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.....mmmmmm BOY it's amazing how quickly the wheeeeeels get to rollin' and the geeeears get to turnin' when Negroes get to sweating and tearing shit up! They were killing Black people with impunity just a few weeks ago, now I'm hearing that people are getting fired just for LOOKING at a Black person cross eyed....lol.

Obama should have been fighting for universal healthcare. He had the charisma to get it done....if he had really wanted to.

Lol, damn! Chev I think I still need some therapy. Lol...... If you're anywhere NEAR as angry as your post comes across.....I don't think even therapy will help! I think you should consider training for MMA (mixed martial arts) competitions where you can blow off some steam by shedding some blood in the ring! It's a shame how so many AfroAmericans are having their c hildren snatched away from them over the most petty bullshit reasons, meanwhile out in places like Nevada and Utah you have entire White CULT communities where children are being raised on isolated compounds as slaves and being brainwashed and the government does pretty much nothing about it. I used to live in Arizona and you have dozens of these Mormon compounds where entire communities of children are being raised in abusive communities. In these places incest is also very common and the local law enforcement not only know about it but are in on it! But there are cases where an AfroAmerican woman may be driving with her children and if she has a traffic ticket warrant and gets stopped....instead of the cop considering the children and choosing NOT arresting her....some of these no good racists will choose TO arrest her and instead of allowing her to call a family member to come and her the children until she gets out of jail, they will PUT THEM into Child Protective Services and hope they end up in the system! And then do you know what happens to many Black children who end up in the foster care system? They end up being adopted by wealthy homosexual Caucasian couples! These type of couples TARGET Black children for adoption so they can experiment raising them into freakish behavior!

Camila I would not allow myself to be subjected to this type of disrespect and abuse and would look for other employment and/or start a business. I would also report this matter to the proper agencies. So what I'm hearing is..... Your answer to that type of abuse is to express your grievances but then LEAVE that abusive environment and for a better one or better yet CREATE one for yourself that would no doubt be far better! Splendid! Now apply this hypothetical to OUR REAL condition as AfroAmericans in the United States. Instead of using this uprising as an oppportunity to complain TO racist Caucasians in power about OTHER racist Caucasians in power not treating us right, attempting to gentrify our neighborhoods, and discriminating....we should use this opportunity to not only express out outrage BUT ALSO announce our "permanent" vacation from "massa's planation" ! This is our opporunity to build a society of our own with our own economy, our own social systems, our own family structures, and our own institutions. If Caucasians want to gentrify Harlem.....I say let them. Take Washington Heights too while you're at it! There are over 10,000 square miles of relatively undeveloped land in the REST of New York state that we as AfroAmericans can fan out into and develop for our livelihood Now is the time to do so.... If Caucasians want to discriminate against AfroAmericans on the jobs, maybe we shouldn't be working for THEM in the first place anyway. I don't know about you but I don't want Caucasians tell me what to do anyway. Never was too crazy about it. When they hired me, I'd tell them to train me properly how to do the job and then get the hell out of my way....lol. Instead of wasting time and energy trying to seek justice in THEIR society and live under THEIR rules and regulations..... Maybe it's time for us to just establish our own businesses and make our own money and generate our own wealth and use our own wealth to make our own clothes and build our own houses and tell the Caucasians who don't like it to go straight to hell.

Troy Man...what in the world. Your point was made BEFORE that rather graphic hypothetical. ((shakes head)) For one thing, it doesn't matter if Black people WEREN'T watching drag-queen shows before. Once Ru Paul and other AfroAmericans begin to star on the show MORE AfroAmericans will begin to watch it because it's human nature for people to want to see themselves on television and in the movies. Secondly, just like drug, cigarettes, and junk food....it doesn't matter how many Caucasians engage in these vices, they don't affect them like they effect us because our natures are different. Caucasians drink more alcohol than Native Americans yet their communities aren't NEARLY as devastated by alcoholism and it's by-products like Native American communities are. Why? Beause out nature is different than theirs. A rattle snake can bite a pig and not only will it NOT kill the pig but the pig can actually turn around and eat the snake whole! YOU can't do that....because your nature is different. You can't look at Caucasians doing something and assume YOU can do the same thing and it will affect you the same because what may be good for THEM to engage in may be harmful for US.

Chev GET THIS!!!--I just listened to New York's Juliano and he said that that man Derek should have been charged with FIRST DEGREE!!! I agree with this. As I said before, they both knew eachother and I believe Chauvin had it in for him for a while and saw his opportunity to kill this man. I could be wrong, but I don't believe I am. HIs wife, Kelley Chauvin has officially filed for divorce!!! Good. She....a woman of color....shouldn't have married a that violence-prone racist to begin with. It probably wasn't TOO hard for her to do, because there's no telling why she REALLY married him in the first place. Many Asian-Caucasian relationships are business arrangements. For the record, you speak of the Amorites but you should know that they were an ORIGINAL people. Like the Anakim and most of the other Canaanites, the Amorites were very tall giant "Black" people who inhabited and built many cities in ancient Palestine before the Caucasians (children of Israel) invaded their land and attacked them. Just like they did the Native Americans. ....just thought I'd throw that in there, lol. 　 　 　 Troy I bet that was done to protect these home and other assets from the inevitable civil suit. Damn. That's a great observation! They can't, short of a vaccine. I think a few of them are just crazy enough to go ahead and open up in full force! If no one get's sick from these protests (and I hope they don't) , they'll SURELY use this as an example of why they might as well just open on up.

LeBron James Says This The --Reason Quarterback Colin Kaepernick Was Kneeling Down Much respect for Lebron for using his platform as a super star to speak out on these issues, but he's kind of wrong on this one...... The REAL reason Kaepernick began kneeling in protest (which in my opinion appears to show MORE respect for the flag and national anthem than simply not standing for it) is because a CAUCASIAN man whispered in his ear and tricked him into it. I forgot what he was doing originally, but after this Caucasian man who was a military veteran had a meeting with him and gassed him up about how much he respected his cause and offered the idea of how it would be better and more effective if he "took a knee" in protest....then Colin began doing it and some other sheeple followed suit. Deceptive intelligence. This should be a lesson that we shouldn't let those from outside of our community talk us into doing things we're not sure about doing.

Tim Wise is my boy! I gotta take in and analyze this before commenting on it.

Chev GET THIS!-- He worked off duty as a security guard to supplement his income. Guess what!? Derek Chaupin worked at the very same club where George Floyd was also employed as a bouncer!!! Oh yes. Now, I again, think this might have been planned. I believe that George Floyd may have been stocked. He left Texas to start a new life and had lived in Minnesota for five years and lost income due to Coronavirus. He obviously became depressed! But life can be a POETIC JUSTICE because sooner or later, there will be many other people of all walks of life that face this same economic depression, and what can the government do to prevent others from melting down? I believe that Chaupin was in a White Supremacist rage over his economics and he is ignorant enough to blame Black people, not this government that gave him a cushy lifestyle on the backs of slavery. And GET THIS--Derek Chaupin's wife is Asian, just like the other two police that held George Floyd down!!! Chev, you brought up some facts about this case that me and other's have been discussing among ourselves but we really haven't heard much about it online much less in the media and that is the fact that these two PROBABLY DID know eachother. Infact, I wonder if this wasn't actually a case of hatred and murder based on the fact that Floyd had a Caucasian girlfriend! They say many cops are trained to remember faces! You're not going to tell me that they worked in the same club FOR YEARS and Chauvin didn't know this man! If they were bouncers in the same club, even if they didn't work together as partners they would have surely come across eachother for meetings and certain events. That police officer would surely have known about Floyd's fiance and probably didn't like it and saw this as an opportunity to take it out on him. Or maybe that fell out with eachother over something else and Chauvin saw his opportunity, but he KNEW George and saw his opportunity! Look at how he kept his hand in his pocket and stared down at George looking him in the eyes while choking him. Staring at him just as calm and relaxed. The shit looked personal.

Eye for an Eye..... To use the words of Delano, the brother sounds OLD TESTAMENT to me. It's a refreshing change from what we HAVE been hearing from a lot of these family members who don't let the body of their loved ones get cold first before they're on television talking about how they "forgive" the killer. A good example is Botham Jean's punk ass brother who was all on television talking about forgiveness for the murderer of his own brother and even had the nerve to sit up on the stand and ask the bitch for a hug! Tariq Nasheed and others have said that if they ever meet an unfortunate demise at the hands of a race-soldier (a racist who is merely posing as a police officer) DO NOT call for peace or forgiveness talking some crazy shit about "Well, .that's what he would have really wanted.....peace". He said, "Yall better get some REVENGE for my ass" .....lol. I know quite a few people who say that if they are ever a victim racist violence DO NOT forgive the perpetrator and make sure to raise holy hell in retaliation! Infact, I think ONLY the victim of the crime has the right to forgive the assailant anyway. How in the hell can a woman's SON forgive the person who killed HER?

Camila Hello, welcome to the site. You said now is the time for us to bring up gentrification and job discrimination. Got a question for you....... Let's say you're working on a job that is VERY hard physically, gives you very few benefits, no breaks, and only pays you $7 an hour.......but all of your supervisors and managers talk nice to you. But lately SOME...but not all....of the supervisors and managers have began talking abusively to you and berating you and some have even threatened to harm you insisting that you work harder while others still talk nice. What would you do in that situation?

Troy A society dominated by oligarchs and a legacy of structural racism Wasn't this the case 100 years ago when many of these Black publications were started? Back during the 10s, 20s, and 30s you had the Fords, Rockekellers, and the Carnegies just like you have the Musks, Bezoses, and Gates of today. And it could be argued that the racism was MORE ingrained in the structure back in those days that they are today. Perhaps it's not the environment that has changed so much as it was something ABOUT US that may have changed.

Man, looks like Shy dug deeeeep for this one.....lol. I personally have NO PROBLEM with prostitution (male or female) or people stripping (male or female) for a living or just for fun.....AS LONG AS THEY ARE ADULTS AND AREN'T BEING FORCED. My morality isn't tied to sexuality or sexual behavior EXCEPT when it come to rape or pedophilia because it's against people's will...therefore is an act of violence. You know....... Maybe it's just the "black conservative" in me....lol. But now a days with so many shows that seem to be promoting Black men in "drag"; I'm just glad to see a show with REAL BLACK WOMEN getting naked. T be honest when I first saw the title of this thread I thought if may have been about men dressing up as women and then stripping. HBO TLC VH1 .....and other networks have began an all out campaign of parading as many men of color in "drag" as they can. Every week there's a new show coming out featuring Ru Paul or Billy Porter snapping and switching and I though this was just another one. Until I looked at the date when the thread was started, lol. Not that I think dressing in drag is immoral, as I said my morals aren't tied to sexuality except for a couple categories. But I DO see an agenda to cause sexual confusion among AfroAmericans.

Chev Well, I am pretty sure that I won't get that kind of 'economic relief check' because in the past two times it was handed out, I did not receive it. I have finally paid all of my 'back taxes' off a few years ago. Due to trying to get into family court years back, I filled out my taxes so that I could get a larger pay check from my job to pay court fees, so for many years and INTEREST, I would always owe until after my children were grown. So, if you owed taxes, you could not get that relief back in, I think 2003 and then maybe 2008 during presidential elections. And now, the block is medical bills!! LOL. So, I screwed in every way! What?????? Damn! It's a shame that they don't want to just help out EVERYBODY who is living in the nation. Initially the plan was to give ALL AMERICANS $1,200 to help the economy! Then they turn around and started tying it to taxes, bank account, this, and that...... So, are people who DON'T owe taxes or child support the ONLY ones who have to eat and pay bills during the crisis????? See, that's what I mean Sis....about how the economy is built off of lies and games and exploitation. They have to play games and tricks with the money to LIMIT the amount of people being helped. Instead of cutting a damn check for everyone, they say you can get your $1,200 ONLY IF: A,B, C & D......if you are E & F you don't qualify. Legal bills are another trick to keep many people broke. Spending your time and money fighting over bullshit that should be legal and shouldn't cost you a dime. There's no telling what Troy has to go through just to build and maintain this site and his book club. Honestly, that "Cash for Clunkers" shit that Obama pulled on the peole was another joke. Here I was getting ready to turn in a couple old cars that had been just sitting in the lot barely running thinking I could get $600 for them each....and find out that turning in the car is only good for CREDIT TOWARD ANOTHER. So it was basically a TRICK to get you to buy another car and get into MORE DEBT. This is why I'm GLAD to see those kids stand up and do what they're doing! If the system can't be fair and treat people properly what the hell good is it for the long term? Enough of the gotdamn games!

Chev Ofcourse there has BEEN a plan by the Caucasians in power in this nation for over 50 years to TRY and remove the AfroAmerican population and replace it. -First, they wanted to send us to Africa after being freed from slavery, but that would cost too much. -Others wanted to commit outright genocide, but the smarter ones KNEW that killing our people unjustly would lead to their own doom! (which is why they usually try to get Black folks to kill eachother so they don't have to) -Some smart ones decided to RE-enslave the Black population through share-cropping and imprisoning them and have kept this system for over a century but time is running out and too many AfroAmericans are waking up to this. -Ohhh but NOW you have a generation of godless atheistic Caucasians who don't believe in God or morality and have decided to TRY to kill Black folks out right because the current economic system won't survive by treating us properly. You see, this economic system is built upon cheap and exploited labor: -slavery -prison labor -illegal immigrants -ect... Except for the AfroAmericans they have locked up in prison and forced to work for next to nothing, they have no use for the other AfroAmericans who they don't want to hire and must pay a half-way decent wage. So the plan is to remove the "Blacks" and replace them with the "Browns".....poor, half-educated Central Americans who will work their asses off and not complain to do the physical labor. That's their plan. But The SUPREME BEING has other plans for America....and for us!

I, along with many others personally believe that Trump was Divinely put in that office to do JUST what he was predicted to do!

　 Troy Yes, they also find this evil entertaining and it drives revenue. They most certainly find this entertaining. Infact, before the internet Caucasians used to share private videos called "snuff films" where people were recorded being tortured and murdered in real life and they'd sit around drinking, watching this madness, and having a good time! Now they can sit back and watch it all they want on a computer. I used to work with guys who LOVED to sit up and watch real people die, probably getting erections from it. It's in their nature....look at how they smiled and posed during lynchings. Infact, that one dude in Georgia who followed and recorded the father and son who killed Aubrey......... What some were saying was that the video was already being circulated around BEFORE he turned it in. He probably was recording it NOT to save Aubrey, but to record his murder so that he and others could enjoy it and this is probably one of the reasons they arrested him even though he turned it in. I keep going back and forth between THAT being the reason he was arrested OR he was arrested for "telling" on other White men by turning in that video. Probably a bit of both. This country is unraveling before our eyes. Hopefully we will work this out. The rich like Mark, Jeff, and 45 have little to worry about. They will do quite well. The rest if, us especially those with darker complexions, will need to be prepared for a world of hurt. Some of us think we are experiencing this now ... you haven't seen anything yet. I've been praying for this world to come to an end for a long time (back when I was a little Christian boy...lol) and it looks as if it's FINALLY happening. It looks as if my prayers for this are being answers (as they have in other situations). Keep in mind I said "world"...not the Earth....or humanity...but this world/system. The only thing I question is why hasn't this happened earlier....like in the 80s or 90s when I was younger. But The SUPREME BEING knows best, and perhaps this is indeed the best time for me that this jumps off whether I realize it right now or not. You talk about 45, but perhaps he was the catalyst for this! Perhaps if it wasn't for him and his inflammatory rhetoric, people of color wouldn't be as angry and charged as they are today to get out in the streets. 　 Chev I am so proud of those young people!!! My Gosh!!! What spirit!!! Colin Kapaenick's organization has started a fund for those precious souls on THE FRONTLINES and are providing them attorneys to help them know their rights to protest. My heart goes out to them! I'm VERY proud of our young men and women and even children for having the courage to get out in the streets and face tyranny. 　 Now, too, there is a pic of a line of white women lined up in front of the Black protesters. I am so grateful for this too. But in the past, all that happened was, they do persecute that kind of bravery but they only abuse the Black victims even more! I hope they don't arrest those women. God! Man! Perhaps they are using their priviledge to protect the Black protesters. Or....... Lol, perhaps they are actually protecting the police!

Well Chev, you tell ME what works........ At first, even with a video out CLEARLY showing that poor brother laying on the ground literally getting the life crushed out of him with a knee on his neck....no arrests or charges filed against the officers! -Local and even federal officials were tossing up their hands claiming there was nothing they could do because they didn't have enough "evidence". -AfroAmerican men were coming on television having melt downs crying like babies and rambling on and on as if the Caucasians interviewing them REALLY gave a damn. -Caucasian reporters were on television making sad and ugly faces, hugging Black co-anchors,and shedding FAKE tears while at the same time winking at eachother as the officers who killed that man were at home chilling and enjoying bar-b-que leftovers from Memorial Day. Oooooooohhh but after Black folks (and others) got out in the street and kicked up dust, acted up, burned down half the damn city, and even torched a police station........ALL OF A SUDDEN you get an arrest and charges (albeit "manslaughter" and "third degree murder") strangely materializing out of nowhere! Infact, the Hennepin County Prosecutor said it was the fastest indictment of a police officer in Hennepin county history! Maurice close your eyes or click out of the thread because YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED to read this next line: Well, well, well.... Isn't it amazing how quickly "niggaz acting a fool" can change up the game and get shit done.......lol.

Chev It is NOT George Floyd's fault for staying down there on the ground where he was knocked down!!! I'm not saying it was George's fault for what happened to him. My quote by Al Sharpton wasn't meant to indict George but to illustrate a point that it's OUR responsibility as AfroAmericans to protect ourselves and help ourselves.....not simply point the finger at Caucasians for our problems AND expect these people to solve them too! Your blaming YOUTH. They need direction Well now I'm PROUD of the youth! I think many of the AfroAmerican youth of Minneapolis...and many other cities in America today...are headed in the right direction! 　 HE'S BEEN ARRESTED! FINALLY. Still, I don't understand why it took so long. Yes he's been arrested.... ONLY AFTER HALF THE CITY WAS BURNED DOWN TO FORCE THEM TO. Hell, they even burned down a police station! Which pretty much supports the same thing I said to Maurice in the other thread; historically AfroAmericans have had to take to the streets to get some sort of justice. But now that they finally arrest him, look what they charge him with- THIRD DEGREE MURDER/MANSLAUGHTER .....which is basically almost the same as killing someone by accident or negligence. This won't get him 10 years behind bars...if any time.....if convicted. 　 　 　 　 Troy Yes, indeed this is a conservative talking point. The difference, and this is a big one, is that the police are paid to serve and PROTECT us, not murder us. Just face it man you are, overall, a pretty conservative Brother. That does not make you bad. As I've gotten older I've been a bit more conservative as well. Yes it IS a Conservative talking point point but it is the truth AND it is common sense. Just because Conserivatives use this point, doesn't mean it BELONGS to them. Conservatives don't necessarily have a monopoly on certain points. But many of them are smart enough to TAKE certain points that ring true and everyone with good sense agrees with....and adopts them as their own. For example, many Conservatives will look at a transgendered man who puts on a dress and calls himself a "woman" and talk about how ridiculous it is.....which is true....while a so-called "Progressive" will say we should accept that man AS a woman. The fact that many AfroAmerican families are broken and dysfunctional is ALSO another point that Conservatives often use, but it is also THE TRUTH. Just because Conservatives believe it it doesn't mean we should reject it. This is why we as AfroAmericans need to start defining OUR OWN reality like Dr. Amos Wilson said; because too many of our people are being led around like a bull with a ring in it's nose. Letting Caucasians TELL THEM what they should believe, who is Conservative, who is Liberal, who is Baptist, and what is a Christian......instead of deciding the definitions for these terms OURSELVES. Do you understand what I'm saying? Common sense and intelligent observation like we should own businesses and build strong healthy families shouldn't be tied to or considered "Conserivative" values or talking points. Further........... Yes the police have a reponsibility to serve and protect you AND your fellow citizen also has a responsibility to respect you and not harm you! Everyone has some responsibility in this society, not JUST Caucasians or JUST our people. Problem is, currently MORE direct violence is being caused to our people by OTHER AfroAmericans and this has been happening for the past 50 decades or so. Again, this is just intelligent observation and common sense.....neither Conservatively nor Liberally owned.

This was one of the reasons many psychologists warned the public about watching the scenes from 9/11 and watching those towers falling over and over again and said that the media should stop showing them so much. They said each time you watch it the mind takes it as actually happening all over again instead of just merely watching a repeat video so you experience the same trauma of witnessing it on a subconscious level. So to the point of the thread..... Not only does repeatedly seeing Black men get their ass kicked and killed affect the mind; but it causes a sense of depression and hopelessness in many people. It make Black males look weak, helpless, and emasculated. It kills the spirit in many people and makes them feel like giving up and internalizing their frustration into sadness and despair. And this is what the racists in the media actually want! If you noticed Chev, the mainstream media was actually RELUCTANT to portray the violence and confrontation of the youth against the police in Minneapolis Tuesday and even early Wednesday! They had no problem showing Brother Floyd getting killed on the street.....but don't show the Black folks fighting back! They actually tried to cover it up and pretend it wasn't occuring while they focused on Covid-19 hoping it would go away or simmer down. It wasn't until a full blown riot broke out Wednesday night that they HAD to cover what was happening because the world was witnessing what was happening! They didn't mind showing a Black man laying on the ground getting the life crushed out of him, because that made Caucasian men look dominate and Black men look weak. But showing AfroAmerican youth fighting back and standing up to authorities.....they didn't want to show that until they absolutely HAD to.

Troy Gone today..... Any idea why?

Maurice I'm all for protesting,100% but I've never looted a shop nor set a building on fire. I understand FULLY that people are very angry. I'm sure it was never taught in the history and social studies lessons in Europe, because it wasn't even taught here in the United States; but the MAIN reason AfroAmericans got their Civil Rights (on paper atleast) 60s was BECAUSE of the riots and looting that happend in the 60s. Not mere protests and speech making by Martin Luther King. I know you've HEARD of the looting and riots of the 60s and you HEARD of the Civil Rights legislations....but like most people I'm sure you haven't made that correlation. AfroAmericans had been protesting and begging for change and inclusion since the 50s but it wasn't until young people started taking to the streets, damaging property, and costing the economy billions of dollars that those in power decided to have a change of heart.

Well they're saying this OPENLY. A lot of Republicans in Congress are trying to kill further stimulus bills and other forms of economic aid that struggling Americans of ALL races are getting just to keep Black and Brown citizens from getting them. They claim that giving people benefits and assistance during the pandemic encourages them NOT to work but to rather stay home. But we know in Europe the government is literally PAYING people outright to stay home and not work so as not to spread the virus and no one is arguing against this logical move. Just like they have free healthcare over in Europe and no one is arguing against it. The only reason these things are a "controversy" in America is because Black people benefit from them. Honestly........ It may seem outrageous, but I believe the ONLY reason most Republicans went along with and supported the bills to give Americans extra benefits and economic assistance to begin with was they didn't expect most of them would live long enough to receive them. In other words, a few months ago the predictions of the virus was so dire.....these Republicans figured MILLIONS of Americans would have died by now so they wouldn't have been able to collect anyway. But many are social distancing and wearing masks and the death toll isn't what they predicted so now they want to pull back the benefits.

....or lack of it. When you and others have questioned why I thought the schools closing down has probably been the best thing to happen for AfroAmerican children in decades and wondered why I am so critical of Western education -this is the reason. The current academic system in the West has a negative affect on the intellect of African children and it HELPS cause intellectual decline. When we had our own schools IN the West during segregation....we produced far more authors, doctors, lawyers, writers, and other professionals than are coming out of these universities today. AfroAmerican students of the past has PURPOSE and DIRECTION. Today, most just want to get a degree so they can get a job working for Caucasians and continue to be further humiliated. A good example is what happened to Omar Jiminez who was an AfroLatino CNN reporter who was arrested and hauled away on live television this morning when he was covering what happened in Minneapolis. His degree in journalism and professionalism didn't protect him from the racist mistreatement he received at the hands of Minneapolis officers. A great example of why we need OUR OWN media publications.

Troy Well, just for the record a person can be critical of someone AND supportive of them at the same time. Just because you may be critical of your children, doesn't mean you don't support them and will protect them. But no, I DON'T support the LGBTQIA? Agenda. Supporting their agenda goes BEYOND the definition of Liberalism. However I DO support individuals having the LIBERTY to express their sexuality as long as it's not being forced on anyone else. You still didn't answer my question about what the definition of a Liberal is to YOU. I suspect your definition may line up with what many Caucasians today call "progressive" (which isn't really progressive at all) because it's the definition being given major attention in the media today.