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@Troy thank you. @Pioneer1 the problem is a question of association: black emancipation from white enslavement side the potency of the usa. by your words you used the word we representing the populace of the usa in a topic about whether black people will be emancipated. Are these topics connected. You think they are. I quote you again The connection to the USA of or the value to the USA from the Black populace in it, or the condition of the black community in the usa in parallel to other black communities for many black people are not related to the emancipation of black people from whites. To your question Most black leaders are negative. But that happens. The problem is the association, for you positive leadership = leadership but it doesn't. And it connects to my point about individualism. Under individualism, one is only responsible to lead thyself, not lead others, which is a key point. Under individualism, those who are negative leaders from a communal view, are 100% acceptible ro positive, under indivdiualism

@Pioneer1 you say black conservatives used to be liberal but those terms liberal or conservative are based on the white community of the usa. I rather use the terms communal or individual. Many black people in the usa, most black people in the usa, when young are communalist. But the usa : populace/government/fiscal environment , are white not black, and it has always given, and will always give, black people a choice sooner or later. If you want to make money in the usa as a black person, being an individual is the way to go historically. Two types of individualsit in the black community in the usa. One who publicly displays it, like a Clarence Thomas or an Oprah Winfrey. Or one who masquerades as a communalist: most Black elected officials or Black CEOs or black entertainers. yes, a few elected officials/ceo's/entertainers who are black are communalists but they are very few. and I don't see that as a problem as communities under all governments become what they chose. At the end of the day, the black people who fought for the usa when it was being founded fought for individual power, not communal power. Any black person in the colonies who thought that the betterment of the black community was in the secession of such colonies from the british empire was a fool. But, said people functional goal was individual power. The ability of a black individual to do whatever they want to help oneself while not the community . was their goal and that has been achieved. @Troy exactly, the usa isn't about communities and the greatest problem is many people keep thinking the usa is about bettering communities when it truth, it betters none and I even include the white community in the usa. When you look at modern usa, the truth is, white individuals are thriving, not necessarily the white community en large. whereas in the past, in the usa, with the daughters of the american revolution side jim crow, for all the pain to the black community , it bettered the white community. @Delano great point @zeke1234 his opinion flat out says what I have said about individualism in this very website countless times. The question is why do black people in the usa dislike the communalist/individualist dichotomy in debate? We in general seem to not want to admit it. I wonder why?

Well @Troy the question in the usa market is who are the competitors to Metaverse: facebook<community pages+profiles+blog>/instagram<images>/threads<text message>? You mention their dominance, but the first question is who are the competitors. If someone is in the usa who else do they go to ? am*zon is a competitor, but they are mostly a closed ecosystem. If you use am*zon prime and am*zon kindle and am*zon shopping services, you are in your own ecosystem, not really social media based but with social media functionality. apple has long been a closed ecosystem in itself, social media functionality but really a separate space full of technologies. alphabet , like apple, like am*zon make physical goods. yes they have the google search engine and through google youtube, but youtube is such a specific space. thus why tiktok grew. long videos are fine but they are not as catchy as short videos. in the same way tweets was more catchy than blog posts. They have android but that is a tool, not really a social media aspect. microsoft, has the xbox with gaming and the operating system for larger electronic devices. SKype is again like youtube of alphabet, not really prone to social media effectively, it is more an open space than a cultivated space. and linkedin, which was meant for labor just isn't doing much in social media space. So... meta platforms is really the lone esocial space. Esocial elements are in most all big tech firms but meta alone has esocial as their mainline. Three of their domestic rivals really make devices that has esocial elements. And one, alphabet is focused on a strategy where esocial is lessened of value. The only rival i can truly think of for Meta is Tiktok of bytedance. but China stands alone of countries outside the usa that has kept control of its internet existence wholeheartedly and has reached outside of itself. Japan has its own internet, but japanese websites don't get extremely popular outside japan . @Pioneer1 it started with newspapers, and it can be argued before with history books.

@Troy I concur to your position. The question is: Who does more damage to the black community? The problem with such a question is the difficulty in assessing the damage over time from either party to the greater community. Pioneer1 has biases, as do we all, but to properly assess, the biases have to taken out and the process of determination, historically is quite a challenge @frankster comprehend one thing, the white jewish, white italian, white irish community in nyc today owes the white streetfolk for everything, the same white streetfolk who many times killed, acted illegally for profit, acted petty or violent or murdered in their own community. But said streetfolk were the key to those communities, or at least many people in their communities, betterments down the road. And the same to black streetfolk. Some black people today in harlem own buildings, have their busineses or other because of black streetfolk. I repeat, in the usa, fiscal capitalism only provides two ways to make large revenue absent inheritance or knowing someone. Illegal activity side entertainment. Everything else requires inheritance or knowing someone plain or simple.

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Someone somewhere suggested Clarence Thomas , a current < 2023> supreme court judge in the usa, is elitist. While I dislike Clarence Thomas I think that label is a mischarecterization. Elitism at its core is a matter of selection, in the same zone as eugenics or a caste system or the phenotypical order in the usa. But I don't see Thomas as someone that champions others based on selection. This is about merit, since he is a lawyer or judge of years he knows merit derives from a sense of gaining no matter the ways or means not the idea in modernity which is earn through acceptible or so called good ways or means. Thomas to me is clearly of the I got mine get yours mentality. He has no communal attachments. And to be blunt, though I dislike him, his philosophy has historical truth. When you look at most of the black community leaders in the usa most well thought of or known, they have one thing in common, fiscal impoverishment. When you look at most of the black fiscal aristocracy in the usa from the war between the states till now, they have one thing in common, individualism or they don't risk a penny for or give time to the black community. And this connects to one of the fundamental problems when black people talk about the usa or even its founding, ala July 4th. The problem is most people in the usa, any phenotype, tend to suggest the founding of the usa was the start of some grand communal experiment. But I argue that is a crude lie. Again, you can take any community in the usa, barring the native american since they are the only indigenous group, and it is easy to see that the populace of said community in the usa doesn't make their larger global community better. Do irish in the usa make ireland better? Do italians in the usa make italy better? Do jews in the usa make israel safer? Clearly blacks in the usa have a detrimental effect on black people outside the usa, ala mandela in south africa. Even beyond phenotype, do women in the usa make female groups better outside? I argue no. The USA is best for one thing or breeds one thing, individualism. Now if you want to grow as an individual the usa is positive,most positive, but if you want your community to grow, the usa is negative, most negative. Clarence Thomas is a prime example. The truth is, black people in leadership positions who say they are communal , ala a barack obama, have done no more or less than thomas in terms of the black community. The difference is Thomas doesn't lie about the truth, while an obama does. Tell the truth folks. No shame in the truth being a lot of negatives. Wishing or hoping the truth to not be what it is for a given place or populace or time is foolish. A shadowy club in California recently associated with Clarence Thomas is being sued for multiple labor violations. Here's what the secret retreat is known for. Former workers, known as valets, are suing an elite men's club for alleged labor violations. The lawsuit claims they were forced to work over 15 hours daily without breaks. The Bohemian Club has been associated with right-wing political figures, including Clarence Thomas. The Bohemian Club, an all-men's private society in California that counts former presidents among its members, faces a class action lawsuit from servers for alleged labor violations. The exclusive club occasionally pops up in the news, primarily for its association with elite and wealthy men. Most recently, a ProPublica report detailing Justice Clarence Thomas' relationship with Harlan Crow mentioned the club. Thomas, who went on luxurious vacations with the billionaire real estate magnate and GOP megadonor, accompanied him to Bohemian Grove — a hidden woodland retreat often associated with the club that hosts events like a 14-day summer camp. Former valets who used to work at Monastery Camp in Monte Rio, California, which they described as one of the "most prestigious and well-known camps at Bohemian Grove," filed the complaint on June 5. The valets, who attended to wealthy guests during summer camp, claim in the complaint that workers were required to work over 15 hours a day with no breaks or meal periods while only receiving pay for 8 hours a day. The suit alleges that club management "continually worked together to come up with methods to avoid paying payroll taxes and overtime." The suit names Bohemian Club treasurer William Dawson as someone who directly asked employees to "falsify payroll records." It also claims that valets were asked to hide when the owner of the payroll company Pomella LLC, also named as a defendant in the suit, came to inspect the Grove. The suit alleges that the payroll company was also aware of the falsified timesheets. The lawsuit also alleges that valets working at around 100 other camps plaintiffs say are associated with the club are run by captains that have engaged in similar labor violations. The lawsuit says that Bohemian Club may seek to distance itself from these camps during litigation, but asserts that these affiliate camps are a joint venture of the main club and that members pay the club to access these sites. The members are suing for up to $1.5 million in damages. In a statement to the Press Democrat, Sam Singer, a communications representative for the club, said that the club "has always valued and respected its employees, and that includes our commitment to full compliance with all applicable wage and hour laws and regulations." "We believe these three individuals know full well they did not work for the Club and that this lawsuit is a transparent attempt to drag the Club into their individual circumstances," Singer told the Press Democrat. "The Club will vigorously defend itself in this action, as it would in any other meritless lawsuit." The Bohemian Club, which has thousands of members and has been associated with Republican presidents like Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, and George HW Bush, has been hosting the summer camp for over 150 years and describes itself as a club of "gentlemen who are connected professionally with Literature, Art, Music, or the Drama." The club, full of elite men often tight-lipped about its members and events, has garnered the interest of conspiracy theorists, left-leaning protestors, and interested onlookers. Although there is still much to learn about the club, one ritual was uncovered by InfoWars host Alex Jones, who snuck into the Bohemian Grove summer camp to film a strange ritual that consisted of robed members burning a coffin effigy — named "Care" — in front of a 40-foot owl statue. 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@Pioneer1 now I comprehend. You call the people the community fails , dead weight, fair enough .

@zeke1234 very simple, most in humanity are reared to be liars or aid or abet in the maintenance or proliferation of lies. Lies often are the least violent of negativities until the truth comes forward, which usually yields the most unfortunate results or consequences of all negativities.

@Pioneer1 the black community in the usa never had a philosophy to concur on cause the goals of views of the various black groups are too variant. That is just the historical reality. My only suggestion is for those who think like you, who share your opinion, collate and do.

@Chevdove What you have to comprehend, and I hope you embrace the following idea well, most countries in modern humanity are filled with liars, the rich lie about where their wealth comes from, the poor lie about why they are denied wealth, the governments lie about the nature of their system, the governed lie about the reality of living under the system. The USA, rich or poor or government or general populace the governed , lie more than any one else in humanity, but has created an environment where most countries mirror the lying culture of the usa. France has always been anti non white or anti non european. But, a few rich in France, have some non white friends or non european friends and tout this egalitarianism. The government of France needed closest to enslaved labor but couldn't operate in the usa global system as in the past, so they had to invite poor people into france, the usa model. But they only wanted their cheap labor , in the same way the usa or england only wanted or wants cheap labor. But, the government of France was unable to say in the usa global system that they never planned on the cheap labor or any of their descendents to be anything in france but that, so France doesn't compute race in their statistics. A strong cover in a humanity whose media in nearly every corner of humanity, led by the USA of course, love statistics to prove or disprove, thus france can say, france is an aracial country cause no racial statistics exist. But the africans in france are liars as well. JAme sBAldwin in his book, I am not your negro flat out said, the algerian is the negro of france. I don't know how better to say it. Any african in France talking about being abused when you think about the relationship of senegal or algeria to france is a liar at the least or at the most a fool plus liar. The truth is a simple thing. It isn't desired by liars cause it invalidates their position. The government of france wants to say it is built to embrace all, when it isn't. The rich of france wants to say, they are open to profit for all when they don't. The poor of france wants to say they are a multiracial community when they are not. The poor of france in parts can't stand each other. The immigrants to france from outside europe, no matter the generation feel they should be accepted or embraced into france when they knew they were not and know they don't need to be. I have been to north africa, yes, their is poverty, alot of it, and the wealthy north africa has no interest in sharing wealth or supporting their impoverished neighbor. But, the immigrants to france from north africa can go home, home being where they came from. I know I have preached and I apologize. But, in this issue people are focusing away from the primary point. The lies eventually are undone by the truth. No shame in telling the truth even if it is a negativity. https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2369&type=status

@Pioneer1 that's your view, again, all I will say is, I don't concur to the principles of the following from your prose. Again, I don't want you or anyone else to change your views, but I am free to say you don't speak for me or my views are not analogous to yours or anyone else's To the following, I am certain all groups in humanity can grow or expand as well as lessen or diminish . Any human who thinks any group in humanity can't get better or worse at any time , is for me, a true fool. But I don't comprehend what you mean by dead weight, what are you talking about?

@Pioneer1 all i will say is I can't agree or I don't like or can't accept the following from you as analagous to my perception For me, and me alone, I ask no one to agree or change their opinion, but again for me I can't say how I describe said events fits how you describe it.

@Chevdove what do you think? history can not be changed while alternative histories can not be known. My position can not be proven nor can pioneer's position be proven absolute. The only thing that is certain is what happened. but how history is assessed explains ourselves and i think many black people in the usa show they are, safe pragmatist, in how they assess history. Taking every turn of history in the usa as a positive step on a path is best, not because it is fact, which is what the past is, not because it must be assessed positivlely, which is only opinion, but because it fits the strategy of seeing the choices the black community, in particular, DOS community has made as to the best interest of the black community. But I argue many events in usa or its european colonial history are not for the best for the black community or at least its majority and do not lead to wiser situations in the time after said events.

@Pioneer1 I study history , and in my assessment, notice I didn't say I was right or wrong ... in my assessment your following statement is assumption. What do I know ? I know that even though the british lost the war against the colonies, they did uphold their bargain to the majority of the free black people of the british colonies, said folk who fought against the whites of the colonies. If anyone else reads this notice what I said, they fought against the whites of the colonies. The USA has in it a blood feud that too many have tried to make unreal through media but clearly exists even today. But what does that have to do with your quote Pioneer. You suggest that if britain would had won, then no war between the states. But you forget in your assessment of history, if britain would had won based on their own actions in losing and in the war of 1812 which in my view was the true end to the USA as colonies of britain going forward. Britain was always going to allow Black people in the usa to have rights equal to the whites in the usa if britain won. I don't think britain would had ended slavery but they would had universalized slavery. Meaning what. I guess, no one can know so I am not saying I am right or wrong, that if britain won, the black soldiers would had to play a key role <<it is a joke of nature that black soldiers of the french empire coming from hispanola, that would be soon haiti fought for the colonies. If Haiti had been created, before the usa, said black soldiers don't fight for the french against the british but fightffor haiti alongside britain against france side the usa, only conjecture but it fits>> and based on what britian did in losing, which the usa didn't want. Britian would had given the black soldiers land and rights, equal to any whites in the colonies. why? Ths had nothing t do with europe. Britain only wanted money from the colonies. Britain would not had minded money as long as they are getting it. Sequentially, slavery wouldn't had ended but the phenotypical bounds of slavery in masters or enslaved I think would had ended. And that would had changed human history. To be blunt, chattel slavery still goes on in the usa even, through various cult groups , so slavery never ended , cause it can't, slavery is an element of human culture, forever, the question is, who is enslaved and who is enslaving. I argue the usa becomes like the roman empire , where being enslaved or being an enslaver was polyphenotypical, it had no bounds on appearance... any human could do both. Thanks for the historical question near july 4th

@Pioneer1 You made me think on labels. I realize now, and I hope I remember in the future, that the black community in the usa has two types of pragmatism, based on how I define pragmatism. Safe PRagmatism side Risky PRagmatism. Safe PRagmatism in the Black community in the usa while supported by whites has shown more results, ala the Black community in Tulsa, the modern Black 1% of rich, black elected officials in the usa, . But Risky Pragmastism in the black community in the usa while opposed by whites has produced results too. Garveyism did produce results. Black people left the usa, and started businesses. I do also think, as I have told many black militants or nationalists over the years, black militancy or black nationalism simply has no space to grow as a movement in the usa long term unless many things change in the usa, which can happen but I don't think will. To your questions involving the word we, well it is clear that many we's don't really exist

hmm @Pioneer1 I love your honesty to your stance, I am a communalist. I have always opposed a few from a group growing as acceptable. But I think your position is most efficient for the black community in the usa. @ProfD well, a few getting while most not is how white people did it in NYC. The White community in NYC was never some efficient group, but rich whites led and lead positively. I don't mind the black 1 percent in africa but their lack of leading positively is what I oppose.

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@Pioneer1ahh well I guess I was merely fortunate. well, the village will get better eventually

@Pioneer1 What is it about non violent personal accountability that hasn't convinced many black people to embrace it as you will like? While your first point I can not say i concur to completely, this point is massive, a functional truth. The DOSers used to have multiple dialects of english BUT DOSers themselves neglected it. Ala the words of langston hughes, black graduates from historical black colleges or white ones who littered the NAACP for example. The only language I can think of that black DOSers created in the past that remains alive is Black Sign Language. Am I wrong in your experience?

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September 13, 2022 https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2064&type=status I stated that the Black community was incorrect to itself concerning education. In this very same forum, how often have Black folk complained about a so called lack of education among our own. A demand for this and that in terms of goals in the education system in the USA which black people never controlled or administered in majority. And yes, it matters when someone not black is governing Black people. Said someone is a fellow human but that includes their human dislikes or desires that don't go alongside other humans. Recently I used simple proof that the black community has to stop chiding itself as impotent concerning the issue of voting when white people themselves assessing the whole landscape admit all communities are doing as the black community. Now the legal system of NYC that pushed charter schools into Harlem, supported by most black elected officials or black churches or the black business owning class, because black kids were touted as abysmal failures, which was and is a lie, has tiptoed and found every path possible to not treat a white tribe of orthodox white jews like the black tribe known as Descended of Enslaved. I heard black women, black elected officials criminalize black children as lazy, as disgruntled, as disrespecting their ancestors, while a horde of white children in the same city are being allowed to have an absent educational record. But what is the issue? it isn't the children. It is the parents. The white jewish parents gained power and then used power to raise their kids as they want, even going completely against the rules supposedly for all. While the Black parents are unwilling to admit their impotency and enslaved mindset to their children while demanding their children uphold the false idol of financial positive mobility in the united states of america, which the black parents know full well is a lie. Shame on the black parent. Shame on the black community. We all have supported or lived by at one point or another this idea that our future generations have to reach some goal, make the usa some thing. In NYC, while Black kids were being criminalized for not being 100% as individuals or as a collective in an educational assessment that wasn't the true problem of the black kids, white kids were protected and reared by their parents in the same city to be free of concern for the same system. Black parents shut up and gain power. Black business owners, shut up and take over other firms. The Black community in the usa goes on and on all the time about what the youth need to do. No the adults need to do whatever it takes to gain real power and that includes violence, or shut up and let the youth live as they will cause the whites in this country are using their power to make their children's lives as happy as can be while as free from any condemnation even when they can't read. City determines 18 yeshivas not meeting standards By Jillian Jorgensen New York City PUBLISHED 3:40 PM ET Jun. 30, 2023 The city has determined that four Orthodox yeshivas are failing to provide an education “substantially equivalent” to what’s offered in public schools — and recommends the state reach the same conclusion for another 14 yeshivas the city says are ultimately under state authority. The findings are the results of a long-stalled and politically thorny investigation that has stretched on since 2015. The city found that just seven schools they investigated met standards. That’s in addition to two it found were up to standards in 2019. What You Need To Know The city has determined that four Orthodox yeshivas are failing to provide an education “substantially equivalent” to what’s offered in public schools — and recommends the state reach the same conclusion for another 14 yeshivas the city says are ultimately under state authority The findings are the results of a long-stalled and politically thorny investigation that has stretched on since 2015. The city found that just seven schools they investigated met standards. That’s in addition to two it found were up to standards in 2019 The city says it could not make a final determination in the case of the 14 schools because of an amendment that gives the state education commissioner the power to make final determinations for schools that meet certain requirements The investigation was spurred by a complaint from a group called Young Advocates for a Fair Education, or YAFFED, headed at the time by a yeshiva graduate who argued his education left him ill-prepared for the world outside of religious studies The city says it could not make a final determination in the case of the 14 schools because of an amendment introduced in 2018 by state Sen. Simcha Felder, which gives the state education commissioner the power to make final determinations for schools that meet certain requirements, like having a bilingual program. For that reason, the ruling is not final for those 14 schools, and the recommendations will not be made public. State Education Commissioner Betty Rosa had ordered the city Department of Education to complete the inquiry — which, in 2019, the city Department of Investigation ruled had been delayed by former Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration for political purposes — by today. The investigation was spurred by a complaint from a group called Young Advocates for a Fair Education, or YAFFED, headed at the time by a yeshiva graduate who argued his education left him ill-prepared for the world outside of religious studies. YAFFED and other critics argue many so-called ultra-Orthodox yeshivas provide little to no secular instruction, particularly for boys, and instead focus on religious studies. Representatives of the schools have pushed back strenuously on those claims. The schools are private, but do receive some state funding and, like all private schools in New York, are required to provide children with an education “substantially equivalent” to what is offered in public schools. The investigation kicked off a debate of what exactly substantially equivalent means, prompting the state to develop rules for determining it. The rules, adopted in September, subject non-public schools to review by local school districts — in New York City, the DOE — to determine if they meet criteria like having a competent teacher provide instruction, offering classes in English, math, science and social studies, and that lessons are provided to children with limited English proficiency to help them learn English. The investigation, and the guidelines from the state, kicked off massive outcry from Orthodox groups, who have characterized them as an attack on religious liberty. In an interim report released in 2019, the DOE reported that just two of 28 yeshivas were meeting standards, and that some were not allowing the city access to conduct reviews. Critics have long argued the city dragged its feet in the investigation to avoid angering the Orthodox community, which is politically influential in the city. And in 2019, the Department of Investigation determined that the mayor’s office delayed the release of the preliminary report in exchange for support of the extension of mayoral control of city schools. In a statement provided to NY1 on Friday, the group Parents for Educational and Religious Liberty said the “outcomes of yeshiva education are on display every day across New York: in the successful business and professional careers of tens of hundreds of thousands yeshiva graduates and in the law abiding and loving families they are raising here.” "PEARLS rejects the attempt to measure the efficacy of yeshiva education by applying a skewed set of technical requirements,” the group said. “Utilizing a government checklist devised and enforced by lawyers may help explain the state of public education. It is designed to obscure rather than illuminate the beauty and success of yeshiva education.” “Parents choose yeshiva education for their children because of the religious, moral and educational philosophy and approach of those who lead yeshivas,” it added. “They will continue to do so, regardless of how many government lawyers try to insist that yeshiva education is best measured by checklists they devise rather than the lives yeshiva graduates lead." URL https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2023/06/30/new-york-city-yeshiva-investigation-findings So besides suggesting falsely that Black children are failing, what do you have to say?