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Martin quoted from the book of BACHMAN about a distorted version of THE CURSE OF HAM but again, I believe that even at the time of the Talmud, this distortion went back to earlier roots and was also based on the Biblical description of Cain as well: “the Jews invented the HAMITIC myth whereby it was said that Ham the son of Noah was cursed in the book of Genesis and somehow it was said that Ham was the progenitor of the African race and that all Africans would be cursed and enslaved for time immemorial because of this so-called Biblical curse on Ham." Martin further stated that in the Talmud, Noah was 'BUGGERED' [raped] by Ham. He said that Ham entered the tent and gazed upon Noah's naked body and then had anal sex with Noah. He said that Noah's other two sons backed into the tent and covered Noah with a garment and for this reason Noah cursed Ham and turned him Black. Martin said that the Jews stated that Ham was the beginning of the Black race, Shem was the beginning of the 'Asians' and Japheth was the beginning of the Europeans. Martin read from the book by BACHMAN: “Ham when he went into that tent to look upon his naked father Noah, that Ham buggered his father, he had anal intercourse with his father…” So, the problem with all of this is that if Black people don't read ancient scripts for themselves they will continue to be deceived. No educated Jew or Europeans in their governmental realms believe this, nor did they ever!!! However, they may not admit that to Black people due to the gains of trade power through the slave trade. Just like myself, they have read the ancient scriptures and applied them to a scientific process and so, they know that lies were written down to deceive many Black people in the hopes that the Holy Scriptures would be rejected. For me though, I believe too, that if Black people don't have any accountability on the whole 'global' truth about the Black African NEGATIVE contributions to what happened in the past, then, this kind of deception will still serve the purpose it was meant to serve. To believe the the Jews, 'White Jews' were worse than the Europeans or vice versa serves no purpose for the Black plight! The Portugal Colonial system, the Dutch Colonial System, Spain, etc, were all bad when it came to the setting up of the African Slave System and well, what about the TIN HORN!!!? So therefore, even if I were to present more detail about the CURSE OF NOAH, it wouldn't mean much, if Black people ignore the African participation in the slave trade. Nevertheless, I will present it hopefully in a separate thread, however, WARNING, some Black people might be more angry at the real truth than the evil distortion put out by the Western Movement Colonial systems.

Martin made comments such as 'The Jews invented White Slavery' and he spoke about the Dutch West Indian company. He compared the Jews to the White Gentiles and he talked about the secret relationships amongst the Jews and the Blacks, but he did not elaborate on this issue, so I don't know what he meant. He spoke about the Jews and the NAACP and the White Liberals being spies for the rest of the White Race. He spoke about the Portugal voyages in 1441 and the 1502 mark of slavery in the Caribbean. He spoke about the quest of White Jews to justify the slave trade and deemed Africans to be heathens, subhuman and cursed by God himself. Martin said: “the Jews invented the HAMITIC myth whereby it was said that Ham the son of Noah was cursed in the book of Genesis and somehow it was said that Ham was the progenitor of the African race and that all Africans would be cursed and enslaved for time immemorial because of this so-called Biblical curse on Ham." But now, I want to say that because Martin only refers to 'THE JEWS' and does not define them to be 'White' this is THE PROBLEM! I've heard my own relatives voice their beliefs about this MYTH OF HAM but however, this distortion was NOT always interpreted as THE MYTH OF HAM rather, it was also interpreted as THE CURSE OF CAIN as well. Some of my relative believe that Ham was cursed and turned BLACK and some of them do believe that CAIN was cursed and turned BLACK and that is because they don't read and study the scriptures but have accepted the false interpretations that was preached from the Slave times and NOT only from White Jews! THE BLACK CODES, I believe would be a good focus to better understand part of the process in which many European Jews because defined as simply 'JEWS' while the ORIGINAL JEWS were EXPELLED from Spain and went through all sorts of violent attacks all over Europe. This violence that began against the Original Jews, Muslims and other kinds of NEGROES all across Europe began due to a movement that became known as THE INFIDELS initially. So @Troy African people did endure all sorts of violence in Europe and during this time, the European Jews that looked White had the opportunity to split from the Original Jews And so, yes, I would agree that in this respect, many of the Jews did partake of the Slave Trade and were benefactors, but however, they did so under a big colonial movement as Martin stated about the DUTCH and Portugal, and other early colonial movements. The White Jews did not act by themselves but under the colonial organizations of those times. And as in all humanity, it was never ALL of them.

Okay, I listened to the video. This was my first time hearing what was written in the Talmud. I never heard of some of what he stated[!] because it is NOT in the KJV of the Holy Bible! However, it is obvious to me that these White Jews used the ancient Biblical script and then adapted it to fit their White Supremacist beliefs. Now, that should cause Black people to at least consider the KJV or other earlier versions and cross reference them. But @Troy can you elaborate on your quote posted? How in the world can you believe that "Africans moved throughout Europe and were not not discriminated against based upon race." WOW, that sounds crazy to me! Everything that I just heard is based off of history and what happened around the time the TALMUD was constructed around AD 500s!--and at this time there began an intense conflict in 'the Middle East' based on COLORISM. The ORIGINAL JEWS heavily conflicted with the SAMARITAN JEWS, etc. of those times for certain reasons, one of which was script. However, based on your topic about THE MYTH OF HAM and the author Tony Martin blaming the Jews are two distinct topics that being overlapped here and so, I believe this is a serious problem that has led Black people to form a false basis. I heard Mr. Martin's response to a question at the end in that he says the Jews do not acknowledge their part in the African Slave Trade but the White Europeans have done so, but if that were true, then Black people would have some concrete governmental MARK to confirm this 'false belief' of Tony Martin! Today, even the case of REPARATIONS is brought on an international level because as of this date, WHITE EUROPEAN GOVERNMENTS have not acknowleged their part in the African Slave Trade! So no, I don't agree with Mr. Martin targeting the Jews for the ones who initiated White Racism based on what he believes stems from their Talmud. So although the Talmud distortion of THE JUDGEMENT OF NOAH about Canaan and the three Patriarchs would be distorted into THE CURSE OF HAM, nevertheless, White Supremacy goes way back and thousands of years before AD 500s!

Uh Oh! @Troy Part of this statement is not true, in reference to what I believe. I don't believe that Africans were initially enslaved by white people thousands of years ago at all but in the continent of Africa, it was Black-on-Black, and what I said was that even this stemmed from the presence of White Supremacy! That is what I said. Oh yes! I agree here. Oh, I love this topic!!! Okay, I will listened to the video and respond, but first I want to understand you even before I listen: THE MYTH OF HAM? I am not sure what you mean here, but even before I listen to the video, I will say that 'the myth of Ham', I believe is based on a deceptive distortion of ancient script. Your basing the idea that this myth caused people to believe this was 'the start of white racism' is a problem due to White Supremacist and their distortion of this ancient account of HAM. But now, I will listen to the video.

Well... Really!? It's White owned!? Then, this may be why some of the statements you mentioned seem so far fetched and totally strange. Wow! Okay, maybe this disrespect is meant to stir up conflict amongst Black people?

Oh yes! Thank you for sharing more! @Tazarah You know, I have visited museums such as the Fine Arts Museum in Boston and the evidence is there but nevertheless, humanity has been misled for so many years!

Oh My Gosh! Hats off to your father! Anyway, I was so shocked when my aunt relayed the same point that you have just done. She told the younger folks that [paraphrasing] 'You all have no idea how close we came to being under German and Japanese domination and it would have been a nightmare if the decision was not made on how to stop them.' !!! I was so surprised and I had never heard that before! I probed and asked her more questions and wanted to know was it that bad. She said yes, it was really bad. She said it was the Nazi Movement and explained more. And even now, this is new information for me. Yes, I do believe that you are right. I don't know @Pioneer1 I am not sure about that.

Again, @Pioneer1 You are not understanding how HIRED SERVITUDE is being defined even in the reference you post! This correlates to modern day INDENTURED SERVITUDE of which is a 7 year period--CONTRACT. In the ancient times and still today, in certain cultures, people have signed up their children for periods of indentured servitude for a period of 7 years, etc. This is absolutely NOT stealing human beings, forcing them to be born, live and die in FORCED FREE LABOR for 400+ years, from generation to generation because they are of a particular culture, or color, etc. BOND SERVITUDE is NOT 'heaven' for anybody, but people who fall on hard times in their own cultures, historically have left their homelands and if they could find someone wealthy willing to sign them on, then it was A CONTRACT and was expected to obeyed for a period of time. JUBILEE means no more than 50 years, and if the bond servant could not fulfill his part of the deal, then they were supposed to be set free of the binding contract. You just simply don't understand Pioneer1. No!!! This is NOT stealing a human being and forcing them to work for free labor until that die. You just don't understand! LOL. You are angry with White people for addressing a deliberately suppressed truth about all humanity stemming from African male Y-DNA origins!? you sound like a mad man. You've gone off the rails. Let's see now; Black people did not present this scientific truth, so therefore you refuse to accept it until somebody Black says it is truth!? Again, it's not about anyone, it's scientific repetitive process that happens over and over again and can be seen in labs across the world. This information has been around for thousands of years.

Oh WOW! @Tazarah Thank you! I was so amazed at this research that I had to share it with my family before I could even comment! I agree with all of his findings especially about Iran! Two amazing references. When UNESCO gets involved, I know that this research is serious and its vital and helps all humanity. Yes, thank you! My heart rejoices over this post and I am so grateful that you have shared this incredible research. I do not understand why you would say that this man is a White Supremacist. @Pioneer1 why don't you focus on the research presented?

@daniellegfny Yes, I absolutely agree. Thank you. @Pioneer1 I can understand this point but still, in terms of the 'degree' of violence versus the quantity, are two different issues, imo. What do you think? This is one of the reasons why I am still in the learning process on this one. I think that the term 'German' has evolved over time and at one point, it actually defined Scandinavian typed Europeans but now, during the modern movements it became a 'new' racial construction.

LOL! Stop!

@Pioneer1 The term 'slave' is NOT a part of the KJV on these scriptures!!! The term is 'SERVANT' and BONDSERVANT, BONDSERVITUDE. the terms 'servant' and 'bondservant' has NOTHING to do with HUMAN SACRIFICE!!! There are only one time the word SLAVE is used in the KJV!!! Outside of this, the definition of STEALING HUMAN BEINGS which is HUMAN SACRIFICE is defined. I am so sick of Negroes using White Supremacist reasoning to discredit the Bible. LOL. The entire purpose of the PASSOVER was because the Egyptians exploited the Nubians, Thebans, and Syrians for free labor. They did not fit the definition of BOND SERVANTS whereby people willingly bond themselves as HIRED LABORERS and for a certain time period. [44] Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. LEVITICUS 25:44. This is an earlier scripture in the same chapter!!!--Explaining that BONDSERVITUDE is as HIRED LABORERS: [40] But as an hired servant, and as a sojourner, he shall be with thee, and shall serve thee unto the year of jubile: ... LEVITICUS 25:44. LOL I already told you they are NON-BLACK! I've posted several times of the Standford University studies and the particular scientist of that report! I've posted about a Spanish team, etc. @Pioneer1 It's NOT about the scientist, this is about the SCIENTIFIC PROOF! LOL. ALL MALE Y-DNA HAPLOGROUPS go back to a single Black African Male origin!!! LOL. Oh that's depressing. I've heard a little about some of this when it came to the Spartans.

@Pioneer1 Why do I need to recant? This script is obviously based on Old Phoenician script. it is NOT unique at all. You are acting as if they invented script. Geez.

So, yes, I think the TAMIL script you posted is fascinating but it was developed much later in time. @Pioneer1 That's crazy.

This is one of my passions! And, I have written so much about this. But Pioneer, you ask me to give you a CLEAR SCRIPTURE that plainly states: 1] NOAH was born in Egypt, and 2] NOAH lived in Egypt I cannot do that! However, I have explain that the Bible was SEALED UP, meaning written in coded language by the prophets due to Black Kemet people continually marrying and bonding with their enemies and giving their script over to them and them becoming completely overthrown. I explained to you that today, the Bible has been UNSEALED and so, all of the information about NOAH can be understood with study and direction from Bible scholars. No one can understand the Bible through self-study by themselves. People go to college and get degrees because the Bible covers thousands of years of humanity, and contains detail entries about several ancient civilizations, etc. More importantly, everything written has been framed in order to be confirmed on a SCIENTIFIC BASIS! So therefore, I can repeat what I have said about NOAH and try to highlight the scientific aspect of what was written about him so that you can understand why the Bible scripts him to be born in AFRICA, in Egypt and also, he was born in captivity. No, I meant that it did not exist back in the development of Cuneiform script form.

@Pioneer1 You are stuck on White lies. All males today stem from one African male origin--that is scientifically proven. So your version of Caucasians come from a Black African Negro man. You keep talking about Beta-Israel, so they have a country, we do not. They believe they stem from the Biblical Adam. Look at your reference @Pioneer1!!! The dates are AD 2 to AD 19 and 3 BC!!! That is the Roman Empire times!!! That Tamil script was developed thousands upon thousands of years after ancient civilizations developed script!!! My God, that looks like a version of Old Phoenician script!!!

Oh WOW. I can see this and agree. Yes, I understand this. @Pioneer1 I am in the learning process so, I am not completely sure about all of this but, I am beginning to recognize a distinction in Europe at some point around the world wars. I stumbled across the term NORDISM. From what I understand now, is that the Germans may have been considered 'darker Europeans[?] or Southern Europeans[?], and the Scandinavians were considered the purer ones. Southern Europeans were looked down upon because they had Mediterranean blood[?].

REVELATION 18: The destruction of the Great City [13] And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. REVELATION 18:13. YES You are spreading lies @Pioneer1 The Bible was translated by Original Israelites and without the Protestant Movement, we would have NO connection to the positive presence of ancient Black African people on this earth. So, I thank God for them. However, White Supremacist have Blasphemed the holy scriptures and have used slave teachings to cause many Black people to go out and reject the Bible and do their work, but this is not the works of the protestant movement at all. No White Supremacist is going to give Black African people the Bible when it states that their White dominated Great City will be destroyed for having slaves, stealing slaves! Yes, Pioneer, you are spreading lies, the White man's lies for him: [16] And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. GENESIS 21:16. The Bible completely speaks against SLAVERY, AND STEALING MEN and enslaving them. Many White people claim that Africans sold us into American slavery; this scriptures shows that it does not matter, whoever is found to gain from this evil will be judged. Non-Black. But Pioneer that's crazy. You are going to be angry at White people, scientist for saying that all humanity stemmed from a Black AFrican man!? LOL. Get outta here! This truth was known for thousands of years. But after thousands of years of attempted genocide and violence, slavery of Black people, Black African men[!], pedophilia, massacres, and mass imprisonment of Black men, now it has finally been admitted; the truth about the Y-DNA and you want to be angry at me for recognizing this recent reported truth. LOL. That makes no sense. White Supremacy and the Protestant Movement are two totally different aspects. Some people want to go to heaven. Some people want to escape hell fire. Some people believe in the God of Abraham. Some people believe in the Word of God. It took this long for people to finally see the science of DNA and cannot escape this shocking fact. They knew this all along, but it was suppressed. There was so much awful rhetoric about how Black Africans came from apes, gorillas, monkeys, etc. and now WOW, this science has finally been reported. Oh WOW! Thank you! I remember now about how it has been reported in certain movements on this wise Eugenics, in how one time in Germany little children were killed who were born with defects and also what happened in North Carolina and etc.

Same origin-- The Biblical EBERS in the lineage of Shem to Abraham. Whether it's Hebrew or Habesha, it stems from the Ebers. No matter, these terms define descendants of Adam, Shem, Abraham, and Israel though. Today, however, Ethiopians, Eritreans, Tigrayans, etc. in the Horn are collectively referred to as HABESHA. Okay, I thought that you said that MUSA was a White Caucasian that went up to a walled area in the Caucasus? Okay, I remembered incorrectly! No way, they do not say that Neanderthals come from Africa! Their Evolution 'theory' was completely contrary to what is reported today. @Pioneer1 You are contradicting yourself: "no one claimed that ALL of humanity came from Africa" In the past, this was not admitted but today, all scientist all over the world admit that ALL HUMANITY meaning MODERN MALES-- come from one origin in Africa. There is no such thing as dravidian script! Sumerian script is based on their origins and this is scripted in the Bible to be from Egypt in the pre-flood days. Sumerian script is based on their civilization around the 2200s BC and this is WAY AFTER THE OLD KINGDOM OF EGYPT!!! The Sumerian script was not developed until way after the Old Kingdom Period. You have no idea what you are talking about!!! @Pioneer1 Geez! GEEZ. The Bible dates Noah to come down the Mt Ararat when he was 600 years old!!! Aramaic and Greek was not around with Noah was even scripted. The Bible clearly places Noah in Egypt prior to him constructing the ark. You just simply don't understand the Bible. Again, the Bible places Noah in Egypt for most of his early life up until he was around 500 years old. Egypt is the foundation of this world. There is NO script for Black African people prior to the civilizations that developed based on Africa. You are making things up out of your head with no script to support it. There is no script for ancient Asia outside of what stems from African/Kemet civilizations. The Bible clearly defines Sumerians as being CUSH HAM. These Black African kings foundation would thus be EGYPT. Pioneer, you are feeding age old White lies.

Yes, I agree. @Troy But still, behind even this kind of deceit seems to always be opportunist and when it comes to Black vs Black violence, I think this evil is continually fueled by having to exist in a White dominated system. Yes, I agree @Pioneer1 I've experience something similar to this a few years ago. It was crazy! It is the nature of the Beast, imo. The way that this system has set up on the backs of child slavery has caused Black people to always be vulnerable to be preyed upon. However, I would never believe that all White Caucasians are bad though. It is wise to be guarded when a stranger comes around no matter what color they are, but certainly the type of situations you describe, Pioneer, is so true.

Yes. And why would you say that I am wrong even after I gave a brief description of the documented historical records of the time period? You later wrote that what I presented was 'alien' information to you. @Troy You have never heard about, or read about the 18th Dynasty? You have not read about the late Ivan Van Sertima and the late Dr. Hibbard's findings on this ancient civilization in the African continent? I can certainly understand why some of this would be 'alien' information to you because it was definitely covered up and suppressed for a while. But again, I am giving you a valid source to refer to because this history in how White Supremacy was rampant in the ancient African world is crucial to understand. This invasion into ancient Africa forms the very foundation of the European Colonial Movement and their attack against the African world.

That is hypocritical. You do the work for the White man, spreading his lies, trying to discredit the Bible about the origins of the Black African man. You say the Bible is a myth, spend all of your time supporting White lies and at one point, Black men like you were the greatest tool to spread White Supremacy @Pioneer1 But now, today, the same White Supremacist have turned and are trying to get rid of their buffer zones because of the scientific process that has finally been published all over the world and support the facts that all anatomically straight Y-DNA males stem from one male origin from Africa. As you wrote about 'Eu', yes I can agree in its meaning referring to 'good' but I though Eugenics meant something like 'Good killing' or 'mercy killing'? Again, though, whether they came from the Caucasus before coming from the southeast, I think depends on certain civilizations of the early times. But, yes, Europe was a term that defined people coming from the east world and prior to that I think the root term BER for BEREA seems to be a more earlier term for the Eurasian continent: SIBERIA IBERIA IBERIAN PENINSULA BERING STRAIT... I think the root meaning means fruitful and fruitful land but later it became attached to the meaning of drunkards, sorrowful, etc.

@Pioneer1 I understand this as I have said. And, as you also wrote about the Jews in that some may not like the term, I also wrote about that as well though. Many of the Original Jews were attacked in the region of the Crimea and therefore did not want to be identified by the term, but that would not be true for others who were not in Eurasia at the time of the downfall of the Seljuk Empire. HABESHA, this is another term I wrote about as well and refers to both the Ethiopian Jews and the Eritreans, Tigranyans, etc. and this term too, stems from the more ancient term of HEBREW. And I know of other terms but again, I understand why they would refer to the term House of Israel. Well, I am not trying to discredit the truth, though @Pioneer1. References have to be confirmed based on a scientific basis. If you say that a White Caucasian man named MUSA left from 'some point' and went to the Caucasus or Central Asia, then, this would be confirmed in ancient script, somewhere. But based on the collection of historical data across the world, this White man named MUSA, has not been scripted so far as I can see. The name MUSA is a 'Black Name'. There are so much information about civilizations that existed around 2000 bc though. That makes no sense at all. Like I said, the male Y-DNA is stable and has been traced all the way back to an origin. That is truth that is completely confirmed. That is ridiculous, White Supremacist do NOT want to admit they come from Africa. You know better than to ask this. You know all Black scripts claim to be linked to Africa and Kemet. You know the Bible is based on EGYPT in Africa. Why are you writing such lies? African people did NOT come from Asia and you have no script to support this. That is unbelievable. You playing games and make light of Black African oppression.

The Aztecs definitely are late comers to America! You need to read! About 600 A.D. the empire of Teotihuacan was overthrown. Centuries later another empire was created by the people of the city of Tollan (Tula), known as the Toltecs. Their empire lasted from about the tenth to the twelfth century. Near the end of the twelfth century Tula was captured and burned by its enemies. The Aztecs did not come to the valley of Mexico until the fourteenth century (1300s). https://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/aztecs.htm Like I said, the Aztecs were late comers. Although references are scarce to even Africans at the time of the 1300s BC coming over to the Americas, however, there are references. And although it is strange to hear that Aztecs migrated down into Mexico from 'another land', however, there are references that speak of this. I saw a video years ago, and may still have the link that did say that a million people migrated from Europe into Mexico about 100 years prior to Columbus and became known as 'Mexica' [Aztecs]. So, you may not believe it, but that is what has been reported although very vaguely. This time period of the 1300s when certain Africans also came to the Americas was due to the Bubonic Plague. So no, you won't find many references about this because we are taught that Columbus was the mark at 1492, but this is not true. I can see that you admit that African 'remains' stem from 'modern Native Americans'. But again, without the presence of the ancient African male, there would be absolutely no ancient Native American males. period.

I would agree, but after what @Troy just wrote, I am not sure. No @Troy I do not. Are you saying that I am wrong about White Supremacy in the 18th Dynasty of Egypt? What video? White Supremacy was a dominant factor in Africa, especially in ancient Egypt. So, if you believe that racism is connected to white supremacy then, racism would go much farther back then modern times. As I wrote this was the very issue with the 18th Dynasty but even much earlier. The dynasty was assumed by the Thutmosis pharaohs and brought in many Mitannian women and other Assyrian women and eventually the pharaoh Akhenaten married a White woman named Nefertiti. It has only been recently brought out though, that she was White and for many years this was deliberately suppressed history. Now though the many depictions of her have been reported. And it has deliberately been wrongfully reported that Akhenaten headed up a new movement, however, it was not him but Nefertiti that was the head of this new religion in Egypt. Akhenaten was the pharaoh that was blamed for outlawing the earlier religion and closing down the temples in Thebes. However, it was not even him initially, but his father Amenhotep III. Nefertiti and the High Priest Ay headed up this new religion and moved the capital to another region until the Thebans rebelled. the original Thebans, Nubians and Syrians were put in hard bondage, in rock quarries, etc. to build up these cities but the Assyrians [White Syrians] were elevated. So, I don't know what video you saw, but White Supremacy was dominant in ancient Africa and the ancient world.