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On 4/2/2021 at 7:34 AM, Troy said:
Ok, how far does it go back? Is it hundreds of years as I say or thousands of years as @Pioneer1 says?
Definitely goes back thousands of years!
On 4/4/2021 at 11:51 PM, Troy said:... so why did race only become an issue In the last few hundred years a
mere fraction of a second in the amount of time humans walked the planet
Again, I think the term 'race' is a confusion and maybe that could be why this subject is not fully understood.
Intelligent beings who control this concept know how to manipulate the issue of Colorism and I think for this reason, a lot of humans have issues with Colorism but are in self denial and are just not fully aware of it.
We may not recognize how Colorism has been used to set up caste systems, etc. even amongst the ethnic world.
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On 4/2/2021 at 10:19 AM, Pioneer1 said:
No one can tell a story like you, lol.
@Pioneer1 Thanks a lot! Thank you for taking the time to read it! I can get long winded!
On 4/2/2021 at 10:19 AM, Pioneer1 said:Lol, sounds like something I would say and do!
Like...what the hell did you wake him up from enjoying his sleep just to ask him a question like that could have waiting for the morning!!!
ha! ha! No way!
On 4/2/2021 at 10:19 AM, Pioneer1 said:What was it about that particular statement that seemed to piss you off?
Was it the implication that him being Black meant he was good at "breaking in" buildings or something?Yes!
On 4/2/2021 at 10:19 AM, Pioneer1 said:You just go over the border to Canada and you won't see this because the government doesn't allow it.
No way! Really!?
On 4/2/2021 at 10:19 AM, Pioneer1 said:I forgot whether you said so or not but you should become an author, you seem to have a good memory and write with clear detail.
Thanks again! I am thinking about it.
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White Girl Black Girl Exploits —Stereotyping
Although this past experience may not seem to have a dramatic effect when it comes to race relations and prejudices, however, for some reason, it seems to have a lingering affect for me. Because of this particular time in my life years ago, I still ponder the question sometimes of whether it would be wrong or right to believe in stereotypes and how does this correlate to racist beliefs or preconceived notions. This question revolves around a brief friendship I made with a past co-worker, a White girl named Bethany and how we interacted at work and with others. And based upon some of what I observed, I also sometimes wonder if she too was both a perpetrator and a victim of some form of prejudice and stereotyping herself.
Years ago, one day, I applied for and was happily hired as a waitress in a well-known restaurant chain in a small suburban area with a small-town atmosphere. But initially and unexpectedly, it proved to be a stressful experience to say the least. Due to unfortunate circumstances in my life at that time, my husband and I fled to this little township in North Carolina for refuge and relief from stressful family conflicts. To our extended family’s dismay, I had decided to temporarily leave my career so that I could be a-Stay-at-home-Mom and for this reason, I was severely persecuted. One of the reasons I made this choice was due to my own childhood experiences of being a latch-key-kid. I did not want my children to endure some of the inner pain and experiences that I had endured as a result of being left alone and all that goes along with being the product of a broken family. But again, because of my decision, I was pursued and therefore, fled to North Carolina. However once there, I knew that I would not be able to remain completely an at-home Mom. So, I applied for a part-time job to help support my family. I leaned how to fill out job applications that downplayed my higher education and so, I was elated when I was finally hired at a restaurant. But my joy was abruptly turned into stress. Right away, I was made to understand that I was in competition with the only other Black girl on the job ant it became obvious that she was the top choice. I was eerily informed that race relations were paramount in this small town. I learned quickly that if you were Black, to know one's place was key to being able to avoid hardship. So, when I arrived on the first evening shift, I was made to know that the other Black waitress was hired on the day shift because she was well liked. And I was abruptly snubbed and put in the worst seating section 1, an area where almost no customers were seated. At first, I thought I was doomed because I had no experience. However, as the empty night dragged on with no customers to serve, I decided that I would not give up. So, I began to 'bust tables' for other servers and although I received no tips, I continued to go from table to table with a bucket and cleared off all of the dishes after the customers left. But an even better opportunity came for me when I had witnessed another waitress in distress, and I seized this opportunity. It was Bethany and I thought that if I made friends with her, then perhaps it would be beneficial.
Bethany was assigned to the second worse section 2 of which during the weekdays especially, customers were not seated very often. However, had it not been for her complaints and hearing her cry out in anger, I would not have known that she was being deliberately targeted and ill-treated. It was clear that night that the other more favored waitresses did not like Bethany at all and even today, I have no idea why. She had been a waitress before, however, this was her first night on this job. She previously knew some of the workers, however. Bethany was in her mid-thirties, married, a brunette and had a nice build. She was curvier than the other girls and I thought well, could they be jealous? Anyway, at the end of the night, I heard her cry and pace back and forward in disdain, and when I asked her what was wrong, she told me that they gave her all of the worse ‘closing duties’ because they wanted her to quit. I noticed the other servers’ haughty expression as well. Bethany was told to pull out the heavy and bulky booths and to vacuum behind them and she was given the duty to clean the bathrooms. She was furious and complained to me that she could not move those booths by herself. Unlike the other girls, she was much smaller than they and I was the smallest. I wore a size 7/8 uniform and she was about a 9/10. But quickly, I said to her, “don’t cry, I will help you.” So, we both went through the whole dining room and with much effort, we both moved the booths, vacuumed and then pushed them back against the walls. Then I followed her to the bathrooms, and she showed me how to clean them by standard. Nevertheless, even though I had made a friend and bought time for a few more nights in section 1 and due to my willingness to push and shove booths, however, I was still not well received. So, to my misery, one night I came in and walked directly to the white board on the wall where section assignments were listed for the week and my name was completely erased. My heart fell. I went back home and for about an hour, I just sat in the dark and cried. After a while, I decided not to give in. I thought, “They could have at least let me know professionally.” So, I decided to go back and write a note to the head manager. I wrote that I was not given an assignment for the week and requested that I be put back on the board. I also decided to say a few words to the two night shift cooks while I was there. To my surprise, the next day when I called in to inquire, I was indeed put back on the board and not only that, but I was assigned to work in better sections! It would be months later though, that I realized it was the two cooks, two African American men, that spoke in my favor!
I eventually learned that the Black girl on day shift was unable to keep her job due to many absences. So, although she was very experienced and well liked, she was let go. But, even before her ill-fate, however again, I later came to learn that the real reason why it was decided to put me back on the schedule was due to the two Black cooks, Rick and Maurice. They were well liked on the job and well, they liked me! Michelle, the manager was not willing to piss off two of her three cooks. So, because of those two cooks, Bethany and the other waitresses that were later hired, therefore, my brief experience as a waitress came to be one of the most incredible times of my life. I will never forget another unfortunate day that an older White couple complained to me that their steak dinner was not cooked as they had liked. I made the mistake and wrote the wrong temperature for their steak. I messed up a steak order! I thought I was doomed and would not receive a tip. Everyone wishes to fill the order of a steak dinner because that almost ensures a good tipping customer. I ran back in the kitchen and sunk. I had to reorder the dinner, and I thought that Maurice was going to be angry with me. He looked at me with a straight face and said nothing. Shoot. But to my surprise, when I went back out on the floor to again apologize, I felt a warmth behind me. . . The couple looked over my shoulder and I noticed that they smiled. I turned and . . . It was Maurice! He came out of the kitchen to greet the couple and personally let them know that he would get their order right! He saved my tip!
I was eventually promoted and switched to the day shift of which meant better tips. However, prior to that day, for months I came to enjoy the night crew because we became a tight group. And it was Bethany that made the cohesion. We were the closing crew and Bethany offered rides home and so, she would pile us all up in her jeep and give us all rides to our homes. But it was one of these night rides home that has left a long-lasting impression on my mind about Bethany and the subject of Stereotyping. One night, I told her, nervously, to hurry and drive me home. I had both sets of keys to my apartment and my husband would be locked out. We left later than usual after closing that night and so, I pressed Bethany to take me home quickly. I told her that my husband at times can have a bad temper and he was going to be angry with me. Then Bethany said to me, “Is he Black?” I said,
“Yes.” Then she tipped her head to the side and said with a matter-of-factly tone,
“Then, he’ll get in.” – --
Well, my mouth dropped open! What!? I was so surprised that I could say nothing! I was in the front passenger seat and turned and looked at her as she drove. I stared at her, quietly. I was hoping that she felt my glare—I was hoping that my glare would make her face burn, so-to-speak. But no, she just kept looking forward and kept driving seemingly as if she had said nothing wrong. Then when she pulled up and parked, I was still hot, but I was torn between her comment and my husband being locked out. We did not see him initially however, I asked Bethany to get out and help me look for him and to help explain why we were late. I thought that if my husband saw my friend stand nearby, then he might not be too upset. So, we both got out of the jeep and walked up to the door. The door was locked. I unlocked it and slowly opened the door. Oh no! I looked at Bethany in surprise! She shrugged her shoulders and brisk past me and walked down the hallway to the kitchen and study room where we usually go after work to listen to music together and hang out. I heard this LOUD, LOUD SNORING! My husband was obviously upstairs in the room sleeping his head off! How did he get in? I wondered. I ran up the stairs and into the room and roused him. His arms were folded across his chest. He came to and slowly sat up and looked at me. Then he stood up. So, I said,
“Okay! The door was locked. How did you get in!?” He wrinkled his forehead and look at me sideways and said,
“Oh girl, please.” Then he grabbed my shoulders and sat me aside and walked off to the bathroom. I slowly marched downstairs, went into the kitchen where Bethany was sitting. She had no expression on her face. Then we did our usual and listened to music. …
A couple of months later, Bethany was fired and for no apparent reason. She was very distraught, and I was depressed for weeks and felt very lonely at work. I missed her and I missed how much fun we had. We still visited each other but it was not the same as when we were altogether with our closing crew. Shortly thereafter, I was promoted and switched to day shift and I made friends with other girls. But Bethany remained my best friend. The management never liked Bethany for some strange reason. Was she persecuted for being with ‘the Black crew!?’ So, they split up the night crew! –Which was probably a blessing in disguise because Maurice had begun to pursue me and call me at home! Like Bethany, I am a Christian and although I adored Maurice and Rick and, Maurice was especially handsome, however, no one could ever replace my husband. And then a few months later, we had to leave that little town because of the persecution that came by way of our family. But every now and then, I think back to those times and I still wonder about how our society has created such strange dynamics based on stereotypes and racism. Was Bethany wrong in her beliefs? I remember her frustration and how she explained that she had taken her son out of public school and put him in a private school because of the unruly ‘Black’ child that was given a sense of entitlement to be disruptive in the classroom. What about the well-behaved Black children that were also victims of that same disruption? Can a financially struggling Black parent come up with funds to put their child in a private school and guarantee that their child would be free from other forms of racially motivated bad behavior, excused bad behavior, and a sense of entitlement to be disruptive and racist against Black students?
Sometimes, I think that anyone could potentially be both a victim and perpetrator of this strange phenomena called racism and Colorism. I have come to believe too that exploitations by way of the government helps to shape race relations and how we may sometimes unknowingly succumb to superficial beliefs. I remember recently when in Florida, my husband and I waited for hours for the management to come and unlock the broken gate to the indoor storage building. And while we stood there, this older White man walked up to the gate, keyed in his code and realized the gate was jammed. Then he turned and looked at us for a brief moment, put down his backpack and then he put both hands on the gate and jerked it off its track and it came open. Then, he smiled, threw his backpack on his back and walked in! The next day we went back to the same storage building and an Hispanic woman completely disregarded the sign which stated not to prop the gate open because it would cause a malfunction. She took a stick and propped the gate open, got back in her truck, backed into the passageway and took her time moving her boxes in and out of the gateway. Go figure!
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On 3/13/2021 at 10:49 AM, Pioneer1 said:
Amorites = Emori (what they called themselves)
Yes, I absolutely agree! Years ago, my sons pediatrician name was Emejuru, and there are many other variation that define certain African names that stem from just what you wrote EMORI! But that is the key' 'Emori' would mean a Moorish origin but not 'Amori' at the time that the term MOORS became a common term.
Today the word 'Amorite' would not be used, however, the ancient Canaanite or Phoenician script was amazing and based on the context and also the time period, the vowels identified Colorism. The Ancient Amorites were obsessed with Colorism and their history is marked by this issue.
Again though, it is the time period that is crucial too. But for example at one point Baal mean white but Bel or 'Beelzebub' meant black 'lord of the flies', etc.
Bel worship defined Black people but after the downfall of Neo-Babylon, the term Bel came to exclusively mean 'white' and therefore the term Baal became obsolete.
Another example 'LEON', 'Cleops', 'Geo', 'Etheop' ... associated with the color bronze and LION, IONIA, was the opposite and in association with Hellenes [white Greeks]
Another example would be 'Hittites' versus 'Heth' [the Children of Heth]...
So, the Amorites or, the Original Amorites were not white but the Romans are descendants of them. At the time of the Roman Empire, the Original Amorites would be an obsolete term. By that time, the 'Blacks' that were associated with the Romans by ancestry would be known by other terms.
On 3/13/2021 at 10:49 AM, Pioneer1 said:Eventually after numerous fights with the Israelites, Persians, Assyrians, ect....these Amorites/Emori left their original home of Canaan and went down into Egypt and into parts of North Africa and eventually became known as the Moors (Amoor/Black-a-Moor).
I agree, however, the Roman Empire rulers were White and their forces were filled with thousands and thousands of 'Moors', Pirates, Numidians, Carians, Thracians, etc. Not all of the 'Original Phoenicians' [Moors] left that region. As I said earlier, Syria's origins are the White Canaanite/Amorites--Romans. Julius Caesar's lineage reveals this and all of the rulers of the Roman Empire are connected to that Matrilineal system of Syria--THE DRUZES--Bee Hive culture of White, Blonde-haired, Blue-eyed women. That is why Syria was the first country that set up the Roman tax system that of the Roman decree.
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On 3/13/2021 at 1:36 PM, Troy said:
Pioneer Has already admitted he would rather be living right now than in 1821. So I ask you given everything that you have written and no would you rather live in 1821 or today?
@Troy Right away, when I think about 1821, I think about 1807 being the year that Chattel Slavery was outlawed in UK and America... my ancestor was brought over here in the 1840s via British Slave Ship. Then, I jump to now, and my mind immediately contemplates the many 'very young' Black males railroaded into a prison cell where they are raped by other men--no chance to choose to be males or homosexuals--I think about Black men being systematically effeminized and the reality that we, as AFrican American DOS existed in a Matriarchal system where the Queen of Europe has been the head of our government for hundreds and hundreds of years... I think about how the priesthood has been loathed for so long and now, we Black women run the show, and assist in this effeminization of the Black males because, some of us don't want to see our sons hurt and some of us 'have other reasons'...
So for me, well, I don't feel that I should have to be the one go be sacrificed or martyred that was already done and because the Civil Rights Movement achieved that already, but nevertheless, @Troy when I think about that question, My third and next thought(s) and question(s) in return would be, 'Is this living!?' What about choosing death as an option? Give me liberty or give me death. I would rather not live in 1821 nor 2021. I am not happy to exist in this humanity at all.
You will never see an apex animal like male lions having sex with another male lion, not even in captivity and humans are suppose to be higher!? The effeminization of Black African males is pre-meditated. That is what I think about going on now, in 2021. It is deliberate.
On 3/16/2021 at 4:01 PM, Troy said:I'm sure @Chevdove is capable of giving an honest response.
Oh yes. lol.
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On 3/13/2021 at 10:31 AM, Pioneer1 said:
if MORE AfroAmerican men are dying in 2020 from Black-on-Black homicide than in 1820 from lynching...that still means thing were WORSE in 2020 than in 1820 for AfroAmerican men despite the methods used.
Yeah!--That is painful--a painful reality in some sense, especially because we are still under a White dominant system! And, even though this may seem off topic, but this can be viewed from a much wider standpoint as well--even about what the news portrays in Africa as well. The Colonial Empire, imo, has a bearing on some of the conflicts over there too--TRADE RELATIONS, unfair trade, etc.
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On 3/13/2021 at 10:40 AM, Pioneer1 said:
Exactly.
There are reports back in 1500 BC of Aryans invading the Indus Valley region and setting up a race-based system of oppression based on the color of one's skin with the White Brahmans being on top and the Black Dravidians being considered "Untouchables".
1500 B.C!!!!!!
Oh yes! @Pioneer1 Absolutely.
On 3/13/2021 at 1:42 PM, Troy said:Who was?
@Troy Just like the broad definition under the governmental term of 'Americans' setting up racism, the focus I suppose would not be 'the government' but the kind of people that infiltrated the government and set up racism, not only in America but in so many other governments in the past. Not all 'Americans' were part of setting up racism. Not all 'Europeans' were part of setting up racism. Not all 'European Americans' were part of setting up racism. It is the infiltrators that have done this in the past and present. Oh yes, and not only 'White people' were part of setting up the system of Colorism as well!
On 3/13/2021 at 1:42 PM, Troy said:OK, again who did the white people in American learn racism and the idea that Black people subhuman and inferior to white people?
Well, before 'White people' that set up our government here came to be called American, they were Europeans and there is a long, long history there! That European history goes way back in time and, this strange belief in White Supremacy was adopted by many different kinds of people, not just Europeans, Europe was the spring board; so-to-speak.
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WOW! Great post!
So there is a movie about Aretha Franklin.
... Olympic speed skater. Interesting!
Sky diver... amazing.
Loving this, however, the killing of those Asian women is very bad and it's good to know that this too is being addressed.
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On 3/26/2021 at 12:30 PM, Troy said:
#aalbcneeds100pioneers
Awesome!
On 3/28/2021 at 8:34 AM, Pioneer1 said:...and maybe Chevdove,lol.
She's so nice and polite I'd be VERY curious as to what she may have done to earn your wrath.If you banned @Delano-
Lol, I'd ask you what TOOK you so long!LOL! @Pioneer1 Thank you! But then too, I try to be cordial, however, I feel as an AFrican American sometimes dealing with 'racial' issues here in America, it can get controversial!
Oh no! Not Delano! No way! LOL. He offers a lot!
On 3/28/2021 at 4:59 PM, Troy said:I did not, nor have I ever considered banning Chevdove.
@Troy Thanks!
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On 3/30/2021 at 8:22 PM, Guest Cheryl Fitts said:
As a former special education teacher in South Carolina public schools, I know first hand the trials of young Black males deemed Emotionally Disabled and placed in special education classrooms.
Yes, this is very sad and it's been happening for so long. My husband speaks about his experience a lot!
He says that he was blocked from being put in a Special Ed classroom because of a teacher and had it not been for her, he was definitely slated for that fate.
And, I don't see this getting any better for certain reasons, one of which is 'human competition' and another is preparedness, imo.
the learning environment is so competitive and so many cultures here in America fight to get into the best classrooms and in front of the best teachers, and it seems to me, that young Black males are being replaced in large numbers for various reasons and yes, it seems that the term 'Emotionally Disabled' is the main reason.
I think that other cultures prepare their children and African Americans may not realize 'as a whole' how competitive the educational system can be. But another major issue, for me, would be content! I can't believe what is being taught today! I am very frustrated. I strongly believe that if Black males were exposed to a better curriculum at a young age, the outcome would be amazing--I know this first hand!
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On 2/18/2021 at 4:01 PM, Pioneer1 said:
When you say the Syrians...are you talking about the Assyrians or Original Syrians?
I ask, because I thought the Original Syrians WERE Arameans.
When I refer to 'Syrians' it would have to be in context because that could mean both the Assyrians or the Original Syrians.
Because the Assyrians were Separatist based on Colorism and White Supremacy, the word 'Syria' can be a confusion unless it is regarded within context of the subject at hand.
The Original Syrians come from the very same origin as the Assyrians, however they became two distinct ethnic groups by the time of the height of the Greater Babylonian Empire back in the 2000s BC.
The Syrians were 'the Brown 'race' of people!
The Syrians formed their cultures in South Syria.
The Arameans and the Syrians are two totally different kinds of people.
But all of them, the Assyrians, the Syrians and the Arameans have a major history in the country of Syria.
The Assyrians formed their civilization to the North of the Syrians that they separated from.
One 'GENERAL SOURCE' I will refer to and that is the Bible:
Abraham was told to break off from his father Terah, because Terah bonded with the Assyrians. So Abraham later broke off from his father when he became older for this reason and his grandson, Jacob bonded with the SYRIANS in South Syria for this reason.
The EBERS [ie. Hebers] were divided on this Assyrian White Supremacist movement. And Terah was involved in that Moon goddess--White woman fertility cult in Assyrian that Nefertiti later came out of hundreds of years later.
Abraham was told by God to break off from his father for this very reason WHITE SUPREMACY.
In the Book of ACTS, the Jews stoned Stephen for bringing up this very issue. Abraham was born in Ur of the Chaldees and at this time when he was very young,
the Creator told him to break off from his father. Terah fled Ur due to violence and resettled with the Assyrians in North Syria.
Terah lived in Greater Babylon at the time that the Cush Hamites began to enslaved their own people.
Abraham [ie. Abram] maternal origins are linked to RAM. But his half-sister Sarah [ie. Sarai] had maternal origins with THE MEDES [ie Madai or the People of AI]. Abraham's maternal origins stems from a Black woman of Ur of the Chaldees.
The Syrian culture was formed at this time. So the term 'Ur' is the key in that out of Greater Babylon, there were so many different kinds of 'Urian cultures' of ethnic peoples that came out of this massive civilization after it was eventually overthrown. They Syrians' name 'SHUR' actually refers to their origins too from Greater Babylon. Then their were the HURIANS in Turkey Anatolia of which many of these people migrated or were forced marched to other places, one of which was Africa...
The Aramean history is massive! But they are a distinct people apart from the Syrians and the Assyrians.
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On 2/18/2021 at 4:01 PM, Pioneer1 said:
Now this gets into what I'm reading about......
How much do you know about these "Neo-Babylonians"???
Persians are an ethnic group.
Medes are an ethnic group.My recent research on "Babylonians" is running into a few obstacles because Babylon (actually Bab'il) was a city occupied by multiple racial/ethnic groups and I'm having a time trying to nail down exactly WHO the Babylonians were around that 500 B.C. era.
Chaldeans maybe, but that sounds more like a tribe or clan within a larger group.
Ah!!! @Pioneer1 That's it!
The Chaldeans!!!
The Chaldeans of Cush Ham. They are the dudes, the Sumerians that overthrew the Assyrians. And yes, again, they were a small tribe oppressed in the Assyrian Empire, but they are the ones that overthrew the Assyrians and set up the Neo-Babylonian Empire.
Chal--ROOT WORD
Chalcol
Chalcolithic
Chalcidice
Cal
Kali... Laki, Loki,
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On 2/18/2021 at 4:14 PM, Pioneer1 said:
But the Assyrians [ie White Syrians] formed late
Ok, so the Assyrians were the White Syrians?
Assyrians = White Syrians?
I just want to confirm and put a check next to that so I can continue.Yes! Assyrians = White Syrians [Asshur Shem]
On 2/18/2021 at 4:14 PM, Pioneer1 said:Ok, now WHO was running Babylon by the time of around 500 BC?
Around the time when Jews were allegedly being held captive in Bab'il....was it the Assyrians/ "white Syrians" still, or another group primarily in charge of Bab'il?
500 BCs
Again, I need to actually refer in detail to answer this question, but I will try now:
Prior to the fall of the Assyrian Empire, part of their captives were NEGROES [Black African-typed people] that they tried to keep a tight reign on because these Negroes were historically powerful and were generally known to be tall, black typed Cush Ham typed men and also another dominant group were the Negroes of Israel [NORTHERN ISRAEL] known as the Ten Tribes [ie Joseph] and both of these groups were oppressed under the Assyrians. The Ten Tribes had been overthrown in the 600s bc and they were violently overthrown; skinned alive, tied to oars in ships, dragged and forced marched into Assyrian captivity. The Assyrian forces were the ones to do the job and they were mostly Negroes too, the big huge Canaanites, Syrians [ethnic Syrians--SHUR], etc.
Assyrian overthrow:
The Assyrians were overthrown byway of the Cush Hamites that somehow bonded with other black men, such as Canaanites but they were especially helped byway of the Medes who turned against the Assyrians. The tribe of Cushites that did the job were known in secular books as NABUPOLASSER but after they overthrew the Assyrians, they changed their name. Out of this dynasty came Nebuchadnezzar and he led the attack against the Assyrians. He became famous for his war tactics and because he always razed the cities that he overthrew. So, his people formed the Neo-Babylonian Empire. Sometimes his name would be written as 'Nebuchanrezzar' because he 'razed cities' and sometimes it is written as Nebuchadnezzar because he was 'a Nazarite' and took the ancient oath of a Nazarite.
So Nebuchadnezzar loathed the Assyrians, and after he tore up their land, he and his people developed their empire in Babylon.
On 2/18/2021 at 4:14 PM, Pioneer1 said:Now when you said they were known simply as "Syrians"....did they call THEMSELVS that or were the Romans calling them that or who?
In your research what exactly did they call THEMSELVES?
My research is that those people (of whatever color they were) who were often called Assyrian called themselves "Ashurian"I think that by the Roman Empire times, the country was known as SYRIA but there were many different types of people in that country and they were probably known by other names as well. The term ASHURIAN by the Roman Empire times was probably obsolete. The name Ashur or Asshur referred to a thousand year prior and so, even at that time, there were distinct kinds of Assyrian peoples.
On 2/18/2021 at 4:14 PM, Pioneer1 said:This is the first time I've heard the Romans being refered to as "White Canaanites".
How did you arrive at this conclusion or where did you hear this from?Well, again, I need to reference. But the Roman Empire historical figures are well known and definitely White.
Ancient maps and histories refer to that area as being the land of the AMORITES. So, if you reverse the name, guess what?
ROMA--AMOR
The Amorites are definitely the Biblical Canaanites. They came from the Original Canaanites whose supreme goddess is ASHTORETH-- Ash-White-- WHITE GODDESS.
The Original Canaanite Moors, Phoenicians, Kenites were obsessed with White women and so from these early times they heavily intermixed with Eastern or Asian people and eventually the Amorites became dominant.
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On 2/18/2021 at 4:55 PM, Troy said:
Wow you know who your African Ancestor is. Did you know did you know your grandfather?
Hi @Troy Do I know my grandfather?
Yes. I am assuming that you are asking about her husband?
My Great-grandmother's husband?
There is a lot of information I have learned over the course of about 30 years. I have been relentless and at times, I have had to back off, because my relatives at times became angry with me and did not want to speak about the past. I am very stressed right now and reluctant to look at my information because of the tense reaction I have received from my relatives, but I am considering writing a book.
My Great-great grandfather was from the southern parts of Nigeria and was initially brought to a slave plantation to Virginia. My Great grandfather was sold with his father from Virginia to South Carolina. I was told a heart rendering story in how My Great-great grandfather ... spun around and then he fell down, had an heart attack and then he died. My Great grandfather met my Great-grandmother when she was a little girl and they became childhood sweethearts. But she was raped. After she gave birth to two half-white offspring, my Great-grandfather still married her, but she was sold away soon after... and the story goes on and on...
After Emancipation, my Great-grandfather walked all the way to another state, found her and they reunited. They had many children and my Grandfather was her last offspring from him. Then, guess what!? My Great-grandmother married another man and had more children!
Her first 'half-white' son, became very substantial and he was very bonded to her and so, before he died, he reached out to help her 'black family'... I am extremely fascinated with this story. I am kind of 'in shock'. I have gotten the Death Certificates of some my ancestors.
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On 3/11/2021 at 8:42 PM, Troy said:
who then invented "race," indeed institutional racism, other than the greedy white boys here?
No Way! Racism was NOT invented this late in time by Americans. I have seen a few other films like this that also state the Nazi Movement came out of America and that is a complete deception!
America is absolutely NOT the inventors of racism! Americans are NOT the inventors of White Supremacy! Racism is a social construct in these modern times, however, it should more properly be recognized as a Social Re-construction, a practiced that has been done for thousands and thousands of years.
The film falsely states that in 1681 the word 'White' was used for the first time and that is so misleading. For this American government of the 13 Colonies that term may have been new, but long before 1681, the SPANISH COLONIES and so many more WHITE Europeans had come and exercised against the indigenous peoples.
Okay, LONG Before 1705 Blacks and Whites, English, Scots, Irish, Africans did inter-related in many ways but this kind of deceptive history being handed to us to believe is just another common ploy to confuse us. We think we are putting out truth, however, we are only putting out spoon fed truths given to us by what seemingly is informed Blacks who actually got this from some 'White do-gooder source' --
LONG before 1705 Blacks, Whites, English, Scots, Irish, Africans, Moors... did inter-relate in various ways however, what we are not taught through formal education is the outrageous and violent breakdown of the Moorish Empires across Europe and the violent breakdown of the Turkish Empire LONG before the Americans re-started this White Supremacist Movement. The breakdown of THE INFIDELS was based on them being Black!!! Come on! Wake Up!
There is nothing new under the sun.
The Americans were not the first to form a government based on White Supremacy.
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On 2/18/2021 at 4:51 PM, Troy said:
OK, think of it this way; when did governments start tracking people by race?
Again, the word 'Race' is problematic, so I do not know how to respond to your question in a technical sense.
On 2/18/2021 at 4:51 PM, Troy said:Again, THERE IS NO GENETIC TEST FOR RACE, other than the one that determines you are human a member of the human race.
Try reading this: http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/science-genetics-reshaping-race-debate-21st-century/ for some additional insight.
No way @Troy I read the article that you referenced and it speaks to what I have mentioned "groups" of people based on a scientific basis. The word you use "Race" is not the correct term. That word, I agree is based on today's modern world social constructs. However, ancient people were categorized in ancient civilizations based on "ancestry" and etc.
On 2/28/2021 at 11:32 PM, Troy said:In fact I’m sure most slaves who ever lived were white. T
What!?
On 3/2/2021 at 9:57 AM, Pioneer1 said:1. Wealth inequality isn't NECESSARILY a bad thing.
It depends on WHY the wealth is unequally distributed.2. I wouldn't say racism is a "byproduct" of wealth inequality.
I would say there are 2 separate issues that often overlap eachother like alcoholism and spousal abuse.@Pioneer1 Good points.
On 3/6/2021 at 10:47 AM, Troy said:Again, we can’t have a serious conversation if you won’t be serious. So again, is there any doubt in your mind that 2021, despite all its problems, is a better time for a Black person to be living in the United States that 1821?
With the COVID Deaths, prison systems being heavily populated by Black people, the George Floyd types of murders going on, etc., I believe that it is impossible to equate both time periods. Today, Black people are being oppressed severely.
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On 2/6/2021 at 12:27 PM, Pioneer1 said:
You know what, can you do me a favor......
I'm reading some literature that's really deep right now and I remember YOU wrote something some months ago detailing the differences between SYRIA and ASSYRIA and what I've been reading reminded me of you and what you were saying. But I don't remember EXACTLY what you wrote nor it's context in which you wrote it. Can you do a separate thread and detail again the difference between Syria and Assyria?Yes, @Pioneer1 Thank you for asking! I would love to and will try to do it as soon as possible.
Right off though, I remember studying about Syria today, and I saw that their flag and symbolism are the very same as the ancient Assyrians, and that surprised me.
I know that there are many distinct kinds of Syrians today and they are divided based on religion, however, I will go back and look at my resources again.
But right off the top though and from what I remember, the term 'Assyria' was changed to 'Syria' after the time of the Neo-Babylonians about 500s BC.
But prior to that and during the time of the Assyrian Empire, the word 'Assyria' always meant 'Ash' or 'White'; White Syrians and their origins were North Syria. They were separatist so, the Original Syrians of Asshur-Shem were located in South Syrian [ie Canaan land] and this can be seen on ancient maps. The Syrians were located in lands near to other ancient peoples such as the Urgarits, the Arameans, etc. There is a lot of history in this area.
But the Assyrians [ie White Syrians] formed late at the time of the Greater Babylonian Empire times, around 2000s BC. Again, they were Separatist based on Colorism. By the time of the Roman Empire times, they became known simply as 'Syrians' but again, they still identified with the flags and symbolisms of the Original Assyrians because by the Roman Empire times, White Supremacy was dominant and the Syrians were defined in that way. They were defined as being 'White Canaanites' just like the Romans and they were somewhat related to the Romans as well. The Syrians were also called 'Syro-Phoenicians' by the Roman Empire times and this term too carries a lot of history as well that go back to the rise of the Assyrian Empire around the 600s BC when the Phoenicians [also, the Etruscans and Romans] reformed.
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On 2/9/2021 at 7:35 PM, Guest Dignity Justified said:
Yes!
Africatown's annual "Spirit of Our Ancestors Festival" wil be presented via zoom this year-- February 13, 2021, at 1PM (CST)
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I wish I would have seen this post earlier!
Yes, I bought a book from this community about this subject!
I have not sat down to read it yet, but I can't wait to absorb it.
My relatives thought that My Great Grandmother was stolen and brought over here late as well around the 1850s, but I have just confirmed her actual date of arrival.
She was brought over here very late though.
I just found her gravesite and it was marked by one of her many sons, my Grandfather. It took me about 30 years to piece together all of my research and then finally to find her gravesite. I am still in shock because, I actually gave up a little. I didn't think I would ever be able to find her gravesite so when I saw it, I was totally shocked.
I have a copy of her slave ship record, and the death certificates of many of her children. I am in shock.
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The term 'Race' is problematic, however, if scientist do not confront the government then, confusion will continue. These terms used in the past such as 'EGYPTIAN', 'NUBIAN', 'SHEM', need to be interpreted correctly in order to understand the past and how people today connect to the past. For example, the term 'SHEM' is actually not the same as 'SEMITIC' but there are scholarly resources that can bridge the gap and explain how these terms relate to each other! The ancient descendants of the Biblical Shem can be connected to the SEMITIC people of later times and can be understood with adequate resources.
The ancient EGYPTIANS are not the same today as they were in the past and there are so many other terms that can be interpreted correctly to understand how the Original Egyptians (ie ancient Egyptians) existed in the past, interacted with other kinds of people (ie KINDREDS), reproduced and formed other kinds of Egyptian cultures, etc.
There are many different kinds (ie. KINDREDS) of ancient Egyptians and then, there are also distinct kinds of ORIGINAL Egyptians! Both of these terms, 'ancient' and 'original' can defined distinct kinds of 'early Egyptian people' and early Egyptian cultures and these topics are all based on a solid understanding of the science of GENETICS. The original Egyptians are scientifically defined to have an origin from ONE MALE INDIVIDUAL of African origin. And the word 'African' today has a scientific definition (Original African) which includes an individual with WOOLY HAIR-TYPE, Black/Dark skin complexion, etc.
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On 2/17/2021 at 1:11 AM, Troy said:On 2/2/2021 at 2:34 PM, Chevdove said:
Governments that are functional cannot simply ignore classification.
Sure they can. It was done for the majority of time that governments have existed.
@Troy I don't understand you. I don't understand what you mean in that governments have existed without classification of humans based on a scientific process, albeit, the terminologies that have been used may be relative though, but can you explain more what you mean?
On 2/17/2021 at 1:11 AM, Troy said:you know that I don't like to use the term 'race' but this is the term used in these modern times even on federally approved applications in just about every regard!
You have to check whether you are categorized (ie classified) as Black/Afro-American, White/European-American, Hispanic, etc.
These terms are relative to our government but may differ in other countries and governments across the world.
@Troy The genetic basis for how human beings are classified is varied but it is a reality due to how human beings have interacted over the course of thousands of years.
On 2/1/2021 at 11:53 PM, Troy said:The title of the post, "Anthropologists Claim Ancient Semites Were Black (Negro) People." In my circle, that is common knowledge and I have not challenged the premise of this thread.
@Troy This thread actually addresses a topic and contention between @Pioneer1 and me, from what I remember, anyway, about Egyptians vs Moses, the Hebrews, at the time of the Biblical Exodus. So you may regard the ancient Semites as being Black Negro people as I do believe too, but there are many others like Pioneer1 who have other beliefs.
On 2/6/2021 at 8:47 AM, Pioneer1 said:The REALITY of race isn't a social construct, it's a concrete reality that can easily be seen and examined most of the time. The only social construct is the CLASSIFICATIONS that are often erroneous and change from time to time.
@Pioneer1 I agree somewhat. But I still believe that the word 'race' is very problematic and is based on these modern times and the deliberate confusion it was meant to bring about.
On 2/6/2021 at 8:47 AM, Pioneer1 said:In other words...........
The fact that millions of people have dark brown skin with kinky hair and millions of others have yellow skin with straight black hair is a CONCRETE REALITY.
The differences between those two are NOT simply "social constructs" made up by society!Well, part of the confusion here is that today, we are conditioned to view the two people you posted based on color as being primary, but Color should never be viewed in terms of any type of 'social construct'. Color should never be primary factor at all. There is a lot of science and genetics behind why Colorism is so wrong.
On 2/6/2021 at 8:47 AM, Pioneer1 said:The differences between their races are as REAL as the differences between one being a man and the other being a woman.
No. Not at all. @Pioneer1 You don't think that there are certain type of Asian people like the girl you posted, but with African traits? I've seen Asian people that actually have nappy hair. And then, the man you posted has nappy hair, but then what about Black people in Australia? Some of them express very straight hair but have 'thick' traits just like the man you posted. Color is not a primary factor in determining how we as humans should be classified. This modern world has debauched everything in their social constructs of today. They have actually caused awful divisions within cultures based on this type of Colorism.
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On 2/16/2021 at 1:21 PM, Guest maeve said:
but I really do have a problem with you calling pale Native people “fake”. Yes, $5 Indians and pretendians do exist, but that doesn’t mean you can alienate actual Native people from their identities because they’re pale—we’re hurt by having our identities appropriated by white people too!
Oh WOW! Thank you for this comment and I absolutely agree.
On 2/16/2021 at 1:21 PM, Guest maeve said:Being indigenous isn’t about blood quantum or skin tone (and blood quantum is itself white supremacist bullshit designed to “breed out the Indian”), it’s about having a real, tangible connection to your family, culture, and community. If you have Native family, if you identify as Native, if you put effort into reconnecting with and reclaiming your culture, if you care about Native issues—every second of every day, that is, you don’t get to put on and take off being Native like a coat—you’re Native. I’m mixed-race and quite pale; I’m also not any less Néhiyaw. Native people come in all shades, and we’re all still Native. That’s not to say that we don’t have privilege over brown and black Natives—we do, and it’s our job to use that privilege to protect and uplift brown and black indigenous people—but we aren’t Indian-Lite.
I appreciate so much what you have written. Thank you again.
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On 1/30/2021 at 11:34 PM, Troy said:
I saw the Ma Rainey film; Davis was excellent.
Oh gosh! I guess I am not an avid TV viewer. I have never heard of Ma Rainey!
Yes, Viola Davis is a great actress from the little I have saw of her.
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17 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
you can deny the reality of race all you want but even the Kemites (ancient Egyptians) recognized the existence of different races:
@Pioneer1 In all fairness though, I do understand why @Troy has contention about the word 'race'. I understand the social construct of today as opposed to the ancient world.
18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Caucasians were called "Tahamu" which roughly translates into "man who was MADE Caucasian".
I looked at a link with this name 'Tahamu' or 'Tahamau' and saw only one source and from what I gather, this one source stems from a French man named Champollion, that was translated.
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me too. I didn't know this.