Pioneer1

I came across this video a couple days ago and I was so focused on the sheer BEAUTY of this young lady, it took about 5 minutes to listen to what she had to say about her struggles as a dark skinned AfroLatina not just in the United States but even in the Hispanic entertainment industry. Poor brutha Charlamagne........ Judging by many of the ignorant comments he was making.....lol....rather than being enlightened, I think this interview just added to his confusion. Troy, having come from New York and now living in Florida I'm sure you've met THOUSANDS of Black Hispanics. Judging not just by the interview this beautiful young lady just gave but just based on the dozens of conversations I've had with different AfroLatinos over the years......they seem to be VERY frustrated at their STILL lack of representation in the media and other segments of society. I'm sure continental African outreach has crossed your mind, but have you ever thought about building a forum specifically for Afro-Latino literature or pursuing Afro-Latino authors for interviews? There doesn't seem to be a huge platform for them anywhere.

Troy One of the reasons Black children got a better education in the past even though there was less technology available to them is because of 2 things: 1. You had a lot of teachers (of all races) who ACTUALLY CARED about teaching children. This is why many of them became teachers in the first place; because they actually loved teaching people. Unlike today where a lot of people choose to be teachers because they have a degree and can't get the job they REALLY want so settle as teachers as a last resort. Not all ofcourse, but many....too many. 2. A major reason why so many AfroAmerican children get a better education when they are around other AfroAmerican children is for the same reason so many AfroAmerican students do better in HBCUs more so than when they go to Caucasian universities......because they have motivation to do so. It raises your self esteem when you're around more of your own people who look like you and share the same values. When you're around people you can relate to and have fun with and are vibing at a similar level you actually LIKE going to school!!!!

You can study it, but as I advised earlier....you should focus more on Dravidian or Tamil astrology as it's much older.

Troy I hear what you're saying, however how does what you AND the Surgeon General are stressing about how ineffective the masks are square with what Governors and community health officials all over the nation are requiring that people wear masks in public? If masks are NOT effective, why are so many community officials requiring them? And according to THIS article...... https://www.washingtonpost.com/ While the federal government is telling YOU that you don't need a mask they are running around like crazy securing them for THEMSELVES! It seems as if mixed messages are being sent to the public.

I'm knowledgeable enough to know there are grammatical errors in that statement.....lol. In light of recent events, I may have to "review" my consideration of you for the position.

Old or new, the question is does it work. You'd be surprised at how many times calling a woman "scrumptious" has worked......lol. Old Spice cologne is OT like a mug, but a lot of women still like it....lol. Troy I used to think it didn't matter. Now I understand that wearing masks not only LIMIT (key word) the amount of viral particles you may be exposed to but also if everyone is wearing a mask it's quite effective in preventing those with the virus from spreading it beyond themelves.

Troy Alright, I may have to walk back my statement about Bernie talking over the heads of people. I admit I don't listen to him much....because I don't trust him....so I can't say this. As far as Obama, even when he was running people were worried that he was so smart and used such educated language that the masses of people wouldn't be able to relate to him or understand what he's saying. This perception of him was maintained through out his Presidency. https://prospect.org/power/obama-aloof-sure.-matter-no./ https://www.nationalbcc.org/news/beyond-the-rhetoric/1181-our-president-is-aloof Even HE recognized that this perception of him was pretty pervasive and said it troubled him..... https://www.npr.org/2018/06/05/617091665/obama-staffer-looks-back-on-his-white-house-years-it-can-take-a-real-toll 　 　 Do you mean the dems should appeal to the unwashed masses by blatantly lying to them? No. But speak plainly and in more general terms. For example, if you are a Democrat and are running for office and you believe that your Republican opponent is a gun toting racist......SAY THAT. Tell your base that the Repubican party is a racist right wing party and want to lock up Blacks and deport Browns. Now YOU Troy may be laughing at what I just said right now however you know that that statement about Republicans in general is fundamentaly true AND the masses of poor people and people of color will definately understand this! What the hell is: "Well, my opponent doesn't believe in diversity and supports unfair immigration laws!" What kinda shit is that? Diversity? Unfair laws? Most poor and half educated (or in many cases uneducated) people don't know what the fuck you're talking about! Speak to them PLAINLY and motivate them (or scare them) to get their asses out and vote for you! This is something Republicans have gotten good at doing over the past 40 years or so since Reagan. It's not about lying but about properly selling whatever program you're pushing. But when it comes to poor and working class people....you have to call a spade a spade and speak in GENERALITIES; something most educated people have been taught NOT to do.

Troy Yeah, I was going to ask you were you talking about Dr. Umar Johnson but Del claimed it first. My example of AfroAmericans building their own educational institutions wouldn't be Dr. Umar Johnson so much as it would be the Nation of Islam and the various Muhammad University of Islam schools they have scattered all over the nation. Having no straight Black male teachers AND all of the injustices mistreatement that you were dealt as an AfroAmerican male should be enough to make you wish that NO other AfroAmerican boy experiences what you did.

Is it me, or does it seem like wearing those masks make many women look more attractive? Just going to the grocery store gets me worked up now as I see dozens of women of all ages rolling around with masks on and I'm seeing one set of pretty eyes after another. Even women I'm intimate with and am already attracted to, when I see them with that mask on it's like meeting someone new for the first time....lol. It reminds me of those old television shows when a man invades an Arabian harem and sees a bunch of women laying around half naked with mask on. All you see is a pair of pretty eyes batting and staring at you. A couple of other brothers have mentioned the same thing to me when I brought it to their attention.

Troy He didn't threaten me directly, he was too smart for that. But like many negroes do when they get angry he talked OF violence and how he COULD be violent.....lol. Typical foolish behavior you see online when the emotions come out, which is why we must be careful. Some White Supremist could watch 2 fools go at it and take advantage of the situation by commiting an act against one and the public would assume it was just 2 Black folks fighting eachother! As for our people getting our own schools.....YOU sir...can make that happen.

Yes, Bernie DOES talk over the heads of most people but that's not why he doesn't get enough support. Most people just don't think he can seriously become president. As for Obama, YES he did talk over the heads of most people and a lot of people actually criticized him for being aloof and too cerebral as compared to Bush. But people hated Bush so much it propelled Obama's Caucasian support into the Whitehouse and most AfroAmericans supported him....not because they completely understood what he was saying but because he was a fellow AfroAmerican who wasn't a brainwashed Conservative Republican.

Troy Is this what you are trying to say? No, that's what YOU are saying when you support theories like Evolution....lol. I'm saying that the laziness and self-hated that many of our people suffer from isn't from genetics but from hundreds if not thousands of years of being miseducated and SPOILED. That's right....SPOILED. A bad parent will spoil a child to the point that they never really grow up to be independant and self-sufficient, and this is what living under Caucasian rulership has done to many Africans not just in the United States but around the world. I'm almost sure this is one of the major reasons why the West may hate African nations but insist on continuing to give them billions of dollars in so-called financial, food, and medical aid. So that they don't learn to take care of themselves.

Troy If you want to put some money in MY pocket....... Build that school, make me Senior Professor (along with Delano as my trusted side-kick & paper-passer-outter) , and put me on a steady salary......lol. On a real tip, I don't know Tim Wise personally or interact with him enough to invite him anywhere. There ARE people that I know personally who would make great contributors to the conversations we engage in in this forum, but as I've said over the years I try to keep my online life and my REAL life seperate as much as I can. The battle me and K2 had a few....years has it been????...ago is an example of why it's not good to share your personal information with people you meet on highly opinionated forums. All it takes for things to go south is a few cross words and next thing you know threats are being made. I've recommended the site in general to a lot of AfroAmericans I know.....especially the authors and poets. And to my suprise many already knew about you even before I mentioned you! But as far as the discussion forums that I may frequent on this and other sites, I don't talk about them.

Troy No these people are not civilized if they continue to believe this stuff and act upon these beliefs. They are the exact opposite to civilized they are barbarian. Political postions, money, and power does not make you civilized. Is 45 civilized? They are highly civilized. ...Immoral ...Diabolical ....but still civil, towards eachother. I keep trying to tell people like I said about G.W. Bush.....don't play Trump cheap. He's not stupid NOR is he a fool. He talks the way he talks and acts the way he acts to CONNECT with his base that he needs for support. Caucasian Democrats could learn a lesson or two from the Republicans on how to connect with the average American they CLAIM they're in office to help instead of talking and behaving in such a high-brown manner and speaking over the heads of the average American.

Troy Now you just talking crazy LOL! Lol.....only just now? had it ever occurred to you that most of the time all the law enforcement jobs you talking about Black being too lazy to get -- we were excluding from being hired into them until our generation. That's not historically true. Since the 70s in most major U.S. cities AfroAmerican men have had a decent opportunity to become law enforcement officers. Many have taken advantage of that opportunity and joined the force, but many more haven't. We aren't fighting to get on the force or change the laws at nearly the level we should be. And even if I were to concede to your point about Black men being excluded from law enforcement jobs until recently.... what about now? What's keeping so many hundreds of thousands of AfroAmerican men from joining the force and more importantly demanding change to a system that is clearly targetting them today? There are a lot of AfroAmericans working as prison guards for a racist prison system that is locking up their own friends and family members so simply joining isn't the entire solution either. Again, too many don't want the responsibility of governing themselves or their community and would rather leave that up to "them white folks"; but then turn around and cry about how "them white folks" treat them when Caucasians DO what Caucasians do. 　 There are many Black men who were destroyed by the school system. You expect these very same dudes to have the wherewithal to start an educational institution. Which is all the more reason for us to build OUR OWN institutions! Examples like the ones you gave are common across all of America. I remember when we used to raise our hand to answer questions in class that the teachers stopped calling on me when my voice started changing and got deeper. Even Malcolm X mentioned the discrimination you faced in school. This has been going on for decades. We know that most Caucasians (male and female) don't have a vested interest in AfroAmerican children getting a proper education so they can grow up and compete with THEIR children.....we've BEEN known this. So again, what's the excuse for these victimized Black males NOT to exodus the public educational system in large numbers and develop their own schools? Same reason I gave for the police force...... Too lazy to do so. Lack of desire to take responsibility for the education of their own children and would rather Caucasians MIS-educate them than take matters in their own hands. Man, you know I'm right. You know MOST (not all) AfroAmerican men and women don't want to be bothered trying to teach THEIR OWN children let alone a class room full of other AfroAmerican children. It's sad and it's a shame.....but you know it's true. If you want to know why I'm so hard on our people, it's because this society has destroyed the morality and even the very humanity of too many of our people to an unbelievable level. You may not believe this but if a law were to be passed right now that parents no longer have to support or take care of their own children beyond the age of 3 years old- Man....what you'd see in the streets of Black America would make you get on your knees and cry. Laziness is just the tip of the iceberg. It's more than JUST laziness, it's a self-hatred and lack of desire to even take care of our own that is really at the heart of these problems.

Troy Thanks????? If the idea meant THAT much to you then you can thank me by putting some CASH in my hand (with gloves on ofcourse)....lol.

Troy I never read the Origin of Species, so I don't know if he was spewing racist propoganda, but if he was a man of his time he probably was. In any event the average 12th grader, from a half way descent school, knows more about genetics than Darwin possibly could. Why linger on 19th century ideas today? Well the title alone speaks volumes even if you never opened the book. If the title talks about "favored races" then that in itself suggests racism. But the reasons why point out the Theory of Evolution's racist origins is important today is because most of the so-called civilized educated world BELIEVES in it! And they either consciously or subconsciously believe that Africans are inferior in part BECAUSE of this theory. You keep trying to separate the theory from it's racist origins, but you can't. Consider the gene that results in a sickness like sickle cell. If the person with sickle cell is a genius does that make him superior or inferior to a dumb person without sicke cell? Some would argue that sickle cell anemia isn't really a sickness but natures way of fighting malaria. According to science, it was found mostly among West Africans in a region where those who DIDN'T have the sickle cell trait would often die of malaria. But in my opinion a genius IS intellectually superior to a dumb person.

If you DID list yourself as White........ You'd probably get a check in the mail a few week later with a couple hundred thousand dollars for disposable income along with a pamphlet for all of the secret amenities this society has to offer for Caucasians like where to find the best hospitals, where to find the cheapest gas, which grocery stores have the best foods, and where to find face masks and hand sanitizer! Imagine showing up to some secret underground market packed with everything you want and need at a very low price and you walk through the door and see a sea of Caucasian faces looking at you in amazement and horror as if to say, "How in the hell did HE find out about this place????"

Troy 　 Really? Do you really believe all those Black people in Flint out the lead in their own water destroying a generation of Black children Do you believe all damn near two million Black people locked up actually belong behind bars? Do you blame the shitty schools so many poor Black kids are forced to languish in is their fault too? No the AfroAmericans of Flint didn't want lead in their water, but they didn't want to control their own water supply and would rather their ENEMY control it for them. This laziness and lack of desire LEAD TO their water being poisoned. Some of those 2 million AroAmericans DO want to be behind bars because for SOME of them it's easier living in a prison where someone is feeding, clothing, and housing you and telling you what to do 24 hours a day than to figure out how to feed, clothe, and house yourself on your own. But most don't want to be there; however most of the AfroAmericans in prison didn't want to take the responsibility of controling the laws in their respective cities, states, and in this nation....the same laws that got them locked up in the first place! Most of them didn't want to be legislatures to shape the laws. Most of of the AfroAmericans in prison DON'T LIKE THE POLICE. Most of them didn't' want to become police officers and saw it as a detestable job with no honor. Since many didn't want to BE police officers, many of them ended up being locked up BY the police! Not that they are necessarily bad or did something wrong or deserved to be locked up, but because THEY didn't want the responsibility or desire to be enforces of the law....many of them became VICTIMS of it! I'll give you another example along the same lines...... Just like on most jobs you've been on most AfroAmericans are satisfied just being the EMPLOYEE but don't want to be the owner or even tne manager. They don't want the responsibility of management but will turn around and complain and cry when THEY end up being the first to get fired or laid off or otherwise disciplined by those in management who LOVE POWER. And maaaaaan, don't get me started on how negroes are the blame THEMSELVES for how shitty the educational system is! As many examples over the century as we've had of AfroAmericans establishing their own schools and educating themeslves only to abandon them and let them crumble just to integrate into Caucasian institutions....... Do you really want to go there on who the blame lays with? 　 　 　 Troy & Delano You could be the first enrollee @Pioneer1. You'd be in science classes all day. and night ???? I know a joke is in there somewhere, I'm just not sure where it is.....lol. My plans aren't to "enroll". I'm telling you now..... My plans are to apply for a position as PROFESSOR of Astrological Science! Delano will be my assistant.

Troy But it is unknowable what the world would be like today if they just played nice and did not rape, pillage, and plunder the world. I believe the so-called "fictional" Wakanda of Black Panther gives us a pretty good idea. Unlike most people who feel that Caucasian civilization uplifts and inspires people of color; I believe that is actually SLOWED and in some cases DEVIATED not only the spiritual growth but technological growth of the planet. Why you so hard on our people knowing what we are going through? Because most of the hardships our people are going through THEY put themselves through it either directly (drug use, violence, stupid behavior, ect...) or indirectly (being too lazy to govern ourselves and take responsibility for our own community welfare). AfroAmericans have been in this nation long enough (over 250 years) to have solidly established OUR OWN hospitals and medical facilities to properly treat and cure our people not only of coronavirus but the multitude of other health disorders that so many of them suffer from. Infact, AfroAmericans DID establish their own hospitals and we had our own nurse organizations about a century ago under Marcus Garvey and some others. Our people didn't have much of a choice. As soon as Caucasians started allowing us into their institutions in massive numbers, many of our people allowed ours to collapse. We Africans are much more creative than Caucasians....literally MUCH MORE CREATIVE. The number one thing that hold most African people back is their collecdtive lack of desire to be independant of Caucasian authority. This lack of desire is born out of laziness and the lack of a strong desire to do the work necessary to build our own institutions and establish our own laws. Too many of us would rather sit back and enjoy (for as long as we can) what Caucasians have established. This laziness and short sightedness is the major reason so many Africans are catching hell not only in the United States but in Africa, The Carribean, and other parts of the world. The number two thing is divisiveness and lack of unity, but that's a different subject all together.....lol. My point is, Africans have the ability to do whatever we put our minds to....so when you see our people NOT doing or accomplishing something it's usually because they don't desire it strongly enough. ....which is why I'm so hard on them. Troy I don't know what your health is like or how you feel but YOU could start YOUR own educational institution down there in Florida! You know Black students and what they need to be successful in whatever field you specialize in. While this crisis has most educational institutions on their knees right now this is a perfect opportunity for YOU to get your own academic institution up and running within 5 years and teach not only Black but ALL races of students. But I know you don't want to do that......lol.

Some people believe that Black people are UNDER counted in the U.S. Census. I believe the opposite. I believe we are OVER counted. I believe many of the people in the United States that are being called "Black" aren't aren't racially African but mixed and many are more Caucasian than African. I believe the Caucasian population in the United States hasn't declined but has actually grown. Again, these are "beliefs" but they are beliefs based personal observations.

　 Troy Yes I'm aware thisecwhites were using junk science to advance the udea of racial superiority. Well that's the actual theory of evolution! It's racist in it's very concept.....read: The subtitle of Darwin's Origin of Species is the preservation of FAVORED RACES! You can't separate the theory from it's racist origins. 　 I must have missed them. Do me a favor and pose them again. 　 According to contemporary Caucasian science, there are DOMINANT genes and RECESSIVE genes. Would it be a mistake to assume that genetically speaking, one with dominant genes would be "genetically superior" to one with recessive genes?

Troy I didn't know Tim was on this site. You should invite him to come to the Culture/Race forum from time to time so we can all chop it up! White people can not only make this country better but they can make the WORLD better by simply doing what John Browne did......using all of their available means to obstruct and counter the behavior of their evil brethren.

Let's keep things in perspective....... Living among Caucasians (meaning living in Western nations OR in predominately African nations governed by European systems) is the NUMBER ONE factor in Africans getting Covid 19! I don't think anyone could reasonably deny that if our people lived only among ourselves with no contact from Caucasians whatsoever....there would be NO CASES of Covid 19 among them. Having said that........ This is a good point that vitamin D deficiency as well as a host of other deficiencies is a major contributing factor to AfroAmericans getting Covid 19. According to science, having dark skin limits the amount of sunlight absorbed into the skin and converted into vitamin D. Which means that AfroAmericans really need more sunlight than Caucasians to generate the same amount of vitamin D. This goes with your argument in another thread that Africans are designed to live closer to the equator. But sunlight isn't the only source of vitamin D. And the fact that the diet of most AfroAmericans is so poor and misguided is a major contributing factor. I don't know if others on this site have made the same observation but when I look at different people of various races who look to be over the age of 60....AfroAmericans tend to stand out based on what I see them eating! When I see Asians or Caucasians over 60 in public the majority are sipping on coffee, eating a banana or some sort of fruit, and most of the time they're eating nothing. But I've seen so many AfroAmericans over 60 eating TACOS, BAR-B-QUE CHIPS, DORITOS, ect.....straight up junk food! There is nothing like observing a 70 year old negro with a nappy white beard sitting infront of a liquor store drinking cherry Kool-aid and eating skittles shamelessly begging for money as he grins and lets his bright red tongue just flap away! Many of our people have become a living mockery in society. Is there any wonder why Fauci is now going all over the television and internet to places like BET and the Breakfast club lecturing Black folks on their poor diet and lifestyle?

Troy Yes, I know. It is not the right word. It implies a change from a simpler to a more complex form. White people aren't more complex than or superior to Black people. Yes....and I know what YOU mean, lol. But that's not what Caucasians who came up with the concept mean. THEY mean the opposite of what you said. The concept of evolution that THEY came up with clearly implies that Caucasians are more complex and superior....regardless as to your interpretation or understanding of it. 　 Even those terms Black and white are not the correct terms because they are sloppy ways of grouping people. Using these arbitrary racial terms just makes having a meaningful conversation about people impossible I agree, which is why I usually use the terms "African" and "Caucasian". Using the wrong terms doesn't necessarily negate an argument; sometimes it just means you're trying to fix a problem using the wrong tools. Using the CORRECT and/or MORE ACCURATE terms can not only legitamize an argument and can even END certain arguments as often times the arguments are based on semantics and using correct terms aligns and syncronizes the opposing minds. Now....... Are you going to answer my questions concerning DOMINANT and RECESSIVE genes and superiority?