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Cynique Looks like I just did. You seem to agree with my previous post about what women REALLY find attractive versus what they are often said to find attractive. Most young girls care about looks, most women over 30 are going for more masculine traits like being able to make money and handle business if someone messes with the family. I'm not speaking FOR women...I'm speaking FROM experience and observation. Troy You're coming from a SOCIAL point of view. I'm coming from a BIOLOGICAL point of view. Any male who attains the age of physical maturity is a MAN, period. Whether he's a GOOD man or a BAD man or a SORRY ASS man is another story, but his morals don't change the status of his masculinity. If you saw an adult male with a mustache and beard slap a woman down and snatch her purse and the police ask you for a description of the suspect.... Would you say a MAN with a mustache and beard did it? Or would you say some BOY wearing a fake mustache perpetrated the act? Or would you refrain from assigning ANY gender to him until you found out whether or not he was taking care of his children....lol. I'm not raising this point just to be contrary or opposing. I'm raising it because this idea of what and who is a "real man" has caused a lot of confustion among a lot of young men in the Black community and too many mixed messages are being sent.

SELF HATRED and IMPROPER GRAMMAR ....found through out much of the AfroAmerican community can be directly linked to the legacy of slavery, that the residue stops just about there. The vast majority of what you see happening in the hood today is as a direct result of willful ignorant and immoral choices that too many of our people have been allowed to make in a so-called "free" society that doesn't properly reprimand them for it. In this society you're FREE to be a lazy ass fool. Infact, in some cases you can get your own show and get paid to do so. And Black folks being on welfare and living in the projects has NOTHING to do with slavery. NOT ALL....but MOST are (or were until most of them got torn down) there because too many of our people like to settle down to the lowest denominator and take the easiest road in life. Many people fell on hard times and just couldn't get back up, but that's not the majority. Rather than working hard, living responsibily, and saving their money to live in a decent apartment or buy a house they can afford.....too many want to keep thier money to buy drugs/alcohol and bullshit through life. Low rent and "free" housing allowed them to do so. Finding a friend or relative soft-hearted enough for them to mooch off of will work just as fine as well. I personally didn't have a problem with the THEORECTICAL CONCEPT of the projects. Being lazy and irresponsible shouldn't be a crime. I wouldn't deny such a person the basics of food clothing and shelter. I just won't subsidize their laziness and irresponsibility. I don't like how they tore down the projects and started subsidizing apartments and houses. Section 8 has made the problem even worse. Now the same trouble making bums who were confined to the projects have now been permitted to spread thier evil all over the city. My organization is currently pushing the idea of REBUILDING public housing projects and shelters so that families peole who can't afford thier own houses and apartments can have a place to stay instead of begging and bumming on the street and posing a public health hazzard. But this time we'll do it with proper security and maintenance to make sure knuckleheads don't tear it up like they've done so many times before. I know about White priviledge and the feelings of entitlement, I also know that Asians and Arabs and Africans come over to America and end up doing better than Whites! It's the CULTURE of White America that allows so many of them to build wealth and keep it and it's the CULTURE of Black America that keeps so many Black people in poverty and reduces even those who come from the middle class down into poverty in just 1 or 2 generations.

Cynique I guess you and ole Big Foot Joe are just leaving yall carbon foot prints all over Chicago because you can't control your ravenous appetite for cheeseburgers. ((shakes head)) Well, atleast you have a spot to take your Latin (and Jewish O Boy Oy Vey) lovers...lol. Troy People like structure and familiarity. Even if they know it's a belief forced on them, if they are born into it then it becomes an institution they can fall back on in times of need.....especially during a crisis. Also, I wouldn't categorize the acceptance of religion with the acceptance of homosexuality anymore than I would with race. Three different subjects that should be handled differently. You shouldn't have to be gay to understand gay people. Hell, homosexuals are supposed to be attracted to the SAME SEX. Which begs to question how a man who is supposedly gay can maintain an erection for a woman hard enough to continually satisfy her for 8 years without her knowing> I'm not making a statement, I'm merely asking a question..... Mike Tyson said: "Is dat so whuuooong?"

A woman can take little kids by the hand and raise them too.....lol. As noble as it is, sticking around and raising children doesn't make you any MORE of a man than the deadbeat bum who knocks a woman up and runs off to duck responsibility. It makes you a BETTER man, but not MORE of a man. In other words, being nice and a gentleman isn't necessarily going to make you more attractive to women. They are attracted to men who have money and can protect them, this is universal. All the "listen up" and "let's sit on the stoop and rap" talks in the world aren't going to change a young man's mind when he sees what's really going on in his neighborhood and which kind of men are getting the girls.

Women are attracted to men....period. It has little to do with their morality or discipline, it's biological. They would HOPE that the man takes care of his children and treats them right, but if he doesn't they will still be attracted because that's the way nature designed them to be. When you see a bad ass woman walking down the street with a butt so lovely it slows down the traffic and grinds it to a halt, you aren't thinking about her "character" or her ethics. You're focused on a biological urge. Nor do I think it's any fairer to compare strong sexual urges to being animalistic than a strong appetite for food or a desire to sleep for extended periods of time....all of these are natural biological urges.

Cynique Mickey ain't put burgers in Styrofoam since the Run DMC/Big Daddy Kane days....lol. If you stumbled upon and decided to start nibbling on some old cheeseburger you found in a Styrofoam container , maybe somebody ought to give YOU a "special gift" ! Troy I'm not saying what he can or can't physically do. People have been known to do some amazing things. I'm just wondering how can a man who supposedly doesn't like coochie actually get "hard" for it....especially enough for a normal sex life. It would be different if he said he was "bi", but he said straight up gay. It's not adding up....but hey.

You have a weird sense of humor. You tell jokes and make funnies that only YOU seem to "get".....lol. But since you brought up slavery and apologies (even in a silly context), we know that the conditions in the ghetto (children born out of wedlock, gang violence, drug use, ect.....) aren't as a result of the legacies of slavery. Most of these social ills are as a DIRECT result of the ignorance and immorality that has spread through out much of the modern AfroAmerican community like a plague. Hell slavery legally ended around 1865 and even during Jim Crow and up until the 70's Black people were steadily progressing in business, wealth, supporting thier families, building religious institutions (churces, mosques, ect...) Then in the 80s shit started taking a turn for the worse. DRUGS and GANGSTA RAP were the 2 demons unleashed in the 80s to strip many of our people from their morals and destroy them from the inside out.

She sat up there and said: "And I ain't going through all the trouble of checking a bunch of posts to find proof that you talk out of both sides of your mouth when it comes to god. Since you're denying it, you prove that you didn't say what I accused you of ." .....knowing damn well you can't prove a negative So in other words, what she really did was make a FALSE STATEMENT that she couldn't back up.....lol. Well, being the take charge type of MAN that I am..... And seeing as how I'm the one who's really in control of this exchange.... And seeing that my missions have been accoplished..... That being: 1. Defended myself in a thread actually started by Cynique in an attempt to "call me out" 2. Proven...even to her...that my assertions concerning Black men and testosterone are true 3. I have show the audience that Cynique is an emotional basketcase with an active imagination. And since this exchange is no longer educational or even entertaining......... I will end it. ((Pioneer gets up and leaves Cynique sitting on the dusty ground in a raggedy little dress with her marbles and jacks laying besides her, smiles, and says to her as he steps into his Benz )) It's time now for grown people to go and take care of grown folks business Don't worry little Cynique, we'll play together again when I find the time....lol.

Cynique Didn't you call Fred Hampton your "homie" a few posts ago? I wonder how your "homie" would feel hearing you talking about some of his comrads like that. I admit I don't know much about the Panthers except from what I've read and seen in documentaries but it's hard to believe the majority of them were as crude as you depicted. If they were as self destructive as you claim, why would Hoover have targeted them so aggressively?

Harry Allen the Media Assasin Harry Brown I know the question......for you Boitumelo Mr Brown....is just rhetorical...lol. But men cheat for the same reasons some people eat too much. They are undisciplined when it comes to governing their natural urges. Plus this society offers no stiff (no pun intended) penalties for those who engage in adulterous behavior.

I would appreciate more feedback on the ACTUAL SUBSTANCE of my previous post........... But gay people DO seem to be very wealthy, as a group atleast. Somebody asked me a question jokingly years ago have I ever seen a homeless or broke gay man.. I laughed a little...then thought about it a bit and had to admit I hadn't. I have a theory about why this is and it's connected to the educational system. And posting that SNL video of White men who can sing??? Cynique, you're not throwing salt in anyone's wounds....lol. You're just being your usual SALTY self.....'cuz I'm not "wounded" in the least. I've never agued that White men couldn't sing, dance, fuck, or be cool otherwise. Nor have I said they spent all thier time conspiring to emasculate Black men. I simply said that there are those in the media who seem to have an agenda to feminize the image of Black men. The rest of that garbage is just part of your overly active imagination.

Cynique Yes, you really "stepped right into it" tonight....lol. I'm a productive law abiding Black man who abhors ignorant and antisocial behavior, especially when it's perpetrated against people of color (Black, Brown, Yellow, ect). And you have a problem with that? It would be another thing if she WAS CHINESE. But the lady was JAPANESE! It's not about taking credit for it. I can encourage his civility and ASSOCIATE myself with the likes of other civilized law abiding Black people in an effort to combat the self-destructive ignorance that seems to be so malignant in some Black communities. Again, do you have a problem with a Black man doing that? And you devalue YOURSELF and look silly when you repeatedly make up stories and accuse people of saying things that they haven't even come close to saying. Keep doing it and people will stop taking anything you say seriously. Are these the same men you call "drug crazed thugs" in another thread???? Well............. Maybe the Panthers SHOULD have done a little more apologizing for the stupid behavior of the most vulgar of our people back then. Perhaps it would have brought more peace and understanding between them and the police and White society in general. They knew who the thieves and dope dealers were. They should have warned them about victimizing the community and if they refused to heed those warnings then grab them and turn their asses in to the police themselves. Even at that time you can't tell me that ALL the police in Oakland, Chicago, and other cities were crooked and racist. Not only aren't all White racist, but I've found out that a lot of those who are racist were MADE that way by seeing so much ignorance and vulgarity among AfroAmericans on a daily basis and I bet many of them are even more confused as to why few other decent AfroAmericans willing to confront them on thier anti-social behavior. You sit up and watch your own people act a natural fool, then you want to get mad at the police and call them racist because YOU were to lazy or indifferent to enforce standard of decency and morality in your own neighborhood. What ever happened to keeping our own in check? The 2 groups bringing this nation down is IGNORANT Black folks and RACIST White folks and both of them feed of of the behavior of eachother.

Cynique Hmmmm.... Since you said it, can you SHOW us where I said I believed in god just to cover my ass? ((BTW , I know what I said to Troy a few weeks ago which was nothing like that)) The audience is waiting for proof and they aren't in the mood for your usual disappointing performance, lol. Well my goodness.... How can one NOT have a messianic complex when dealing with such a pitiful being who obviously needs someone to swoop down and save her from her own self destructive delusions? By your own admission, you didn't even know the facts about Black male biology until I EDUCATED you on it and forced you to research it for yourself. Sheeeeeyid.....you should have a palm in your hand waving it in appreciation right now.

For a quick second i entertained the idea the Black people would be more successful if they would stop being so beholden to the Democrat Party and kind of balance thier votes between the Democrats and Republicans to make both parties fight on behalf of our interests. But now, since both parties get so much of thier funding from the rich and could care less for the support of the "little man".....I don't think that strategy would be very effective anyway. I'm neither a registered Republican NOR Democrat because I think both parties have policies that are not only NOT in the best interests of AfroAmericans, but now aren't even in the best interests of the American people in general.

Like the brutha told the nurse when he went in for his physical: Brace yourself, this is about to be a long one....... "For what doeth it profit a man to gain the WHOLE WORLD but lose his OWN SOUL?" It's a sign of how intellectually and morally immature some people are when they will gladly play the role of a criminal, pervert, ignoramous or otherwise social deviant just for money not realizing the devasting effects those images have on the developing minds of young people. Back in the 80s and 90s, I rarely saw Black men switching and pouting and looking sweet in public. But after Jamie Foxx (Wanda) and Martin Lawrence (Shanana) started putting on wigs and dresses and acting like women...... Now you have a generation of young men getting off buses and walking around in shopping malls with silly grins on thier faces switching and lisping and acting JUST LIKE those characters they saw on television as children. Ever wonder why your parents warned you not to make fun of or mock handicapped people or mentally retarded people? In Morehouse College down in Atlanta the Dean had to put out an executive order prohibiting the young men from coming to class in dresses, lipstick and high heels! Yes..... I couldn't believe it until I went down there a few years ago and SAW for myself why he had to do that! Now I'm not gay bashing here..... Homosexuals are human beings and have a right to be who they are, but Troy when you ask "who cares" if Collins is gay or not, it doesn't matter, it reminds me of the argument over the color of Jesus. There are some who ask: "Who cares if he was Black, White, or Brown....as long as you believe." But my answer was always; "Well SOMEBODY obviously cared, because they took to the time to change him from his original color to making him White."......lol. And somebody STILL cares because they're keeping his image as White on most of the pictures and movies till this very day despite overwhelming evidence that he wasn't White...lol. It's the same with Black sexuality. SOMEBODY in the media seems to find it important to put Black men in dresses. SOMEBODY sees fit to include a Black man making advances towards a White guy in prison scenes in the movies incinuating rape. SOMEBODY in the media seems to think it was proper to put a rainbow halo around President Obama's head and call him the first "gay president". And SOMEBODY in the media seems to have made it thier mission to find as many gay Black celebrities and atheletes as they can....encourage them to "come out"....and then broadcast this to the whole world. It's funny to me with all the White atheletes in Hockey and baseball and NASCAR that none of THEM have openly come out as gay. Also it's funny to me how a so-called "gay" man can maintain an erection for and have sex with a woman for 8 years without her having a clue. Being a straight brother, and as many times as I've been around other nude males in school or in camp I've NEVER gotten even a mild erection for another dude, let alone one hard enough for sex because I'm just not oriented that way. Now if you're gay...you're gay. But I'm wondering how a so-called "gay" man managed to get an erection hard enough to sexually please a woman for 8 years to the point she didn't even realize he wasn't liking it? This whole thing smells fishy to me. I wouldn't be suprised if him and some of these other cats weren't being PAID to "come out" as gay as some sort of publicity stunt. When you have young men so confused that they will play dope dealers, gangsters, or put on dresses and wigs and act funny for a little money....why would they be above this also?

Cynique Not exactly sure what you mean. Care to elaborate? But ya know....... I hear the same SILLY "reasoning" coming from some of the teenagers when I correct them for call eachother nigga in public and even brag about engaging in illegal and immoral activities without caring who's listening . One smartass with a doo-rag on his head and a swisher-sweet blunt stuck in his ear will blurt out, "Yeah but...but..White folks be doin' the same thang!!" Yes, offensive and vulgar behavior can be found in EVERY race; certainly Black people have no monopoly on it. But White people have built great cities, tall buildings, monuments, and established nations that are still in existance today to point to as a sign of thier intelligence. So if one or 2 of them happen to fall through the cracks, who cares? For every one White FOOL you can find 2 who are accomplished and successful. Can you say the same thing about OUR people? Until you can....... Take that Swisher Sweet out of your ear and recognize how SILLY it is in trying to justify stupid behavior among our people by saying White people do it too, lol. And when have I devalued Black Panther women?

Cynique If you think women who reward men for putting thier lives and freedoms on the line to fight injustice and police brutality are somehow being "exploited"....well. WATER STAR Water Star....whereever you are..... Cynique is holding the passenger door open for you to get into a car that's going NOWHERE fast. Don't get in! Walk...no.....RUN away! RUN FOREST....RUN FOREST....RUN...lol. Pioneer NEVER said he approved of the disrespect of women, inside or outside the Panthers. I said that women shouldn't mind having sex with good men...brave men....who are working to build a better Black community, that's all. Don't fall for the okey-doke! Shut the door on that crazy lady and RUN....lol. Troy What you're talking about is an actual AGENT more so than an INFORMANT but I understand what you're saying about not accepting hearsay and getting 3rd and 4th hand information. That's why I prefaced my comments by saying, "From my limited understanding of them......." When it comes to the history of the Panthers and other revolutionary groups, I'm in no position to separate fact from fiction. History is written and rewritten and rewritten and everybody has an opinion about how things went down. Just when you thought you knew all there was to know about Lincoln and Kennedy; here comes ole rightwing Bill O'Reilly producing books with "brand new information" on these presidents that seems to have escaped all the historians and scholars who studies them for decades....lol. In my opinion, to really know the truth of the past you'd have to actually BE THERE to experience or witness it, Anything else is just that....HIS-story. If it were up to me, I wouldn't even teach history in the educational system.

Republicans have a history of finding the the most uncharismatic "funny style" negroes to get behind for president just to make fools of them. Look at how they treated both Herman Cain and Alan Keyes before him. Both of them were far more conservative than the other White candidates they were running against and used to say everything the conservative crowd wanted to hear but everyone KNEW they weren't going to be president. I never will forget the night Alan Keyes showed up to the Republican presidential debate and Pat Buchanan and the others actually called the cops on him and had him taken away. Watch for it after the 3 minute mark:

Society tends to promote the idea of the Black EUNUCH. A big strong man with excellent athletic prowess but has no sexuality about him except in a negative manner (rape, sexual predator, sexual perversions, sexual dysfunction, ect.....) Have you noticed that more and more often the only Black man welcomed on some of these talk shows is one who is flamboyantly gay? Whether you turn on the television where White men are constantly being shouted and whisteled at by the audience as they come out for an interview..... Go to a movie where a White man is kicking the ass of aliens, bad guys, and Black criminals, and still finds time to come home and make love to his woman......... Or just look at the magazines next to the check-out lanes in your local grocery store with a weekly list of the "hottest hunks" and all you see are White faces........ White male sexuality is being pushed hard today. If you notice, 20 years ago it was New Edition, Jodeci, and Boyz 2 Men that had the girls jumping up and down screaming, the powers that be took notice and used the media to promote the Backstreet Boys, Nsync, ect....... NOW where are the Black "boy bands"????? No more Jackson 5, now you got Maroon 5 If you want some soul, no more 112.....now you got Justin Timberlake in a tuxedo dancing and spinning around on Saturday Night Live or some clown in a t-shirt beating on a guitar and crying about "hey soul sista". This isn't by accident but part of it comes from.....as we've so often discussed on this site....Black people being ashamed of and tending to downplay Black male sexuality. Since so many Black men are ashamed to be sexual today, many young White men see that as an opportunity to exert themselves into the role of "soulful lover".

I'm not sure who you took that "take" from...because it's certainly not mine. I firmly and definately believe that God exists. Yep. That pretty much sums it up. I see you've learned SOMETHING from our dialog....lol. A true student of Buddhism would take exception to what you just said, lol, If your way is based in truth....why not be FIRMLY based in it?

Not only did Jamal have a criminal record but so did many if not most of the other Panthers and it's that criminal behavior that leads to so much trouble inside and outside so many of these grass roots organizations. From my limited understanding of them, many of the Panthers studied Malcolm X and modeled thier organization as a militia based on Malcolm's call for the Black community to defend itself. Like Malcolm and the Nation of Islam many of the Panthers were from the streets and had criminal records....but UNLIKE Malcolm and the Nation they were pro-Communist and being more political didn't have much of a MORAL foundation to keep themselves in check.

Believe me, I'm not trying to start static by saying this but............ What was wrong with those women playing the typical role of women and sacrificing part of themselves to give sex and comfort to brothers who were actually getting things done? How come they couldn't atleast ACT like they loved playing the supporting role when they had men out there risking thier lives and freedoms on behalf of the Black community? Was that asking for too much? Hell, if you'll screw a man to get some drugs or to get him to take you to a movie...what's wrong with doing it as a reward for community activism? Men from every nation around the world enjoys support and backing from their women who stand back and cheer them on and seem quite happy and excited to do so.....that is....except for "you know who". It seems that when....."You know who"....begins to look for HIS woman to cheer him, too often he finds her sitting on a curb somewhere chewing on gum with a mean scowl on her face looking like she really doesn't want to be there, lol.

Lol, must I bring the dunce-hat and stool in from the other room? I'm one of those who believe and insist that every problem has atleast ONE solution and most problems have multiple solutions. Also, problems can actually be a way to improve things beyond the original state! It's oversimplifying the issue to just say that Black people are just turning against eachother. Again, many Black people are SEPARATING themselves from the overwhelming ignorance and immorality they are seeing so much of and feel they can do little about. I went to a beautiful Japanese resturant for lunch today and it was a nice and peaceful environment until....."you know who"...showed up. I should have known there would be trouble when I saw a Black woman in a Fila tracksuit and a long blonde wig fitted improperly on her head...... A few minute later I heard the sound of a loud hoarse voice commonly heard in the back alley of a ghetto but rarely in a Japanese Resturant in the suburbs and it was fussing and arguing and demanding this and that and a few minutes later I saw 2 or 3 Japanese employees going in that direction and more arguing and threats to call the police. ((shakes head)) The lady who runs the place knows me and saw me looking at the incident and later came over to apologize for the scene but I stopped her and instead apologized to HER for the stupid and silly behavior of that woman. Why? Because SO MANY Black people are acting a straight up-n-down FOOL today that if some of us don't acknowledge it and apologize people will begin to think we all either engage in or condone such anti-social and disgusting behavior. As a kid I didn't think I'd be one of "those" type of Black people. The type who went around apologizing to White folks for the behavior of Black people. I used to think it was so Uncle-Tomish and unnecessary. But here I was apologizing on behalf of the Black race to this Japanese woman as I've done other times to Whites, Asians, and even Black Africans who've had first hand encounters with the IGNORANCE that hate produced. We must separate and distance ourselves from the dead weight in order to progress and move on.

I look at it like this............. If you're getting some sort of concrete benefit from it like using social media to start a business, make more money, or keep up with a child.....I can understand. There's a legitimate purpose for it. It's an investment. But just to yap and yap and talk about the same rehashed garbage that you just got through talking about 15 minutes ago, it's a waste of time and energy. It also makes you look weak in my opinion because it's like and emotional crutch that people have to lean on. I would feel ashamed to just call another man up and casually ask, "So what you doin'.....where you at".....without something productive to ask or tell him. But I'm an introvert by nature so people who know me have often told me that most people don't look at social interaction the same way I do. I can go for 2 or 3 days without talking to anyone. Most people can't do that, so I take that into consideration when I try to figure out why people spend so much money on social media and post all thier info on places like Facebook and Instagram.

Boitumelo Harry Brown Lol. I agree some of this is divide and conquer, but much of this dislike and Black people distancing themselves from eachother not only culturally but often physically is often done for quite logical reasons. Certainly not all or even most, but too many of our people are just plain stupid and ghetto. There....I said it. Too many of our people are steeped in ignorance and vulgarity to the point of it being unbearable to deal with, and those who WANT to live peaceful productive lives often don't know what to do about the situation. They don't want to get hurt either physically or emotionally dealing with the vulgar and callous people that the modern ghettos of America often make NOR do they want to contribute to Black-on-Black violence by defending themselves and hurting their own people out of frustration or self defense. .....so they run away and try to get as far away from Black people and what they see as "Black culture" as possible.