Pioneer1

i always did think I was an alien. Well, she's not alone in that belief...lol. Glad to see she's alive and hopefully doing well.

Lol....ASK and ye shall receive. Can a brutha get a drum-roll for his long awaited "official" statement on the Kareem situation? Look, whether or not Kareem is/was indeed a troll is not for me to say because I'm in no position to know for sure, however I WILL say this... Talking about being heavily armed and going out in blazes of glory not ony makes you a potential target but draws attention to whatever platform (organization, family, website, religion, ect.....) you express yourself in. And to a lesser degree even promoting certain conspiracies (whether they're true or false) will also draw attention to you AND the site you're on and that attention may not necessarily be from the people you want it from! Also, if you want to post something reckless you must understand that even after you've gone on, the problems your carelessness has caused remains for others to deal with. As I've gotten older I've learned that even if YOU don't give a damn about the consequences, it's always wise to be considerate of those around you and what THEY may have to endure after you're long gone. Also, we have to be careful about the term "troll" because it means too many things for too many people. For some, a "troll" is just someone who gets a kick out of annoying other people and will purposely say inflammatory things to get a reaction. For others, a "troll" is an agent sent into a community to purposely spread misinformation or post illegal information for the purposes of getting a site flagged and possibly in trouble. But in my opinion these type of individuals aren't "trolls" but AGENTS and should be refered to or atleast seen as such. Again, not pinning EITHER definition on Kareem because as far as I'm concerned he's a brother with strong opinion as far as I KNOW.....but since the subject came up I'm speaking on the issue in general.

Troy and Chevdove after Kareem storms out................. Lol.

Chev In the words of the other post THESE ARE THE LAST DAYS!!! That would be part of my explanation. But I like to say that 'THESE ARE THE LAST DAYS -- OF THE LAST DAYS'; meaning imo the last days started about 2500 years ago; at the beginning of the apocalypse Oh yes, I definately believe these are the last days. But again, the last days of THIS WORLD. This world and it's institutions are being dismantled to make way for a NEW WORLD. 　 　 However, from what I understand the real 'last days' phenomenon has to do with a great tsunami, mention in prophecy and other things. Also, if you've been paying attention there's been a number of MAJOR EARTHQUAKES in different parts of the United States lately! There's clearly a re-alighnment taking place. 　 But well, this is crazy, I mean schools are closed for the year! I guess that worked out just fine then because when they closed down the schools the parents were wondering where they were going to send their children while they were at work. Now that the parents got laid off from their jobs THEY BOTH can stay home together. But when you want to build a new house you must first tear down and remove the old one, and in most cases this includes the very FOUNDATION of the old one! The educational and religious systems are the foundations of this world and they must also be dismantled for an effective removal. 　 Well, It's good to know that not all of us quit altogether. I mean, I do absolutely understand why some people may feel it is good to leave and save peace, but I hope that @Kareem will come back. He hasn't even been here that long. , But yes, all things will either come to an end or change. That's part of life. As you say, @Pioneer1 'It is what it is. This subject of this strange happening is bound to have some people with no good intentions coming into forums, and so that would cause Well..... I too hope Kareem comes back, just like I hope Mel, Sarah, and even Cynique ((but only for occasion....lol....can barely stand that girl's mouth)) comes back. I just dropped a lot of knowledge to Kareem on another thread about the origin of Caucasians, then the nigga turns around and storms out the door before responding to it! Shit.....LOL. @Troy to have to deal with some of these kinds of pranks, but did Troy mean intent against Kareem? I think not. I have not read the link that kareem posted yet, but, from what I gather, it was the link that Troy referred to, and I don't feel that Kareem should take it personally. But Hey, I understand that he did not like it that Troy spoke about the link, however, I hope that Kareem will COOL OFF and come back. They disagreed on a few things in the posts, but you never know what was said or what type of exchanges were made in the Private Messages. Both of them (like you ) are highly intelligent and educated but their perspectives on society and human nature are widely different. Similar to me, Kareem is far less trusting of the system than Troy and based on the LIMITED information I've observed by reading their exchanges (again I don't know the full story) he was very frustrated that Troy didn't share his skepticism and distrust (or atleast as much). And if my perceptiveness serves me correctly, he probably was a little frustrated with my reluctance to engage much in or take sides in those disagreements. I'm assuming he's not banned and he can speak for himself, but perhaps Kareem felt as if he was "alone" on this site as most of his positions and figured there was no need to stick around. As far as I'm concerned his perspectives were greatly appreciated and I actually looked forward to many of his opinions but..... Hey baby girl, it is what it is. I just recognize this is the internet and try not to get TOO emotionally attached to anyone on here. Troy I can't any more than I can explain to you how the warpage of space/time causes the Earth to revolve around the Sun. You see the entire planet reacting to Covid19 in ways they do not act in reaction to the flu. You are so distrusting of all the planets doctors and scientists that you would ignore all of these signals indicating how highly cntagious and potentially deadly this virus is and dismiss them as a conspiracy or stupidity. I'm sure there is NOTHING I can say that will help you understand. It's not the fact that the virus exists and that is' making people sick and killing them that I'm disputing or distrusting. It's the ORIGIN of the virus as well as the OVER-REACTION to it that I'm taking issue with. If I'm a detective and I find a dead woman with a gunshot wound to the head, my job isn't to determine what killed her.....it's obvious that bullets kill and she died from one. The question is WHO killed her and WHY! And it's the same with this...... WHERE did this virus really come from? And WHY now? Again, do YOU....with what you know of world history.....really believe the offical story that a bunch of people in some remote part of China eating bat-soup are responsible for a GLOBAL crisis and what some are calling the modern plague? Really....do ya?

Lol, this will probably be a Buzz Kill but........ That second vido of the "Black Santa" ((shakes head)) There's a number of destructive and dangerous stereotypes in it that I THOUGHT were behind us but it seems that the young brother who is staring in it and helped to produce it is trying to bring back and promote. Let's unpack this, shall we......... First of all, faaaar more Caucasian men (Santas and priests included) drink liquor than Black men. Infact, they INVENTED it so why did that scene have to involve the Black Santa drinking liquor out of a flask? Is the producer of this video trying to incinuate that drinking liquor is a "Black" thing? Secondly, just like liquor there are more Caucasian men with guns too. Infact, in America there is a " gun culture". So why they got the Black Santa packing heat playing off the stereotype of Black males being gun toting thugs. Third, why are they playing off and joking on the stereotype of Black males being thieves and burgulars? Now, some of you say, "Oh lighten up Pioneer it's just joking and having fun....they aren't serious. Even the Black man in the video is cool with it! You're seeing more into it than there really is!". Well, if they aren't serious and just having fun playing off of stereotypes then.... -Why didn't they show "Black Santa" with a bunch of naked women sitting on his lap promoting the stereotype that Black men are sexually promiscuous and have a bunch of "hoes"? That IS a stereotype of Black men, wonder why THAT isn't being promoted much? -Why didn't they show a Black Santa clause with a massive buldge in pants promoting the myth that Black men have large penises? That TOO is a stereotype of Black men, but they don't want to promote THAT stereotype. They want to hide and bury THAT steretype....lol. Or what about showing the "Black Santa" shooting hoops on the basketball court? Black men being athletic and good at basketball is a stereotype too! If you pay attention to the television and music industry and what's been promoted for the past 40 years or so...you'll notice the type of stereotypes of Black males that are promoted are carefully chosen. It reminds me of the Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live skits where he uses his funny as hell talent to further re-enforce negative stereotypes of Black men but not the positive ones.

Many of them shouldn't have been locked up in the first place. Things like selling dope, prostitution, gambling, ect.......aren't things people should be locked up for. Infact, I don't even think they should be considered crimes as long as people aren't being forced into it. This is supposed to be a "free" society but there are probably more laws in the United States today than almost any other nation on the planet....including China. Many designed to get folks in trouble so that the lawyers, police, and prison staff are guaranteed jobs and an income. The REAL reason why they're considering releasing these prisoners have less to do with concern over their health and more to do with strategy and logistics. 1. They anticipate that as more prisoners get the virus that this will cause a panic and the more prisoners they have the harder it will be for them to keep them under control and busting out anyway! 2. Most corrections officers are going to be so concerned about THEIR OWN health and safety and the safety of their families many of them (like many police officers already) will be calling in sick and staying home. So they won't have the staff anyway. I just read a report that over 6,000 NYPD officers called off sick! 3. Plain and simple, because of such a stress this is putting on the economy they simply won't have enough money to feed and house 4 or 5 million adults so they have little choice BUT to let them go. What I believe MAY happen is they will keep the most violent and dangerous prisoners locked up and use the military to secure them; but those in prison for forging signatures, selling dope, and running scams and other minore shit....they're going to let them go. Like I said, most of them shouldn't have been locked up in the first place. It's a shame a nation needs a pandemic or other crisis to FORCE them to do right by people.

Chev 　 Your 'Atlantis' statement has documentation and it does not even support what you write. okay. I'll admit that I personally don't have any documentation for what I said however why do you say it doesn't support what I write? I never said Caucasians were made IN the Caucasus mountains. I've been maintaining through out this conversation that they were DRIVEN into the Caucasus mountains and confined there. But their being brought into existence or "bred" from the Dravidians took place in ANOTHER place. The Nation of Islam says this breeding process took place on an island in the Mediterranian. If you study the writings of anient Greece and Kemet the priests of Kemet tell the Greeks (Caucasians) of their origins on an island. And again, that is why the continent of Africa has been completely [ie except for Ethiopia and Sierra Leone] controlled by Europeans! LOL. You have to refer to script that can be confirmed. I agree we should document ESTABLISHED FACTS and not simply rely on word of mouth transmission of important matters; however I'm not sure if this is the only or even the major reasons for African colonization. Yes it does, to any of the civilizations that controls you. Chev, come on now. Whether or not something is documented DOES NOT eliminate or negate the fact that it didn't happen or doesn't exist...lol. It just means you'll have a harder time trying to PROVE it to many people. I used to live in Georgia. That is a FACT whether I have documentation to verify this fact or not. The fact that I don't have a driver's license or utility bill from my residence in Georgia to PROVE that I used to live there doesn't negate this fact. 　 Those photos are no different than what you see in America, ancient America today and with some of my husbands relatives. Some of his uncles have bone straight hair, and some have a little kink to they hair texture--- Yes, within the same family. And yes, on my side of the family too, some of my relative, such as my sister, shows those same dynamics of hair type!!! One of my sisters has very, very black hair and it does not kink at all!!! You said these photos are no different than what you see in America today, but I must take issue with this statement for several reasons: 1. TODAY there are a lot of immigrants from India so yes you're likely to see Dravidians with dark skin and straight hair walking down the street, but only after they MOVED here from Asia. 2. Many of the very dark skinned people you see in the United States with straight hair actually STRAIGHTENED their hair out with hot combs and relaxers. If they are of African descent, mostly likely it's not naturally that straight. 3. Many Africans both here AND abroad are not "pure Africans" but MIXED with Asian and European and they may be born with the dark African skin but depending on their genetics their hair may come out bone straight. Just like others may come out light skinned with kinky hair....it's a matter of the genetic lottery. You seem to be picking out a few EXCEPTIONS and pointing to them as example of how Africans also have keen features and straight hair when in fact that isn't the usual case. Those type of Africans are in the minority as compared to the vast majority of Africans who have dark skin, broader featurs, and kinky hair. 　 Photos mean nothing. Haven't you heard the old saying "a picture is worth a thousand words"...lol...? I just posted the photos as examples, but if you don't believe them you can go to India or any Indian neighborhood in the United States and SEE FOR YOURSELF the millions of dark skinned "Black" Asians with straight hair. Those photos are similar to people of Ethiopia too. But most Ethiopians aren't pure African; they are HEAVILY MIXED with Caucasian (Persians, Greeks, Arabs, Assyrians, ect....) from times past.

Chev I'm reading your post late. Give me a while to respond.

Sad to see my brothers part ways. ....but it is what it is. Troy Dude this virus, unlike the seasonal flu, is highly contagious. Have you not heard this before?! If no action was taken MANY more people would die. What don't you understand? Seriously? What I DON'T understand is how the hell some people eating bats in a town in China ends up killing thousands of Americans and thousands more world wide. Do you really believe this explanation? And why is THIS virus (as opposed to the many others out there) so contagious? Now if YOU understand what's going on, try your best to explain it to me because the official explanations sure as hell aren't making a lot of sense. 　 I've changed my opinion on things based upon what I've read here Based on what you've read HERE? Hmmm... I'm curious as to EXACTLY what that means. I have a feeling that your reasons won't be too flattering, lol. 　 Chev I didn't realize there was this type of conflict! Come on now, you should know the ways of Black folks by now....lol. Neely Fuller said when Black people simply come into CONTACT with eachother there's a risk of conflict and fighting. You can be in a barbershop or beauty salon and everything is quiet and people are talking vibing with eachother and in a split second people are arguing and chair are being thrown at eachother. Hey, it is what it is.

Chev LOL. @Pioneer1 No. Now WAIT A MINUTE sis! What do you mean "no"? Don't just say "no" and then run down the hallway giggling, leaving me to wonder exactly what you're objecting to, lol. If they are not access, then it means nothing. If they cannot be cross referenced and apply to something concrete, then it means nothing. so, the documented records of ancient civilizations begin with Blacl 'African-type' people that we can access today. Well the truth is the truth and always means "something" and is of some value (especially to those seeking it) even if it can't be documented or cross referenced. If you're in severe pain and a lady comes along and give you a simple cure that works, will you refuse to acknowledge it or recommend it to others UNTIL she writes it down? Our people come from a long and strong ORAL TRADITION where much of the knowledge was passed down from mouth to ear to mouth and committed to memory. There are African griots who can tell you the history of their tribe going back thousands of years, so don't play undocumented history too cheap. Having said that, I can see how skeptical the average person would find it if asked to accept something as historically accurate if there is no physical evidence or documentation of it, so I do understand your point. However, as I said earlier the fact that it MAY not be documented (or it maybe they ARE documented but those documents are hidden!) doesn't negate the truth of it. Remember, there are plenty of "documented lies".....lol.

　 Kareem I admit I'm more of a recent history guy (1600-present) versus ancient like you two. I do consider myself a Biblical scholar, but as Pioneer alluded to, its not 100% factual. But from what I'm reading, the both of you seem to agree in the existence of "Black Dravidian Asians." Is that fair to say? Yes sir. If so then I need to read up some on this subject matter before I can comment further. You can start with the history of the land now known as India and Pakistan. In India, they are found mostly in the Tamil Nadu or Bengal regions. Keep in mind that originally these Black Asians were found ALL OVER Asia...not just India. But many of them were either killed off by the Caucasian invaders (Aryans, Persians, Babylonians, ect...) or mixed and bred away and the rest driven to that region and certain other spots, much like what happened to the Native Americans. The words black and Asian combined is weird in and of itself. I assume these people had kinky/nappy hair? No sir, unlike the kinky haired Africans.....the Asian Black race for the most part had straight hair with thin noses and lips....similar to the features of most of the Caucasians you see today. Though one would be in error to say that their features are LIKE the Caucasian, lol. It's more accurate to say that the Caucasian has features LIKE THEM because they were first and the Caucasians actually came FROM them. Both the African and Dravidian are very dark (in come cases jet Black) but their features are still different and they are actually of different races. The second preliminary conclusion I'm getting, based on both of your comments, is that the Black Dravidians did in fact play a role in creating today's "Caucasians" aka white people? Yes sir, THEY were the racial group that the Caucasians were bred from. Not the African Black race. 　 They are not original, meaning they didn't come into existence naturally. Is that what you're saying? No sir. Albinism indeed is a result of nature, but Caucasians aren't albinos. Caucasians were brought into existence through ARTIFICIAL or MAN-MADE means through a process of selective breeding. Kind of like how one would breed a certain type of horse, or dog, or cat. I'm not saying Caucasians are animals like those describe....just giving an example of how you produce a certain species by limiting reproduction to those of only a certain phenotype until you produce the desired result. When you read in the bible "Let us MAKE man".....it's the Caucasian man (Adam) they were talking about making. This is/was my position from the beginning. I always felt white people (Europeans) usurped the term "Caucasian" from the people of Georgia, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, etc. But this whole discussion even calls that into question. I believe Pioneer's position is that Arabs and Europeans are Caucasian. Make sense. Just more to wrap our heads around. The region is CURRENTLY called the Caucasus, but was it ALWAYS called the Caucasus? According to NOI theology, the term "Caucasian" means weak boned and weak blooded. These people were named this even BEFORE they were driven into that area and confined there for causing trouble among the original people. Only AFTER the Caucasians arrive did it receive that name. Me and my sister have gone round after round over this....lol. I said it like this....... The original Greeks were Caucasian. But the original inhabitants of the LAND CALLED Greece were Black people! Now those two facts don't disagree with eachother and can EASILY be reconciled because all it simply means is that the Greeks were Caucasians long before they even brought their asses TO the land and NAMED it "Greece" after themselves! And it's the same with the Caucasus. It had a name BEFORE the Caucasians arrived and it became named AFTER them. Further........ Just to clarify my position, the ORIGINAL ARABS were Caucasian....but the majority of Arabs today are mixed and vary from being Caucasian to Black and anywhere in between. To be even clearer, similar to the Greek analogy.....the original people OF the LAND NOW CALLED ARABIA were Black , but the original ARABS who invaded the land were Caucasians from the mountains.

Kareem Thanks for the knowledge. Rabbit hole just gets deeper and deeper. You're more than welcomed my brother. They claim there are no cures for viruses but interferon and a host of other herbs and even drugs over the years have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to kill viruses and cure their ailments. Instead of harassing THOSE brothers for trying to protect themselves, the fuzz should have been keeping a look out for the white supremists and neo-nazis that they were TOLD were intentionally spreading the virus to Jews and law enforcement officials around the nation. We all know that Wal-mart is the "epicenter" for trailer trash, so he shouldn't have had any problems finding some. Troy Black people that I know have died of Covid-19 in NYC in the the past few weeks. I know many more directly and indirectly who have it. I have never known anyone in my, 5 decades+, of life who have died of the flu or complications from it. I don't know how long NYC will hold that title..... Now like Chevdove pointed out they're talking about Chicago, Detroit, and New Orleans -cities with large AfroAmerican populations by the way. Can you (or somebody) PLEASE tell me how in the hell a virus that started in some remote city way the hell over in China ends up killing people in New Orleans and Philly; and now even the rapper Scarface and the Black Chief of Detroit police are said to have had the virus! Something ain't right....... That's why when some of the people I knew were telling me that it was only affecting Whites and Asians a few weeks ago.....I observed it but held my peace so that I could sit back and peep game. I remember a brother in a bathroom telling me about how ONLY Asians were getting it and I just looked at him in the mirror but didn't agree or disagree...just kept on washing my hands thinking to myself, "No negroes getting sick? How long will THAT last?" Right now there are relatively few cases (that we're hearing about) in sub-saharan Africa, but how long will THAT last! How long will it be before these people "do something" about that good news? Sorry to hear about your associates my brother.

Chev We should try to figure this because of all the thousands of years of being attack on this issue of racism. Lol, well you don't have to try too hard because there are records of their origins available. They were "bred" into existence from Dravidian type Black people through a process of selective breeding on an island that some may call "Atlantis". 　 Okay, but where are the records then, of these Black people of whom you say lived and recorded millions of years ago? Many of them were stored in ancient libraries like the Library of Alexandria and Timbuktu and Babylon where they were either burned down or confiscated by Europeans invaders and hauled off to Rome where they sit in the Vatican under lock and key to this very day. But the vast majority of ancient records about the trillions of years of history of this planet is in a place you may know or have heard of as the "Akashic Records". Similar to how information is stored on the internet or the "cloud" but much more advanced. Most people need a shaman or spiritual man/woman to access them. The ancients knew that with this smart Caucasian running around trying to scan every square inch of the globe, putting precious information in material books wouldn't be the safest move to make...lol. Okay, oh well, You know there are other art history of Pale Faces all over the world, even in the ancient Americas? Ofcourse. Ancient people all over the planet KNEW that the Caucasians were coming and their presence was prophecied and documnented in heiroglyphs all over the planet from Africa to Europe to the Americas to Australia. Infact, according to NOI theology the coming of the Caucasian on the planet was predicted 9000 years BEFORE he even came ito existence.

Troy Still, I trust them on vaccines because we've seen polio, whooping cough and other diseases disapoear ... at least until recently. Many of these diseases disappeared not because of vaccines but because of better living conditions. People raising their meats and poultry better, washing their hands more, taking more baths, and better nutrition.....making them less susceptible to disease in the first place. Many of the diseases you mentioned were unheard of in Africa or the Americas BEFORE the coming of Caucasians because the people tended to live more in harmony with nature and their diets were superior to what so many of us eat today so they were much more healthy and balanced. Kareem I know I'll die later in a shootout, but I'd rather die with dignity like that versus trusting cops to act like humans. With THIS shit going around....... A person probably WOULD be better off taking their chances getting it over with from a gunshot to the head rather than laying up in some crowded hospital bed (or on the floor) slipping in and out for days before finally expiring. People are just scared to talk about anything contrary to what government feeds them. I'm not. I'm always the guy screaming alone versus the obedient crowd. The entire purpose of this is FEAR. The more you instill fear in the public the easier they are to manipulate. You wouldn't believe how many people I've met who are BEGGING for Marshal law today. They actually want the state and national goverment to "protect" them forcing EVERYBODY in their homes for a few weeks and putting the military on the streets to enforce this in hope that this thing will be over quickly. A week ago Trump was talking about shutting down America and made plans for it, but now they've done such a good job scaring the public that when he gets on television talking about loosening the restrictions and opening up America by Easter... the public is now saying "NO! NO!" They WANT him to shut everything down and keep everyone in their homes and even encouraging him to use marshall law! Reminds me of a Pimp and his ho..... At first the girl is scared and trying to get away but after dropping his psychology on her, in just a few months he can't RUN her away! He goes upside her head and drives her off and she's back within 24 hours. Not only does she stay with him but she actually starts recruiting OTHER girls for him and eventually starts telling him how soft he's getting and how much harder he should be on them....lol. Am I lying? Cuban doctors sent a drug called Interferon to China and it apparently works to cure coronavirus as China is getting back to normal I remember this drug because from the 90s when Dr. Alim Muhammad of the Nation of Islam was using it to treat (and cure) HIV patients! 　 Delano Trump wants to end the isolation. Don't believe this populist rhetoric. Trump and his administration along with other government officials are the ones who made this a big deal and said this was a "war" and the biggest threat since World War 2. Now he's sitting in a chair telling a reporter that the flu killed more people than this did but didn't warrant the nation being shut down....lol. Actually this is what the American people were saying weeks ago in response to HIS and the government's draconian measures. He's just trying to echo it so when the shut down comes he can look like the one who didn't want it.

Troy The hip-hop museum never really got off the ground. In the early days of Harlem's revitalization a lot of businesses got tax breaks and money. Much of it was sqandered... I dunno all the details (or really what happened), but the physical space is a Buffalo Wild Wings. I saw there is a hip-hop museum in the Bronx, arguably the best location for it. Maybe some of these old-heads and Hip Hop pioneers like KRS One, Rakim, Doug E. Fresh and Public Enemy should start an endowment and donate money to build, maintain, and expand this Hip Hop Museum like Caucasians do for their beloved alma maters while it still exists. Dude Arthea Franklin (in case you don't know who the queen of soul is) (Pioneer sits there with his head to the side staring at Troy) Man, just when I forgave you over the "anywhere but Detroit" remark....lol....now this. What's next Troy? Lol, are you going to ask me do I know who RUN DMC is, if their name comes up in the conversation? was born in Memphis. she lived diwn the street from the Stax Museum, home of the best funk studio band ever assembled. She may have been born in Memphis but she was raised in Motown. That's the city she claimed, lived the rest of her life in, and ultimately laid her burden down in. You know how it is, most of our people have southern roots....but they make their way North and try to forget about them. Only recently (past 20 years or so) do you find so many AfroAmericans running back down South to make it their home again.

As usual, most AfroAmericans are in a VULNERABLE position. We know we can't trust the people in authority with their history of lying and misdeeds, but most of our people don't have enough knowledge to know what's really going nor eough power to actually do something about it once they find out. So what do you do...... Trust the media and those in power to tell you the truth and open yourself up to be taken advantage of and harmed? Or do you ignore them and what they're saying only to face possible harm from a real threat?

Troy You never heard of Stax? The Staple Singers, Isaac Hayes, the Queen of Soul... Memphis woul be a great place The Staple Singers were out of Chicago. Isaac Hayes is from Tennessee but not Memphis. And....come on man....you KNOW where The Queen Of Soul is from, lol. Except for Stax, none of the above mentioned are actually FROM Memphis although they may have roots in Tennessee. There is no real reasons this museum should be there. Do Black people still live in Compton? Ladtbtime I was there it was mostly Mexicans I saw the same thing when I went through there over a decade ago. The same can be said of most of South Central Los Angeles today. For years it was the central Black community on the West Coast (with Oakland a close second) and today it's mostly Hispanic with only a scattered sprinkle of Black faces here and there. Interesting thing is when I lived in Arizona I ran into a lot of AfroAmericans who were FROM Los Angeles but felt they had to move away. Harlem had a hip-hop museum it lasted about 5 seconds. A couple few seconds less than the Black bookstore. Do you happen to know exactly why they closed down? Problem with it being in Detroit is ... well ... it is Detroit Come on bro, that's not nice.

Chev Moses was not dated to even be born no where near the 2000 B.C. time period. But, you know, I really don't have much to say about the 4000 BC mark on this subject because I don't actually agree with what has been presented by historians when it comes to any type of well defined civilization for even Black humans at this time period. Well if you don't trust (or agree with) the information you get from historians about the 4000 B.C. time period....why should 2000 B.C. be any different? So, not only would White people (Caucasians) be living in caves but so would Black people too, imo. In our cases things are a little different. There's a documented history of Caucasians living in caves and mountains for an extended period of time.....generations. There is no documented evidence of African people collectively making caves their homes. They may STORE things in caves, or RETREAT to caves for military or ritualistic purposes or even religious purposes...but no evidence of us as groups LIVING in caves and making them our abode. I think the first well marked record for a civilization would be around the 3500 BC time period. I can't argue with you there sis....lol. People can begin RECORDING civilization whenever they like. Earthquakes have been around...probably since the Earth itself..but I don't think Caucasians started RECORDING them until a couple hundred years ago. Likewise, the Black woman and man and our civilizations have been around millions of years. Now if Caucasians just got around to recording it for THEIR records around 3500 BC, then they're late as hell....lol. ALL COLLEGES across the world validate the Biblical records that regard many facts that match other civilizations stated to interact with AbraHam and his descendants. This is news to me! I didn't know most colleges (outside of Christian and Jewish private universities) even acknowledged that Abraham actually even existed, let alone had documented records of his interactions with others. It took a while to respond to you because it has been many years since I read about the DRAVIDIANS, so I had to check the internet before I could respond to you on this score. Therefore, what I see is that the origins of the Dravidians are linked with many terms that I am familiar with already and the time periods they are noted to first be known in ancient Indian civilizations and their Matriarchal worship and their idols and artwork, and etc. only makes me confirm that they are definitely linked to the 'ORIGINAL CAUCASIANS'!!! Now, I understand that you don't believe in that term though. Instead of doing all of that research you could have saved yourself some time and believed me when I told you that the Dravidians are the direct ancestors of the Caucasians....lol. It was the Dravians (Blacks of Asian) of whom the Caucasians were bred from. They cannot just appear to be 'WHITE' so therefore, this term 'CAUCASIAN' does stem from a darker source! The term 'Caucasian' does not originally define white people, however, we keep addressing this issue and I am hoping that I can provide more information on my research and want to do this through DIALOGUE. The TERM "Caucasian" didn't come from them, it came from us. The TERM "Caucasian" according to Nation of Islam theology means weak boned and weak blooded. And you're correct to a certain extend that the term "Caucaian" doesn't originally define White people because "white" is more of a social status term than a term of accuracy. Very few people are actually "White". They are more pinkish or reddish and in many cases tannish. But the term "white" has been established more for social status....especially here in the West. "Caucasian" however is a racial term that covers the entire spectrum of that racial group we are refering too who's predominate origins are of the mountains of the Caucasus, despite their social status or nationality. Just like today, the actress KIM KARDASHIAN and her children may be defined as AFRICAN AMERICAN but I can see the children, but Kim Kardashian defined as an "African American"????? First time I'm hearing (seeing) this! Had it not been for the extensive history that comes from those two separate areas, I suppose it could be thought of as you say, but the history of these two areas becomes crazy intense and it became dominated by BLACK NEGROES, [Black and Brown African-type] people for hundreds of years. so I have to look at a map to be sure though, in what you say about 'one lying within the boundaries of the other'; I cant remember off hand. I just know that the conflict between the civilizations of the Caucasus mountain areas, at times, clashed violently with the 'Negroes' of the civilizations in Central Asia, and there were more than one. I don't think they considered them to all be Central Asia. I need to look at a map and references to see how the Altai Mountains are defined, Kwarazin is defined, Chorazin is defined, and etc. I can't remember. You're speaking of the Colchans and other Black peoples who either already lived or were stationed in Central Asia to guard the Caucasians and keep them in their designated area. Again, it's ALL Central Asia.....but different groups lived in different parts. The Caucasians were concentrated (originally but eventually spread out) in the Caucasus mountains region but they were surrounded by other groups of people of color both Black and Brown in other regions of Central Asia and Europe (to their West). The violent clashes often occured because many of the Black groups were military units sent to the region and assigned to keep the Caucasians inside those boundaries and from spilling out until their allotted time to leave.

I think the shit has been in America for atleast 4 or 5 months but it just wasn't publicized or folks didn't go to the hospital for it. Not only at my job but out in public in general I noticed a lot of people were getting headaches and congestion and calling in sick but were getting over it in a few days....like a wave. Maybe it was something else, but maybe this virus already made it's way THROUGH America and these tests are just confirming what has already happened. I find it interesting and odd that after such a big push to get more testing kits out, now all of a sudden now the government is trying to DE-EMPHASIZE the importance of testing and in some cases actually denying people testing!

Kareem Right now, I think we need to be careful in saying that this virus is "not affecting" Black people. Perhaps it's not affecting our people AS MUCH, but it's effects on African people not just in the United States but globally is real. I'm talking about not just the effects of the virus itself, but the reactions and OVER reactions to it from the excessive social restrictions to the collapsing economy is being felt. I'm going to wait a few months (provided I'm still living and healthy) and see how this thing plays out. But you speak of Asians and racism...... From what I've personally observed these past few weeks, the racism that East Asians are NOW facing in this society is not only real but more open and vicious than what I saw with Middle Easterners during 9/11. From Trump unapologetically calling it the "Chinese virus". To people in the grocery stores staring at Asians and refusing to walk down the aisles they see Asians standing in. I've even seen a couple of them being verbally attacked on the street and told not to bring your "oriental ass" near. I started to tell them, "welcome to the family".....lol....but I decide not to. Like Tariq Nasheed said, it's time for them to hold their own nuts. I also noticed that a few more were trying to initiate conversations with me now more so than in the past, as if they instinctively were trying to secure some "connections" as things continue to go left for them. Troy I doubt anyone could today could even breed with erectus Really? I would think it was the very opposite..... Most men would find it rather difficult to breed WITHOUT getting an "erectus"....lol. It is really interesting that you've grouped Asians in as "honory white people" to make your argument. Kareem didn't do it, the Cauasians THEMSELVES did. And most East Asians(so far...we'll see if current events change anything) have been relishing in their upgrade from "model minority" status to full blown "honorary white" like a dog finally allowed to sleep the same bed as it's master. because there is indeed a disconnect between what we are being told and the government's reaction. Oh???? Do I detect just a "hint" of mistrust on your part of the official story the public is being told? Am I picking up on a.....conspiratorial......type of vibe in that statement of yours? I've been to Hong Kong (not really China) and Japan several times. I did not experience a stitch of racism and I traveled off the beaten path in both places by myself. Did you try hitting on or sleeping with the women there? That's often times where you'll see the racism in some people come out and the smiles start turning into grimaces. I've been to Hong Kong (not really China) and Japan several times. I did not experience a stitch of racism and I traveled off the beaten path in both places by myself. I have however experienced blatant racism from Chinese people in NYC. My theory behind this is that the BEHAVIOR of many AfroAmericans in the United States produces the racism and negativity so many immigrant groups seem to harbor AFTER being here a while. Most of the AfroAmericans who make it to Japan or China tend to be well educated and have a little money in their pocket. These AfroAmericans are of a different breed than the "DeMarios" and "Pookies" who stand around outside Asian owned nail shops and liquor stores all day rolling blunts, begging for money, and acting the fool. These are the type of negroes who INVITE racism not just from Asians but from other groups including African immigrants. 　 　 Del Are you referring to Naadi leaves? Yes, however the leaves are only one aspect of this ancient science. Did you have your leaf read? Not by myself, yet.

Why have I just noticed this thread? Personally, I think it should be in Detroit....given the legacy of Motown Records. Nashville is the spot for Country music, but not for the historic R&B, Gospel, Hip Hop, and other forms of AfroAmerican music. Infact, instead of the generic title of "African American Music" they should divide the locations up by genre and maybe have a Gangsta Rap Museum in Compton, Hip Hop Museum in The Bronx or Harlem, R&B in Detroit, Funk in some other city, ect...

Street smarts? Lol...... If they were THAT smart, why are they still on the streets?

Troy You're playing a game of 3 Card Molly with words...... I'm saying man has been on this planet millions of years and you're asking me for evidence of "modern man" being around for millions of years. By the very definition of "modern", almost anything beyond 200 years ago would probably be considered ancient and obsolete. Humans are humans. If humans by ANY definition were around millions of years ago then it doesn't matter whether you call them erectus, cro-magnon, neanderthal, ancient, "modern", ect......they were humans and not animals.

I've heard many different terms for it like "Darwinism at work" and "Social Darwinism" but they all have the same theme.....that "stupid" people shouldn't reproduce. It comes from the belief that intelligence is genetic. I've often thought about the concept of Social Darwinism and what would happen if every individual were forced to support themselves and their offspring without social help. Unlike much of nature where the weakest and less intelligent of a species often die at a young age (before reproductive age) from predatory or accidental means....in civilized human society we tend to take care of nearly everyone despite their abilities and levels of intelligence. So "stupid" people are protected and allowed to grow up and have children....usually with other people of the same level of intelligence.

Lol.... You never heard of the "scat" movement? It's a type of pornography where people "get off" from eating eachother's shit and drinking eachother's piss. //theporndude.com/top-scat-porn-tube-sites That was just one, but there's hundreds of sites out there promoting that madness, lol.