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@ProfD in terms of area on the map by states, the usa is more red, but in terms of population density mappings the usa is more blue, so it is an even thing. ah then that wasn't what the black people referred to. Maybe the black people you around talk about the constitution alot but not around here at any age
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@ProfD It would be effective in getting someone elected, 100% , but it would not be effective in demanding anything once their elected. That is the issue. Remember, George Washington, white man, first president, owner of blacks, a majority of whites, poor or rich, wanted him to be king. He could had, but he chose to term limit himself. he did that, it wasn't the voting blocks desire, and that sets the tone in the usa ever after, once elected you are free to do what you want. Which means you are free to listen to others, you are free to work for the voting base that got you elected.... but, you are also free to listen to no one, you are also free to work against the voting base that got you elected COUGH BLACK ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES even point, I made myself an ass Yes, in the course of things he did BUT the base wasn't those things. That is my point. Schrumpt didn't start with those things. He used Rush Limbaughs podcast/radio method. LEt the audience tell you want to rant. Schrumpft started with only two things: everyone in government is a liar, and I will shake things up. Then ,as the supporters showed thier old great granfathers confederacy flag he added, white nationalism, as they got on twitter about speaking spanish, got to rid of the immigrants, and defunding the government had many supporters in various fields of his early supports. He is resounding, and I am not suggesting he didn't make promises, but that wasn't how he started this thing I Argue Schrumpft is mimicking, even in hand gestures, william shatner from the intruder. The difference is, schrumpft, has modern telecommunications as well as a legacy of failure from the elephants or donkeys to make it easier. In the 1950s 1960s many whites in rural areas still believed the elected officials would do for them, but by 2025, many of those same whites don't feel the people in government have done for them or their parents or grandparents. Which is hnest. WHite people in the countryside have been begging for a return to the farms, a strengthening of manufacturing before either of us was born, did it happen? Now I comprehend all the stated reasons but again, that doesn't deny it didn't happen but was continually promised. SO this meant while shatner's character falls, Schrumpts had and has it very easy. but like shatner all he is doing is resounding. That is the key to the strategy from getting elected to podcast, just resonate the anger of the people absent doing anything about it or having any sort of plan or solution. the rest does itself. the peoples anger only grows and other people who refute the anger, don't have solutions but create a cyclical banter complaining about other complaining. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intruder_(1962_film) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hudN_0yQ7dg your not comprehending my point. Your correct, The USA is way bigger than NYC, your correct... but the USA is way bigger than MAGA too. Schrumpft isn't making the usa hyper white nationalist, hyper white nationalist merely exist in the usa, it isn't the same thing. And what does this culminate tooo,... regionalisty. My point for mentioning NYC is regionality, not some sort of centrism. The USA has many regions, a country of three hundred million plus people has many regions. MAGA isn't strong or noticeable everywhere, maybe where you are, even enough, but not everywhere. by semantics are you suggesting an implication not verbally stated by many black people older than you are I? well... I am not trying to change your mind to anything, I admit that again cause I see in our dialogs I border on prosyletization. But I can't suggest what people don't say. I have never been a fan of the suggestion of overuse of coded language. And maybe I don't comprehend what you mean by birth rights, but for me, it is just rights. I also know that white jews are a very tiny populace of the white populace in the usa, I also know that all the tiny populaces in the usa's various demographics are more financially successful than the largers. white jews are more financially successful than the white italisn or white germans/poor white trash or white irish. But white jews are also far smaller. I know that black ethiopians are more financially successful than black DOSers but again, far smaller populace. I know that white japanese are more financially successful than white chinese, but again, far smaller populace. all larger populaces in any demographic in the usa are financially negative compared to a smaller populace in that same demographic. White people have already pulled the rug for paying for white labor, that is how schrumpft won... you keep suggesting a secret alliance among whites that doesn't exist in modernity. The reason being is the unity of the past among whites relied on blocking access to wealth. But BLack DOSers while sacrificing alot of our communities or lives or goals or dreams using nonviolence to integrate to whites, with the help of the soviet union calling the usa out and gaining international traction, successfully got whites in the usa to share wealth and once that happened, white power as it was had problems. which has led to today. White people in all white towns all over the usa have only known white power and fear integration with the nonwhite, fear sharing of wealth with the nonwhite, fear fiscal competition with the non white all because they comprehend correclty, that all of said fears will lead to greater chances of fiscal poverty. Black people, especially DOSers are used to fiscal poverty ala from its ultimate form being enslaved, we don't get scared at the same rates being fiscally poor like whites. Schrumpft uses this. And that is how the pro anti jewish battle in the white populace in the usa has grown. The judeochristian union started in the 1960s based on the idea of a pan white identity in the usa, which suit, white women/white latinos like blanco puerto ricans/white asians like han chinese who all used the 1960s to grow their wealth in the white mold BUT, it also meant non white financial growth and then the corporations , many with wealthy white jews in administration started moving jobs outside the usa, and the rest is history.
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@umbrarchist The united states had home economics + shop in many schools but the federal and state governments cut the funding... and neither are coming back. "Everyone needs to understand how to play for themselves" another form of individualsm is always an answer. I prefer collective or communal actions. But, in the usa, individualism is probably going to have better legs with the populaces makup
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@ProfD Voting blocks have never demanded anything in the usa, that is a myth/lie. Voting blocks rarely exist as well ,the use of voting blocks as some grand strategy is a myth/lie. Now if I am wrong give me an example in usa history? because of your choice of words or usage of voting as an action I remember exactly what schrumpft did to build his following and none of it was specific promises or claiming to make the usa hyper white nationalist. His built his movement by blindsiding the party of abraham lincoln POAL, and in the primary did two things: 1) called everyone else in government , POAL or party of andrew jackson POAJ a liar, which is a functional truth. for decades both POAL+ POAJ members from federal to city council lie, he called them all out. They both do nothing and blame the complexities of government or each other which is a lie, government is not complex and the two parties as many have said did have a symbiotic relationship pre schrumpft. 2) he said he would shake things up. He never promised anything specific and when he faced hillary clinton he continued the same strategy against the POAL field in the POAL primary. He called her a liar based on her record or the record of the POAJ and said the same old same old, will lead to the same place, which is historically true in the past sixty years in the usa from the time of schrumpfts first election. I don't think schrumpft has ever done anything to make the USA hyper white nationalist. I Live in NYC it isn't hyper white nationalist. It is a city poorly run, which has a city council mostly made of women i think ... and soon to have another first time category of mayor in mamdani. When he campaigned against harris, it was the same thing, harris is incompetent and do you want to go back to the old stuff , and he won handily. But remember was it Schrumpft who led the harlem empowerment zone that didn't empower at all the majoirty populace in harlem at that time, black people? no it was the clintons /charlie rangel/inez dickens/and a bunch of other black elected officials to harlem. Was it schrumpft who was the attorney general of california and aided in putting black men in prison with negative uneven policies, no it was kamala harris. Was it schrumpts who used trillions of dollars for making computer chips in new york state as the center of a plan to supposedly help all of the usa, no it was biden. Was it schrumpt who forgave the entire begging banking industry included goldman sachs whose supposed to be such a brainiac financial firm with an welfare check absent demands? no that was Bush jr +Obama. Well in the schrumpf era, what I have noticed isn't people benefitting staying in government it is people leaving, between the POAL+ POAJ I argue the exodus from people representing both parties is the only constant. The hawks+ fiscal conservatives+ religious folk+ libertarians+reform party in the POAL are gone, they have been replaced by schumpfts folk. while the representatives of the POAJ in the bureaurcracy have made e huge exodus from USAID to the CDC to many other places where the POAJ has expanded the bureaucracy with their people. I am fortunate enough to have talked to various black people in the community older than me, who were actually there, they never said what you said. I have never heard any of them speak of birth rights. many of them are dead, but none spoke of birth rights. They spoke of rights. The language they used suggest to me it was less an statian/american thing than a human thing. yeah I do, i also know that no populace in the usa, including the white jew has ever pooled their money like that, so I ponder why the black populace in the usa should be the first?
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@ProfD in the usa the voters, black nonblack or other, have never demanded anything. the system doesn't allow for voters to demand anything. The parliamentary system allows voters to demand, because the vote isn't the be all end all. In a parliamentary system, majorities are made by various voting blocks through parties of governance, and the second something goes against a voting block, they leave the majority, and if large enough, that will force a revoting. The USA system is built on faith, not demand. The voters are placing someone based on faith in the usa. thus why so few across the board in the usa vote. which elected officials in the usa warrants faith in their actions? oddly enough, the schrumpt people will say schrumpt and I argue, letting honesty overcome my negative bias to him, the argument can be made. Obama + Biden both as presidents arguably had more willing to put faith in them but didn't reward anyone's faith , thus schrumpft came after both. Locally, this is the problem with NYC. It has had from Koch to MAmdani, eight terms of elephant mayors , four terms of donkey mayors. Elephant mayors focus on specific groups, catering to the wealthy harder. Donkeys try to cater to the larger masses. But the problem is, providing for the larger masses is hard. NYC has been mismanaged for a very long time, so the damage is not little and doing for all is... not a little task, thus every single donkey mayor when they leave office is under a sorrow, why? cause the people who voted for them are never satisfied, cause the faith is never rewarded. the elephant mayors, focus on the rich , upper and lower rich, who are all colors/genders/religions/et cetera in nyc . the masses know this and absent alternative, don't vote. None of the above, it is a real thing. I can tell you value voting very highly, but the system in the usa isn't built for voting to have value and the proof is in recent history as much as the past. from sea to shining sea. The reason Schrumpt took over the republican party wasn't because of black people. it was white elected officials failings. And while money does aid elected officials getting elected, look at all the nepotisms in the usa government today. Many of these people come from money, the issue is their quality as people. They aren't really in government to government, they are in it, because it is one of the best labor markets in the usa today. Far safer than fiscal firms. You can be a senator for life, and all you have to do, is talk and play the media game well every four years. That is the usa system. I Don't know what country you seem to think the usa is. the marches in the 1960s wasn't from the act of voting, that was called advocacy , that isnt' the same thing. How can you vote your interest when your interest can't be guaranteed in the usa system through voting? And yes, fiscal operators strong enough influence, but that is a very expensive game. The two major parties work in the billions.
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@ProfD your words suggest, financial failure only comes from a lack of knowledge... it is called gambling for a reason Profd. Yes, history should teach all human beings many things... does it? Again, the Black populace in the usa today, isn't wallowing in the past, the black populace in the usa in 2025 has all positive financial markers, now, they may not be to the extent you want, but that isn't wallowing. And I repeat, considering you comprehend the past of black people in the usa, I am willing to fully comprehend a minority populace that had to fight Very ^INF hard to get to integration nonviolently, not being some gungho now. Black people are doing it, but if your expecting some sort of grand communal collective financial march, it will not come nor in my mind should it come from the ground up. the USA hasn't even remotely warranted that. And black people have lived far worse, so patience is something which I argue we have more than anybody barring the First peoples/native american and patience is a virtue. PRofd , if you are others in a great rush, well get busy leading by example.
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Two big financial issues have come to my realization. 1) Some Black people want the current financial growth in the black populace in the usa to move faster than warranted. 2) Too many Black people can't simply say the USA is a failed financial state. YEs , most powerful military in the world, welfare lifelining every single failed white owned industry in the usa. But, when any fiscal environment under a flag is as terrible as the usa, that doesn't show signs of an environment worth doing business. And I want to add, the condition of NYC + Los Angeles I should had added. Los Angeles was built on the film industry. All those props , set designers, Los ANgeles was built on the film industry, barely any films are made in los angeles, where is the mayor of los angeles? this is the second largest city in the usa and it let its biggest industry disappear? how is that good business? NYC had every industry you can name in its bounds, now it is a real estate den, trying to figure out how to turn a failed real estate system into collective wealth. Detroit with cars, how can I forget. The USA's big cities, have all gone to ruin, all led by whites all led by MIT/HArvard /Yale people. What does matriculation have to do with it? Black people in the usa for some reason, keep suggesting the usa is a positive place for businesses and if you are honest, it isn't. The following is the complete comment @KENNETH Well I have said in this forum already, in 2025 Black people in the usa have more business ownership or collective wealth than in the USA in times past. Using the Black History Book, through enslavement from 1492 to 1865 through jim crow from 1865 to 1980 Black people were financially stymied in overhwhelming majority by whites, this is a financial fact. So from 1980 to 2025 Black people after fighting through white terrorism/oppression to have unprecedented opportunity in majority, has led to an ever increasing rise in black business ownership or personal wealth from 1980 to today and growing. So from my view, what your talking about is acceleration. You want Black people in 2025 to be inspired as in times past as a collective. We taught ourselves to read in the late 1800s on will alone. We marched and rallied for legal changes that would influence how the usa works with may black people being murdered in the 1960s. Shirley CHisholm said black folks in the usa need a financial focus today. But where is the inspiration to come from. From 1980 to 2025 Black ownership had moments to lead greatly financially and they all fell. Black Entertainment Television was black owned, the majority owner who was black sold the company from under the other black owners, that undercut black owned media outlets ever since. Johnson could had reached for a consortium of black people to own BET, provided corporate rules. But he didn't. HE just sold it to whites who themselves are looking to sell their company to a holding firm this very year. The man who owned BET and sold it started the CHarlotte Bobcats. Sold it to Black man, Michael Jordan, who then sold it to white people. Black people say why we don't own sports team all the time. We owned one and it was sold to whites. Jordan couldn't find a set of black owners to buy the team? As I Said in this forum, the million man march could had been used to make a political march into a financial agency. Over a million black men marched on washington for guidance to the black community in the usa. the black people who led that march didn't provide anything. whose fault is that? they could had made a website and gave each man who was willing to give one dollar a ticket/card and said, when you go back home, use this card to access the website and vote on how we want to use a million dollars, and every year with one dollar, each million man wil lbe part of a financing to something n the black community in the usa. But, the million man march doesn't even have a website . In the harlem I live when the HArlem EMpowerment Zone which was advertised as financially beneficial to HArlem which at that time was still majority black, only one blac owned business in harlem received funding and that was cause that business knew someone. HArlem at that had an all black elected representative body fromc ity council to state assembly to stt senate to house of represnentatives. All f those blac elected officials couldn't demand black owned busineses have a greater cut, with the clintons as the supposed spearheaders of the money? George bush jr started the national african american museum, but Obama was president through most of its administration. Why couldn't obama open up the management of that museums' creation to more black people, with varying views and beliefs. The national african american musuem was made with a black 1% in control, the black 1% have never viewed the back populace in the usa properly in my view. They have always viewed the black 99% as erroneous/lazy/wrong and that matters in the narrative fo black history which that museum displays. What is my point? from 1980 to 2025 Black leaders in the usa had moments to guide to inpsire black people to work with each other for positive goals but usually they end up teaching the lesson of individualism. And so.... from BET to the NAtional African American Museum the lesson isn't black people in the usa need to work together in the age of integration, the lesson taught is black individuals in the usa in the age of integreation earn the right to do as they see fit regardless to the black community or blakc collectives betterment in the usa. And so how can you expect black people living in a black town in mississippi without water, near poisonous landfills to have this great black on black financial belief when black people who are millionaires and billionaires are selling to non blacks or not doing anything to the village's betterment? Yeah steward and smith , steward a savvy businessman in the right place at the right time started as reseller of technology, rode the dot com wave , which busted. Smith a chemist fortunate to have some patents and invests in software firms at the right time, has grown as all software investment firms have. Congrats to both, both hire and employ black people. Well done to both. But, I also provided examples of others who sold their firms. In conclusion, I already stated black business in the usa is growing, this is financial fact. But you are looking for acceleration and you have to really look at the field fo black wealthy people who aren't leading the way to such an explosion and it is financially irresponsible to suggest black people who have only been able to be part of the usa's financial environment since the 1980s to erase the lag from 1492 to 1980 caused by whites. thus the financial growth will be slow until some black billionaire or elected official leads much better, offering guidance that can convince black people to take huge risks. I happen to know about this. Adam Clayton Powell jr had lost connection with the rising set of younger black elected officials. It wasn't the people clamoring for rangel , Rangel hadn't did anything to warrant all of that. But rangel /dinkins/patterson whose son is blind and the guy that recently passed away who was in the ny senates, three of them from harlem without question, I dont think patterson was but I am uncertain. had formed a little union who would run harlem and black politics in nyc for decades, that is what happened. Powell jr alienated himself from the new generations and they ousted him. One thing black people have to do is stop telling false histories. I know I may sound like I am attacking you but I am not. I can't stand when anyone tells false history. I comprehend that many, I don't think most, black people in the usa view voting as a symbol of freedom. Black people like yourself of Profd or Pioneer I think view voting as the will of the people. But, the black people of harlem didn't vote to have the nypd as the drug kingpins of harlem in the 1970s they didn't vote to have the nyc/nys/us government defund everything it could in harlem in the 1970s? Under rangel, who represented all of harlem all that happened? so... Black people didn't vote for change. The black elected official community in NYC had a coup over powell and others led by four black men and they succeeded in their coup. I think blacks have been persisitent since 1492 in this country. I don't think persistence is the issue in our dialog or failure to try new things. I think the issue is scale. You like others seem to want a grandiose scale that I don't think is even remotely warranted. @umbrarchist the truth is , the USA military is the real value fo the usa economy, it is that plain and simple. The numbers all prove me right. From 1980 to 2025 what iindustry didn't have a total collapse in the usa? can you name any? Real estate industry had three collapses. Automotive industry had two collapses. Military contractors, arms makers, had a collapse. Airplane firms had three collapses in a history of collapses going back to pan am in the 1960s 1970s. Banks had three collapses the biggest was a complete failure that even the banks couldn't algorithm their way out of. Dot com websites collapse, before the bust steward made his fortune before the bust. The collapse of various pension funds from workers who had put money into those funds, which became totally lost. The collapse of various womens soccer league teams. The collapse of various hashtag currencies, like bitcoin. The collapse of various financial trading environments at least three major ones: enron/madoff [madoff was a scapegoat] are two What is my point? Black people in the usa keep talking about finance like the USA is some sort of successful place. The USA in my opinion, in the black history age of integration in the usa from 1980 to 2025 has been a complete financial failure that has only been kept alive because of a militaristic quality no one else has, and I can give examples in 1980 to 2025 from other white government to prove my point. When the whites who run hong kong, the eurasian billionaires, mishandled the economy of Hong Kong, they couldn't just pump money back into it. What happened is simple. At one time, Hong Kong had seventy percent of the incominc traffic to mainland china, today it has ten percent or less. Their neighbor macau focused on gambling and is striving. Hong Kong's white leaders mismanaged hong kong, but unlike the usa who has a military which allows welfare lifelines to be given to entire failed industries, hong kong has to accept the consequences, the negative sequences from poor financial management. When the whites who run Argentina, the mestizo rich, mishandled the economy of argentina and their entire banking system collapsed, argentina couldn't just write their entire banking system a check and ward off other countries calling in for debt with their military power, they had to accept the consequences, the negative sequences from poor financial management. The USA's economy is completely mishandled, but the power of the usa miitary is so great that it allows the usa the ability to have forty strong years of failed industries across the board have their financial meltdowns paid for by the federal government. Thus maintaining the community of fiscally rich in the usa who in truth all went broke multiple times. IN AMENDMENT THe Covid 19 scenario is again, another financial collapse. The USA military allows financial failure from its wealthiest, the non blacks, to not be rewarded with closure or termination as in liquidation as in a free financial market, but with welfare life lines as in a... militaristic empire, then how can the blacks treat finance as if it is really a numbers game? It isn't a numbers game but a militaristic powers game. Black people in the usa lack militaristic power the most. 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@KENNETH Well I have said in this forum already, in 2025 Black people in the usa have more business ownership or collective wealth than in the USA in times past. Using the Black History Book, through enslavement from 1492 to 1865 through jim crow from 1865 to 1980 Black people were financially stymied in overhwhelming majority by whites, this is a financial fact. So from 1980 to 2025 Black people after fighting through white terrorism/oppression to have unprecedented opportunity in majority, has led to an ever increasing rise in black business ownership or personal wealth from 1980 to today and growing. So from my view, what your talking about is acceleration. You want Black people in 2025 to be inspired as in times past as a collective. We taught ourselves to read in the late 1800s on will alone. We marched and rallied for legal changes that would influence how the usa works with may black people being murdered in the 1960s. Shirley CHisholm said black folks in the usa need a financial focus today. But where is the inspiration to come from. From 1980 to 2025 Black ownership had moments to lead greatly financially and they all fell. Black Entertainment Television was black owned, the majority owner who was black sold the company from under the other black owners, that undercut black owned media outlets ever since. Johnson could had reached for a consortium of black people to own BET, provided corporate rules. But he didn't. HE just sold it to whites who themselves are looking to sell their company to a holding firm this very year. The man who owned BET and sold it started the CHarlotte Bobcats. Sold it to Black man, Michael Jordan, who then sold it to white people. Black people say why we don't own sports team all the time. We owned one and it was sold to whites. Jordan couldn't find a set of black owners to buy the team? As I Said in this forum, the million man march could had been used to make a political march into a financial agency. Over a million black men marched on washington for guidance to the black community in the usa. the black people who led that march didn't provide anything. whose fault is that? they could had made a website and gave each man who was willing to give one dollar a ticket/card and said, when you go back home, use this card to access the website and vote on how we want to use a million dollars, and every year with one dollar, each million man wil lbe part of a financing to something n the black community in the usa. But, the million man march doesn't even have a website . In the harlem I live when the HArlem EMpowerment Zone which was advertised as financially beneficial to HArlem which at that time was still majority black, only one blac owned business in harlem received funding and that was cause that business knew someone. HArlem at that had an all black elected representative body fromc ity council to state assembly to stt senate to house of represnentatives. All f those blac elected officials couldn't demand black owned busineses have a greater cut, with the clintons as the supposed spearheaders of the money? George bush jr started the national african american museum, but Obama was president through most of its administration. Why couldn't obama open up the management of that museums' creation to more black people, with varying views and beliefs. The national african american musuem was made with a black 1% in control, the black 1% have never viewed the back populace in the usa properly in my view. They have always viewed the black 99% as erroneous/lazy/wrong and that matters in the narrative fo black history which that museum displays. What is my point? from 1980 to 2025 Black leaders in the usa had moments to guide to inpsire black people to work with each other for positive goals but usually they end up teaching the lesson of individualism. And so.... from BET to the NAtional African American Museum the lesson isn't black people in the usa need to work together in the age of integration, the lesson taught is black individuals in the usa in the age of integreation earn the right to do as they see fit regardless to the black community or blakc collectives betterment in the usa. And so how can you expect black people living in a black town in mississippi without water, near poisonous landfills to have this great black on black financial belief when black people who are millionaires and billionaires are selling to non blacks or not doing anything to the village's betterment? Yeah steward and smith , steward a savvy businessman in the right place at the right time started as reseller of technology, rode the dot com wave , which busted. Smith a chemist fortunate to have some patents and invests in software firms at the right time, has grown as all software investment firms have. Congrats to both, both hire and employ black people. Well done to both. But, I also provided examples of others who sold their firms. In conclusion, I already stated black business in the usa is growing, this is financial fact. But you are looking for acceleration and you have to really look at the field fo black wealthy people who aren't leading the way to such an explosion and it is financially irresponsible to suggest black people who have only been able to be part of the usa's financial environment since the 1980s to erase the lag from 1492 to 1980 caused by whites. thus the financial growth will be slow until some black billionaire or elected official leads much better, offering guidance that can convince black people to take huge risks. I happen to know about this. Adam Clayton Powell jr had lost connection with the rising set of younger black elected officials. It wasn't the people clamoring for rangel , Rangel hadn't did anything to warrant all of that. But rangel /dinkins/patterson whose son is blind and the guy that recently passed away who was in the ny senates, three of them from harlem without question, I dont think patterson was but I am uncertain. had formed a little union who would run harlem and black politics in nyc for decades, that is what happened. Powell jr alienated himself from the new generations and they ousted him. One thing black people have to do is stop telling false histories. I know I may sound like I am attacking you but I am not. I can't stand when anyone tells false history. I comprehend that many, I don't think most, black people in the usa view voting as a symbol of freedom. Black people like yourself of Profd or Pioneer I think view voting as the will of the people. But, the black people of harlem didn't vote to have the nypd as the drug kingpins of harlem in the 1970s they didn't vote to have the nyc/nys/us government defund everything it could in harlem in the 1970s? Under rangel, who represented all of harlem all that happened? so... Black people didn't vote for change. The black elected official community in NYC had a coup over powell and others led by four black men and they succeeded in their coup. I think blacks have been persisitent since 1492 in this country. I don't think persistence is the issue in our dialog or failure to try new things. I think the issue is scale. You like others seem to want a grandiose scale that I don't think is even remotely warranted. @umbrarchist the truth is , the USA military is the real value fo the usa economy, it is that plain and simple. The numbers all prove me right. From 1980 to 2025 what iindustry didn't have a total collapse in the usa? can you name any? Real estate industry had three collapses. Automotive industry had two collapses. Military contractors, arms makers, had a collapse. Airplane firms had three collapses in a history of collapses going back to pan am in the 1960s 1970s. Banks had three collapses the biggest was a complete failure that even the banks couldn't algorithm their way out of. Dot com websites collapse, before the bust steward made his fortune before the bust. The collapse of various pension funds from workers who had put money into those funds, which became totally lost. The collapse of various womens soccer league teams. The collapse of various hashtag currencies, like bitcoin. The collapse of various financial trading environments at least three major ones: enron/madoff [madoff was a scapegoat] are two What is my point? Black people in the usa keep talking about finance like the USA is some sort of successful place. The USA in my opinion, in the black history age of integration in the usa from 1980 to 2025 has been a complete financial failure that has only been kept alive because of a militaristic quality no one else has, and I can give examples in 1980 to 2025 from other white government to prove my point. When the whites who run hong kong, the eurasian billionaires, mishandled the economy of Hong Kong, they couldn't just pump money back into it. What happened is simple. At one time, Hong Kong had seventy percent of the incominc traffic to mainland china, today it has ten percent or less. Their neighbor macau focused on gambling and is striving. Hong Kong's white leaders mismanaged hong kong, but unlike the usa who has a military which allows welfare lifelines to be given to entire failed industries, hong kong has to accept the consequences, the negative sequences from poor financial management. When the whites who run Argentina, the mestizo rich, mishandled the economy of argentina and their entire banking system collapsed, argentina couldn't just write their entire banking system a check and ward off other countries calling in for debt with their military power, they had to accept the consequences, the negative sequences from poor financial management. The USA's economy is completely mishandled, but the power of the usa miitary is so great that it allows the usa the ability to have forty strong years of failed industries across the board have their financial meltdowns paid for by the federal government. Thus maintaining the community of fiscally rich in the usa who in truth all went broke multiple times. IN AMENDMENT THe Covid 19 scenario is again, another financial collapse. The USA military allows financial failure from its wealthiest, the non blacks, to not be rewarded with closure or termination as in liquidation as in a free financial market, but with welfare life lines as in a... militaristic empire, then how can the blacks treat finance as if it is really a numbers game? It isn't a numbers game but a militaristic powers game. Black people in the usa lack militaristic power the most.
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@ProfD and lies tend to live at the fountain of youth I see your goal now. At the moment, in 2025 more black investment firms exist than in decades past, maybe in the history of the usa , or the european colonies preceding so from a mere growth perspective black owned financial instutitions are growing, are greater in quantity now than ever before. So, your goal is for the current growth of black owned financial instutitions: investment firms, credit unions, banks, to expand ... at a rate never known in the history of the usa... Ideally possible, the problem with the expanse your speaking of is it needs something money can't buy. Belief, Love ... in the usa. circa fifty million black people in the usa today, don't have a lot of inspiration.
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@ProfD Is being human an excuse? the history is money coincides with the history of lost fortunes, this is a human thing... are you suggesting black people int he usa shouldn't be human? Isn't that an uneven double standard? I think a black person over 40 worth 100 million has every right to lose all their money as all the other humans who also have done that in the past week around the world. and Jim Crow, not just slavery, and jim crow. Black money in the usa is really a modern thing, mentioning slavery absent jim crow to any body who doesn't comprehend the financial history of black people in this country is leaving out a huge era of financial pain, that being jim crow. the question is evidence @Troy the mob today isn't of the past, very calculating.
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@ProfD I can't recall any moment in my life where any one voted for an elected official and they got what they wanted... in my eyes, they get what they settle for, that isn't what you want.
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@ProfD Cause many millionaire athletes, and I am talking across phenotypical lines,across various sports, live above their means. Millions of dollars isn't a lot when you are the breadwinner to not only your home but your clan. And then compound that with being energetic and wanting to party. And then compound that with being very new to money. I repeat Slavery era in the USA was 1492 to 1865 where 95% of black people had no financial relationship cause they were enslaved. Jim Crow era in the USA was 1865 to 1980 where 80% of black people were in legal financial traps by whites in the usa. So, Black people in the USA have only had 45 years and counting, the integration era, to get accustomed to fiscal capitalistic life... not just earning fortunes but losing it. Living above ones means, and being miserly. Now I will defend the black 1%. One of the problems is the black 1% has been business owning/financially engaged since 1492 so from their view within the view, the black 99% should merely be like them. I think about white the NAACP lawyer. The black abolitionists from freeman families before the war between the states who supported frederick douglass. Remember many black people in sierra leone or liberia are descended from Black 1% DOSers who clearly proved my point about how black 1% view the black 99% in their actions on returning home.
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@ProfD well her death is convenient in that sense, but glad she has those who still follow her thinking positively. This is the economic corner, build more isn't a goal. How many more Black businesses do you want to see? The answer can't be infinite, can't be everywhere overwhelming, the USA is not a black country nor are the nonblacks absent the means to harm/destroy black business. If you can't give a count, what about a percentage? What percentage of business in the usa do you need Black business to increase as? What percentage of Black business in the usa do you want to increase to? Present goals.
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@ProfD there is a very old saying which I find always holds up true, no one can serve two masters. What historical evidence do you have/suggest of any country that is subservient to another, like Nippon to the USA, having a leader who served successfully the interest of the subservient country + the master country?
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@ProfD have you or anyone else who follows Welsing asked her the following questions? 1) does she want the black dos population in the usa to get old and die? 2) does she prosyletize to non black dos woman,including black recent immigrant women plus all non black women from wherever: who don't speak english in the usa, are not college educated, on welfare , are not thrity, or have three or better children not to have children fr which NYC has millions? Black people in the usa have nonviolently built wealth in the usa nonviolently having the legacy of enslavement + jim crow forcing most of said wealth to come through individual efforts. The question to you as I ask others in the this forum, is what do you want from the black populace in the usa to be satisfied? I define satisified as a situation where you Profd no longer have a complain to the black populace in the usa. I will ask the specific question at the end of my comment. I asked @Pioneer1 a while back, what will it take for him to be satisfied, meaning the same as you, concerning the issue of illegalities, for Pioneer continually suggest one instance of illegality from one individual in the black populace in the USA is too much and shows urgency. His answer was until the black populace commits no illegalities he will have a complaint. Now Pioneer in my reading has never displayed the same passion to non black or non black doser illegalities in the usa. His variance in approach suggest they are allowables or acceptables to him. So Profd, what will satisfy you financially concerning the black populace or specifically, the black dos populace in the usa?
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As I am a known Communalist through my various multilogs in AALBC, it is clear I prefer strong community over strong individuals. Not everybody is going to be strong all the time. But, sharing strength can help the whole group survive storms no individual can handle alone. ... but having said that, the heritage of the Black populace in the usa and the european colonies that preceded it is Nonviolent Individualism. No DOSers from the USA are not like DOSers from Haiti whose heritage is militant communalism. I don't care for nonviolent individualism but I comprehend it is the true heritage of black people in the usa led by DOSers, who are the largest percentage of black people in the usa. Take out the First Peoples of the USA who have their own specific issues with this place, everyone else in the usa never had to deal with enslavement or jim crow to the extent of black people. Not white jews not chinese, not mexicans. All three were abused? yes, 100% but while abused never enslaved, never at the full cruelty of jim crow. So black people in assessing ourselves, must embrace our unique situation first. Black Individualism has limits helping the group but allows black individuals a flexibility which can be useful. URL TO COMMENT https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11970-what-if-we-focused-on-local-development/#findComment-77177 COMMENT @KENNETH if you want the honey and not the pot, just scroll to my conclusion Idealistically it is a positive thing. But let me use NYC to explain my counter point. Is NYC a black city? no Is NYC a white city? yes does NYC have more disadvantaged communities than any other city in the USA? yes does NYC have disadvantaged white communities? yes, more than any other city in the USA? yes Why can't NYC's white elected officials align with white businesses to aid white communities that are disadvantaged? Because the cost is very high. Aiding the poor is not financially cheap. How does NYC get money every year? the mayor of NYC whomever they are goes to Albany and begs. The federal governments welfare money to states are more vital to every state in the union, including california. But the federal government gives its money to states, not cities, ala when atlanta/detroit/new orleans are any town/village/city that was or is black wants money... they have to beg a white states, thus... What is my point? overall it is very expensive to finance poverty. It requires losing a fortune. Black people with money, correctly, are the least interested in losing money. Remember, the fiscal wealthy Black populace don't come from Indian Killers or Enslavers, they come from enslaved black folk like fiscally poor black people. They are not interested in losing their money. And yes, you have to give up your fortune to improve disadvantaged neighborhoods. Remember andrew carnegie of new york, he gave up his fortune and built many of the libraries that are all over the world, but that wasn't cheap. He needed every penny. Remember in the late eighteen hundreds, circa 1865, the black populace of the usa was denser than ever after, and that is why white people in black states/louisiana/mississippi/south carolina or white people in white states everywhere else, cut open pregnant black women. State power matters in the usa. HArlem Children Zone and the larger field of charter schools had support from the government of NYC and NY state. Remember, most charter schools didn't have to build new buildings, the government allowed most to use buildings they did not buy for repurpose or use public school buildings spaces. That is a financial advantege brought by the government. Second , across all phenotypes most children in NYC, black/non black/ male/female go to public schools. The charter school movement was never about the mass education of any group of children. It was about making another layer for parents who wanted their kids to go to a school like styvesant or bronx science but the seats are filled, so charter schools became a second tier. But remmeber one thing, when a child fails in a charter school, you know where they go... public school. So Canada, whom I ... Canada has said many things but I know the truth. His movement was about a particular sections of parents having their own zone. Now why does this matter? what your talking about isn't about helping a section of the disadvantaged but you want to help a whole disadvantaged community, you have to find actions that actually help a whole disadvantaged community. In the USA those are not easy to find. This like your first is idealistically correct. The problem is, unlike the USA who spent most of the nineteen hundreds revitalizing completely war torn or fiscally mired countries[japan/england/france/germany/spain/portugal /italy/korea/china/mexico /canada ] to gain their allegiance against the soviet union , losing the financial advantage the usa had over all of them. Said countries are not interested in any fiscal deal that will not return something of equal value. Sequentially, the Black DOS populace or even the larger black populace in the usa don't have mineral access, don't have aquaspheres, don't have anything physical to trade with. China gives money throughout afirca/south america/south east asia for minerals/resources. West Africans wealthy pay for high end european goods. DOSers don't have any luxury brand businesses. The Middle Easterners sometimes give for long shots or long term investments, but a welfare line around the world exist to them. As I type this comment, people from every community in humanity are in saudi arabia, qatar , or united arab emirates begging for the oil barons to give them money. I think some DOSers plans may reach them but many want their money. Another Ideal. positive. But I have a little history with this topic in the forum here. You say demand more from so called leaders, being a poor leader, one who doesn't get positive results, doesn't mean your not a leader. But then you want leaders to provide viable solutions. Here is the issue. In the usa no system exist for any voter to demand anything from any elected officials. That is the difference between a parliamentary system and the statian system. In the usa's entire history voting is a gamble. The gamble is, if I vote for you, will want to stay in the position so you will do for the voter, the trick is, I am guaranteeing you a set of time, even if you do nothing for the voter. So, there is no way to demand anything in the usa system. White people don't demand votes. Poor whites don't demand votes. Rich white people buy votes, that isn't even demanding, that is paying for a service. Which black people don't have the money to do. The problem with providing a viable solution is a strategy can only be considered a solution after implementation. No matter how intricate or well spoke a plan, no plan is worth anything until it is implemented. So, I comprehend what your asking, but the legal system in the usa doesn't allow for either. A little history:) of me and one of my solutions,a black party of governance. The Black community in the USA need an alternative to Black officials from the Party of Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln 2022 https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/9211-the-black-community-in-the-usa-need-an-alternative-to-black-officials-from-the-party-of-andrew-jackson-or-abraham-lincoln/ commentary https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1890&type=status What Blacks haven't done? https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1929&type=status Immigration on African Americans https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1941&type=status Black PArty of Governance Post https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1945&type=status Detroit and the state of a Black Party of Governance https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2124&type=status Black Women and the two main parties of governance in the usa https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2137&type=status The lessons in 1865 not learned https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2549&type=status Shirley Chisholm proved the college of black elected officials isn't serious, that is why she left them https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2571&type=status With the 250 year anniversary of the USA maybe black people should celebrate radically https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2776&type=status Multivisions in parties of governance https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2148&type=status Specific needs https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2238&type=status To 1 , Your correct black people don't live as close together as in the late 1800s , but the reason why isn't self inflicted, remember when you were a kid and they showed black people hanging in jim crow, that wasn't a joke. Black elders to their forever dishonor don't like to admit the reason black people left the south was fear based on white terrorism. It is that simple. And like today, even back then, many black people, DOSers in particular, are unwilling to accept violent action. Jim Crow's purpose was not merely to harm black people but to make our communities suffer at the hands of whites so we would break up. whites succeeded, it is not easy undoing that damage. To 2 + 3 In defense they never have, even in the late 1800s there were black tribes nonviolently fighting each other. And remember when the usa was founded most free blacks fought against, so... the most free, most financially wealthy blacks have always been split in themselves and at some level to the larger populace of black people. I argue the problem today is the nonviolent, self determination mantra black people preached to black people has succeeded, the problem is, it isn't enough to reach certain levels of growth as a populace. Black individualism made the modern usa. Black financial wealth has grown in the usa despite historical financial disadvantages strictly to black people , persistent governmental limits specifically to blacks . That is black individuals fighting. BUT, individualism has limits. I will even be nice and say, the Black people like frederick douglass in the past, hoped, dreamed, that Blac Individualism would carry black people to a day when the greater USA embraced individualism the same way. the two problems are, most whites still enjoy and desire the power one can have access to with communal strength over other communities. And most non Black people of color came late to the party so to speak, so they carry a communal nature from the countries they come from and thus it will take their bloodlines more time to reach the individualism that exist in the white anglo saxon protestant slavemaster/black descendend of enslaved/first peoples commonly called the native american. IN CONCLUSION To municipal power, the quickest idea is to get the fiscally wealthy black to support a campaign of breaking up the states in the union. why? no matter what any city in the usa does, if the state government to the state it is in wants to stall or stop, they can and that is that. I rephrase, if you get a willing black city, and willing black fiscal entrepreneurs, a white state government can use its power to hold up anything in the courts. So, your first idea needs state power. Get the wealthy behind that. To private public pooling, great idea but you need to have a specific goal that actually helps a wide swath of black people. At the end of the day, many of the initiatives that helped black people in the usa from 1865 to today, didn't help a wide array, they helped black people in specific places or with specific means or specific scenarios. When the usa gave native american land to white settlers, the condition of the white settler didn't matter. Find a specific thing that can help across the board of black people. To the money outside the USA, the most common invester will want to see an automatic return of wealth or near term wealth growth. You have to find something that the Black populace in the USA has that can do that. Keep looking you will find it. The best strategy to increase the rate of results in the usa system that maintains the philosophical line of black voters is to emphasize parliamentarianism. Most Black people in the usa are :not radical enough, not anti usa enough, not anti white enough, too pro individual, to accept a Black party of governance. But parliamentarianism is the best solution for your desire to get better results. Make it where the time of voting isn't enough. The reason why both major parties of governance in the usa are filled with do nothings is because the only time of consequence is the voting time. Not the time in office. Make the time in office consequence and it will change the rate of results. You will have opposition but I think it is doable. When you assess the black populace in the usa , never forget, that our timeline isn't whites. Black people were enslaved before during and after independence. IF you look at the usa from a important moments for Black people, 1492 to 1865 is one whole era of enslavement. White people have the french-indian war and independence and war of 1812 but from 1492 to 1865 remember, over 95% of black people in the usa are completely enslaved. Over 95% of black people in the usa from 1492 to 1865 were born, lived and died enslaved. No, house in martha's vineyard, no lincoln hat, no wage, no sailor on a whaling ship. I know you know black history. But one of the problems with black history throughout humanity is the timelines for non blacks we black people consider speaking of ourselves. That means 95% of black people were enslaved for almost 400 years. And what came after the period of enslavement from 1492 to 1865 in Black Statian history? the period of Jim Crow. Now what is Jim Crow? Most will say Jim Crow is segregation, but that isn't true. Segregation is the white view of Jim Crow. The Black view is how long it took for black people to nonviolently integrate with the white populace in the usa. Jim crow is from 1865 to 1980. It took over a hundred years for Black people to nonviolently integrate with whites. Why? that was the black plan. When 1865 hit, a bunch of black church elders made a vote on what to do, cause whites were already killing black people after the war between the states for revenge or to take land or to force to sharecrop or to scare us into fleeing. So black churches new. Black churches, voted on the side of nonviolence. [I am working on finding the names of who voted] Remember at 1865 Black churches were the undisputed black leadership in the usa with a totally devoted populace. And what did black people do while whites guted pregnant black women/made up laws to place black men in prison for life to rebuild the south/placed black children in electric chairs/had black people fight in the spanish american war+world war one + world two all awhile no black person could open a bank account, use the bathroom, use the bus , own land, in 99% of places in the usa/black communities in the cities north and west were completely defunded by white governments/law enforcement agencies throughout the usa made money off of peddling drugs to black people sometimes by force while also making money by putting us in jail for the drugs they dumped into our communities .. black people nonviolently and individually suffered the blows embraced all the insults and pains and inequalities and never hurt white people while kept trying to be part of the systems they didn't want us to. With the help of the soviets, some mistakes in administration by whites, by 1980 Jim Crow was officially a little old man. Not dead, but no longer a major factor in the lives of most black people which is how he started in 1865 with what whites call the nadir of american race relations. Remember Alice was in the 1970s. Now we are in the integration era. Black people collectively or individually survived enslavement from 1492 to 1865 gaining no money no wealth losing many traditions by whip by shackle. Black people's collectives were shattered by Jim Crow from 1865 to 1980 but Blac individualism was able to thrive. Now from 1980 to 2025 and the near term, black people have to catch up to whites who have from 1492 to 1980 a near five hundred year head start on being statian absent any of the financial advantages of stolen land from other human beings or enslavement of other human beings and we have to compete with immigrant populaces including some that are black who are smaller in populace, for example ethiopian americans are 380,000 people far less than the forty million DOSers, so easier to move in fiscal capitalism allowed to pronounce and embrace the cultures they came with whereas DOSers were not allowed in enslavement of jim crow to cherish our cultures publicly. So... yes Black people in the usa today have a high level of individualism, but it isn't for nothing. It is unwarranted. Slavery nor Jim Crow were a joke, and we didn't do it to ourselves, and four hundred years is not going to be undone in forty sorry. Anyone black tell you that is a liar. When you see a nigerian/chinese/white jew say Blacks don't know how to do this or that. Remind them that, Nigerians ancestors were not in the slave boats, nigerians ancestors didn't have to deal with enslavement from 1492 to 1865 nor jim crow from 1865 to 1980. There wasn't a day in british west africa where 95% of Black people were told they couldn't have their culture. Where they had to live chained up. Chinese and white jews were starting businesses from 1492 to 1980 in the usa, in places black people were not allowed or could not. Yes, Black Individualism is high, that is how Black DOSers survived nonviolently. Give ourselves a hand. It wasn't easy.
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@KENNETH if you want the honey and not the pot, just scroll to my conclusion Idealistically it is a positive thing. But let me use NYC to explain my counter point. Is NYC a black city? no Is NYC a white city? yes does NYC have more disadvantaged communities than any other city in the USA? yes does NYC have disadvantaged white communities? yes, more than any other city in the USA? yes Why can't NYC's white elected officials align with white businesses to aid white communities that are disadvantaged? Because the cost is very high. Aiding the poor is not financially cheap. How does NYC get money every year? the mayor of NYC whomever they are goes to Albany and begs. The federal governments welfare money to states are more vital to every state in the union, including california. But the federal government gives its money to states, not cities, ala when atlanta/detroit/new orleans are any town/village/city that was or is black wants money... they have to beg a white states, thus... What is my point? overall it is very expensive to finance poverty. It requires losing a fortune. Black people with money, correctly, are the least interested in losing money. Remember, the fiscal wealthy Black populace don't come from Indian Killers or Enslavers, they come from enslaved black folk like fiscally poor black people. They are not interested in losing their money. And yes, you have to give up your fortune to improve disadvantaged neighborhoods. Remember andrew carnegie of new york, he gave up his fortune and built many of the libraries that are all over the world, but that wasn't cheap. He needed every penny. Remember in the late eighteen hundreds, circa 1865, the black populace of the usa was denser than ever after, and that is why white people in black states/louisiana/mississippi/south carolina or white people in white states everywhere else, cut open pregnant black women. State power matters in the usa. HArlem Children Zone and the larger field of charter schools had support from the government of NYC and NY state. Remember, most charter schools didn't have to build new buildings, the government allowed most to use buildings they did not buy for repurpose or use public school buildings spaces. That is a financial advantege brought by the government. Second , across all phenotypes most children in NYC, black/non black/ male/female go to public schools. The charter school movement was never about the mass education of any group of children. It was about making another layer for parents who wanted their kids to go to a school like styvesant or bronx science but the seats are filled, so charter schools became a second tier. But remmeber one thing, when a child fails in a charter school, you know where they go... public school. So Canada, whom I ... Canada has said many things but I know the truth. His movement was about a particular sections of parents having their own zone. Now why does this matter? what your talking about isn't about helping a section of the disadvantaged but you want to help a whole disadvantaged community, you have to find actions that actually help a whole disadvantaged community. In the USA those are not easy to find. This like your first is idealistically correct. The problem is, unlike the USA who spent most of the nineteen hundreds revitalizing completely war torn or fiscally mired countries[japan/england/france/germany/spain/portugal /italy/korea/china/mexico /canada ] to gain their allegiance against the soviet union , losing the financial advantage the usa had over all of them. Said countries are not interested in any fiscal deal that will not return something of equal value. Sequentially, the Black DOS populace or even the larger black populace in the usa don't have mineral access, don't have aquaspheres, don't have anything physical to trade with. China gives money throughout afirca/south america/south east asia for minerals/resources. West Africans wealthy pay for high end european goods. DOSers don't have any luxury brand businesses. The Middle Easterners sometimes give for long shots or long term investments, but a welfare line around the world exist to them. As I type this comment, people from every community in humanity are in saudi arabia, qatar , or united arab emirates begging for the oil barons to give them money. I think some DOSers plans may reach them but many want their money. Another Ideal. positive. But I have a little history with this topic in the forum here. You say demand more from so called leaders, being a poor leader, one who doesn't get positive results, doesn't mean your not a leader. But then you want leaders to provide viable solutions. Here is the issue. In the usa no system exist for any voter to demand anything from any elected officials. That is the difference between a parliamentary system and the statian system. In the usa's entire history voting is a gamble. The gamble is, if I vote for you, will want to stay in the position so you will do for the voter, the trick is, I am guaranteeing you a set of time, even if you do nothing for the voter. So, there is no way to demand anything in the usa system. White people don't demand votes. Poor whites don't demand votes. Rich white people buy votes, that isn't even demanding, that is paying for a service. Which black people don't have the money to do. The problem with providing a viable solution is a strategy can only be considered a solution after implementation. No matter how intricate or well spoke a plan, no plan is worth anything until it is implemented. So, I comprehend what your asking, but the legal system in the usa doesn't allow for either. A little history:) of me and one of my solutions,a black party of governance. The Black community in the USA need an alternative to Black officials from the Party of Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln 2022 https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/9211-the-black-community-in-the-usa-need-an-alternative-to-black-officials-from-the-party-of-andrew-jackson-or-abraham-lincoln/ commentary https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1890&type=status What Blacks haven't done? https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1929&type=status Immigration on African Americans https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1941&type=status Black PArty of Governance Post https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1945&type=status Detroit and the state of a Black Party of Governance https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2124&type=status Black Women and the two main parties of governance in the usa https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2137&type=status The lessons in 1865 not learned https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2549&type=status Shirley Chisholm proved the college of black elected officials isn't serious, that is why she left them https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2571&type=status With the 250 year anniversary of the USA maybe black people should celebrate radically https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2776&type=status Multivisions in parties of governance https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2148&type=status Specific needs https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2238&type=status To 1 , Your correct black people don't live as close together as in the late 1800s , but the reason why isn't self inflicted, remember when you were a kid and they showed black people hanging in jim crow, that wasn't a joke. Black elders to their forever dishonor don't like to admit the reason black people left the south was fear based on white terrorism. It is that simple. And like today, even back then, many black people, DOSers in particular, are unwilling to accept violent action. Jim Crow's purpose was not merely to harm black people but to make our communities suffer at the hands of whites so we would break up. whites succeeded, it is not easy undoing that damage. To 2 + 3 In defense they never have, even in the late 1800s there were black tribes nonviolently fighting each other. And remember when the usa was founded most free blacks fought against, so... the most free, most financially wealthy blacks have always been split in themselves and at some level to the larger populace of black people. I argue the problem today is the nonviolent, self determination mantra black people preached to black people has succeeded, the problem is, it isn't enough to reach certain levels of growth as a populace. Black individualism made the modern usa. Black financial wealth has grown in the usa despite historical financial disadvantages strictly to black people , persistent governmental limits specifically to blacks . That is black individuals fighting. BUT, individualism has limits. I will even be nice and say, the Black people like frederick douglass in the past, hoped, dreamed, that Blac Individualism would carry black people to a day when the greater USA embraced individualism the same way. the two problems are, most whites still enjoy and desire the power one can have access to with communal strength over other communities. And most non Black people of color came late to the party so to speak, so they carry a communal nature from the countries they come from and thus it will take their bloodlines more time to reach the individualism that exist in the white anglo saxon protestant slavemaster/black descendend of enslaved/first peoples commonly called the native american. IN CONCLUSION To municipal power, the quickest idea is to get the fiscally wealthy black to support a campaign of breaking up the states in the union. why? no matter what any city in the usa does, if the state government to the state it is in wants to stall or stop, they can and that is that. I rephrase, if you get a willing black city, and willing black fiscal entrepreneurs, a white state government can use its power to hold up anything in the courts. So, your first idea needs state power. Get the wealthy behind that. To private public pooling, great idea but you need to have a specific goal that actually helps a wide swath of black people. At the end of the day, many of the initiatives that helped black people in the usa from 1865 to today, didn't help a wide array, they helped black people in specific places or with specific means or specific scenarios. When the usa gave native american land to white settlers, the condition of the white settler didn't matter. Find a specific thing that can help across the board of black people. To the money outside the USA, the most common invester will want to see an automatic return of wealth or near term wealth growth. You have to find something that the Black populace in the USA has that can do that. Keep looking you will find it. The best strategy to increase the rate of results in the usa system that maintains the philosophical line of black voters is to emphasize parliamentarianism. Most Black people in the usa are :not radical enough, not anti usa enough, not anti white enough, too pro individual, to accept a Black party of governance. But parliamentarianism is the best solution for your desire to get better results. Make it where the time of voting isn't enough. The reason why both major parties of governance in the usa are filled with do nothings is because the only time of consequence is the voting time. Not the time in office. Make the time in office consequence and it will change the rate of results. You will have opposition but I think it is doable. When you assess the black populace in the usa , never forget, that our timeline isn't whites. Black people were enslaved before during and after independence. IF you look at the usa from a important moments for Black people, 1492 to 1865 is one whole era of enslavement. White people have the french-indian war and independence and war of 1812 but from 1492 to 1865 remember, over 95% of black people in the usa are completely enslaved. Over 95% of black people in the usa from 1492 to 1865 were born, lived and died enslaved. No, house in martha's vineyard, no lincoln hat, no wage, no sailor on a whaling ship. I know you know black history. But one of the problems with black history throughout humanity is the timelines for non blacks we black people consider speaking of ourselves. That means 95% of black people were enslaved for almost 400 years. And what came after the period of enslavement from 1492 to 1865 in Black Statian history? the period of Jim Crow. Now what is Jim Crow? Most will say Jim Crow is segregation, but that isn't true. Segregation is the white view of Jim Crow. The Black view is how long it took for black people to nonviolently integrate with the white populace in the usa. Jim crow is from 1865 to 1980. It took over a hundred years for Black people to nonviolently integrate with whites. Why? that was the black plan. When 1865 hit, a bunch of black church elders made a vote on what to do, cause whites were already killing black people after the war between the states for revenge or to take land or to force to sharecrop or to scare us into fleeing. So black churches new. Black churches, voted on the side of nonviolence. [I am working on finding the names of who voted] Remember at 1865 Black churches were the undisputed black leadership in the usa with a totally devoted populace. And what did black people do while whites guted pregnant black women/made up laws to place black men in prison for life to rebuild the south/placed black children in electric chairs/had black people fight in the spanish american war+world war one + world two all awhile no black person could open a bank account, use the bathroom, use the bus , own land, in 99% of places in the usa/black communities in the cities north and west were completely defunded by white governments/law enforcement agencies throughout the usa made money off of peddling drugs to black people sometimes by force while also making money by putting us in jail for the drugs they dumped into our communities .. black people nonviolently and individually suffered the blows embraced all the insults and pains and inequalities and never hurt white people while kept trying to be part of the systems they didn't want us to. With the help of the soviets, some mistakes in administration by whites, by 1980 Jim Crow was officially a little old man. Not dead, but no longer a major factor in the lives of most black people which is how he started in 1865 with what whites call the nadir of american race relations. Remember Alice was in the 1970s. Now we are in the integration era. Black people collectively or individually survived enslavement from 1492 to 1865 gaining no money no wealth losing many traditions by whip by shackle. Black people's collectives were shattered by Jim Crow from 1865 to 1980 but Blac individualism was able to thrive. Now from 1980 to 2025 and the near term, black people have to catch up to whites who have from 1492 to 1980 a near five hundred year head start on being statian absent any of the financial advantages of stolen land from other human beings or enslavement of other human beings and we have to compete with immigrant populaces including some that are black who are smaller in populace, for example ethiopian americans are 380,000 people far less than the forty million DOSers, so easier to move in fiscal capitalism allowed to pronounce and embrace the cultures they came with whereas DOSers were not allowed in enslavement of jim crow to cherish our cultures publicly. So... yes Black people in the usa today have a high level of individualism, but it isn't for nothing. It is unwarranted. Slavery nor Jim Crow were a joke, and we didn't do it to ourselves, and four hundred years is not going to be undone in forty sorry. Anyone black tell you that is a liar. When you see a nigerian/chinese/white jew say Blacks don't know how to do this or that. Remind them that, Nigerians ancestors were not in the slave boats, nigerians ancestors didn't have to deal with enslavement from 1492 to 1865 nor jim crow from 1865 to 1980. There wasn't a day in british west africa where 95% of Black people were told they couldn't have their culture. Where they had to live chained up. Chinese and white jews were starting businesses from 1492 to 1980 in the usa, in places black people were not allowed or could not. Yes, Black Individualism is high, that is how Black DOSers survived nonviolently. Give ourselves a hand. It wasn't easy.
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One is financially wealthy, always growing fiscal wealth based on arithmetic manipulation plus flexibility supported by the most powerful military in humanity , but also always needing bailouts. Always too big too fail, even though it fails a lot. The other is losing jobs, losing investment,has a balooning populace. But hasn't led to riots, it is holding on to hope. NYC is clearly showing this. Eric Adams a few years ago stated New York City has a bustling economy, job growth is unlike ever before. But, this article admits that for ten years in a row, over one hundred thousand children in New York City were homeless. Now, out of ten million, one hundred thousand is one percent. One percent of the cities populace is homeless. That isn't anything to cry doom for, but every member of said one percent has parents who are not financially able to provide better, which means three percent. Again, no need to cry doom but if the labor market in New York City is so vibrant, then get the parents of the homeless children jobs. But here likes the worse part. I know many in New York City who have what will be called good jobs and they are moving into places because of lotteries. Every single person that gets a lottery can't afford to live in that place on their own financial footing. Then you add adults living with older adults, parents/uncles/et cetera. What is the point? The strategy of building new buildings has never lowered the rent. Freezing the rent doesn't lower the rent. Mamdani who has the lead to be next mayor of New York City + Cuomo or Sliwa trailing him , don't have a financial plan that is viable. I repeat, none of the current candidates for the mayor of NYC have a financial plan that is viable for New York City. So whomever wins will only be adding on to more financial chaos in New York City. In defense this was not built today, it was built in the 1970s. I repeat in the Economic Corner, the following industries in the USA from the 1970s to 2025 completely failed at least once, ledgers were blood red at least once, but not one of these industries at any time went through the proper financial result of industrial failure, which is liquidation and sale of all assets to cover debts and market vacuums to filled by others. Banking Industry Automotive Industry Electronics Industry Real Estate Industry Dot Com Industry Bitcoin Industry Film Industry Offline or online I recall so many times Black people told me , concerning a failing or failed Black owned business, they have to get it together, they got to learn how to play the game. While whole white industries are failing multiple times and getting friendly loans from the federal government. Goldman Sachs failed everybody. That company should be under. The White Jew failed. The Film industry failed, this is why 20th century fox was bought by Disney while paramount side discovery side warner bros are all looking to be bought by a holding firm. That is called failure. Now some will suggest white financial failure is not black financial failure and I argue that gets to the center of my point. Black people in the USA are in an environment, where we haven't enslaved other human beings or murdered other human beings to create generational wealth. Black people in the USA are in an environment were we are telling ourselves to have an inhuman financial ability while non Blacks are literally proving themselves to be terrible at business throughout many sectors but have the saving grace of the federal government to bail them out regardless of their financial quality. So then looking at Black people in the USA who are homeless, how should they look at the USA? at their situation in the USA? When your black neighbor/elder who never had the money to financially support you is telling you about having improper work ethics and a lack of intellect , the non blacks who were born in financial safety or better are destroying entire industries with the ultimate safety neck, backed by the usa military. The word inequal is not enough for this scaling variance. URL https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/education/2025/10/17/more-than-150-000-nyc-students-were-homeless-during-the-last-school-year More than 150,000 NYC students were homeless during last school year BY Jillian Jorgensen New York City PUBLISHED 6:00 AM ET Oct. 20, 2025 More than 154,000 students were homeless at some point during the last school year, continuing a decade-long trend and amounting to one in seven public school students. “This is the tenth year in a row where over 100,000 kids were identified as homeless last school year. This is the first year it was over 150,000 students experiencing homelessness. These numbers obviously are very troubling,” said Jennifer Pringle, project director at Advocates for Children, which compiles the annual data. What You Need To Know For the 10th year, more than 100,000 students were homeless under the federal definition of the word last school year More than 65,000 students spent at least one night during the last school year in a city shelter Those students face barriers to getting an education, including difficulty getting to school and high rates of chronic absenteeism Among those students: 65,000 spent time living in homeless shelters 82,000 were doubled up — sharing someone else’s housing after losing their own 7,000 were living in motels, hotels or otherwise without stable housing “While the city continues to focus on addressing the affordability crisis, the homelessness crisis, we can't lose sight of the educational needs of young people experiencing homelessness now,” Pringle said. Pringle says homeless students face significant barriers to having success in school, and 67% of students in shelters are chronically absent. “That means that 67% of students living in shelters miss more than 10% of the school year. That is roughly a month of school,” she said. Students have a federal right to remain in their school when they become homeless, which can help provide stability at a difficult time. But the city routinely moves children into shelters far from their schools. “Forty percent of families are placed in shelter in a different borough from where they go to school — not just neighborhood, not community school district, different borough. That poses all sorts of challenges for families,” she said. “Long commutes, meaning parents can't work. They can't look for permanent housing because they're busy spending their day, taking their child back and forth to school.” Students are entitled to transportation back to their old school, but many wait weeks for the city to set up busing or endure long commutes to their old schools, leading them to be late or absent. “We hear from families, you know, it's mid-October, who are still waiting for a school bus, still waiting,” she said. Pringle says the next mayor should make these students a priority. “This can't just be: ‘New York City Public Schools, you figure it out.’ It needs to be a multi-agency approach, all working together, laser-focused on how can we ensure better supports for students experiencing homelessness.” An education department spokeswoman pointed to efforts the city has made to better support these students, including more than 350 dedicated staff for supporting students in temporary housing, some based in shelters. “Education is key to breaking the cycle of homelessness, and we will continue to strengthen our trauma-informed, cross-agency and data-driven strategies to help students and families thrive,” the spokeswoman, Chyann Tull, said. A City Hall spokesman said Mayor Eric Adams has been clear that every child deserves a place to call home. “Through tailored support in our schools and innovative programs through our city agencies, we’re working every single day to address homelessness and ensure our students have the resources they need to thrive,” the spokesman said. The Department of Homeless Services says it has been focusing on placing families closer to support systems, and that the city was able to increase the percentage of students currently living in shelters in their youngest child’s school borough to 81% in the last fiscal year. From a parents mouth URL https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/education/2025/10/17/one-family-s-experience-navigating-public-school-while-homeless One family's experience navigating public school while homeless BY Jillian Jorgensen New York City PUBLISHED 8:00 PM ET Oct. 20, 2025 Kezie Thomas knows what life is like for the 65,000 students in city schools who lived in a homeless shelter at some point last year. She watched her daughter live through it as they bounced around the shelter system. “My daughter was like, moved every semester, and it's really messing up her, you know? She's finding it hard to build relationships with friends, you know. She's finding it hard to focus. She is falling asleep because she's tired from the commute, coming home at this hour. After six in the evening and waking up at five in the morning,” she said. What You Need To Know Kezie Thomas now has permanent housing — but when she was living in a shelter, she often faced long commutes to her child's school When she was finally assigned a school bus, the bus was often late or did not show up at all Her child struggled with the frequent moves — but is now doing much better attending a school close to her apartment Last school year, 154,000 students were homeless for at least a night. About 65,000 students spent some amount of time living in a city homeless shelter. Another 82,000 were doubled up, sharing someone else’s housing after losing their own. And 7,000 were living in motels, hotels, or otherwise, without stable housing. Thomas and her family became homeless after a marketing business she ran began to struggle a few years after the pandemic hit, prompting her first to crash with friends and family and ultimately enter shelter. They were often placed in shelters far from her daughter’s school. That prompted Thomas to change her child’s school at least five times over the years she was in and out of shelter. “The final shelter that I stayed at before being placed in permanent housing, it was like an hour and 15 minutes almost to get to her school. And that was a disaster,” she said. At first, Thomas had to bring her older child to school via public transit — with a baby in tow. “I'm doing my best to try to commute to get on the trains for this long hours, raise up the stroller up and down the train, some of the stations don't even have, like, you know, elevators,” she said. Eventually, she was assigned a yellow school bus to bring her to school. But that didn’t solve much. “There [were] many days that the school bus would not show up. They would not even let you know that they're not showing up,” she said. “Then when I finally call into the company, the bus company, they will just take the — create the ticket number, and they'll just do that over and over and over. And you really don't know if they're looking into the problem.” Now, she’s in permanent housing and moved her child one more time -- to a school that’s just four minutes away. “She loves it. For the first time in forever, she says that she loves her friends, she loves the teachers. She's doing well,” Thomas said of her fifth-grader. She says her religious faith is what got her through her time in shelter. And now, she wants to advocate for other women in her position. She also wants the candidates running for mayor to understand what it’s like for families like hers — and to be accountable when the city's systems fail. “When it comes along electoral time, you see the mayor, the government, everybody, you know, they’re campaigning, ‘Vote for me. I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that.' But as soon as that is over, they can't even be reached,’” Thomas said. “These people don't even know what it feels like. I'm pretty sure they don't even know what it feels like.” She described calling the bus company and getting nowhere. “You just deal with whatever happened today, and you just move on. And I think that is very unfair,” she said. “The people that are in shelters, most people think that homeless people are like, you know, bums or they don't have an education or they have nothing going for them. But that's not the case. Everybody hits a break in life, you know, and that's what happened. That's my story, because I'm coming from a background of degrees and running a business and, you know, and it's a humbling moment and having to go through that. It taught me a lot, and it just empowered me even more to educate my daughter.” Prior Edition https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/562-economic-corner-23/ Economic Corner The Two Economies of the USA have a simple problem. POST URL https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11979-economiccorner024/ PRIOR EDITION https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/562-economic-corner-23-10232025/ NEXT EDITION https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/569-economic-corner-25/ COMMENTARIES COMMENTS @ProfD On 10/24/2025 at 1:10 AM, ProfD said: Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing had it right in proselytizing that Black folks should not procreate or marry until they are at least 30 years old. have you or anyone else who follows Welsing asked her the following questions? 1) does she want the black dos population in the usa to get old and die? 2) does she prosyletize to non black dos woman,including black recent immigrant women plus all non black women from wherever: who don't speak english in the usa, are not college educated, on welfare , are not thrity, or have three or better children not to have children fr which NYC has millions? On 10/24/2025 at 1:10 AM, ProfD said: I hope that Black folks will find a way to build wealth despite the handicap of legacy of slavery over four centuries and obstacles built into the system of racism white supremacy. Black people in the usa have nonviolently built wealth in the usa nonviolently having the legacy of enslavement + jim crow forcing most of said wealth to come through individual efforts. The question to you as I ask others in the this forum, is what do you want from the black populace in the usa to be satisfied? I define satisified as a situation where you Profd no longer have a complain to the black populace in the usa. I will ask the specific question at the end of my comment. I asked @Pioneer1 a while back, what will it take for him to be satisfied, meaning the same as you, concerning the issue of illegalities, for Pioneer continually suggest one instance of illegality from one individual in the black populace in the USA is too much and shows urgency. His answer was until the black populace commits no illegalities he will have a complaint. Now Pioneer in my reading has never displayed the same passion to non black or non black doser illegalities in the usa. His variance in approach suggest they are allowables or acceptables to him. So Profd, what will satisfy you financially concerning the black populace or specifically, the black dos populace in the usa? Posted Sunday at 12:23 AM @ProfD well her death is convenient in that sense, but glad she has those who still follow her thinking positively. This is the economic corner, build more isn't a goal. How many more Black businesses do you want to see? The answer can't be infinite, can't be everywhere overwhelming, the USA is not a black country nor are the nonblacks absent the means to harm/destroy black business. If you can't give a count, what about a percentage? What percentage of business in the usa do you need Black business to increase as? What percentage of Black business in the usa do you want to increase to? Present goals. Posted Monday at 04:38 AM @ProfD On 10/26/2025 at 7:54 AM, ProfD said: Words of wisdom do not die. and lies tend to live at the fountain of youth On 10/26/2025 at 7:54 AM, ProfD said: Black financial institutions can extend favorable lines of credit to Black start-up businesses in every major Black cities around the country. Once successful, we can diversify into other types of businesses too i.e. investments. I see your goal now. At the moment, in 2025 more black investment firms exist than in decades past, maybe in the history of the usa , or the european colonies preceding so from a mere growth perspective black owned financial instutitions are growing, are greater in quantity now than ever before. So, your goal is for the current growth of black owned financial instutitions: investment firms, credit unions, banks, to expand ... at a rate never known in the history of the usa... Ideally possible, the problem with the expanse your speaking of is it needs something money can't buy. Belief, Love ... in the usa. circa fifty million black people in the usa today, don't have a lot of inspiration. COMMENT @Chevdove they always have, if you look at black people complaining about other black people it started in the 1800s from the most well off black people complaining that black people not well off had some erroneous behavior. This is why MLK jr for all of his nonviolence, for his nepobaby upbringing, was never made head of the southern black leadership conference, because he comprehended that black fiscal poor majority in the black populace in the usa have a financially inequal situation in the usa, built over centuries, that financially can not be deemed irrelevant. People talk about money but then want to disregard financial advantage whites have. @ProfD question, do you think our enslaved forebears should had children? based on your words, they shouldn't have wanted to bring children into this world far more than any other black people. And I do think it is a convenience if you suggest they were not able to choose to do so. My question is about their intent not ability. no a war between usa and china will have many boots on the ground, many boots. Remember, the wars the usa has fought since the end of the russian/usa armistice wars were never against a nuclear power. this is why , the usa will not put boots on the ground for ukraine. it isn't because the usa can't but the inevitable clash on the ground will swallow ukraine and lead to a true war, not these larg skirmishes the usa has with iraq/afghanistan/kosovo and company do you honestly think the usa which has mostly white people in it, will have most black people not working for white firms thank you for this quote. Pioneer at times speaks about black people with such a disdain, it bends historical reality. If a homeless black child with only the clothes on their back reads pioneers words they will think they can walk into a town where no blacks exist, or a town of mostly whites like nyc, and through their intelligence own every business , own all the land, in the town and non blacks will simply have succumbed to the intellectual powers of themselves just some clearly brilliant strategy. thank you again. I have said it before, Black History throughout humanity from the late 1400s to today is not simple. It isn't something for a financial ledger, this is complicated. It isn't failure and your wrong or failure and your stupid. I can speak for my bloodline and say, I had multiple business owners in my bloodline and things were not and are not a simple matter of out chessing non blacks. @Pioneer1 It is interesting you don't use the word powerful, you use smart, like a chessboard game, not power, which is why Black descended of enslaved are here. war is why, war is about power. intelligence has value but it is a bloody mess. A bullet can come from anyone. What makes you think intelligence can stop a bullet from a fool ? 7/11 is a japanese firm, it isn't indian, anyone can open up 7/11 s and from my eyes, 7/11s aren't the most popular convenience stores among black people. did you know black people in the usa were still enslaved to whites in the 1970s? Alice wasn't alone. you make black history in the usa like a fantasy. for the record, war is the way whites europeans did it and it worked pretty well from them everywhere in humanity. Cause those other ways you talk about don't get the same results as war based on current human history. I know people in many non black immigrant communities. I have not heard them speak of themselves as powerful. If anything I have heard of them pleading for whites to be nice to them. White jews are white people, they do not count. They are part of the white collective that enslaved black people , which is war. White asians did use war, Japan was the only non white european imperial power during the first two imperial white european wars yes? china is a nuclear power, the tides of immigration into the usa that occured after they became a nuclear power is based on that. India is a nuclear power, the indian government never signed the non proliferation treaty, and their immigration into the usa has only strengthened since then. Why do you think north korea/iran are doing it? why do you think israel already did it ? you think gaining a nuclear weapon isn't about war. And yes, once a country has a nuclear weapon it changes the status of that country and their citizens all over the world. that is why Iran wants one so bad, you would call iran stupid and they should focus on tricking the usa. MY COMMENT @ProfD Yeah and humanity couldn't exist today. The blunt truth is, if every human being in a disfavorable situation chose to abstain from procreation, humanity wouldn't exist. I argue based on human history that the shouldn't have children if in disfavorable situation: enslaved/serf/refugee/or similar applies to most of the parents in human history so... it whlle I comprehend the logic you state which i heard other black people as well as non black people state before, it is an unnatural position based on human history. your correct, no one knows the timing or the tools or the rules. I gamble the timing or tools or rules will be different. But... I think your rules gamble is a better bet. usa/china at the moment is more likely to become another global proxy war, like USa/USSR where the pair use others to avoid a straight confrontation. That will definitely allow nuclear avoidance and keep their involvement a tool based on while as in the third white european imperial war, most call the cold war, the militaristically lesser countries involved take on huge losses in lives that aren't touted as war losses between the two major powers, though in function they are. Have you checked out the american revolution series from PBS which I posted? https://aalbc.com/tc/events/week/2025-11-21/?id=7 I ask because as like the vietnam war documentary or the civil war documentary or the jews in the holocaust documentary. Burns team don't allow philosophy to go over truth. I even argue that from the declaration itselfpeople in the usa have tried to have philosophy go over truth. Not to undo truth or speak lies but the emphasis is a hopefulness. For me, your opening statement in the phrase displays it fully. Interdependence does not absolve humans from personal responsibility and accountability... is a more elegant way of saying, collectivism is not greater than individualism. And individualism for me is the heart of statian/of the usa philosophy. When a black person says I got mine get yours, that is individualism. It isn't suggesting a black person doesn't comprehend the collective situation but they are placing greater value in the individual power or role. When a black or non black person says slavery was legal, that is individualism. It isn't suggesting enslavement is good or positive but whatever is under the law at a given moment allows an individuals passions or drive to act. When an immigrant today says I came to the USA to work, that is individualism. It isn't suggesting they aren't breaking a law, or are welcomed by the people in the usa or are faithful to the country they left, it is saying that an individual actions are more important than a collectives laws[the laws in the usa ] , average intent [the people in the usa ]or average perspective[the people in the country they left] And the rest of your argument makes ,to me, logical sense, if you accept that initial point. The same goes to pioneer. Pioneers position starts with , no black individual or group has any external reason in modernity/today to be hindered. Once you start there the rest of pioneer's points make perfect sense. And as I have said, i think the black populace in the usa has always had this battle over collectivist and individualist, lets be blunt, the black people who fought for the creation of the usa were ardent individualist. from the over ninety percent of black people enslaved to the public proclamations of non blacks fighting to cede from the english empire, no collective reason exist to support the founding of the usa BUT an individualist reason does exist. The usa at its infancy stated to nonblacks, specifically whites christian european males, that they have an individual freedom no matter the collective situation and the blacks who supported the usa saw in that the potential for expansion to all individuals. the black people who fought against the creation of the usa were ardent collectivist. The number of black people that whites colonist stopped from joining the english is testament to that. It isn't that the english aren't enslavers or like blacks, but the collective good of black people in the english colonies which most black people knew would happen if england won and in parallel the collective horror of black people in the english colonies which most black people knew would happen if england lost was the reasoning. And i cheap hindsight the black people who fought against the creation of the usa were correct. As a historical note, one thing the documentary made me give greater value to is the variance of whites in the english colonies. Quietly, the english colonies were already not english. what do I mean? The english error was that, they thought in terms of being english but the english colonies were already "white" not english or german or french or spanish or russian but "white" . The english didn't comprehend the identity of the coloist wasn't englishman with non english. it was in the modern vernacular, white people. Yes, the wealthiest were english, anglicans right. but the overall white populace was already not english, and the proof today is most white americans are actually german americans not anglo americans. so yes english is the language and anglophilia is strong but white culture in the usa isn't english. And that is where the english empire made the mistake which is why after the usa they ended enslavement and made the commonwealth culture, which was designed to widen the identity of being english in the same way the usa was born with a "white" identity. The lesson is a mixed peoples culture even if you haven't labeled them is real once it manifest. I think in parallel, the modern USA is going through a similar reality. The immigrant populace of the usa today has become a multiracial body that is only human, not white or black or christian or muslim or latino or anglo or sino ... they are only united in being human +individuals. The white populace of the usa can embrace a white collectivism which includes today white women, white asians, white latinos, white muslims, which extends from the origin of the usa who believe in individualism, but have a collective tinge based on phenotype. but said white populace is having a problem with the modern immigrant block stemming from the immigration act of 1964 , which includes whites/blacks/transgenders/females/old/chinese/arabs/nigerians/jamaicans/and all, who equally believe in individualism but embrace a human collectivism over any branch in humanity and that is being exposed in the presidencies or Schrumpt the mayoralty of Mamdani... But both of them represent growing factions that are willing to split over ideas. and that is where even hochul, a woman, shows the role of individuals or small groups in between the Old Wnite and the New Rainbow. I think DOSers and Indigenous people are the two primary smaller groups , not in the whites, not in the modern immigrant. But as in the past, need to make careful choices. In the past both of those groups went against the white colonist and supported the english which led to failure. I can't say whether it is wiser as a group to support the modern immigrants or white nationalists , I think some individuals in the Black Descended of enslaved have already decided who they will support in the coming internal war in these statian lands, however that war manifest. COMMENT @ProfD Plus, maintain themselves as they are limited in reach. the so called cold war didn't happen because the usa + ussr wanted to maintain a balance of power over the rest, it happened because the usa couldn't afford to continue a war against an honest opponent, the usa at the end of the second white imperial war, world war 2, were logistically at a limit and the ussr didn't have the nuclear option. IT wasn't strategic desire from either as much as logistical demand. My reason for suggesting a proxy war between china + the usa isn't that they will be in strategic league with each other which is your wordings allusion. Modern China was born from global imperialism, people forget china at the time before maos' ascendence had been dominated not just by White European powers but the usa + japan so many chinese and I Argue most view outsiders no matter who they are , including fellow asians, including fellow people not white european , as untrustworthies based on their near, 1900s , history. China militaristically seems to be very wary of the kind of imperialism the usa has. They still know what full blown imperialism is and don't want it. They want resources but they don't want an alliance system that the european countries like to do. The chinese I argue are like a true nuclear powered japan. the japanese don't kill others in japan but they don't care for others really, they like visitors or tourists but not immigrants. China is the same, they don't mind visitors at all but not immigrants. The USA has been looking for a replacement for the ussr since the end of the commonly called cold war. so , between the USA's desire and China's resource need alongside the chinese lack of global ambitions, I can see a proxy but it will not be as potent as against the ussr. I argue the better bet for what the usa want which will serve china better is a proxy war between the European Union and Russia. In that way the usa + china can not be publicly labaled the active parties while fueling either side. So many black people in the usa talk about dubois when younger's double mind /perspective philosophy. but , I argue, black people do it to ourselves, by how we speak. I do wish I comprehended why black people who clearly in their discourse favor individualism, always say what I just quoted you as saying. why? I don't see any shame in individualism. I think of ida be wells, harriet tubman, FRederick douglass, web dubois when younger, booker t washington, marcus garvey, that period. So many in that period in their personal lives had an individualism, but were so wary of saying to other black people to just fend for themselves. I know many people in the black populace in the usa love the middle ground thinking. That is how many have tried to keep black homes alive when one son wants to go to harvard and the other son wants to kill whites. But, I wish you would admit it is. It is the next step. and I don't see any shame. Do I concur? no. But, I comprehend your individualism. I do. But, why try to suggest the village is more. I think that is where many black people go dysfunctional. Personal Accountability, yes, but t has borders. the one flaw in your analogy is any... most sports teams in modernity , whether winning or not, are a collective of individuals who have willingly chosen to work together. That is a key difference. When you look at the black populace in NYC, as the cheapest example I can give. yes, the black populace in NYC is a collective, yes the black populace in NYC is a collective of individuals BUT the black populace in NYC isn't a collective of individuals who chose to work together. some in that collective have chosen to work together. That is a huge element profd, that ruins your analogy. This goes back to what I meant about the million man march. The million man march had a collective of black individuals WHO CHOSE to work/come together. The million man march was the sports team, not the black populace in the USA. And agan, you mention music. Then you fully well know, that a band is not just a collection of individuals, they CHOOSE to be together. And what happens when one band member doesn't choose to work together anymore, regardless of the reason , they leave the band. You can not say blacks or non blacks choose to be together. collectives of individuals, but they don't choose. when a black child is born, right now, they are an individual in a black collective, but they haven't chosen to work with anyone. You like many black people give whites more credit than they deserve. Alot of circumstances, and alot more unadmitted luck, are part of their journey, like all human groups, which I wish non white europeans would admit more in discourse . you make them too machiavellan, that isn't them, they wish it was them. Maybe black people, especially many or most in the usa, wish black people were that machiavellan, but that never happens in reality. No group is ever that organized, not even the falsely praised by many white jew, ala their history. The creation of the usa alone proves this. If France didn't get involved the way they did the usa never happens. And the usa didn't force france of that time to do anything. France made choices. Governments do all the time, and it always plays out someway. Look at Cuba. Cuba should be looking like somalia. Yes, Fidel made choices, Cuban citizens made choices. but the bay of pigs could had led to fidel being murdered. Maybe an assasin could had killed fidel. Maybe a general could had played the benedict arnold. these little things are not just choices but luck. And thank you... thinking on our discourse I comprehend now why black people like you say what I quoted penultimately. But your wrong, whites don't do individualism + collectivism together cohesively. No one does. That is why humanity is as it is now. Most groups in humanity don't allow individualism thus people leave groups and come to the one government that embraces individualism over collectivism, the usa. But, the usa as the white populace in it has always proven, from the founding to the war between the states to modernity, don't do collectivism well. Too many Black people give non blacks too much credit, maybe cause of envy or frustration at our situation or a mix of both. I argue kemet had the best collectivism, thousands of years in a continual culture, but they had luck too, the tools in humanity were not as plentiful, in parallel, once the age of true rulers of the nile ended, conciding with the era of tools:) kemet was never the same. kemet required a technological naivety that they saw end with the hellenistic age and the growing white european power which is all about tools use. COMMENT @ProfD well all philosophies have a positive or negative element. Individualism at its core is anti collective. Collectivism at its core is anti individual. for me, individualism doesn't have to be to the betterment of any collective in the same way collectivism doesn't have to allow for individualism. exactly, the tribes within the black populace are made up of individuals who choose to work together, but not the black populace overall. no they didn't nor did the people who organized the event who were mostly black want them too leave with a plan of action or milestone which is equally important. I will be blunt, if I organize a gathering in NYC for black men to show solidarity, a Black Man March, and the black men show up and show solidarity, then after the event if the black men weren't guided I will say online, cable television, whereever, I am to blame. Cause in my view, I will be to blame. The black men did their part by coming. It was up to me to organize, not them. I called for the gathering, black men in nyc didn't. I did, so I am accountable. I am responsible. They did all they had to do by coming and showing solidarity. all humans have that choice, tribalism has no bounds, ask latinos this past two years:) they have been given a statian lesson in assessing the true quality of your collective, what tribes truly exist and what individuals are looking out for themselves regardless of any group, these past two years. I think it has stunned some:) but they are young, it takes time to gain the experience of the native american or the Black DOSer. I think the coordination of white european wealthy has been supplanted by a level of coordination among the multiracial financially wealthy , this is partly because of china but also the various 1%'s who exist in all countries or all minority populaces in countries, like the DOS whose black wealthy are a clear example, including the haiti's of the world. I will argue, Schrumpft ascendecny is part of this. Whites, especially fiscally poor whites, in the USA who were raised on a quality in white unity in usa realize its gone, they want to get it back but history proves that will fail. Said poor whites were so busy doing everything they could to harm black people in the 1900s, making sure the civil rights act didn't benefit us with as many blockades or harms or similars as possible that fiscally rich whites found a new paradigm of multiracial fiscal wealthy unity, wich is the basis of the global economy, thus why schrumpft is trying to go to a one to one system which will force all the 1%'s in little countries to change as they rely on the global system or protection and products. Your wrong there my friend. Chinese people have no reason to overthrow the chinese government, not one reason. The chinese government absent taking others people, absent enslaving other people, while making selfish individualist all over the world fiscally wealthy for resources or trade deals, is second only to the usa in the true militaristic power field. China has a single party but that party is used to infighting. Whereas the donkeys or elephants are dysfunctional when they infight, leading to no laws and a stuck government, the wings of the dragon/the single party, fight each other but the winners dictate the policy. When you look at Mamdani's mayorality, it reminds me of deng xioping , when he came about he was from a wing of the chinese community party, he side others petitioned polled, made allegiances with important members and he gained the lead role and the strategy changed. China's government is of its people, it isn't in the way the usa likes, it is another model, but it invites activity and grassroots change, just not the way the usa does it. Russia I want to say is complicated. PEople forget russia had two government systems before putin. 1. You had the gorbachev attempt, which I need to study more, to administratively go into a USa style fiscal capitalist system from the soviet USSR system but between president Reagan and Bush and bad luck it fell apart. I am certain gorbachev was right, he wasn't trying to continue the third white european imperial war commonly called the Cold War, but he realized that many russians were looking for a hard move into fiscal capitalism and he comprehended the people of russia weren't ready for that. Gorbachev allowed the breakup of the soviet union with checkoslovakia/poland and others leaving. He helped germany reunite. But internally the oligarchs and others were hammering led by the usa who was probably looking for russia to lose its way completely. The one thing Gorbachev needed was patience and no one had it. The funny thing is 2013 most parts of the former soviet union said the dissolution was a bad thing:) 2. The oligarchal Yeltsin era... I always say, one of the biggest problems with how people outside the usa view the usa's financial success, is most seem to always cut out the raw truths of the first people and the black dosers as mandatory elements of financial success. Whites were able to kill people for land. that is a huge part of wealth in the usa. Harvard and yale have nothing to do with that. enslavement is a huge part of wealth in the usa. it isn't an accident that the usa founders enslaved others while fighting for their freedoms. Fiscal capitalism always requires losers, auto losers, a peoples who can be abused legally, not large enough to overtake the majority but large enough to leech off of. The oligarchs came in and grabbed all the natural resources of russia but they didn't have a first peoples, they didn't have any enslaved populace, so the fiscal capitalism had imbalance. they got their money but the russian majority wasn't prepared for the financial blowback and absent the very large welfare system of the soviets which made it where rent/food/electricity/schooling/healthcare was all taken care of for all. Now under the oligarchs rents/food prices/healthcare costs, everything became a bill, a total opening up of russia as a marketplace, and russia couldn't find enough abusable people to make it work. Chechnya was an attempt but it wasn't enough of them for that, and no new land was available. I never forget telling a russian in the new york city, the problem with russians and most idolizers of the usa is when they look at the usa they see the big buildings of downtown manhattan, or the huge highway systems and forget the many small towns near the mississippi river with no electricity or good running water, they forget the native american reservations or appalachain poor whites who live near toxic or radioactive waste. The usa has never helped all in it, it has always been a place where many are hurt in it, but those who are doing well give it a pass casue the money is so good. The oligarchs didn't have a way to mirror the honest financial assessment of the usa and thus putin. 3. Yes putin has installed himself. but part of putin's strength is the failure of the prior two governments and the reality that russia in the soviet era had better services for the common person in russia. So, putin has that reality. Russians don't want to go back to the oligarchs. they know what the fiscal rich running things is. They hate it. Putin recognizes he has to live long enough to make the change stick,generational. the old soviet model russia doesn't have the resources for, he can't provide that level of welfare. So you say overthrow but into what, you think the usa is a goal? the usa is the best country in the world if one is looking at individual success, but collective success, the usa is the worst in the world. Even whites themselves see this now. ala Schrumpt. it is a rare i do it, but I will defend the usa and say there is only one usa. No other country/government has individualism like it, all other countries/gvernments are managed by a majority collective, the usa is run by a union of individuals, not all fiscally wealthy, it may seem the same but it isn't. The union of individuals in the usa are not connected by money but by individualism, an individualist ruleset. one rule is each individual in humanity is welcome. another rule is any collective can be harmed for the sake of an individual. it is the second rule that many don't want to admit to. It is the black christian alone in the church who opposes the group of blacks trying to enact revenge, it is the rich white man who leeches off of all others. It is the native american who joins the us military while their peers roam the usa as stateless. Individuals are the key, the modern immigrants are all people who left their larger populaces for their individual benefit. COMMENT @ProfD but are they mostly homogenous? I have never lived in either country but I know Russia has gypsies/cossasks/turks/mongolians/chechyans/ and many others not just the descendents of the rus or vandals. They may not be phenotpyically as variant but they are culturally variant. China is mostly han chinese but. the ugyars the tibetans the various south east asian peoples whom the chinese government officially recognizes. Maybe phenotypically similar but are culturally variant. For me the reasons are not because either country is homogenous but that the governmental reasons i stated haha you use sweet words for the usa. I prefer the words the anamoly. and bent rainbow. If anything what the usa is experiencing today/2025 is the first true melting. the usa before was merely a bent rainbow, never really mixing but jumbled in. anyway:) Yes, it has become the most powerful. Alot of that militaristic truth has little to do with its government or its demographic composition and more to do with england's influence in the usa historically, its geography which is underrated by many. the usa borders two oceans, that saved the usa from many conflicts when it didn't have the military to battle anyone. I will be blunt, if the usa was closer to england, it doesn't cede. it is that simple. but barring all the luck and it had a lot. Lastly... that has always been true, remember, the USA at the time of its founding while legally an english domain, was in truth, a white european domain. White europeans not just in england/but in france/spain/portugal/holland/germany/italy all saw the usa as this mythic land , a myth that non whites like yourself perpetuate with your language. France/Portugal/Spain all had domains larger domains but for them, this was a pure money thing. take as much as you can, put it on a boat and send it to europe. England, the parent of the usa, was the one who said lets let whole families of the criminal/poor/wicked of england come to the english north american colonies and once said whites realized all you had to do was kill a native american community and land is yours well... all of europe wanted it. and so all of europes peasants came. When people like you say how so many come to the usa and so few want to leave... as if the usa wasn't really a murdering violent land grab for whites from 1492 to the early 1900s. Hawaii was the last state and its indigenous were killed and their lands were taken. yeah, people do love coming to the usa, ask the native american, they know all about it. And as for the non white europeans who have come more strongly over the years,well traitors really. And humanity is always full of benedict arnolds. so yeah. as for leaving it. The only populace that in majority wanted to leave was Black DOSers and white people wouldn't allow that until the day in which Black people just succumbed to white control. Remember Black people tried hard to leave the usa before the 1900s many times but white people were serious about us not leaving. so please remember, your words make it seem... I admit as one who has tutored black children I realize sadfully that many things black adults say when it comes to our populace are just not adequate for black children to read or hear because they are lies or unevens, which really setup black children to have to relearn later the truth and I despise that. When black people whose parents are business owners say they didn't know certain things about the black populace in the usa, I always think to myself, the parents lied for a reason and when I think you and pioneer and others in this forum in all earnest I comprehend why their parents sounded like you two. I get why. I oppose it and I am thankful my black parents raised me in a house of truth, even if the truth isn't pleasant or convenient. But yeah, the usa is the king country today, without question. And when the usa dies and it will die one day because all things die, there are no exemptions, it will be remembered better than it deserves and the reason why is because what the future will focus on as the future usually does isn't the holistic truth,[this si why people speak of rome the way they do, empires are never remembered for their cruelty, their deliverances of pain, they are remembered all the positives they did which are small drops to the negatives they performed over whole peoples who are dead] it isn't the long history books written by the acolytes or descendents or relations of Richard Murray , no it will be the quaint statements, the quaint positions. And I think the function of the usa is good for all other countries. I call it fidel's law, send the usa your traitors, your schemers, your liars, your beggars, you murderers, your filth. Send the usa all the Me-ist . It is better for communities to get rid of dangerous individualist. COMMENT @Pioneer1 was MLK jr unintelligent? so if slavery never ended then why did you suggest some time in the 1960s was some turning point? yes , war is always the same really. that's humility and intelligence to you, ok:) to bad you don't compehend, maybe one day you will COMMENT @ProfD that isn't true in the usa. 1980 was when slavery ended in the usa. it isn't about the laws it is about the environment. The great tragedy of tulsa in my view is that black people living today will say the black people during tulsa's time were free, but that is freedom? yeah start business, go to college, and at any moment the white populace could wipe you out and every single municipal level from the federal government to tulsa city council would be in on the coverup. that's freedom? we weren't free in our choices. MLK said it best himself. what non humans are you referring to? nonhumans trust nature to do that. they don't do that. I know exactly what happened, in one of my posts posted or one I have set up but haven't had time to share, the chinese government allowed the sale of the extra children illegally, meaning illegal in chinese law like when the usa federal government allows illegal immigration, through traffickers who made a fortunes selling chinese kids to white people all over the world, who were not orphans. The chinese government shut the majority of traffikers down, using some of the biggest offenders as scapegoats, ala madoff in the usa similarly PLUS opening up the child allowance. To me the traffikers made the mistake of thinking this would last forever. that is a foolish hustle to think will last forever. I know that in eastern europe the traffiking of blondes is big to all the rich asians who are looking for.. various things, but they don't go too far, or the governments will step in. The governments already know all the crimes but they all allow certain levels of all crimes under a cap or within some limit. Some chinese traffikers got too greedy, were too confident governments wouldn't step in. @Chevdove Well the issue is centrism. Many, not most, black people want to be centrists. It is the old adage, I married a white woman, went to harvard, live in the hamptons, but I am blacker than black still. Many Black people in the usa, and definitely descended of enslaved fear the internal shame, not external, of being a white agent. The slave revolts prove, most black people have a distrust of black people who have a positive or more positive relationship with whites or the usa but how else can a black person succeed in the usa absent a positive relationship with the usa or whites:) So, it becomes an impossible task. But one many black people venture to, and thus modernity. As I have said in this forum many times, most black people want black betterment but the problem is the intricacies of how said black betterment is defined. As frederick Douglas said, Profd + Pioneer say today. It isn't a new thing. The problem is, nonblack peoples actions have always made it very challenging for a majority of blacks to trust nonblacks or the usa. And absent trust to non blacks or the usa, a black person tryin the middle will never be trusted by most blacks. This is why I try to emphasize black people in tribes do more in those tribes. Cause most in any tribe are similar thinking so the trust is there. If a black atheist goes to a black church it will be very hard to regale on anything. COMMENT @ProfD but black people were enslaved to whites outside the incarceration system in the 1970s, they were forced to breed... ok, you can argue it was illegal by whites at that time but it was happening which ones, i want to know, please educate, cause i don't recall any that do that. hahaha part of me will like to see that scenario, from a distance:) @Pioneer1 I love that you quoted an incomplete statement:) convenient COMMENT @ProfD Alice was in the 1960s. By her own admittance she wasn't alone. The white man who owned her wasn't the only white person acting just like he was. She admitted children and adults were part of the group of enslaved blacks. I don't have photographs or listings to prove. I don't have and will more than likely never have ledger-man what you need to prove the obvious truth. I wish I did have photographs. I don't have the money to perform investigative reporting for all the incidents of slavery in the usa after the civil rights act of 1963, for whichever ones records haven't been completely destroyed by now. Hell, everyone in New York city knows some white jewish women are enslaved to their husbands in 2025. When that latino guy could have three women in a basement and a child that was born from one of his rapes , be discovered circa 2010 or something by the merest chance, not law enforcement work. I know, absent any proof, post Alice in the 1970s other black people were enslaved. I trust the genocide of the usa. I trust the enslavement of the usa. I trust the legal criminality of the usa. I trust the paper trail protecting of crimes of the usa. I trust the true nature of the usa. So to your question, I can provide nothing. Your 100% correct. And as said elsewhere our experiences give us different perspectives. COMMENT @ProfD You know part of how already. The full how requires details , in this case more than likely very lost, even though cases like this have some pattern. Alice's case at the least explains what you already know in part. USA is a very large country geographically, a person with land in a remote place that does enough to sate the taxation or real estate bureaucracy will not be bothered by other municipal agencies unless something like a highway or big project involves said land. Again, Castro proves how very possible this is in 1970s. He kidnapped white women in 2003 to 2004 and kept them till 2014. that is ten years. And these are women who are not born enslaved. And the only reason he got caught was he made a mistake of leaving his door open and it wasn't a test but he forgot and then one went to neighbors with her daughter she had in captivity. Which means that white girl was born enslaved like Alice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Castro_kidnappings In the 1970s NYC had a famous couple of rich white guys who were recluse. Their financial situation was settled so they just lived in a mansion. No one bothered them. The government knew through taxes or et cetera they were there but if they had a child in that house, who would know? Unless someone saw them take a child in and report it , who would know in the 1970s? Today in 2025 I argue it is significantly harder to live unseen so to speak but in 1970s. And I will add, if a white man had a black family and killed them 1975, who would know? He could bury the bodies, countryside will swallow them. He could get old and die and no one will know. If the blacks were born enslaved like Alice, no missing persons. Law enforcement will not suspect or bother a white man in the countryside, unless said white man abducts someone or government needs the land. Enslaved black people , born enslaved, can't read or write, Alice couldn't. All the other black people around her were similar. These weren't black people who were working in a mill or going home from working at a hospital and grabbed and became this, these black people were always enslaved. That is born enslaved which means some poor black woman had a baby enslaved circa 1940s while black people are fighting for the USA during the commonly called world war 2. Alice had to have a mother. If a house is remote enough, a car/boat/train may be heard but not seen. 1970s air travel was far from what it is today. What would enslaved people think an airplane is? If their white master calls it the devil or an angel, how could they prove otherwise, since they are enslaved. The power of people in the usa naysaying or covering negativities concerning the usa aside no proof that can dispel their position. In my life, many Blacks + nonblacks in the usa have one thing in common. They are excusers for the usa and can do it cause so many of their positions have no proof at least easily available. In the vietnam war documentary, soldiers at vietnam admitted they saw fingers of people worn as necklaces, were fired upon by usa air force. Did many missions in cambodia which was supposed to not happen. Saw tons of very negative acts committed to unarmed people. But, no photos, no transcripts. A soldier in that same documentary said he saw no criminal behavior whatsoever from us soldiers. Of course, no one has proof that can dispute him so... To this day in NYC, some people black + nonblack still say Black people burned the bronx, which is a 100% lie. I happen to know for sure that people in the street knew it was whites, I argue white jews since they owned the buildings and reaped the money from insurance. Today most accept it was whites but no proof exist. And many black people in NYC in the 1970s literally believed black people burned their own buildings they lived in, all based on news reporting which itself was based on rigged phone calls or just general negative bias or some agenda. But no proof to anything so... I remember when I told people black towns in the 2000s had no running water. And many didn't believe cause it was just me talking. Showed articles then belief. But to be blunt, the articles didn't have photographs. I bet many people think twenty five years later, no black town like that exist in the usa. they need proof again. And that maintains the cycle of naysaying usa's negativities. You know how. Everybody black in the usa in their minds, where the truth may be covered but never dead or nonexistent, know how. It isn't a pretty tale. Obama was born 1961 which means the real life Black woman Alice is based on was enslaved when Obama future president of the USA was born. Alice was enslaved during the time of the march on washington. MLK jr was pleading for all in the USA to judge by content of character not color of skin while a white man was daily raping a black woman whom was born enslaved.
