them. As soon as you SOLVE a fool's problem, he'll make two more worse than the first! ....and be busily occupied with it. Too "busy" and occupied with it to help anyone else. In truth..... Black Americans should be in a MUCH better position in this nation than we are. We have had so much liberty and made so much money these past 50 years since the end of the Civil Rights Era that we should have our own schools, medical centers, grocery stores, and food distribution centers to not only sustain OURSELVES but to send down there to the border to help fellow Black folks need need as well as to send to other Black nations.

Mzuri Lol... If Cynique woke up, hopped on the computer, and typed up 3 paragraphs on something she didn't give a damn about....imagine all the love she showers on things she actually CARES for!!!!

tipsyturv Hello and welcome to the site! Got a few points to make about your post: 1. If you're great great grandmother was Jewish and she's the ONLY Jewish ancestor you have, that's not much Jewish lineage to put on your resume...lol Most AfroAmericans have more White or Native American ancestry than that. 2. Most Askenazi Jews are NOT of Middle Eastern origin but of Germanic or European origin. Middle Eastern Jews are known as Sephardim. 3. Saying you're part Middle Eastern/North African would be a mistake and add to the confusion because those are GEOGRAPHICAL REGIONS...not races. So you can have no "part" of them in you. Either you're from there or your not. You can be part Arab, part African, part Caucasian, ect.....but not part "Middle Eastern". I'm from Michigan....doesn't mean any children I have will be "part Michigander".

Not just wrong but outrageously inhumane. But do you know who I blame the MOST for how the Ayitian people are being treated down there? AfroAmericans. Because AfroAmericans from Texas and Louisanna should be the first ones down there to offer food, water, and medical assistance to our brothers and sisters down there. It's enough Black churches in Houston alone to show some love to the 14,000 people stranded down there. AOC went down to the border to visit fellow Latinos and show them some love and care. What's up with the Black congress people? Where are they? Where are the Black celebrities? Ofcourse what the plans of the Administration are racist...as was the Administration before it...but where is the Black political RESISTENCE to it? Are they speaking up on it or is CNN the only ones addressing the issue? Some people say that life isn't fair. However as I've gotten older I realized how FAIR life is. Most people just don't know the rules And as injust as this society is....there's a certain amount of fairness even in it too! Wheels that don't squeak...don't get oiled. Too often AfroAmericans IGNORE problems, especially when it's happening to someone else and not themselves personally...and then when they end up in the same trouble..want to complain. No one is stopping atleast SOME of the MILLIONS of Black folks who live in Texas from going down there and helping those people out and maybe...MAYBE...the show of support will make the government change it's too. Even when it comes to Ayiti itself....who's stopping Black politicians from demanding that assistance to that nation and Ayitian Nation building doesn't become a national priority? They just aren't focused on it. I was on social media today and there was barely a WORD about this from other Black content creators in this issue. This is one of the reasons so many don't respect the slogan "Black Lives Matter".....they see the hypocrisy in many of those chanting it.

Been following the story all morning. No words to describe my feelings on this....🤬

I agree, Troy runs an excellent forum. It's one of the things that has kept me on here for years. I've said over and over again that I'm surprised it doesn't do more traffic since social media is so restrictive and is so quick to ban people. With all of the forums on this one site.... What's stopping people from signing up, starting a thread and then posting back and forth on it like a chat room? Only difference is it may be a little slower to submit comments. I haven't seen any limits on the pages of a thread...people could potentially have a thread full of a thousand posts. I don't have to worry and say "Blk" instead of "Black" or "Wht" instead of "White" or avoid saying the word "vaccine" for fear of it getting caught up in some algorithm Plus, unlike Twitter or Youtube...where some unknown figure is sending you warnings and stikes....you can easily just e-mail Troy about a problem. But many of our people love to follow the crowd. They love to go where the "action" is and follow their friends around.

Mzuri Yeah....or they might be LYING...lol. With so much pressure coming from society to get the shot...a lot of Black folks would rather just lie and claim they had it to keep the hounds off their back and avoid hassles. It also appears that RANDY JACKSON has come to Nicki's defense: Randy Jackson defends Nicki Minaj’s vaccine tweets, praises her ‘intelligent advice’ (yahoo.com)

What about people using the term "Black Twitter" as if it's a separate and Black owned social media platform? That's what I thought when I first heard the term. I kept hearing Black people say "Black Twitter is doing this" and "Guess who's trending on Black Twitter". I was looking for a way to SIGN UP for Black Twitter and a friend told me, that's just the name for the Black community OF Twitter....lol But the way so many negroes kept saying it made it seem as if it was somehow owned and operated by us.

Mzuri Joy Ann Reid looks foolish with her various wigs and when she opens her mouth it confirms that she's gone off the rails. Lol... I actually find Joy attractive and think she looks like a giant tootsie roll I really liked her when she was in her braids. But all of that blonde hair and highlights are a turn off for a woman of her complexion. Like you I don't care for Nicki Minaj either. I don't like to see two AfroAmerican women going back and forth fighting with eachother over information NEITHER ONE of them know to be correct. I have to admit that Joy shouldn't have came at Nicki like that. She should have contacted her PRIVATELY first atleast.