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Chev You're right, the mimicking goes both ways. I also like listening to Michael McDonald and the Doobie Brothers myself. However I do recognize that much of their fame comes from their ability to imitate "Black" music. On the other hand, if Black people that wear blonde hair want to do it to look good and see this as a positive aspect of many White people, then that shouldn't be looked at as if it is a bad thing, but when it is done due to Black-Self-Hatred, then that is the problem. And that IS the problem, it's done out of self-hatred. When Caucasians imitate Black people it's done for strategic purposes. To "steal" the culture and claim it as their own. They aren't trying to BE Black....just confiscate the ideas. But when most Black people try to imitate Caucasians it's in an effort to actually BECOME them. Blonde hair is genetically recessive. The only reason most AfroAmericans desire to have it is NOT because it's stronger or naturally looks better than black hair, but because it's a predominately Caucasian trait and they feel it makes them look more Caucasian.

Troy No. That is a far fetched notion borne out of a deep seated distrust of white people. As a Black man I get it, I just don't agree with it. You'll call it conditioning, I'll call it common sense. In other words........ You're saying that to trust the SAME group of people who were responsible for deliberately giving Native Americans blankets with the Small Pox virus to kill them off is common sense, and to NOT trust them is far fetched and irrational? And you're also saying that to trust the SAME group of people who were responsibly for deliberately giving AfroAmerican men syphilis (oh...I'm sorry....I guess the official story NOW is that they didn't actually GIVE them "wink wink" syphilis but just monitored those who already had it....I think that's the official story today) to spread to their women and children and the rest of the community is common sense and to NOT trust people who did that is far fetched and irrational? Ooookay, is THAT what you're trying desperately to get me to understand, Troy? Lol.... That I should put history to the side and trust those with a history of deceptively harming our people?

Chev Also, a Pastor years back came from Trinidad and Tobago, his wife was almost black skinned and she and one of her daughters had bone straight hair. This could be because there are a LOT of East Indians (Dravidians) in Trinidad, Tobago, and Guyana South America! The English brought them in to be slaves and work the land along with the Africans and a lot of people don't know this. Many of those dark skinned people in South America and places like Trinidad are actually not African descent but Indian descent. The British enslaved both Africans AND Indians. I the Pow wows I have been to, these natives are like--BLACK!!!-- this Virginian tribe, Man! I couldn't believe it! They were much darker than me and bone straight hair. There are 2 reasons for this: 1. Black people have been coming to the Americas for CENTURIES before Columbus and many Africans were already here mixing in with the Indians, so ofcourse you will see some people who are predominately Indian with African traits among them. This existed centuries before Columbus. But that doesn't mean that Native Americans are Black. It simply means they have trace amounts of Black (African) Ancestry from those Africans who had been coming over for centuries. 2. Most people aren't used to seeing REAL Native Americans. Most REAL Native Americans (meaning those not mixed with Caucasians) are DARK BROWN in color; not tan or yellow or pale or even light brown. They are DARK BROWN with bone straight hair and most are that way without a drop of African ancestry in them! The problem is people are so used to seeing THIS type of "Indian"....... most of whom have a ton of Caucasian ancestry in them and look nothing like the real ones. So when people finally see a REAL Indian they wanna call them Black. It's like looking at Michael Jackson and Prince and thinking THEY are what "Black people" look like just because they identify as Black. No sister, the REAL Native Americans are dark brown in color NATURALLY without having any African ancestry. Some do have African ancestry....but even those who don't are naturally dark brown with bone straight hair. 　 Ancient people of India, whether Dravidian or not, many of them were Black skinned or brown skinned and they had nappy hair or bone straight hair. Yes, their hair was MOSTLY straight but they did have SOME (a tiny minority) with kinky hair. Just like you have some Caucasians with kinky hair. Most of them have straight hair but some....even unmixed ones....have curly and even kinky hair. No group is 100% of anything. The Dravidians you speak of, are reported to worship a Mother Goddess and I think this is important in understanding their origins and who they intermixed with, especially regarding your statement about Caucasians. Are you talking about Kali? In the pre-vedic religion of ancien Indian they worshiped multiple gods and godesses. As far as who they are mixed with..... Most Dravidians today are mixed with the Caucasian Aryans who invaded that land thousands of years ago. Just like most so-called Black Americans are mixed with Caucasians. What other place? According to NOI theology, they were "made" on the island of Patmos or Pelan which sits in the Mediterranian sea. According to the Bible John of Revelations had his visions there on that island. The Dravidians are being correlated to ancient Iranians etc. True But I'd rather call them the "Elamites". The Elamites and Sumerians were Black and were in that land before the Iranians/Persians invaded from the north. Del 　 At the moment I am trying to teach myself Sanskrit and I have a feeling that there may be some connections to the Egyptians and the Indians. There are some connections. Sanskrit in it's written form has been heavily influenced by Arabic, but the original Sanskrit in it's oral form is a very precise language. It's the language of northern India and according to common history it was introduced to Indian by the Aryans (Caucasians) who invaded the land thousands of years ago. Although that may be a function of my friendship with two Hindu Astrologers. You should study SOUTH Indian (Dravidian based) Astrology because it's more accurate and much older.

Troy Lol, if you don't like the term "authentic Black man" how about ADOS? American Descendant Of Slavery Spike looks like the only ADOS on the set.

Troy & Delano I've learned that the key to stopping Black "brain drain" is to offer our people the PROPER incentive to continue to work for the community. But you have to be REAL with Black people. You can't offer them cliches and try to sell them abstract ideas like "honor" and or doing things simply for the greater good of the community and expect them to offer their services and talents. You have to promise them WEALTH and PROTECTION For example............ If you have several smart young men who would make great candidates for doctors, don't tell them to just stay in the ghetto and work under dangerous and stressful conditions for the "greater good" of helping their people. Provide them with nice well furnished apartments or houses! Provide them with attractive sex partners (multiple if they want) for comfort! Provide each of them with a nice car and their choice of foods. If they like to drink or smoke weed, as long as it doesn't interfere with their work provide them with that also! I'm not joking! If you want to keep AfroAmericans from running away from our community then give them what THEY WANT.....not what you THINK they should have or what Caucasians have trained you to believe they should want! Some people smirk or even frown at the idea of providing Black men who are servicing the community with the sexual partners they desire for their comfort and show of appreciation. Why? Because they have been trained by Caucasian men to THINK that this is wrong. Many of our people have been trained to believe that men shouldn't want sex and definately shouldn't be polygamous and this attitude not only created unnecessary guilt but it also forces many of our brothers to sneak around and lie about what they're doing. Many then leave the community so they can go somewhere and get the money and sex they really want without dealing with the judgemental attitude of so many of our people. It's simple. If you expect people to perform a great service for you compensate them properly and give them what they ask for and you won't have to worry about them leaving.

Troy You don't think Black people engage in the same type of behavior online? No. You can't just look at the behavior, but also the INTENT behind the behavior. Original peoples (Africans, Native Americans, Asians, ect...) have a strong sense of justice, so when they fight and argue with eachother it's because they feel slighted or mistreated. Oh, they may want to hurt others but it's because they felt THEY have been "hurt" or "wronged" in some way by them and wish to get even. But those racists who troll and lurk predominately Black sights don't feel slighted or victimized, they just love to stalk and inflict pain like predatory animals.

　 Troy OK. Why bother conjuring fictional stories that run counter to something that has alresdy been proven I didn't know the origin of Neanderthals was "proven" or even COULD be "proven" without a time machine. I thought according to Western science their origin was only THEORIZED based on the archeological evidence they found. You yourself admit you have no way of KNOWING that they even existed, and you're right. Neither you nor I KNOW for sure their existence or origin, so how can you suggest it has been proven? Dude there no basis in objective reality for a so called, "Eastern European branch of the Caucasian race." This is dervied fromracist junk science and is perhaps why you like using Puerto Rican to describe the way some looks. Yes, I'm familiar with the term slavic Damn that's a long ass "yes"....lol. Ok, since you are familiar with the term Slavic and the Slavs, those people are the ones that Western archeologists call "neanderthals" devolved from. 　 Chev Neanderthals cannot be extinct if scientist report that modern humans are still showing these traits through reproduction. And they're not! Just take a look at these people of Slavic origin and tell me what they look like to you. Also, you're correct that the English word "slave" is rooted in the European term "Slav" or "Slavic" but this is because the Slavic Caucasians were the original slaves. The Arabs would come up through Turkey and enslave them and bring them back to their various empires and that's where the term "slave" came from. Okay, this makes no sense, again, because the dates of Moses are completely wrong based on what you are saying Probably because those dates you're looking at is based on the "Mythological Moses" of the Bible and not the historical Musa (and his crew) who were sent up from Kemet to the savages and show them the light of civilization. Matter of fact...... Musa (Moses) had such a hard time trying to civilize those cave dwelling minions that sometimes he had to sleep in a ring of fire at night for protection to keep them off!

((Pioneer hears the discussion and pops in the room)) Ahhemm........Perhaps I can be of assistance and answer the question! Why do people invest so much time spreading hate? Neely Fuller Jr. said.... "If you do not understand racism/white supremacy....what it is and how it works...EVERYTHING else that you understand will only confuse you!" Troy if you know how white supermacists really thought then you'd know the answer to your question. They do it for the same reason a racist will join the military and go through weeks of basic training and torture just for an opportunity to kill people of color. They do it for the same reason a bunch of fat "good ole boys" with plenty of food and resources will get together and go hunting deer to kill and keep their heads as trophies. They do it because it's FUN to them! Causing pain (both physical and emotional) is FUN to them! The first step is to ACCEPT this fact! This is something many if not most people of color aren't quite ready to accept because as Troy pointed out....THEY don't have a desire to do it. But it is a fact none the less and it must be accepted before understanding the WHY this fact is.

Troy Ofcourse Puerto Rican is a nationality and not a race, if you remember I'm the one who usually educated OTHERS on this very matter....lol. But it's also an ETHNIC GROUP (within an ethnic group) in America now and although their phenotypes run the gamut...the vast majority of Puerto Ricans are mixed race and look like the mixed AfroAmericans of the United States. Italian is a nationality without a set "look" also, but if you went to Little Italy but come across a group of men all with yellow skin, bone-straight black hair, and slanted eyes and ask them are they Italian....they'll look at you like you're half crazy figuring you should know better. The fact is, certain "looks" are dominant among certain ethnic groups. So in THIS CONTEXT, it's safe to say that for this discussion there indeed is a "Puerto Rican look". have you visited PR and ventured beyond the hotel swimming pool? In terms of what you call racial diversity PR is pretty diverse. Perhaps, or..... IF YOU visited Puerto Rico, went beyond the tourist areas, and saw a racial diversity of people perhaps THEY TOO like you were from other parts of the world and weren't indeed Puerto Ricans either! If this were the case, then you may have been assuming Puerto Rico was more racially diverse than it actually was....lol. 　 　 Chev Caucasians have always had a "secret love affair" with Black people and our style of behavior, talk, and dress. They love the creativity of Black people (music, art, dance, dress, ect...) but don't like Black people....so they go out of their way to find Caucasians who can imitate our style the best. They know our styles are superior. This is where your Bee Gees, Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch, Michael McDonalds, and Eminems are so popular. Infact, the entire Pop music genre was built upon Caucasian musicians trying to mimic and style AfroAmerican music. Pop music is nothing but watered down R&B like "southern food" is watered down Soul Food, lol.

Troy do you know why there are so many racial classification as Neely Fuller asked? Yes, because the Caucasians who are in charge of the classification system MAKES THEM UP. They do this for the purposes of CONFUSION. They also come up with many sexual and gender classifications for the same purpose. Del Pioneer if there are more blacks than are needed their unemployment rate goes up. And if there are more Caucasians than are needed then the incidents of RACISM go up. Perhaps we should keep that in mind also, lol. 　 　 Chev Yes, it's about population control....not elimination, as Mr. Fuller says towards the end of the clip. The White Supremacists aren't trying to wipe out Black people for a number of reaons but foremost...they CAN'T do it. Some (like Hitler) have tried over the years and failed before getting past phase one. Meaning, he couldn't even get rid of the "impure whites" in Europe first before making his way over to Africans and Indians and others. And if they really tried, they almost instinctively know they will end up having to answer to THE ONE WHO created us in the first place! Speaking of "impure whites"....notice how the virus is ravaging Italy and Spain as compared to northern Europe.

Troy OK cool, but it is this, justifiable, distrust of the government that makes us so vulnerable to people out to hurt us. It is why 45 is in the white house (about to be elected to a 2nd term) and why people are anti vaccination (willing to bring back measles, whooping cough, polio, smallpox, etc). Have you considered the possiblity that the same group of people who offer you the VACCINES to measles, whooping cough, polio, ect...are the SAME group of people RESPONSIBLE for introducing these diseases in the first place? One snake-oil salesman poisons you, and his partner comes along and offers to sell you an antidote....but they're both working together.

Perhaps the aim isn't to "wipe out" the population but to cull it or reduce it for their purposes. It's what Neely Fuller Jr. calls "population tayloring".

Troy Did you just make this up? You know, this has no basis in reality right? Pretty much, as I've read no other material stating this in it's entirety. I reached that conclusion due to deductive reasoning based on multiple sources of information. Are you familiar with the term "Slavic" or the Slavic (Eastern European) branch of the Caucasian race? Chev And, BTW, the term 'EDEN' means 'EARTH'!!! Actually the English word "Eden" is a mistranslation of the Middle Eastern "Aden". Aden is a city and gulf on the southern tip of Yemen where it connects to Africa (Somalia to be exact). The GARDEN of Eden (Garden of Adan) was in Africa. Most likely when those two land masses were closer together and connected. 　 Yes, although I don't understand all of what you say here, I absolutely agree in that the incest did bring about the recessive 'archaic' DNA! And also, that kind of incest did lead to a lot of problems, still present today! Yes, many of the cases of deformities and mental retardation you see today come about as a result of incest because the genes are too close together. Fathers having sex with their own daughters and brothers with their own sisters. And not only do the women refuse to abort the fetuses but many of them refuse to even report their fathers or brothers to the authorities! That sickness is a remnant from the cave-man days of the Caucasus when it.....like bestiality (sex with animals)....was practiced heavily before Moses and his men went up to the mountains to stamp it out and civilize the savages.

Chev Did you know the original Amos and Andy weren't even AfroAmerican but actually Caucasian performers who learned to mimic the voices and behaviors of AfroAmericans at that time? Troy When I watch that video clip....... I can't help but to notice that although the show has a "Black vibe" to it, Spike Lee looks to be the ONLY authentic Black man on the set! Everyone else has that Puerto Rican/mixed look. Say what you will about the quality of them, but atleast back in the 70s when you had those stereotypical "What's Going Down" and "Jive Sucka" shows on television and radio that catered to the AfroAmerican audience.....the hosts were CLEARLY AfroAmerican. There was no head scratching and trying to guess their background.

Is. There. Racism. In. The. Coronavirus-. Testing. ? If Caucasians are the ones doing the testing, ofcourse. Hell..... There's gong to be racism in the skateboarding contest at the local park if Caucasians are the ones doing the judging and determines who wins. It's not the lack of testing that put Black folks behind, it's LOW INTELLIGENCE that has kept and STILL KEEPS so many of our people behind! People of just AVERAGE (don't have to be genius level) intelligence wouldn't continue to rely on their open enemy to provide healthcare for them decade after decade. They would know better.

Del Pioneer the solution is either the end of racism or Black people leave. The options you offer are as dismally limited as they are impractical, lol. Neither will happen anytime soon. How about AfroAmericans taking the chance on building our own healthcare infrastructure in this nation despite any racist opposition that may challenge it?

　 Troy but do you think the Brother was an "agent" or not? Honestly, I don't know. We know agents DO exist and they DO target Black websites because even the FBI warned about Russian agents infiltrating facebook and various sites in order to sow distrust and discord inside the American political system. but I can't be worried about those too stupid too tell the difference between one man's fleeting posts and the 22 year old site the posts appear. It's not so much about misunderstanding and confusing what one poster says with what you believe or what the site is about.....it's about people who purposely post inflammatory information on the site for the sole purposes of getting it flagged and labled a "hate" site so that there is justification for it to be taken down. Kind of like how a crooked cop will plant drugs on someone he wants to frame. Actually @Pioneer1 i though Kareem had turned you He didn't have to turn me......lol....I didn't have a lot of trust in the system to begin with. If all of the shit THIS system has done to our people isn't enough to make you distrust them and question everything they put out, certainly Kareem and a few of his posts won't do the job...lol.

Chev Now, I read this too, and this is alarming. I mean, there was a significant earthquake in, I think it was, Idaho!? There were major ones in both Idaho and Utah. Also, it's good that you recognize that the "Anti-Christ" character is not part of Biblical theology but was actually made up by the early church. Probably to counter the Islamic influence in the region. As for your discussion about neanderthals........ You should know that humans didn't come from neanderthals, but rather it was the other way around. Neanderthals were a result of Caucasians who degenerated into a more savage state after they were driven into the mountains. Eating the wrong foods and mating with close relatives like the Caucasians did for nearly 2000 years will eventually affect the DNA and genetics to the point that you'll produce entire families with deformed and malformed traits such as those found in the bones of neanderthals. If you doubt this, study the royalty of many European dynasties and how deformed and "weird" a lot of them were because of the custom of marrying and mating with close relatives in an effort to keep the wealth inside the family.

Troy Like you said, what is considered "feminine" is a white man's construct because we've always had different standards in our community about what makes a good/cool/real man. Do you remember back BEFORE the 80s when AfroAmerican men used to get their "nails done"? I do. I remember when Black men used to get their nails manicured and coated with clear nail polish up in the barbershops! I remember Black men have always been good cooks in the home even at a time where in larger American society cooking was considered a woman's responsibility. but that what Black men are here for Powerful! One of the most on-point things I've heard in a while because it "orientates" you to what your responsibility is. 　 　 Chev 　 Sometimes it's good to have this kind of checks and balances! Shhh.....don't say "check"! ....it'll just remind me of those stimulus checks I'm waiting on, lol. You KNOW the world is coming to an end when Republican conservatives start giving a way money, lol. Anyway..... I didn't know there was a rift between Tyler Perry and Spike Lee. I'm going to pretend like I can't google it and ask you WHAT HAPPENED?

All Vlad "the impaler" does is start friction between AfroAmericans. This Russian/Caucasian agent loves to take negroes and sit them down infront of his camera so they can sing like a canary. He knows that other celebrities will see the interview, get upset, and feel forced to respond and now you got beef and conflict going. Why so many AfroAmericans can't easily see this is beyond me. ....unless the low IQ stereotype is true.

This is one of the reasons I cautioned Kareem and those AfroAmericans I know in real life to be careful running around talking about who is getting what. Even if it STARTED OFF as an "Asian disease" or a "White man's disease"....Caucasians can take it and infect many AfroAmericans with it just out of spite! If you don't own any hospitals and very few medical institutions and are in a helpless and vulnerable position to where you must rely on your historical enemy to take care of you then almost ANYTHING can be weaponized against you. Regardless of how dire this sitution gets, as long as their are some AfroAmericans still around then I believe good can come from this. This should be a real wake-up call for AfroAmericans for us to get off our asses and get our shit together. Start building hospitals of OUR OWN like Garvey did with our own doctors and nurses.

　 Mel Well hello. Good to hear from you again! You speak of Black Supremacy being as hateful as White Supremacy. I'm going to have to be the judge of that one.....so SHOW ME somewhere where Black folks are in a position to be supremacist, lol. You don't have take me there, just tell me where it is! Or send me a map on how to get there and when I go and see this "Black Supremacy" in action (because living in Western society we KNOW what White supremacy looks like) for myself THEN I will be educated enough to make an intelligent decision as to whether or not it's as bad as what Caucasians have established. I'm all for considering alternative theories but if they are not meant to help us evolve then what? For example, if coronavirus is engineered/modified. - SO WHAT? Because if it is, then perhaps the guidelines that you're being told will keep you safe MAY infact be useless or even down right dangerous! ((make your own masks out of handkerchiefs and kleenex???)) Perhaps you WOULD have done C while you were running around doing B had you only known the truth. Troy Speaking of that, @Pioneer1 what do you think about my theory that Kareem was a troll. You know the kind you find on Facebook formorting controversy and descent. I mean think about it, if you listened to Kareem you would have nothing but hatred and contempt for the United States. Think about some of the things he wrote about stockpiling weapons and going out in a blaze of glory... Man! Your last line was interesting as hell because I just mentioned that very same thing in a response to you and Chev on another thread!!!! But I can't say whether or not the brother was a troll. I'm in no position to know him or his intentions outside of the limited information what he posted. But when people asked about the use of violence, it was said that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said it wasn't wise to SAY before one had the ability to DO. Look, you'd be a fool to completely trust our system, but Kareem had zero trust. If I take him at his word (i.e. not a troll) some of his beliefs were simply irrational. If you believe Black people are immune to the virus, you are irrational, because you'd have to deny the fact that Black people are dying everyday from the virus. Well, he said he was a Paralegal so apparently he had SOME trust of it because he worked with and within the very legal system.....lol. But I cautioned him and others in real life about saying "this" doesn't affect Black folks or "that" doesn't affect Black folks because for one thing it IS affecting Black folks in terms of health AND economics AND you never know what type of action you may be inviting. I remember back in the 80s and 90s a lot of Black men were bragging about how nice and big and round the Black woman's butt is and how flat the White woman's but was. Even singing about it and putting it in rap songs. White men didn't say shit, they just went up into the laboratory and worked on some chemicals and the next thing you know 20 years later every other White woman you see from 17 to 70 has a big fat shapely ass wagging behind her...lol. One of the Black man's greatest weaknesses is arrogance and the tendency to brag and this often invites unwanted consequences.

I don't think most people understand the original purpose of "jail" and the difference between it and the penitentary. Jail was originally designed to be a holding facility for those PRESUMED INNOCENT to be detained in for a short period of time until it was determined whether or not they were guilty and what their punishment (if any) would be. The penitentary was suppose to be the place of punishment, not jail. And I believe a person wasn't supposed to spend more than 2 weeks jail while awaiting their fate. This was that "speedy" trial promised in the constitution.

Troy Traits like intelligence, while inherited, has not been pinned down; there is no one gene for intelligence. I'm sure the environment's influence on gene expression relative to intelligence is not understood well either. I think intelligence...TRUE intelligence (one's ability to learn, understand, and retain) is a result of BOTH genetics and environment working together in harmony. Genetically speaking, I believe your brain STRUCTURE or what type of brain you inherited from your ancestors has an influence on your intelligence potential. But when you say environment's influence on one's intelligence is not well understood...I beg to differ. Those promoting liquor consumption, weed smoking, and purposely dumbing down the educational system know all too well the effects one's environment has on one's intelligence!

Troy It is why i don't find Madea film very funny. If you've seen on you've seen them all. But i get why owople find this stuff funny, so I dont try to kill anyone's "buzz." Not only don't I find the Madea character funny, I find it down right offensive. Just another attempt to "masculinize" the image of AfroAmerican women and make them look less lady-like. This masculinization of AfroAmerican women ain't new. I believe Sojourner Truth during a speech showed the audience her titties and said, "Ain't I a woman too?" in response to the way so many sisters were mistreated in those days. People wonder why a Caucasian police officer pulls over a Black woman and beats her or kills her but perhaps he had the character of a loud, angry, masculine brutish Black woman in his head from those Madea flicks and others like them. It used to be an insult among children to say "your mother wears combat boots" because of what it implied. When it became acceptable and even desirable for so many older Black women to be portrayed as "stong" and "mannish" I'm not sure. On a lighter note, I actually DO have a level of respect for our brother Tyler Perry for his business skills and charitable work. So I give credit to where credit is due. 　 Chev So therefore, I won't post anything like this anymore. Lol....... My comments weren't meant to be a reprimand, they were just my opinions. I'm actually GLAD you started this thread and posted those videos because it opened up a conversation about things I wanted to express! As far as Eddie Murphy and Martin....... It's one thing to put on a dress and act like a woman (FOR ACTING ONLY) once or twice in one's career, but it's an entirely different thing to make a CULTURE out of it like Tyler Perry did. When you know Hollywood has a history of attempting to demasculinize and even dehumanize you, how much money could they pay you to sell your soul like that? 　 Walkman Your dislike of Black buffoonery and coonery has less to do with age and more to do with common sense and a sense of self respect that a person SHOULD have at any age. I found shit like that offensive even in my 20s. I remember going into barbershops and laundry mats where Jenny Jones and Jerry Springer were on television and I'd request them to turn the channel to more respectable programming. Most people with basic common sense would find attempts to criminalize and dehumanize them offensive but then again, many of our people don't have a lot of sense so perhaps they don't know when they're being insulted.