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@Pioneer1 now I comprehend. You call the people the community fails , dead weight, fair enough .

@zeke1234 very simple, most in humanity are reared to be liars or aid or abet in the maintenance or proliferation of lies. Lies often are the least violent of negativities until the truth comes forward, which usually yields the most unfortunate results or consequences of all negativities.

@Pioneer1 the black community in the usa never had a philosophy to concur on cause the goals of views of the various black groups are too variant. That is just the historical reality. My only suggestion is for those who think like you, who share your opinion, collate and do.

@Chevdove What you have to comprehend, and I hope you embrace the following idea well, most countries in modern humanity are filled with liars, the rich lie about where their wealth comes from, the poor lie about why they are denied wealth, the governments lie about the nature of their system, the governed lie about the reality of living under the system. The USA, rich or poor or government or general populace the governed , lie more than any one else in humanity, but has created an environment where most countries mirror the lying culture of the usa. France has always been anti non white or anti non european. But, a few rich in France, have some non white friends or non european friends and tout this egalitarianism. The government of France needed closest to enslaved labor but couldn't operate in the usa global system as in the past, so they had to invite poor people into france, the usa model. But they only wanted their cheap labor , in the same way the usa or england only wanted or wants cheap labor. But, the government of France was unable to say in the usa global system that they never planned on the cheap labor or any of their descendents to be anything in france but that, so France doesn't compute race in their statistics. A strong cover in a humanity whose media in nearly every corner of humanity, led by the USA of course, love statistics to prove or disprove, thus france can say, france is an aracial country cause no racial statistics exist. But the africans in france are liars as well. JAme sBAldwin in his book, I am not your negro flat out said, the algerian is the negro of france. I don't know how better to say it. Any african in France talking about being abused when you think about the relationship of senegal or algeria to france is a liar at the least or at the most a fool plus liar. The truth is a simple thing. It isn't desired by liars cause it invalidates their position. The government of france wants to say it is built to embrace all, when it isn't. The rich of france wants to say, they are open to profit for all when they don't. The poor of france wants to say they are a multiracial community when they are not. The poor of france in parts can't stand each other. The immigrants to france from outside europe, no matter the generation feel they should be accepted or embraced into france when they knew they were not and know they don't need to be. I have been to north africa, yes, their is poverty, alot of it, and the wealthy north africa has no interest in sharing wealth or supporting their impoverished neighbor. But, the immigrants to france from north africa can go home, home being where they came from. I know I have preached and I apologize. But, in this issue people are focusing away from the primary point. The lies eventually are undone by the truth. No shame in telling the truth even if it is a negativity. https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2369&type=status

@Pioneer1 that's your view, again, all I will say is, I don't concur to the principles of the following from your prose. Again, I don't want you or anyone else to change your views, but I am free to say you don't speak for me or my views are not analogous to yours or anyone else's To the following, I am certain all groups in humanity can grow or expand as well as lessen or diminish . Any human who thinks any group in humanity can't get better or worse at any time , is for me, a true fool. But I don't comprehend what you mean by dead weight, what are you talking about?

@Pioneer1 all i will say is I can't agree or I don't like or can't accept the following from you as analagous to my perception For me, and me alone, I ask no one to agree or change their opinion, but again for me I can't say how I describe said events fits how you describe it.

@Chevdove what do you think? history can not be changed while alternative histories can not be known. My position can not be proven nor can pioneer's position be proven absolute. The only thing that is certain is what happened. but how history is assessed explains ourselves and i think many black people in the usa show they are, safe pragmatist, in how they assess history. Taking every turn of history in the usa as a positive step on a path is best, not because it is fact, which is what the past is, not because it must be assessed positivlely, which is only opinion, but because it fits the strategy of seeing the choices the black community, in particular, DOS community has made as to the best interest of the black community. But I argue many events in usa or its european colonial history are not for the best for the black community or at least its majority and do not lead to wiser situations in the time after said events.

@Pioneer1 I study history , and in my assessment, notice I didn't say I was right or wrong ... in my assessment your following statement is assumption. What do I know ? I know that even though the british lost the war against the colonies, they did uphold their bargain to the majority of the free black people of the british colonies, said folk who fought against the whites of the colonies. If anyone else reads this notice what I said, they fought against the whites of the colonies. The USA has in it a blood feud that too many have tried to make unreal through media but clearly exists even today. But what does that have to do with your quote Pioneer. You suggest that if britain would had won, then no war between the states. But you forget in your assessment of history, if britain would had won based on their own actions in losing and in the war of 1812 which in my view was the true end to the USA as colonies of britain going forward. Britain was always going to allow Black people in the usa to have rights equal to the whites in the usa if britain won. I don't think britain would had ended slavery but they would had universalized slavery. Meaning what. I guess, no one can know so I am not saying I am right or wrong, that if britain won, the black soldiers would had to play a key role <<it is a joke of nature that black soldiers of the french empire coming from hispanola, that would be soon haiti fought for the colonies. If Haiti had been created, before the usa, said black soldiers don't fight for the french against the british but fightffor haiti alongside britain against france side the usa, only conjecture but it fits>> and based on what britian did in losing, which the usa didn't want. Britian would had given the black soldiers land and rights, equal to any whites in the colonies. why? Ths had nothing t do with europe. Britain only wanted money from the colonies. Britain would not had minded money as long as they are getting it. Sequentially, slavery wouldn't had ended but the phenotypical bounds of slavery in masters or enslaved I think would had ended. And that would had changed human history. To be blunt, chattel slavery still goes on in the usa even, through various cult groups , so slavery never ended , cause it can't, slavery is an element of human culture, forever, the question is, who is enslaved and who is enslaving. I argue the usa becomes like the roman empire , where being enslaved or being an enslaver was polyphenotypical, it had no bounds on appearance... any human could do both. Thanks for the historical question near july 4th

@Pioneer1 You made me think on labels. I realize now, and I hope I remember in the future, that the black community in the usa has two types of pragmatism, based on how I define pragmatism. Safe PRagmatism side Risky PRagmatism. Safe PRagmatism in the Black community in the usa while supported by whites has shown more results, ala the Black community in Tulsa, the modern Black 1% of rich, black elected officials in the usa, . But Risky Pragmastism in the black community in the usa while opposed by whites has produced results too. Garveyism did produce results. Black people left the usa, and started businesses. I do also think, as I have told many black militants or nationalists over the years, black militancy or black nationalism simply has no space to grow as a movement in the usa long term unless many things change in the usa, which can happen but I don't think will. To your questions involving the word we, well it is clear that many we's don't really exist

hmm @Pioneer1 I love your honesty to your stance, I am a communalist. I have always opposed a few from a group growing as acceptable. But I think your position is most efficient for the black community in the usa. @ProfD well, a few getting while most not is how white people did it in NYC. The White community in NYC was never some efficient group, but rich whites led and lead positively. I don't mind the black 1 percent in africa but their lack of leading positively is what I oppose.

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@Pioneer1ahh well I guess I was merely fortunate. well, the village will get better eventually

@Pioneer1 What is it about non violent personal accountability that hasn't convinced many black people to embrace it as you will like? While your first point I can not say i concur to completely, this point is massive, a functional truth. The DOSers used to have multiple dialects of english BUT DOSers themselves neglected it. Ala the words of langston hughes, black graduates from historical black colleges or white ones who littered the NAACP for example. The only language I can think of that black DOSers created in the past that remains alive is Black Sign Language. Am I wrong in your experience?

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September 13, 2022 https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2064&type=status I stated that the Black community was incorrect to itself concerning education. In this very same forum, how often have Black folk complained about a so called lack of education among our own. A demand for this and that in terms of goals in the education system in the USA which black people never controlled or administered in majority. And yes, it matters when someone not black is governing Black people. Said someone is a fellow human but that includes their human dislikes or desires that don't go alongside other humans. Recently I used simple proof that the black community has to stop chiding itself as impotent concerning the issue of voting when white people themselves assessing the whole landscape admit all communities are doing as the black community. Now the legal system of NYC that pushed charter schools into Harlem, supported by most black elected officials or black churches or the black business owning class, because black kids were touted as abysmal failures, which was and is a lie, has tiptoed and found every path possible to not treat a white tribe of orthodox white jews like the black tribe known as Descended of Enslaved. I heard black women, black elected officials criminalize black children as lazy, as disgruntled, as disrespecting their ancestors, while a horde of white children in the same city are being allowed to have an absent educational record. But what is the issue? it isn't the children. It is the parents. The white jewish parents gained power and then used power to raise their kids as they want, even going completely against the rules supposedly for all. While the Black parents are unwilling to admit their impotency and enslaved mindset to their children while demanding their children uphold the false idol of financial positive mobility in the united states of america, which the black parents know full well is a lie. Shame on the black parent. Shame on the black community. We all have supported or lived by at one point or another this idea that our future generations have to reach some goal, make the usa some thing. In NYC, while Black kids were being criminalized for not being 100% as individuals or as a collective in an educational assessment that wasn't the true problem of the black kids, white kids were protected and reared by their parents in the same city to be free of concern for the same system. Black parents shut up and gain power. Black business owners, shut up and take over other firms. The Black community in the usa goes on and on all the time about what the youth need to do. No the adults need to do whatever it takes to gain real power and that includes violence, or shut up and let the youth live as they will cause the whites in this country are using their power to make their children's lives as happy as can be while as free from any condemnation even when they can't read. City determines 18 yeshivas not meeting standards By Jillian Jorgensen New York City PUBLISHED 3:40 PM ET Jun. 30, 2023 The city has determined that four Orthodox yeshivas are failing to provide an education “substantially equivalent” to what’s offered in public schools — and recommends the state reach the same conclusion for another 14 yeshivas the city says are ultimately under state authority. The findings are the results of a long-stalled and politically thorny investigation that has stretched on since 2015. The city found that just seven schools they investigated met standards. That’s in addition to two it found were up to standards in 2019. What You Need To Know The city has determined that four Orthodox yeshivas are failing to provide an education “substantially equivalent” to what’s offered in public schools — and recommends the state reach the same conclusion for another 14 yeshivas the city says are ultimately under state authority The findings are the results of a long-stalled and politically thorny investigation that has stretched on since 2015. The city found that just seven schools they investigated met standards. That’s in addition to two it found were up to standards in 2019 The city says it could not make a final determination in the case of the 14 schools because of an amendment that gives the state education commissioner the power to make final determinations for schools that meet certain requirements The investigation was spurred by a complaint from a group called Young Advocates for a Fair Education, or YAFFED, headed at the time by a yeshiva graduate who argued his education left him ill-prepared for the world outside of religious studies The city says it could not make a final determination in the case of the 14 schools because of an amendment introduced in 2018 by state Sen. Simcha Felder, which gives the state education commissioner the power to make final determinations for schools that meet certain requirements, like having a bilingual program. For that reason, the ruling is not final for those 14 schools, and the recommendations will not be made public. State Education Commissioner Betty Rosa had ordered the city Department of Education to complete the inquiry — which, in 2019, the city Department of Investigation ruled had been delayed by former Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration for political purposes — by today. The investigation was spurred by a complaint from a group called Young Advocates for a Fair Education, or YAFFED, headed at the time by a yeshiva graduate who argued his education left him ill-prepared for the world outside of religious studies. YAFFED and other critics argue many so-called ultra-Orthodox yeshivas provide little to no secular instruction, particularly for boys, and instead focus on religious studies. Representatives of the schools have pushed back strenuously on those claims. The schools are private, but do receive some state funding and, like all private schools in New York, are required to provide children with an education “substantially equivalent” to what is offered in public schools. The investigation kicked off a debate of what exactly substantially equivalent means, prompting the state to develop rules for determining it. The rules, adopted in September, subject non-public schools to review by local school districts — in New York City, the DOE — to determine if they meet criteria like having a competent teacher provide instruction, offering classes in English, math, science and social studies, and that lessons are provided to children with limited English proficiency to help them learn English. The investigation, and the guidelines from the state, kicked off massive outcry from Orthodox groups, who have characterized them as an attack on religious liberty. In an interim report released in 2019, the DOE reported that just two of 28 yeshivas were meeting standards, and that some were not allowing the city access to conduct reviews. Critics have long argued the city dragged its feet in the investigation to avoid angering the Orthodox community, which is politically influential in the city. And in 2019, the Department of Investigation determined that the mayor’s office delayed the release of the preliminary report in exchange for support of the extension of mayoral control of city schools. In a statement provided to NY1 on Friday, the group Parents for Educational and Religious Liberty said the “outcomes of yeshiva education are on display every day across New York: in the successful business and professional careers of tens of hundreds of thousands yeshiva graduates and in the law abiding and loving families they are raising here.” "PEARLS rejects the attempt to measure the efficacy of yeshiva education by applying a skewed set of technical requirements,” the group said. “Utilizing a government checklist devised and enforced by lawyers may help explain the state of public education. It is designed to obscure rather than illuminate the beauty and success of yeshiva education.” “Parents choose yeshiva education for their children because of the religious, moral and educational philosophy and approach of those who lead yeshivas,” it added. “They will continue to do so, regardless of how many government lawyers try to insist that yeshiva education is best measured by checklists they devise rather than the lives yeshiva graduates lead." URL https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2023/06/30/new-york-city-yeshiva-investigation-findings So besides suggesting falsely that Black children are failing, what do you have to say?

@ProfD fair enough, thank you

To the coverage, it is very gentle. I wonder how many whites read Jet? Cause while the article comes to the conclusion that babies from interracial relationships are not any better than babies from monoracial relationships, it speaks to interracial relationships themselves very congenially. Speaking of Booker T washington/Frederick Douglass/The Dumas's or other you will think all or most interracial relationships were positive, not rapes or one sided. It also doesn't state a difference between being born from two who don't have the same phentoypical range of skin or being born from parents of the same phenotypical range while one's skin is between the range labeled black and the other range labeled white. It was unwilling to embrace the complexities of race.

@Mel Hopkins positive Black policy in the USA, My answer below to your post is the most functional answer, absent going into any detail. If you are still unclear , I will try to restate. And for the record, I stated this idea as not my agenda or personal plan. The idea I mentioned is not something I personally support but feel is the best thing for the black community in NYC to do. please link the post to your post I already have my answer, which I will comment on your post. with the following. Black party of governance overview https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1945&type=status Forum talk https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1890&type=status Black people complaigning forever but somehow it never happens https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2137&type=status The potential definition of Black in the modern usa has added more challenges https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2124&type=status @ProfD fair enough, @Mel Hopkins asked a while back what was a plan, I answered in this community but away from her post. you said the following which relates to the issue of solutions in this threat. the only way an elected official in the two major parties can be held accountable in the usa is by voting them out but the problem is, how long can any people vote people out before they get tired of voting people out. The assumption is, that if voters vote people out quality people will come in, that assumption is a lie which even the white community in the usa shows. So Profd! you are in front of a million black men, what is your solution to the problem? If you don't have one , think of one.

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I asked @ProfD in the following forum post a question. What is the solution to get positive Black policy in the USA, without stating something Black people already tried? I repeat, without stating something Black people already tried and failed to do, what is the solution to get positive Black policy in the USA? The point of this post is simply to get black people who may come across to admit one of two thing. They have never stated the community needs to do something different than what was already tried and failed. OR they have a new idea that was too resisted by most other black people. The truth everybody, I am tired of the lies, the merry go round strategies.

@ProfD What is the solution to get positive Black policy in the USA, without stating something Black people already tried? I repeat, without stating something Black people already tried and failed to do, what is the solution to get positive Black policy in the USA?

@Troy I am harlem , manhattan, nyc born and raised and live there. ok cool, maybe making the polls open will be cool, if you can allow for members and guest votes to be shown too. And add the number of votes in harlem of people who were formerly incarcerated. The years of unfair law enforcement created in the black community a large voting block of people who will vote for someone formerly incarcerated. But, in terms of quality I argue he is low. The why being, the city council works by committee. I is a legislative body so being elected to it means little if you have no connections. Richardson I think was more honest, but absent connections being a socialist was isolated and attacked by the donkeys plus elephants. Salaam is not as honest or radical but he is in the donkey fold so he can have a common tenure in the city council but his policy ideas are less radical or honest. yeah circa two years ago, PErkins died. My point in this post was to reaffirm the continual suggestion by black people that we are worse in many things is a falsehood. Black people's voting turnout is no worse than any other group but black people plus non blacks make it a point to emphasize what we aren't doing even when non blacks are equally inactive.

I asked prior in this forum if the Black community is to harsh on itself based on the activities of other communities And tonight it was proven in the voting arena. Media in NYC continuously complained, why is such low turnout in NYC. But everyone knows the answer, it is the same reason why turnout is low across the board, why turnout in south africa went from 99% across the board to between 30% side 10% , why turnout in the USA's Black community went from over 90% of allowed, cause whites always did whatever it took to stop non violent blacks, whose non violence made it easier. Cause the government fails to return an investment on voting. The city council of NYC is impotent when the people need something or dysfunctional to the people's needs with their policy. You want people to vote, it isn't hard. get results. But all communities in NYC, ALL communities are not voting in high numbers. I repeat all communities. That isn't because of magic, or the when , it is simple, all people know that voting for these people isn't going to help their community or the city at large. Ocasio Cortez is a prime example. She won, yes, the white man in that bronx district voting base left the area, age denied their ability to vote, or they died. Communities demographics change in NYC, and always against a communities wishes. But, She hasn't done anything to improve the area. Some themes media has talked about is that people like Inez Dikens or Charles Barron have lost but are forgetting that unlike their rivals these are people who actually spent years advocating for rights on the ground before government. People like Kristin Richardson or Yusef Salaam or Ocasio Cortez have not been on the ground and not worked their way up into government. Based on current results, the new breed will be as impotent as the old breed without having a history of actual advocacy while making a lot more money in various ways. But the biggest takeaway is women. I don't know why or how, but from the female nypd chief to Kristin Richardson to the white woman of south brooklyn to Inez Dikens many women in general and particularly women not white european seem to be having a terrible time in NYC government. The answer must be the environment behind the scenes that the newspapers do not say. I will end with a few notes on Kristin Richardson. 1) Affordable housing in NYC requires a 50,000 earned income which most people in NYC do not afford so saying she opposes affordable housing is false when what is labeled affordable housing isn't affordable. 2) Union jobs aren't enough for the populace in Harlem. HArlem has circa 100.000 people. I repeat, one hundred thousand people, that is larger than most cities in the United States of America. Harlem has no space to build anything new. Harlem has no regional industry. So, union jobs will not employ the many in shelters or similar in Harlem. 3) She is a socialist, not a democrat, sequentially she stood alone in the city council. If you are not a donkey or an elephant, those two parties will restrict your abilities and they will look to criminalize you which was done to her. 4) Inez Dikens is right, women of color have it rough in NYC government. I don't comprehend all the why, but something is going on behind the scenes, cause way too women of color in general seem to lose in elections in NYC, and I don't buy the fair argument. Kristin Richardson Jordan drops re-election bid in crowded Harlem council race Embattled City Council Member Kristin Richardson Jordan is dropping her re-election bid in a crowded race for her Central Harlem seat, she announced in an Instagram post Tuesday morning. “Dear supporters and volunteers, thank you for seeing the true possibility for racial love in the loveless land of politics — it is not easy to do,” Richardson Jordan wrote. “Unfortunately, I’m writing this to inform you that I have decided not to seek re-election and not to commit to another two years.” “I look forward to finishing out this term,” she added. Richardson Jordan didn’t immediately respond to a call and message left by a reporter Tuesday morning. The Democratic socialist council member was first elected in 2020 by just 114 votes over former state Senator and Council Member Bill Perkins — who died Monday night. She was vying to keep her seat against a packed field in the June 27 Democratic primary that includes Assembly Members Inez Dickens (D-Manhattan) and Al Taylor (D-Manhattan) and Yusef Salaam, a member of the Exonerated Five — formerly known as the Central Park Five. All 51 council seats are up for grabs just two years after the last election, as opposed to the regular four-year council election cycle, because the body’s district maps were redrawn last year following the U.S. Census. Richardson Jordan appeared to draw such a large number of eager rivals after she vehemently opposed the One45 rezoning in Central Harlem, that would have brought 458 income-restricted “affordable apartments” — making up 50% of the project’s units, to an underused stretch of 145th Street. Following her opposition, the developer backed off of the project and decided to turn the site into a truck stop instead, though he filed to give the rezoning another go in February. Richardson Jordan’s stance on One45 coupled with several controversial Tweets she authored, including one where she appeared to justify the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and her anti-police stance have drawn ire from more moderate local Democrats and made her appear vulnerable to a primary challenge. United Brotherhood of Carpenters Executive Secretary-Treasurer Joseph Geiger said it was Richardson Jordan killed her re-election chances when she opposed the One45 development. The union endorsed Taylor’s campaign. “For once, Council Member Kristen Richardson Jordan is doing the right thing for her constituents,” Geiger said, in a statement. “While she quit before formally losing her reelection, the message it sends is still the same: you cannot win re-election in New York City if you are against union jobs and affordable housing.” Dickens, who formerly held the seat from 2006 to 2016, before running for the Assembly, voiced her support for all women of color in government and said Richardson Jordan did the “best she could” for the district. “I applaud the political participation of all women of color. I started my own political journey as a local organizer and worked my way up to the state legislature, and if there is one thing I have learned it is this: we need women of color in rooms where decisions about our lives are being made,” Dickens said. “I’d like to thank Kristin for her service as [a] council member. She did the best that she could for her community and that is all that anyone can ask of her.” Salaam, in a statement, also thanked Jordan for her “service and commitment to the Harlem community we call home.” “This race is about the future of Harlem and I am running because we need real change that lifts up our seniors, gives people opportunities, improves our schools, enhances public safety and creates affordable housing,” he said. In his own statement, Taylor acknowledged Richardson Jordan’s decision not to seek re-election must not have been easy. “I give my deep regards to the councilmember for what must have been a difficult and somber decision,” Taylor said. “We run for office because we have a passion and conviction for making things better for our neighbors and communities. I respect her decision and I wish her only the best in the next chapter of her life.” Progressive Democratic Strategist Camille Rivera, a partner at New Deal Strategies, told amNewYork that while she doesn’t know the exact reasons why Richardson Jordan dropped out, her decision changes the dynamics of the contest. Rivera also said it’s “sad” that another woman of color has decided not to run. “I think it becomes a race that is more open,” Rivera said. “I do think it’s sad to me, I mean this is another woman of color who has decided not to run. And despite whatever folks have said and not been supportive, she’s always done her best to be on the right side of things … I mean she is a progressive, she is somebody that people did trust, but sometimes the stuff just becomes too much.” URL https://www.amny.com/politics/kristin-richardson-jordan-drops-re-election-bid-in-crowded-harlem-council-race/

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