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Chev He was definitely a prophet. He wrote prophesies. ????? What were some of his prophecies? You speak against written, published works of over 2000 years ago, of a man, who was highly degreed and also severely persecuted for the Word of God, and you speak with no reference. There are many references to Paul being a Roman agent who's purpose was to gain the trust of the Jews of that time in order to influence them and the new Messianic Movement many of them were participating in. One of those references can be found in the Bible in HIS very own words. In 1st Corinthians Ch. 9 we read Paul saying: Here he ADMITS that he assumed various identities to gain the trust of various peoples to fit his agenda. Are you sure you want to call a man like that a "Prophet" or man of God? He didn't even get along with one of Yashua's disciples Simeon (Peter) who insisted that new members keep the laws of Judaism while Paul wanted to relax them.

Schtever What is your name, if you don't mind? DeAngelo, "D" for short. You posted " . . .with racists being deputized to shoot people but.......": Again, facts matter, and I see you avoiding this in the context of my mentioning Floyd. I'm not sure what facts you're speaking of exactly, but I noticed that in one of your stats you wrote: "90% killed BRANDISHED A GUN (a few percent usually brandished another weapon) " I'm curious as to what does "brandish" a gun means. Are these men "brandishing" guns? and I would also like you to tell why Floyd and not Calvin Munerlyn deserves a hero's status: He doesn't, in my opinion. He doesn't deserve hero status, nor did he deserve to be tortured to death over a fake $20 bill. It is my understanding that the job of law enforcment is to APPREHEND the suspect and possibly detain them until they can be tried, sentences and/or released.....not executed in the street without judge, jury, or appeal. I asked you do you believe that there ARE actual incidents where innocent AfroAmerican citizens were killed by Caucasian police officers because of racism; and could you give me a couple of examples. You said: "to answer, in Atlanta a young black man was clearly running away unarmed from police, he was shot in the back. And nobody in my family and circle of friends (friends being from conservative to far left and including an former aid and friend a to Al Franken) supported this as justified, it was murder." I just want to make sure, is THIS one of your examples? Are you saying that you believe Rayshard Brooks' being shot in Atlanta was a racist murder by Caucasian officers? Well here's a fact for you........ In 2006 the F.B.I. issued a memo that police departments around the nation were being infiltrated by White Supremacists https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3439212-FBI-White-Supremacist-Infiltration-of-Law.html I'm not sure where the data and statistics you presented to us come from, but mine comes DIRECTLY from the highest law enforcment department in the land - (F.B.I.). Given this fact, wouldn't it be a little naive for us NOT to presume that many if not most of these law enforcement killings were RACIALLY MOTIVATED given the fact that there is documented infiltration by racists? BTW, I'm guessing you posted twice because you didn't see your first post after sending it; but because you haven't registered to this site there is a time delay between the time you post to the time it get's approved and you see it, which could be many hours. If you don't want this delay you might want to register an account so you can post in real-time and also be able to delete/edit mistakes.

Troy True, but and most of us, like me, just ignore the information. That is because most people....like you....aren't looking to gather personal information on people for the purposes of harming them or subjegating them. But the White Supremacists are. Despite all the talk of conspiracies and conspiracy theories in the AfroAmerican community, most of our people don't take them seriously; but if you listen to right-wing talk shows you'll discover that many Caucasians DO believe in government conspiracies. Why the difference? Because most Caucasians know THEIR OWN people better than most AfroAmericans do, and KNOW the wickedness and evil they are capable of.....all while wearing big smiles on their faces.

Schever Lol, not sure what any of what you wrote had to do with racists being deputized to shoot people but........ "Schtever" is an interesting name, what is it's origin? Also, do you believe that there ARE incidents where innocent AfroAmerican citizens are killed by Caucasian police officers because of racism? If you do, can you give me a couple of examples?

Today we read: A Florida sheriff said he will deputize lawful gun owners if protests turn violent (CNN)A Florida sheriff issued a strongly-worded warning to anyone who may be considering violently protesting in his county, saying he would "deputize" the county's lawful gun owners for help. "If you threaten to come to Clay County and think for one second that we'll bend our backs for you, you're sadly mistaken," Clay County Sheriff Darryl Daniels said in a video message posted on Facebook. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/us/florida-sheriff-deputize-gun-owners-trnd/index.html Now....obviously this one sheriff in one small county doesn't equate to a full fledge Civil War breaking out, but this is a CLEAR EXAMPLE of what's beginning to happen. It has ALREADY started and I've warned you all that this is NOT a game! While some of our people are bullshitting on Instagram and getting high and pretending that everything is cool, there are people who are planning and plotting their very destruction and/or RE-enslavement.

Troy Yeah, I was so focused on her clear domination in terms of wit and articulation that I paid little attention to the attire and body language. I wasn't actually WATCHING the interview for the most part but just listening to it while attending to other business but the way he was dressed and slouching in his chair - You have to wonder when he accepted the invitation to appear on her show, did he naively think he was just going to have a casual conversation about current Black issues with a "smart sista" rather than realizing that he was being invited into a lion's den by a tool of racist conservatism who's job was to crush everything him and his idealogy stood for...lol.

Troy My statement wasn't meant to be a criticizm of the process. Just offering a POSSIBLE explanation as to why some people are reluctant to actually register. But like you said, most people offer social media FAR more personal information than what is asked for here. I still don't "get" the attraction of sharing your identity, nearly all of your personal information, and your daily activities and whereabouts all over the internet for everyone to see. Some people see it as some sort of virtue.

FAS Excuse me. My last post on the subject - Dr. King did not choose anybody. It was the NAACP who chose Rosa Parks. Dr. King was a reluctant leader, i.e., he was thrust into history. He did not seek it. Perhaps you're right as to WHO decided not to use an unwed teenaged mother. It's history and I wasn't around to verify exactly who decided what. My point is it was a STRATEGIC move on the part of organizers so that the focus would be on the MOVEMENT and not on the moral short-comings of the victims. AfroAmerican organizers of today could take a lesson from our ancestors and do the same.

Troy if folks like FAS and Queenx created or used their accounts it would make things so much simpler -- I have to manually approve their posts, which is a pain really. Having to register is a CONSPIRACY!!! Lol........ Years ago I remember on most discussion boards when you could just assume an identity and post under it. The most they would do was post your IP address as a form of identification but other than that you could just hop on a site and start posting. Then after 9/11 more and more sites started forcing people to register and give their e-mail address and other personal information. At first I resisted it but after a while when nearly ALL sites started demanding that you register before posting I decided if I wanted to share my views on any subject I may as well go ahead. But still to this day.....as you already know...I try to share as little of my personal information on the internet as possible. FAS I was not looking for a long, drawn-out, deflecting, one upmanship series of back and forth posts. Well let me know when you are, lol. Not interested in all day every day half a dozen or two topics navel-gazing. Lol... Maybe you have a lot more going on in your everyday world than I do so you don't have the time that I have to exchange ideas and opinions with other AfroAmericans. It's just something I love doing. Some people love swapping pictures on Instagram or tweeting bullshit all day, I love talking politics and social issues. Black America has only one institution, the Black Church, and it is not devoted to feeding wild, sell-out dogs so that white people won't snatch them up and turn them against us. Actually HAD would be a better word to use, because the "Black Church" no longer belongs to "Black America". That ended in the G.W. Bush Administeration under the Faith Based Initiative that basically PAID OFF AfroAmerican churchs with tax-breaks, grants, and other deals as long as they stayed out of politics. In my opinion, the "Black Church" would be a bigger if not better example of "selling out" than even Candace.

Troy AfroAmericans didn't control the murders (well....indirectly, we actually did.....but that's a different story) however our REACTION to them is largely under our control. Ofcourse they control the narrative in so many ways, but when it comes to speaking and holding public rallies where we have the vast majority of freedom and control over what comes out of our mouths and what we choose to talk about too many of us don't take advantage of that particular opportunity to control the narrative and instead let the media dictate to us what we should be concerned with and focused on. I can tell you right now.....this "dismantle the police"....movement is another TRICK that is being used to try and make AfroAmerican activists and protesters look like idiots. Now the IDEA (because they aren't serious about it) is being tossed around mostly by Caucasians on the Left, but they're going to try to pin it on AfroAmerican protesters.....that THEY want to "get rid" of the police when all they've been calling for was for them to merely stop being racist and implement reform. I did not know Floyd committed an armed home invasion (did I mis-hear Candice?). Sure I can agree that Floyd is not the poster child for model behavior, but again we did not choose him as the cause celebre. So he is the guy. I've read similar stories about Floyd and his ALLEGED (because he's not here to say whether any of this is true or not) criminal history. Although his alleged past actions didn't justify his execution in the street like that......we should still be more strategic and choose more sympathetic examples to hold before the world as examples of police abuse and racist violence. You're fighting for prison reform and demand an end to the abuse and inhumane treatment of prisoners. But you don't go to a prison and point to a child molester who just got beat up as an example of abuse and inhumane treatment. Ideally, you would find a person who could play more to the sympathy of the public. Someone the public would actually FEEL SORRY for, not someone who half the population would felt deserved to be beat up. Dr. Martin Luther King was smart enough (he DID have a doctorate in philosophy) to know that choosing a 15 year old unwedded mother to base the Civil Rights movement around would have been a mistake in judgement because of how the public would have received her and judged her character. This was one of the major reasons he chose ROSA PARKS as the example instead. We can and we need to be far more strategic in our battle. BTW...... Candace OWNED the shit out of Marc in this interview, lol. I know this is her show but, she is totally controlling the direction of the conversation on nearly every point and seems to be keeping him on the defensive. Look at the 41 minute mark (shakes head) and especially at the 1:06 minute mark where she straight MAN-HANDLES him on the transgender confusion. Her delivery is far more straight forward, concise, and articulate.....while Marc is all over the damn map and can barely make his point on any subject. Don't get me wrong...... Marc is smart obviously, but he's not very articulate in my opinion. He stutters too much and it makes him look like he's on the defensive. Candice strikes me as genuinely sincere, sort of like Thomas Sowell. I've read several of Sowell's books and he helped me think about race in ways that you would not normally if you only listened to the left. I found it interesting that Candice referenced Sowell. I did not get the impression that Marc knew who Sowell was. Well she certainly sounds more genuine than say a Larry Elder or Jesse Lee Peterson....lol....who say such outrageous things that you know even THEY don't believe in half the shit they're saying. I've studied a bit of Sowell's work and not only did he articulate many conservative points but if you've ever listen to Mr. Sowell speak, he reminds me a lot of Malcolm X in his grammar and cadence. Check out some of his interviews with William F. Buckley on Firing Line. I believe that back in the day most of the earlier (1970s-1990s) AfroAmerican conservatives WERE sincere in their beliefs. They tended to be more inclined to the Booker T. Washington self reliant attitude of taking responsibility for our own upliftment instead of waiting on Caucasians for help. Today however, things are so partisan that Conservative ideology must take a back-seat to PARTY LOYALTY and most AfroAmerican conservatives are expected to just tow the Republican Party line and support whoever is running for office. The positive ideals of Conservatism have gotten lost in this current era of Trump-wor cult-worship.....lol. The thing that both Sowell and Owens seem to miss is that white folks don't play fair You're right. And neither do other ethnic groups. When you look at the behavior of most immigrant groups who come to the United States, they OPENLY practice residential segregation and practice racism when it comes to marrying, hiring their own, and other socio-economic matters.

Sometimes I wonder if these Republican Conservatives that I see on television are human clones. Whether it's Candace Owens, Gretchen Carlson, or Megyn Kelly....despite their race they all seem to have that artificial "look" about them and run their mouths in a hollow fashion that seem as if they are on automatic.....lol. Love her or hate her Candace DOES bring up some good points (especially when it comes to Black Lives Matter) that racists have used to justify the brutality of race-soldiers. I think we should learn to be more "strategic" when it comes to picking our battles of who to fight hard for and hit the streets over. I've said for weeks now that it would have been MUCH better for us to have centered our movements and focus around the Breonna Taylor case than that of Rayshard Brooks or even George Floyd. None of their deaths were justified, however Breonna's case was CRYSTAL CLEAR. She didn't have a criminal record, wasn't under the influence, and didn't resist or pose any sort of threat in any way what so ever so that leaves the racists totally disarmed from a moral and ethical point of view in the jury of public opinion.

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Chev Yes, this is scary, but I believe you. Do you know what's REALLY scary? The fact that these past couple months many AfroAmericans have clearly SEEN what works! They have SEEN that getting out in them streets and raising hell WORKS in getting us respect and getting things accomplished...... Yet despite seeing what works, some have decided to go back home and lay on the couch....with the joint in their hand.....smoking dope and talkikng shit on twitter or instagram. This is reference to being 'IN THE LORD'!!! You need to refer to the BACK UP SCRIPTURES--the other scripture that expounds upon this scripture--as the BIBLE IS BASED SOLELY ON CONFIRMATION OF SCRIPT within the entire Books of the Bible. All of the prophets confirm each other!!! But Paul (Saul) wasn't a prophet. He was most likely a Roman agent paid to infiltrate the Messianic movement of that region and "divert" it to what you see today. So if you love MAMMON--WEALTH, GAIN BY ANY MEANS, you will eventually loathe honest PRINCIPLES, honesty, Black people [even if your Black], gain by merit, etc. GOD'S PATHWAY--TRUTH. If your principle IS to gain wealth....and you love wealth.....then you're being TRUE to your principles. Different people have different principles; and for some....honesty and justice isn't one of them.

FAS If you have an account you should post under it. It says you posted this Monday but I didn't see it yesterday or I would have responded sooner. While it doesn't say "you MUST turn down more money...." it begs the question of is a lot of extra money worth more than one's principles.... which determine the fate of one's soul It looks as if you canceled out your own example saving me the trouble, because the example you gave doesn't place any demands on the individual....it simply asks them to weigh their options and as if to make a choice. However to YOUR question concering money over princples........ It depends on what your principles ACTUALLY ARE. If your principles.....like many people's....revolve AROUND making a lot of money and accumulating wealth (rather than being honest, having integrity, being courageous, ect….), then accumulating lots of money at all cost IS a principle of yours and doesn't contradict your principles at all but fullfills them. So unless your momma raised you to be a prostitute, a large salary with perks is no recommendation for pursuing a career as a sell-out and whore. This may sound like a shocking thing to say, but I have NO PROBLEM with prostitution (having sex for benefits) or whoredom (being highly promiscuous) in and of themselves. However I admit that my morality isn't linked to the Abrahamic religions or traditional Western morality. The only time these actions become problems....in my opinion....is if they are FORCED. As for treated properly by us... again, we are not the captains of our fate, the masters of our soul, i.e., we are incapable - we lack the resources, we lack the institutions - we are incapable of treating each other 'properly', monetarily, like white folk are. Lol, I noticed that after you made that bold statement you QUALIFIED the end of it with "like white folks are". Ofcourse we currently don't have the wealth and power they have to bestow upon our people. However we aren't totally destitute either. AfroAmericans have a measure of wealth, power, and influence....especially when compared to Africans in other parts of the world. It's not the LACK of it that's the problem....it's the MISUSE of those institutions, monies, and resources that is the biggest problem! Do you need an "institution" to pay a young man who routinely shovels your snow or protects you from being robbed in the neighborhood $400 or $500 as a token of your appreciation....instead of assuming he "should" be doing it? Does 5 or 6 AfroAmerican men and women on a police force REALLY lack the resources to organize a program to train self defense classes in the AfroAmerican section of the city their serve in? One of our greatest resources is our MINDS as AfrroAmericans, but many of our people fail to use them in an effort to build our own institutions and generate our own resources...and instead wait on Caucasians to provide them to us. So while you're correct -when you qualify the statement- that we don't have the institutions and resources that Caucasians have to treat our people as well as they should be treated......but we CERTAINLY have enough to do a whole lot better than what we're doing.

Chev ut I believe Omarosa, in that this Movement to start a Race Riots is/was the plan way back when due to the 2001 Twin Towers attack. Omarosa said this? I didn't know that; I'll have to look into this much deeper. I don't find the idea ridiculous because as I said in another thread it appears that many in the media feel that they can make AfroAmericans react or be silent based on how much air-time they give certain racist acts. Although both were horrible, the Breonna Taylor killing was much more violent than what happened to George Floyd....yet Breonna's murder didn't cause the massive amount of rioting and protests that George's did. The only reasons I can conclude for this is it wasn't on tape and the media didn't air it over and over again manipulating the anger of the public. However, going to Omarosa's point....... If this is true and they (the media) knows how to MANIPULATE AfroAmericans and stir them up when they get ready....that is disturbing.

Chev I deal with the kind of Black men 'in the act' of harming Black women and children, though, but I understand too the White Supremacist Movement behind this. In the act of harming them !?! Are you in Law Enforcement or a Social Worker?

That sister in the bar wasn't tripping. She wasn't over reacting and being unnecessarily hostile, her concern about this racist INTENTIONALLY spreading this mess was REAL! Look at this report:

Notice nearly all of the AfroAmericans in the bar (except for that one huge brother who came over to break up the fight) were wearing masks and OBEYING THE RULES, but none of the Caucasians in the bar were; including the ones who came into the picture during the fight. They don't think the rules apply to THEM.....they think they apply to YOU.

FAS You are correct, however I said treated properly BY US. A lot of the times, many of our people sell out and become "Black Conservatives" because they felt slighted or mistreated by fellow AfroAmericans over some issue or 2. I've seen very dark skinned women who were with Caucasain husbands/boyfriends and vow to only Caucasian men and when I ask them why they say AfroAmerican men ignored them or made fun of them. So something was wrong or lacking from their own people that "drove" them to the other side. Many AfroAmerican Conservatives pick up the mantle of the Republican party simply because they PAY them to do so....much more money than the Democrats offered them. Is it right or wrong? ((shrugs shoulders)) I've read nothing in any holy scriptures that say you MUST turn down more money for the sake of principles. Many AfroAmerican sell-outs have made a logical decision that it's best to go with whoever offered them the most benefits; especially when there are no severe consequences from AfroAmericans for selling-out. I recognize we are limited under a White Supremacist system, but where it is at all possible we should make sure we give the best and most talented of our people what they need and want to keep them in our community and on our side, or the Caucasian is liable to buy them off.

One of the many contradictions in the Bible. According to the Bible Jesus said you can't serve two masters....you must choose. But like he did many times, Paul turned around and contradicted the alleged words of Jesus by telling slaves to OBEY their masters.

I'm so proud of this brother for standing up for this sister like that! The mainstream media will show that Caucasian couple in St. Louis with guns standing outside their mason all day long to energize Caucasians, but they won't show the ABOVE video of a Caucasian couple who got a little too nasty around the wrong brother and got "regulated" on. Oh no.....lol....they don't like showing you that. I've seen many Suspected White Supremacists walking around without masks on doing whatever the hell they want to do ignoring the rules and nobody (except me) seems to be checking their asses. They walk around grabbing on their noses and some of them even cough without covering their mouths which ain't cool even with NOTHING going but especially unacceptable with this pandemic still raging. I can only conclude that many of them are KNOWINGLY and INTENTIONALLY being contrary and vulgar like a lot of Agent Orange's supporters who make it a point NOT to wear a mask.

You posted this a few days ago and I'm just now clicking on and watching it. I LOVE it! You're thinking this video will scare and energize his base, and you're probably correct to a certain extent; however one of the biggest problems is the fact the people who SAY they want real change in this nation are afraid of it and are recoiling from it. Why? Because they think what the young people are doing out there is WRONG instead of what's NECESSARY. The majority of people in this nation (AfroAmericans, most Latinos, most poor people, most women) don't like the status quo and want REAL change in this society but because most of them don't have a real plan for change nor do they know what real change would look like many feel it's probably best to keep things as they are. This sets up cognitive dissonance in their minds as they don't know who or what to believe. The racist right-wing of this nation DOESN'T have this problem, they are pro-system and pro-order all the way through and through. As it says in the Bible, you can't serve TWO masters. You must accept one and reject the other. You must love one and hate the other.

Well...…………….. Maybe I was wrong. I though there would be more outrage about this particular video than what I'm seeing so far. Maybe because the brother didn't die people didn't think it was worth raising hell over. Or, maybe because the mainstream media isn't showing it nearly as much as they showed the George Floyd video most don't know about it. Perhaps this is the reason there was more of a reaction to George Floyd and Rayshard Brooks' deaths that were caught on video, than there was for our sister Breonna Taylor who's violent death wasn't but was much more violent. However if the latter is the case...… If the only time some of our people are willing to stand up and demand justice is when the mainstream media hits them over the head with a video of racist violence over and over again so they can't ignore it or forget it, or if it's "trending" on social media -then that would be a bit disturbing because it suggests all the media would have to do is NOT show a mass slaughter in order to NOT get a reaction.

Ok...…… More and more "truth" comes out as time goes by, but not from the main stream media but from fringe media outlets often not from this nation releasing bits and pieces of facts here and there: If you look at some of the statements from this article that I highlighted in red: -So they have a suspect in custody whom they interviewed....but they don't identify him. Why not? - The mayor of Louisville.....who is Caucasian....said that the shooting was "difficult to comprehend". Even though there was PLENTY OF WARNING that armed militias would bring trouble that evening! What's so hard to "comprehend" about people TELLING you what the hell they're planning to do and DO it? -He also said that the gunman opening fire resulted in "several people firing weapons". He doesn't say armed protesters shot at him to stop him.....he makes it seem chaotic and disconnected. He doesn't want to give credit to the man of color we see early in the video with a gun approaching this race-soldier (with no uniform) and possibly neutralizing his ass and probably saving MANY lives. Instead, he'd rather call what happened "chaos" from multiple people snatching out weapons. -He also said that the gunman who initiated the incident was injured. However once again, he refuses to draw a connection and clearly state that the gunman was shot. He just says he was "injured", as if he tripped and sprained his damn ankle while running away...lol. What is my overall point? The point is the REFUSAL of the Caucasian politicians, national media, and local law enforcement in that area to praise the actions of armed probably AfroAmerican protesters who took the law into their own hands (like in Milwaukee) and neutralized this race-soldier before he could do more damage. If they were Caucasians....especially right-wing racists on a farm with their guns....the media would be praising them up and down as "good guys" with guns who stopped a "bad guy". But since they were probably AfroAmerican the media is playing dumb and hiding the facts. Now..... I also find it interesting that the police chief said that the gunman had PARTICIPATED in the protests before and was arrested SEVERAL times during the previous weeks for disorderly conduct and was repeatedly asked to leave by other protesters because of his disruptive behavior. (notice how they spell "behaviour"....which tells me this article was written by journalists OUTSIDE of the United States which explains why the little bit of truth this article DOES contain is still more truth than you're finding in the main stream U.S. media) But this statement tells me that this Caucasian man's past disruptive behavior and repeated arrests tells me that he was probably one of the White Supremacists who had been infiltrating many of these protests around the nation starting trouble and gathering intelligence. But it appears that atleast one brother (or MANY brothers and sisters .according to this article) heeded brother Tariq's advice and prepared himself for the violence brought by one of Satan's soldiers.

Now...... I find it HIGHLY interesting that once again (as in the Milwaukee vigilante situation where AfroAmericans got together and burned down a sex-trafficking house but the mainstream media did their BEST to ignore it) you have CLEAR VIDEO of a shoot out occuring in the downtown of a major city. Something that in most circumstances would be HIGHLY newsworthy; but you heard little coverage of it in the main stream media last night. You watch NBC, Fox, CNN, ect.. and they'll spend 2 hours repeating the same things over and over again..... -They'll spend 2 hours talking about some off-the-wall tweet by Agent Orange. -They'll spend 2 hours showing you a live briefing by the "Coronavirus Task Force" where 3 or 4 doctors stand up on a stage lying to you -They'll spend another 2 hours discussing what the Task Force said after they've finished -They'll spend 2 hours with their news helicopters flying over a crowd of mostly Caucasian protestors in California who are doing ABDSOLUTELY NOTHING but standing around staring at police officers in riot gear...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING worthy of news or media attention. But 5 minutes of mayhem and warfare going on in the middle of the United States gets LITTLE to NO coverage in the main stream media! Not even talked about until 5 hours after it happened. I believe they were looking for ways to "spin" the event before they reported on it. Now check out how the Wallstreet Journal reports on this today: https://www.wsj.com/articles/shooting-kills-one-at-louisville-park-central-to-breonna-taylor-protests-11593335803 Notice they don't show you the FULL clip that CLEARLY shows the Caucasian man shooting at the camp site or the (probably) AfroAmerican man with a gun approaching him to (probably) stop him with more gunfire; they instead show bits and pieces of random and irrelevant video that makes no sense of the situation. I could be wrong, but I believe this isn't done by accident but is a CLEAR attempt to cause confusion as to what really went on there and what's really going on in the United States currently.