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@Troy thank you , but it doesn't have to be everybody , at least two people have to be black that are involved, and danielle's books don't seem to be collaborative. I see one person doing everything

@Cynique I realize now when I said the black community in harlem was unique that suggested to some I said it was the only, i apologize, I wasn't suggesting harlem had the only black community at that time of such a character. My point in rephrase is most black communities at that time were not reflected fashion wise in the the black communities similar to harlem's. alain locke and side many other black leaders supported the term so... you dismiss the term today as hughes in the past, i support the term today as locke in the past. I still call on that term being used instead of renaissance... to what you state hughes referred to... this is now into the realm of philosophy... my stance is the following, asking none to concur to me, but suggesting any do... The concept of the new negro wasn't about the negro literati alone, it is about the negro community. In harlem a place exsts that was once properly called striver's row,<half the people there are white now so it is inappropriate but still named> because the black people there strived for better and helped each other. The word renaissance meaning rebirth was falsely applied to harlem and the historical context to the italian renaissance is strategically different. the roman empire no longer existed and the italy at its founding grew in arts/banking/militaristic power, thus a rebirth or renaissance, but harlem was a white community of wealth before the harlem of hughes and was before that a white farming community and before that a native american community. So, harlem at the time of hughes was in no way similar to a time prior, thus it couldn't be a renaissance. While the new negro term reflecting an empowerment of the black community in all ways was the larger goal of the black community of harlem. It sadly took longer than many wanted, but the time of adam clayton powell jr brought black elected representation for harlem/black labor even in white owned businesses in harlem <as most businesses in harlem were white and didn't employ blacks during hughes time > alongside another edition of the black artists movement with the bebop era upon us. So, use the term you want cynique. All I asked was for new negro to be used, I didn't say anyone had to. please quote your answer to the following question, cause I want to make sure : what if a person or group of people don't accept the one drop rule, or invert the one drop rule?

@Cynique the director of passing is black... what if a person or group of people don't accept the one drop rule, or invert the one drop rule? I know of nella larson's work. I think we black people need to use the term new negro movement. white people pushed the harlem renaissance label. The film in question , in terms of fashion, reflected the dresscode of a certain community in the black community of the usa. The black community in harlem at that time was very unique among black communities in the usa. the small black towns in the south where most black people lived did not have jewish apollo theaters. @ProfD the book itself is straight forward. LArson was clearly intentional in the book, with her purposes and the film, whose director went through a personal background epiphany, was equally intentional. From a story telling perspective, the film and the book that inspired it had main creators who were totally committed to the messaging in the story, that helps

@Troy The only person I see listed as having a role in the book you shared is clarence coggins/ I will give an example from aalbc Daddy Speaks Love by Leah Henderson (aalbc.com) the book was written by leah anderson while illustrated by e.b. lewis, I don't know if both are black , but if black that is an example to what I mean. I asked what have you <meaning any> created with other black people. I know most artists create work alone, I know personally. but what work has people created together.

@Stefan thank you for the clarification, is the word images adequate for both?

IF this community has so many black creators of things commonly called books, then we need to develop series for this community in various platforms, i give detail in the following link

I don't know, each black individual or community has a different financial or cultural connection to any war. Black people who live in ukraine , if war starts, will have some serious choices to make. In all earnest, black people ... or nonblacks who live in ukraine if they can take a small holiday away, need to for a little while. Black people throughout humanity vary in financial potency/cultural definition/labor... all of these things are factors.

What are the three most important factors to turn a book into a film? And name three books written by black people that you will choose based on those factors? My thoughts on the topic of important factors to books https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1794&type=status

@daniellegfny I have ignorance as all do, but it isn't a lack of social conditions. You know very well black people, like michaeux, made films before gone with the wind. In the same way I will take 100 of the sweetbacks or superfly's over gone with the wind, I will take 100 within our gates, or blood of jesus over gone with the wind. Whatever perceived insults any may have to any of the movies mentioned is not my point. My point was, I will take opportunities for more black artists over fewer. And the examples I gave were before or after gone with the wind.

thank you @Delano cosidering how many black people love video games, we need to have more

Inspired into the forum by @ProfD the purpose of educational institutions in the english colonies to 2022 in the usa. You have three avenues. White european Indigenous Black White european mass education < meaning schools> was originally for religious teaching. Apprenticeship , was the primary tool for education in the crafts or philosophical arts. The first colleges in the usa had one function, that they all still maintain today, a place where rich white male children can come together and make alliances for the future. ... now going through time, white women gained colleges but they were designed to prepare for wifedom, not working or owning anything. Classes on homelife dominated those schools originally. ... later on whites like woodrow wilson gave the college of new jersey their first academic requirements, which was viewed as radical at that time. That time being the late 1800s early 1900s so.then after world war two, the statian empire through the leadership of FD Roosevelt, made the gi bill so all the male soldiers just finished killing for the empire, were preoccupied with school and financial stipends, not poverty and thoughts of money making through arms. That led to the modern idea of the education system being about self improvement and a way to create a peaceful or positive multiracial society. Indigenous mass education was originally, absent any native american or indigenous input , meant to eliminate the culture of the native american in the remaining survivors of the native american community. As one navajo poet said, most native american poets don't write in their native tongue, which their traditional culture will allow but , they don't know their traditional culture, and the reason is the schools whites owned , controlled, used to do said purpose. Now in the 1950s, note the time between the first white invading immigrants and the 1950s, native american communities rallied against these institutions, with varying levels of success. I think the last of those schools existed in the 1990s. But, Native americans today, absent money, absent power, absent knowledge are trying to relearn their own culture. A very hard thing to do when everything is against your community. Cause the damage in the past wasn't little. Black mass or individual education was banned legally or culturally within the usa or the european colonies that preceded it holistically, until the end of the war between the states. Now the Historical Black Colleges and Universities, most of whom were financed by white religious organizations , had two purposes. Religious indoctrination plus craft teaching. The three key leaders to HBCU's in my view is frederick douglass/booker t washington/web dubois. Each black male had four things in common : each was black, male, had positive relations on a personal level with financially wealthy whites, had a strong belief in the ability of education to empower. To the issue here that last point is massive. The HBCU's eventually taught more than physical crafts and started teaching law or chemistry. But, the black leadership of the day, those three men I spoke of, had an idea that black people absent ownership could educate our way into some positive situation. Over time,the white religious groups stopped funding the schools and many fell. But those who survived have within each of them a similar community of black students, like the white students that originally inhabited in majority and still inhabt in minority, the ivy league schools. A black one percent. Now what does this have to do with HBCU's getting more membership, or the role of affirmative action in the educational system? The problem is the initial role of educational systems, and how they haven't functionally changed from their original premise. I am from NYC, Harlem in particular, I know COlombia University very well. I can tell you with certainty that most whites know colombia is a place to connect to the money. Yeah, they want to learn or study. But, the role of colleges is to connect to the money. Native americans exist in NY state, the cloest tribe is on the tip of long island, a place called montauk. But it isn't like their language or culture is taught in schools. And I will not speak for any of you... but, I persoanlly know a ton of black matriculated people older than me, my generation, younger than me. Civil engineers/chemical engineers/electrical engineers/physicists/mathemeticians yes... and not just recent immegres from jamaica or nigeria, yes, DOSers, that is right , people descended from black people enslaved in the usa. As a teenager, I knew of black kids in bronx science/brooklyn tech/styvesant, as well as in brandeis... educationally, I don't see anything wrong with the black community. But, the issue isn't education. It isn't even entry. Like myself most black people in NYC didn't get affirmative action to go to school. The issue is the role of the educational system to opportunity. The historical black colleges were not for collections of fiscally wealthy blacks cause too few , I realize when I use absolute words in this forum somebody has to comment I am wrong for being absolute in my words, fiscally wealthy blacks existed. Now today a fiscal black elite exists but they haven't done their part. Before I go into their part, my closing point on education education systems in the usa is, they are not for education. They either serve as gated communities for fiscally wealthy children to keep the money tight/are cultural weapons to annihilate or diminish non white or non white european culture/ or they are for religious cultural teachings that don't respect the fiscal capitalistic reality of the usa. And that is ownership is key, not labor. IF you own, you are the slavemaster. Everybody else is either a slave/overseer/crafts person but everybody else works for you, and at your behest, not cause any from everybody else merits it. It is cause you the owner want them. Now, to the black fiscal elite. I don't know how many black people were paid to go to school by a relative who was a financially successful singers/thespians/athlete... but I am 99% certain that said relatives didn't send 90% of their kin to HBCUs. So, before the fiscally poor black children are asked to go to HBCU's 99% of the fiscally wealthy or attached to fiscally wealthy black children need to go to HBCU's first. And that also provides that investment that is badly needed.

ahh great @ProfD ok , i comprehend:) good

@Troy I Will share... in defense, many entertainers, all phenotypes or demographcs suffer from various forms of addictions. White basketball players plus white singers have suffered and do suffer from addictions. Inspirational story for those who need it but... it isn't a black problem.

@nelsmaybe, I don't think affirmative action's role in black enrollment in colleges is as grand as some think. I know most black people in nyc, and I think most black people,male/female/DOSer/immgrant/teenage/20s/30s/40s/50s, outside NYC go to college absent affirmative action having an influence, and they matriculate and leave and live . For some institutions, especially the ivy leagues it may shift black enrollment, but so what, the usa is full of colleges. If learning is what you want to do , you don't need an ivy league school. Ray BRadbury is a white man, he couldn't afford to go to school, many people today still can't afford it, he went to the library. You know some of his work. LAngston hughes was a college graduate when bradbury was a baby. So... I don't know what more to say. Black kids like all children study. Some have great grades, some don't. this is all children. I don't know what your point about study quality is. I know children in NYC who are white asian or white european or white latino and are terrible students. Some didn't go to college. Some did. @ProfD great comment, I reply to you at the following url https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1793&type=status

One thing is clear, Black people need to create more with other black people, I doubt anyone can speak against that point. @ProfD any links? do you have a band or you only do solo work? solo work isn't collaborative. @Stefan I know many artists disagree, but I am certain a photo is a collaborative work between photographer side model. thank you. At the moment, you are the only one who has presented collaborative work. one question @daniellegfny i looked at your webtoon, you don't cite others. You made these works all by yourself? you don't cite anyone else but you? Intro Part 1 Auntie I Don't Want You To Get Married - 1 | Danielle The Girl From New York: Childhood (webtoons.com) I went to this page, i see you have an author pseudonym, but I don't see anyone else's name for coverartists or writer so, you did this all yourself? 6 Magic Cans of Happiness 2: Danielle the Girl From NY (Danielle The Girl From New York Book 3) - Kindle edition by COGGINS, CLARENCE. Children Kindle eBooks @ am*zon.com. If you did these works yourself, I am happy for you, I wish the works well, but I asked for collaborative work side other black people.

@daniellegfny As a black artist I Will take 100 superfly's or sweetback's over 100 gone with the winds. cause even if a black thespian gets an oscar for 100 films in a row, I rather the black producers/black directors/ black writers/higher quantity of black thespians opportunity for 100 films in a row @Chevdove @ProfD no problem at all, I asked a simple straightforward question, it shouldn't require that much debate , please go on

@daniellegfny you quoted @Delano but asked me? why? I concur to no banning, but from my position as an artist. But, negativities from all art exists, is your argument that the art of superfly or sweetback which has more black artists in its influence has more negativity than the art of gone with the wind? @ProfD great point, OWnership is the key, the usa financially is based on ownership, not labor, @Troy great point, never assume, but alot of white artis make quality work, so even if black financial dominance in entertainment will yeild more commercialty, it will also yield more quality work as well

@nels everyone can answer the question, it has one of two possible answers. Nothing or at least one thing. @daniellegfnyprovide uniform resource locators

@Stefan I concur, i am neutral to the law, but it is clearly media worthy for driving the frictions

@Stefan yes I know, I told some commentors already that the law only applies to voting in nyc, so it isn't a state level or federal level right in any way. and it demands non sentencing. I tried to explain all of that in the original post but I failed

Weeksville asks from the depths of history to every black person, what have you created with other black people most recently? Use the link to read the article or my thoughts https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1792&type=status

All for the month of January SHawn Alleyen, a black artists is doing an erotic series, enjoy links to prior days are in each post so click and ride the train:) https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1788&type=status

Art from GDBEE a black artist I have followed for a long time, enjoy https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1789&type=status

@daniellegfnyfair enough, to your first/second/third points ... I must say I don't concur or support all of what you say, but fair enough To your 4th point, the usa is an empire, it has been meddling negatively in the affairs of other countries before it had the most potent military among human governments. Sequentially, most people outside the usa, I don't see as liking the usa. I have travelled outside the american continent. I find most people want the money the usa has or openly dislike the place. It isn't a liking. My point is, your correct, they don't comprehend the usa, but I want to go further, they don't want to comprehend the usa, because they don't like the usa. The usa for many of these people is the enemy. An enemy they have to live with in the same way, the colonies of england/france/spain/holland in africa or asia had to live with england/france/spain/holland. An enemy that earned the title of enemy. And that concept extends to the black populaces in the american continent < canada to argentina> . You know the history. Most black people know the history. Our forebears, were immigrants, but they were not willing immigrants. Our forebears were dragged to this place by whites. That is the source of the difficulty you wrote of. An difficulty well earned. Many black people have come to positive terms with the usa/brasil, but I think most black people know our forebears were forced here when the usa was colonies of britian, when brazil was a colony of portugal, and were still being forced when the usa was free from britian or brasil was free from portugal. And as you said, for you and many black people like you, the usa's continual journey toward what you call peace or prosperity is embraced with love, caring, community. But, my point is, many black people are opposed to that and the anger or hatred that is well earned to the usa is a real thing, and I can accept black people who do either or.