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Chev This is your reference! The terms you use stems from a language NOT used in the translations of the KJV True. And do you see the words "Hebrew Standard Version" anywhere in there? That's what you accused me of. YES, you did say that LOT committed incest. He could NOT have! He was totally out of it! Let's get something straight: I didn't say he did it....I wasn't there.....the BIBLE said he did it. Not only does the Bible say he slept with them but he HAD CHILDREN (Moab and Ammi) by his daughters. I just referenced it! My official position is I don't know whether he did or not, or even EXISTED. But I referenced it IN THE BIBLE to illustrate that it's not the Kenaani or other Original peoples who are running around engaging in incest....according to the Bible it's the children of Adam. So if YOU know that he didn't do it, then you can roll with that. I don't know one way or the other, but I DO know what the Bible clearly says. Pioneer BAAL PRIEST is synonymous with HEADHUNTER! This is common knowledge in all script! Melchezadek was titled HIGH PRIEST OF THE LIVING GOD. ?????? I'm not sure where you're getting this information from. Where did you read or hear that the priests of Baal were "head hunters"? Melchezadek was titled HIGH PRIEST OF THE LIVING GOD. Again, sis..... This is why it's important for you to go straight to the HEBREW Bible and read the original and correct translation because these Caucasians will continue to mistranslate and re-arrange words to trick and confuse people. Melchizedek was both a KING and a PRIEST Melchizedek was a KING of the old city of Salem....a Kenaani (Canaanite) city built in honor of Salem (a Canaanite deity) You say he was priest of the Living God. According to the Bible in it's original HEBREW he was priest of El the Most High.

Chev When it comes to certain people like the celebrity Vanessa Williams, both of her parents are fair skinned but they are culturally African AMerican. However, she is fair to the point she could be considered PASSING. I understand that The Duchess Meghan Markle has a White father and technically, she is bi-racial, however, if a person has been reared culturally with the DOS parent, I think that would be very significant in their being defined as DOS, especially if they so choose. This is why I separate CULTURE from RACE. The people you mentioned above are NOT AFRICAN (Black) by race. They are BI-RACIAL by race ....but they ARE AFRO-AMERICAN by culture. So I will call them my brother or sister even though they are bi-racial. What a person goes through in life may make them closer to me or farther from me in what we can relate to and talk about....but it doesn't affect their genetics. If a person is MIXED they are MIXED....I don't care how much pain and racism they experienced, it doesn't make them any Blacker. That same MIXED person who is catching hell in America or England from the Caucasians here, will go to Nigeria or the Congo and look down upon and oppress the jet Black African whom he thinks he looks better and is smarter than because of his Caucasian ancestry. BTW..... The Negus who are considered kings in Ethiopia were the called serpents by the Jews who wrote the Bible!

Chev But the Original Jews did NOT challenge Jesus, it was Jews such as the National group that stemmed from a movement prior to the time of Jesus. The Hellene Movement. So, Jesus was challenged by mixed-bred movement of people that were elevated above the Original Jews!!! Therefore, they were probably telling the truth in that they had never been oppressed in Egypt. YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS DURING THAT TIME! Geez! You shouldn't be so quick to assume what I do and do not understand....lol. I know there was a struggle between the Sadducees and Pharisees during the time of Jesus. What you're calling the Hellene Movement for the Jews to become more like the Greeks was led by the Pharisees -who were Persian overseers sent to Jersusalem to monitor the Jews when they returned from exile. The Sadducees (sons of Zadok) wanted to maintain the religion the Moses gave them when he civilized them but the Pharisees wanted to move them more in line with the rest of the Caucasians called Gentiles or Greeks. Get outta here! That was the book you used as a reference Go back and look at my quotes. You will find NO QUOTE of me referencing a "Hebrew Standard Version". I say there is the Hebrew Bible, and the various English translations like King James, American Revised, ect..... The date of that translation was hundreds of years prior to the scriptures translated just before the time of the CRUSADES, of which became the basis for the KJV which was translated by Hebrew Israelites. YOur version is NOT received by Christians today for specific reasons. But, I will add that I do know some of the terms you referenced is in an Ethiopian version [GEEZ]. But however, scholars today do NOT agree with those terms for major reasons. and today, the people speak Amharic. I'm not sure what you mean by "my" version. I don't have too much faith in ANY of them.....lol. But when discussing (or in this case arguing...lol) the Bible I like to get the PURIST source possible to find out exactly what the authors meant, so I usually used the HEBREW Bible. I haven't quoted from the Hebrew Bible on this site because I have to post the text of it along with the translation and I'm not sure how to do that here. The texts is in both Hebrew and English letters. But that's the one I read from and use the most. No. The very reference you quoted states that LOT was deceived; he had no idea. OK? Whether he KNEW it or not, INCEST was still performed! I said according to the Bible INCEST was commited, I didn't say Lot was willing to do it or started it or loved it or enjoyed it or was tricked into it....I said according to the Bible he DID it. And again, you can't find ANY scriptures where the Kenaani, Kemeti, Sumarian, or other Original peoples committed incest......drunk or sober. Today, there are numerous findings that attest to the violence in that land byway of the Canaanites. They were BAAL PRIEST, that means HEADHUNTERS Baal was a Kenaani deity Zedek was another Salem (of which Jersusalem was named after) was another. Most of these deities had "priests" or "Kohens" who served them in their dedicated temples. That doesn't mean they were killing people or cutting off heads for them. Melchizedek of the Bible was a Canaanite priest who came out to meet Abraham, was HE a head hunter? As I told you before, the Kenaani were a very sexual people and this usually means violence was kept to a minimum. What credible source can you reference to say that the priests of Baal were headhunters? The only record we have of people KILLING others and even chopping off heads (in the case of David) for their "god" are the Israelites who went around slaughtering the Original peoples of the land in the name of Yahweh....according to the Bible.

Chev So are you saying that we, DOS are NOT AFrican AMerican, but we should check BI-RACIAL on applications!? I'm saying, Yes AND No. SOME of us are African and SOME of us are Bi-racial (mixed/mulatto) Having SOME Caucasian ancestry isn't enough to make you bi-racial in my opinion because almost all of us have SOME Caucasian and Native American ancestry; but if you're HALF white....then you shouldn't be considered Black/African. ARe you saying that light skinned AFrican AMericans are NOT so but they are all MIXED-BRED and should check that on applications!? It's hard to say. There are some AfroAmericans who are light skinned because one of their parents are Caucasian. There are other AfroAmericans who are light skinned because although BOTH of their parents are AfroAmerican they may have had a great grand parent who was Caucasian and they happened to get the GENE for having light skin while the rest of their features (hair, nose, lips, penis size, ect....) are typical West African. In my opinon they should be considered African because although their skin is light from their long ago Caucasian ancestor's gene, their PREDOMINATE features are African. But that's just my opinion, I'm not a geneticis. Are you saying that Nipsey Hussle and Haile Selassie should NOT say that they are African because of the darker skinned Bantu and Beja people? Again, it's hard to say. They clearly have Caucasian ancestry but how much I can't tell. ARe you saying that they are CAUCASIAN? No Also, keep in mind during this discussing that there is a DIFFERENCE between AFRICANS and AFRO-AMERICANS.

Much respect to Officer Krystal Smith! This is what I was waiting on! AfroAmerican officers having the courage to step up and CHECK the hell out of these race-soldiers when they attempt to mistreat our people! It's not talked about much -because as I've said the Caucasian media LOVES to talk about some AfroAmericans getting choked, stomped, and their ass kicked by Caucasians but NOT fighting back because it makes some of our people look like dumb rabbits or deer hunted down for sport- but there was an incident in Detroit right after the 1967 riots where some Black police officers newly hired to the force were being taughted and harassed by Caucasian officers in one of the precincts. The Black officers got together and confronted them in the parking lot and a fight ensued and then a SHOOT OUT took place! I'm not sure what the outcome was after that but from what I was told by some of the old-heads, Black officers stopped being harassed and got welcomed to the force as equals after that incident.

Chev So, I take it that you are saying that they are Caucasian? No, they are typical mixed people. Being BOTH African and Caucasian. Some are more African than others. But if you study the history of the lighter skinned more wavy haired Ethiopians, Eritreans, and Somalis, you'll discover that they ENSLAVED a lot of the darker skinned Africans called "Bantus" who didn't believe in Islam or Christianity and followed a more traditional way of life. There is friction among them to this very day! Many of these people again are the offspring of the Caucasians (Persians, Syrians, Israelites) people who entered into East Africa thousands of years ago and began enslaving and exploiting the people. Just like here in America the Caucasian men raped African women and started a Mixed class who thought they were better than the darker Africans.... In East Africa many of the Caucasian men who went down into Ethiopia and Somalia raped the African women down there thousands of years ago started a Mixed class of Ethiopians and Somalis who think they're better than the darker ones. Most of the ones who migrate to the United States are the lighter skinned ones; but you should study the history of Somalia, Eritrea, and Ethiopia and how the darker more "African" featured people of those lands are treated. It's very similar to the light-skinned dark-skinned friction that went on in America for hundreds of years. Ethiopians of the Amhara tribe ETHIOPIANS OF THE SURMA TRIBE (who were in the land before the Amhara)

Chev The New REvised Standard Version is NOT a direct translation from the Original Hebrew at all. Whether it is nor not, the Hebrew version DOES use the word "Nephilim". So the word "nephilim" is indeed in the REAL Bible. You give White people too much credit in how they could possibly out power a bunch of tall, Black skinned African giants!!! Trust me, if Derek Chauvin did not have a gun, he could NOT outpower George Floyd!!!--ANd George FLoyd is not even a giant! LOL. You belief about White people over powering giants is absolutely ridiculous! I'm not sure, but according to the Bible itself (which is one of the few sources available currently) they had Divine help from Yahweh who was One of the Elohim. Lot was never accused of sleeping with his daughters!!! The scriptures say, his daughter tricked him! WOW! LOL. Stop! Regardless of who's at fault, the Bible said he did it. According to the Bible in Genesis 19:31-36..... 31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: 32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. 33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. 34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. 35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. 36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. 　 Whether it was intentional or not, according to this INCEST was practiced by Lot and his daughters. Again, no evidence of the Kenaani (Canaanite people) practicing incest, not even in the Bible....but evidence of the Caucasians doing it! You know that you are taking that scripture out of context. Lol...well what did they mean when they said that Abraham's seed was NEVER in bondage to any man? Then stop using MOSES as your reference, if you believe that the pyramids were built by someone else and etc I never said Moses built the pyramids. I don't know exactly who built them, but I know who DIDN'T build them.....the Israelites. The pyramids are over 10,000 years old and Caucasians don't go back past 7,000 years. Even if you don't want to believe that the Israelites are Caucasians, whatever their race was....they aren't 10,000 years old. And the pyramids are OVER 10,000 years old so other peoples had to have built them. But back to your Hebrew Standard Version, I have contrast and compared other translations, so I cannot remember all without looking at reference, but I believe this translation was not considered by the Hebrews that translated the KJV because of major points. I know nothing of and never said anything about a "Hebrew Standard Version". There is the REAL Bible which is written in Hebrew, and there are various English translated versions of it. Some are more accurate than others. In the Hebrew bible HEBREW WORDS (Yahweh, Nephilim, Elohim, Adawm, Melek, ect....) are used. In the various English translations ENGLISH WORDS (God, Lord, Angel, Adam, gods, giants, ect....) are usually used instead. Sometimes they may use a Hebrew words here or there, but usually not. That's why I like reading the Hebrew Bible itself because I get more of an accurate meaning.

Chev Yes, absolutely. Hebrew Israelites do have a certain look to them! Their look is based on their maternal origins--AFRICAN; that would be the Original Hebrew Israelites. As far as posting pics, hopefully, I will later, within context. But to start with, I would definitely refer you to the pics available online of NIPSEY HUSSLE [Ermias Joseph Ashkedon(sp?)] and his brother BLACK SAM, and their father. Also of the late ruler HAILE SELASSIE of Ethiopia. Also of the leader of Eritrea Isaias Afwerki. Nipsey Hussle Black Sam Isaias Afwerki These people look mixed (part African and part Caucasian). I don't see any special "look" about them that is any different than any other mixed/mulatto peoples. They look like the typical East African (Ethiopian and Somali) peoples who are descendants of the Original people of that region who were mixed with the Caucasian Persians, Syrians, and Arabs who came down into that land and mixed with them thousands of years ago. You can go to the island of Puerto Rico or Cuba or down in Louisiana and find light skinned and mixed looking AfroAmericans with a lot of Caucasian ancestry who look just like them called Cajuns and Creoles. Just like the Caucasians invaded East Africa and produced a group of mixed people.....they invaded West Africa and produced a group of mixed people. The only differences is while these mixed peoples REMAINED in East Africa.....the mixed people of West Africa were TAKEN from there and brought to America to be slaves.

Chev You need to provide the reference!!! @Pioneer1 I know you cannot though, but if I am wrong, then prove me wrong. The word 'Nephilim' is NOT in the Bible. So please put the source of that word, 'Nephilim'. Also, put the reference source that says none have to do with incest. 　 　 The original Hebrew bible uses the word Nephilim as shown above, however the King James version translated it into "giants". The New Revised Standard keeps the original Hebrew word. So the Israelites went into the land as spies to case out the joint! They sent spies in to check out the land of Kenaan to see what they wanted to take and pillage and plunder and when the spies went down there they saw huge gigantic people so big it made them look like grasshoppers. The Nephilim and the Anakim (Anakites). These are the Original people of the land who were living in a more advanced, peaceful, and healthier state so they were bigger, taller, stronger, ect... They were the ones who originally built and laid the foundations for Jerusalem and other cities before the Caucasians invaded and stole the land. Jerusalem was originally called "Salem". It doesn't mention anything about incest. Again, the only incest mentioned is Lot being accused of sleeping with his daughters while drunk. You provide the list from JUDAH and his son Caleb [?] and his wife Ephratah and their lineage and then I will try to see what you are doubting? I don't understand what you doubt. I think David's lineage stems from Caleb and Ephratah, but I'm not sure. He came from Jesse, before that, a bi-cultural man, and before that, Boaz [and Ruth]. So, from the time of Caleb to Boaz would mark from the time of the Exodus to David's grandfather Boaz. Like I said, I have mapped all of the timelines in detail, but I have not look at it recently. I provided the list of people offered in the book of Matthew that lists the people from Jacob (Israel) to King David. However, my original point is that the so-called slavery of the Children of Israel in Egypt never happened. This is why even according to the Bible the Jews told Jesus in John 8:33 They said they were NEVER in bondage or slavery to anyone! Even if we can't agree on the timeline, that was my original point and this verse supports that they were never in bondage in Egypt.

Chev NIPSEY HUSSLE/Ermias JOSEPH Askedon did not go around calling himself Hebrew Israelite. NOt all BEja Israelites say they are from the tribe of JOseph. The Kazakh Jews did not go around calling themselves Hebrew Israelites The Crimean Jews did not go around calling themselves Hebrew Israelites, etc. They stopped doing that because they were terrorized if they were identified as such. Nipsey's father came over here back in the 50s due to circumstances along these lines. My husband knows what people tell him about looking like Hebrew Israelites and he is of this generation, so he understands what his father and other older relatives don't care to delve into right now. I didn't know Hebrew Israelites had a certain "look" to them. Can you post pictures of what Hebrew Israelites look like that separates them from other people? 　 THE LOST TRIBES OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL... The "lost" tribes are the other tribes of Caucasians who scattered into different directions from the Caucasus mountains and invaded different lands and peoples as they scattered abroad after Moses went up and civilized them. 　 　 Your jokes about my husband not being Hebrew Israelite is very disrespectful. You are very insulting. The American Indians are an extremely oppressed people I already know Native Americans are oppressed, you should tell the OPPESSORS (the Caucasians who have and still are oppressing them) that, not me. I don't recall mentioning anything about your husband outside of saying that both you and him are calling these different types of people "Hebrews" and "Israelites" when they aren't calling themselves that. But if it sounded like I was insulting you or him, I apologize 　 Your Faith in the SUPREME BEING about him NOT being able to help his Black AFrican Creation return to their origins is proof of your faith, or lack there of. The SUPREME BEING is able to do anything and Help anyone. The question is, do most Africans WANT that Help. Do they want Help from The SUPREME BEING, or do they want help from the Caucasian.

Chev It starts with Joseph! Ok, it started with Joseph......... Now explain to me how we get ONLY 10 or 11 generations between a 500 + years timespan between Joseph and King David! I'm not the smartest man in the world, but PLEASE explain this to me. How do you stretch 10 generations into 500 years? Yes, it's incest. Giants are the manifestation of incest. Can you provide any scientific documentation that Giants come from incest? Can you provide Biblical quotes/scriptures that say Giants come from incest? No matter the terminology you use, whether Elohim, Nephilim, Zummim, Jebusites, Anakim, etc. it's all based on science and genetics as it relates to incest and sex selection. Today, this practice is rare, but still, in certain places in the east world you will see GIGANTISM and it's linked to incest. It matters because you're using differnt names for different classes of beings. Elohim (called God in the Bible) are the Children of El. The Nephilim (called giants in the Bible) are the Fallen Children of the Elohim who had sex with the Caucasian women when they were driven into the mountains. The Zummim, Jebusites, and Anakim are just some of the OTHER children of the Elohim who lived in the land, but there were many more in other parts of the Earth. All of them are powerful being and many of them are of large stature but none of this has to do with incest. But they are not all the same.

Chev No they are NOT all in debt to European economic systems or social customs. I didn't say they ALL were in debt, but the majority are. Please give me a list of African nations who are NOT in debt to the IMF and World Bank and other Caucasian insitutions. You have little faith in people of AFrican descent. Ofcourse not. My Faith is in The SUPREME BEING......not any human being African, Caucasian, nor anybody else. I never said that he was Israelite!!! I gave a testimony of what others have said!!! Like most Israelite people today, they do NOT say that, rather they say define themselves by other terminologies, and my father-in-law and his people define themselves by tribal names. Oh, so in other words YOU are calling them "Hebrew Israelites"....not THEM. They aren't calling THEMSELVES Hebrews or Israelites, YOU are. 　 SIOUX Like I said, THEY aren't calling themselves Hebrews or Israelite. Maybe they should "sioux" YOU for calling them something they aren't.....lol.

Chev But this is be design byway of the Anti-Christ I used to believe that the Anti-Christ was real, now I don't. The entire concept of an "Anti-Christ" was made up by the Catholic church. Infact, the term Anti-Christ was only mentioned ONCE in the Bible, but now you have volumes of books and dozens of movies centered around some ficticious character with dark eyes and a hood over his head planing to end the world. Well, if the Anti-Christ IS real (not Is-rael) and is destined to end the world, perhaps that's a good thing. If the Anti-Christ takes the Caucasians out of power and ends his world, I say LET HIM! What do I look like running out into the woods or hiding under rocks trying to avoid the anti-Christ when he's trying to fight against and end a world built on racism and lies? The 430 year count does NOT begin when Jacob-Israel migrated into Egypt, This is a deliberate misunderstanding that I've seen many times. This 430 count begins with JOSEPH!!!--which causes the scriptures to be complete regarding all of the 12 sons of Jacob! So, if you apply the scriptures about SOLOMON'S temple in the 4th year of his reign and the 430 captivity, it becomes AN EXACT DATE!!! According to Exodus 12: 40 the entire time of the children of Israel being in Egypt was 430 years! Did that start with Jacob or Joseph I don't know, but let's stick with the 430 years! 　 GIANTS are the manifestation of INCEST. LOL All historical accounts show as does the Bible, the science behind giants is due to incest According to the Bible in Genesis Chapter 6 the Giants are the children of the Elohim (gods) , and not a result of incest. Some of them (known as Nephilim) had sex with Caucasian women (daughters of Adam) but this wasn't incest. 　 GIANTS are the manifestation of INCEST. LOL. What? How did you arrive at THAT conclusion? There are a lot of children who are products of incest today and NONE of them are giants. They have a lot of deformities as a result of incest but being giants and building huge cities and great civilizations like the giant Zummim, Jebusites, and Anakim did back in the day is not a characteristic of children of incest. Again, the giants that you read about in the Bible are the children of the Elohim (gods).

Chev Knowledge is Power. Not necessarily. Knowledge is POTENTIAL power, but if that potential isn't exercised what good is it? A NERD is smart and has a lot of "knowledge" but he's weak and passive so a big dumb football player can come along and kick his ass....lol. African leaders are NOT in the state of oppression as we are over here. No one is going to believe you over a bunch educated AFrican leaders who have their own educational system. Perhaps the African leaders are not AS oppressed, but they are still oppressed and in debt to European economic systems and social customs. Nor do most of them have their "own" educational system. Most of the educational systems in Africa were set up by the Europeans and Arabs who colonized them centuries ago. Even after the Europeans left most of those nations STILL use the British or French model for their education and send their children to Europe and the United States to universities. LOL. So I should NOT believe my father-in-law who is Native American over you!? Did your father-in-law TELL YOU that he was an Israelite? Did your father-in-law TELL YOU that the Native Americans were Israelites? I should NOT believe his mother, of whom spoke to me on many occasions about her life as a Native American woman, born on a RESERVATION and who remembers being a part of THE TRAIL OF TEARS!? OK....... Did HIS mother TELL YOU that she was an Israelite? Did HIS mother TELL YOU that Native Americans on that reservaton were Israelites? You and your husband may be calling them Israelites, but I want to know what THEY say they are.

WOW! WARRANTS were put out for their arrests!!!!! So we go from officers who KILLING people and either nothing happens to them or at the most they get re-assigned to desk duty To now: We have officers not only getting FIRED from their jobs but arrested and tossed in jail for tazing people and ruffing them up! My, my, my..........what marvelous things happen when niggaz act a fool......LOL.

Chev LOL! It absolutely does. The lineage absolutely includes the 400 year period of captivity You say it does? According to the Old Testament Jacob entered Egypt with his sons BEFORE they were enslaved - later on they suffered 430 years of slavery - after slavery they wandered 40 years in the desert - after stealing land from the Canaanites many more years pass - until we get to King David With the 430 years in slavery there's no telling how many years those other events took but let's give it all a nice round CONSERVATIVE figure of .....say....500 years of time for all of this to transpire! I just showed you the lineage that Matthew attributes to Jesus. It goes from Jacob to Judas-Phares-Esrom-Aram-Aminadab-Nassoon-Salmon-Boaz-Obed-Jesse and eventually King David! Are you telling me that those line of only 10 patriarchs from Judah to King David includes 500 or even 400 years???????? However, to the north in 'the Middle East' where there were trees, this was a Canaanite practice!!! I've read no records of Kenaani (Canaanites) lynching people and hanging them from trees. It was a very sex-based culture with a lot of rituals involving sex and fertility rites, which usually means that violence is kept to a minimum. There is also evidence that they were vegetarian despite their great height and strength. The Creator would NOT allow Moses to address the Egyptians with a force while his people were under their control, but after the PASSOVER, then the Creator made them fight back and defend themselves. They developed their own military system headed up by Joshua and Caleb. Problem is, they didn't use this military force against the Egyptians they claim oppressed them! They decided to use it against a relatively peaceful people with a major civilization who were doing absolutely nothing to them....the Kenaani (Canaanites). The Kenaani were building their own cities, engaging in agriculture, and minding their own business when a group of wild tribes out of the desert came rushing into their cities knocking over statues, murdering people, and desecrating their sacred temples claiming their god "ordered" them to do so. Imagine if you were sitting in your car chilling and some fool with a long beard and a roll of paper in his hand started banging on your door and trying to pull you out the car claiming it's HIS car and holding up the roll of paper calling it "holy" and claimed that god gave this car to him and you should leave it.....lol. The scriptures written about hanging and incest, etc. were to address ancient evil practices that had already occurred hundreds, and hundreds of years prior to the Hebrew Israelite cultures that were developed in Egypt, AFrica. The Hebrew culture was developed in Africa, but not the Israelite culture. Again, I don't know of any records (not even in the Bible) of the Kenaani peoples or any other original peoples practicing incest or hanging people. Prostitution was common and there's some evidence of homosexuality. They had sex rituals where priests would have sex with women in the temples....but these weren't incestuous to my knowledge. The only records we have of people being hung and committing incest are the Biblical records of the Israelites lynching the Kenaani and Lot having sex with his own daughters.

Chev But yet, I should believe you, with NO formal education? You, who like me are not in the land of AFrica? Yes. The less formal education you have usually means the less indoctrinated. One of the differences between people like me and people like the ones you speak of is that they merely read the English Bible and ATTACH themselves to the scriptures. I read the HEBREW translations of it and get the more accurate meaning. I go to the history of each book of the Bible and find out what languages they were originally written in and transliterate certain key words to see the contradictions and mistranslations. So while my educaton may not be formal, it's more accurate and more indepth because it's not given to me by those with an agenda to keep me in a state of oppression. Further........ Just because someone is living on a particular land was born on it doesn't necessarily mean they know the history behind it, especially ancient history. For example..... We (AfroAmericans) were born and raised in the United States.....how much of the history of the particular Native American tribe that inhabited the land YOUR CITY is now built on, do you know about? It's the same with many of our people in Africa. Many of the people are born, work-sleep-eat, and die on the land without knowing much of it's history. Unless they have an Elder/Griot who can give them an accurate history of their land and people, much of the history they get comes from what Caucasians teach them in universities.

Damn, the shit was 3 years ago.....why is he JUST NOW apologizing? Wait, let me guess! He repented and now has a change of heart! Yeah...that's it! ......the no good bastids.

Chev You are correct, that the Moors of North Africa are the descendants primarily of the Emori (Ammorite) people! "I thought that you were all, Well—" Maybe she wanted to say she thought all Americans were, Well- WHITE ...lol. Many people think ONLY White people live in America. Anyway sis..... As I've mentioned before, the original HEBREWS were and still are Africans.....but the original (and current) children of Israel were Caucasian. You can't always go by what some of our people from Africa say because just like our people here many of them have been colonized and indoctrinized by Christianity, Islam, and Judaism for hundreds of years. They are indoctrinated with Caucasian based scriptures and believe in them so deeply that they constantly want to see THEMSELVES in every scripture. Negroes calling themselves "Moses", another negro calling himself "Jesus" and yet another is running around with his shirt off and a gold chain around his neck calling himself "King Solomon"....lol. You'd probably get more accurate information talking to a traditional tribal elder who doesn't believe in any of these so-called "monotheistic" religions and believe in their traditional religion.

Problem is....... That 400 years of bondage in Egypt never happened. It was a myth that the Rabbis made up in Babylon when they were inventing the religion of Judaism. This is why in the New Testament when you read the geneology of Jesus's lineage in the first chapter of Matthew it doesn't include a 400 year time period where the Israelites were in captivity. 1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias It goes pretty much from Abraham and Isaac straight to David the king with only a few people in between, not nearly enough people for a 400 or 500 year time period. Infact, when Jesus was arguing with the Jews in John 8:33 we find this exchange: 31Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? According to this scripture these Jews say that they....the seed of Abraham....was NEVER in bondage to anyone! No sis...... There was no Egyptian slavery. You said this was an ancient practice but to my knowledge there are no records of people being lynched or hung from trees before this biblical reference. Do you know of any ancient Indian, Egyptian, or Native American records of people being hung from trees as a punishment?

Troy I wasn't talkng about forming our own separate nation, although that's what we NEED to do. I was talking about remaining citizens of this nation as AfroAmericans paying taxes and serving in offices but establishing our own institutions (banks, schools, buying property, ect.....) so that we are more independant citizens. However since you asked the questions..................... When you say "we" have to live together: -We can all live together. Or -We can all live apart. Or we can do BOTH with some choosing to live with Caucasians and others choosing not to. I know you don't believe it but keep in mind I've said that Black people are TRILLIONS of years old and have been on this planet for TRILLIONS of years before the Caucasian even came into existence. How were we surviving THEN without them? We don't need them to live, they need us. Now, if we choose to live together....... Then it become a question about who will be in charge. If Caucasians are in charge, most of the Original peoples of the planet will not live in peace and comfort. As I said in another thread, their nature is different than ours and If they are in charge they will build laws and a system that works great for THEM but will not agree with US. However if WE (Original people) are in charge then ALL people's will live in relative comfort and relative peace including the Caucasian, although many of them would still have a strong desire to dominate. But enough of my rambling, I don't want to jack Camila's thread.....lol.

Troy So now you say that white people natures are different and therefore less susceptible to being converted into a homosexual than a Black person who watches drag queens on TV. Do i understand you correctly. Yes. Generally speaking, they tend to have stronger intellects. Most of the time when a Caucasian does something they know EXACTLY what they're doing and why they're doing it. They have a purpose. Too often when a Black person does something they do it because they see Caucasians doing it and that's the only reason. Getting tattoos is a good example. Caucasians know exactly why THEY get tattoos, most Black folks don't...except it being "in style". Watching Ru Paul may not turn heterosexual Black MEN into homosexuals but what about the young impressionable AfroAmerican BOYS who are watching him on television switching and snapping and acting flamboyantly feminine (more feminine than even women act) ? Children learn how to act in society by watching the adults....especially adults who look like them. If little Black boys turn on the television and HALF of the Black men they see are wearing dresses, switching and snapping; and the women on the show.....instead of finding a man who behaves like that disgusting....are shown hugging them and praising them and delighting in their company -many of these boys will grow up wanting to be like that! They may not be homosexual, but they will ACT feminine and flamboyant for attention and fame. Television shows aren't called PROGRAMMING for nothing, there's an agenda going on!

Chev I've heard Ben Crump get on television and mentioned this before. I think they should go ahead and charge the officers instead of announcing it before they do so. My, my, my how they can come up with new laws and new ways to charge people when they claimed at first that they couldn't.....lol. Like Troy asked, what's the deal with Oprah?

That's right. If you recall some years ago they were knocking them down and tearing them down but a lot of the local governments and citizens got in the way and started protesting against it so most of them remained. But now that so many Black folks are hyped up and out in the streets tearing up.....they aren't even putting up an argument. In today's climate....... If a Black woman were to pull down her pants and piss on one of those statues before taking a hammer to it I doubt if anyone would have a negative word to say about it right now...lol. They may be thinking negative, but they won't dare say shit. It's the same with the Confederate flag. No one should feel comforable walking around waving a Confederate flag or wearing one on their t-shirt in public! The problem with our people is we often let people do shit for so long without raising sand about it to the point that they get COMFORTABLE with their racism and then it reaches a boiling point where Black folks go crazy and end up burning down half the damn city and all of a sudden everyone gets in line and acts respectable.

Where did this idea of lynching Black people by hanging them from trees come from? What is it's history? Some of you opened this thread and thought I was going to take you back to the 1700s to William Lynch or maybe even the 1400s. Nooooo, when I give you the history of a thing I take you back to it's ORIGIN to it's ROOT! The history of lynching (public execution) people from trees has a history that goes back THOUSANDS of years. The Children of Israel that you read about in the Bible are the Caucasian ("white") race. As historically inaccurate as it may be at times the Old Testament of the Bible is a pretty good account of their exploits as they invaded the middle east and began attacking cities, murdering, and enslaving the Original men, women, and children they found there. Now, this practice of killing people and then hanging them from trees or hanging them on trees while they were still alive and chopping off body parts most likely started when the Caucasians who were called by the people of that region "children of Israel" cross the Jordan river and invaded the lands of the Original people collectively known as the Kenaani (called Canaanites in the Bible). They would kill them and hang them from their sacred trees (groves) and statues as a form of terror and public execution. They would also use this as a punishment for eachother but would take the body down before night. It's mentioned in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy ch. 21: 22-23 this way: "And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he is to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day (for he that is hanged is accursed of God), that thy land be not defiled which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance"