Troy

13 hours ago, Delano said:

No you just refuse to defend their honour fron an old rapey preacher

Please spare me.

What have you done to defend their honor? More recently are you defending the honor of Cosby's victim? Are protesting, marching in the street adovacting for stronger legislation, what?

Tell me what are you doing besides trying make it seem like other Bkack men don't defend Black women.

I raised two Black women to independence who were loved and protected their entire lives. Have you?

Please tell me what you doing besides judging and accusing other Black men.

13 hours ago, Delano said:

Or should I not reference an openly gay Black Intellectual?

No i have that covered google james baldwin (you dont get on page #1 by accident)

14 hours ago, Delano said:

No you rationalised it. 

That is your false impression. Because i dont accept your reporting (the same person who asserts MLK was gay without evidence) and refuse to reject the entire Nation if Islam you call that rationalizing.

The reality is that i refuse to pass judgement on a incident i know virtually nothing about. 

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What if it's FORCED, as in the case of many situations in prison?

If it is forced that does not count. I'm talking about to consenting adults. 

14 hours ago, Delano said:

What about young girls 

My God man!

OK Del, you see right through me. I think raping female babies, teenagers, wonen -- but only the Black ones -- is a good thing. Is this what you wanna hear. Are you happy now?

Will you now stop with your pointless game of trying to make me an enemy of Black women?

Hey @Delano I'm not sure what you are asking. Is there a fake news story about the gps system? 

Yes I worked on the GPS project. But by the time i joined, the systems were already designed. I ran functional tests on one of the subsystems; the power conditioning unit which stored power from the solar array panels when the satellite was in the sun and distributed power to the satellite when there was no sunlight. It was technical work not engineering.   while the project was impressive my role was not significant

Christmas for me have changed dramatically for me since the kids have grown and moved out and the wife and i split up.

For 25 years i brought a tree and we'd dress it up with a variety of ornaments collected over the years. My favorite was my starship enterprise ornament. If was always fun to see the kids get excited about the presents left by santa and it was interesting to see them transition to the point where they would buy us the parents thoughful gifts. 

I cherish those memories. But I appreciate the time with extended family and friends both old and new today.

But i appreciate, now, there are folks who may be lonely during the holiday season. Harry maybe ill take you up on you suggestion and do something in the community. happy holidays!

20 hours ago, Cynique said:

I find it interesting that feminists have to be put in 2 categories: black ones and whites ones.

Not surprising to me it is easier for people to deal with.

There are, of course,  women who want their men to lead and desire what would be considered by feminists to be a subservient role. These women though a good portion of the population are voiceless and considered "old fashioned" or an anachronism. Some I've talked to are disappointed in men who are unwillingly or unable to take charge and lead their families, but men are not raised to lead anymore.

In addition to race and gender Black women have to deal with sexuality, weight, attractiveness, physical handicaps, maternity, age, religion, and any number of issues in which they can be discriminated against.

It is not a three headed monster it is much more complicated, but culturally we dont handle complexity well so race (black and white) and gender is about all the intersectionality we can hande.

Ok I'm done too.  

Similarly, just because you (and Del) see it does not mean it is on display, it is simply what you see. 

On any given characteristics people are distributed across a spectrum.  Take a easily measured characteristic like height; the "average" man is taller than the average women. However if you pick any random set of men and women, there will be women who are taller than the men, but that does not mean that the averages no longer hold.

Again a characteristics like intelligence can be viewed many different ways and is often be difficult to measure. Therefore, making a statement like, "I am smarter than the average woman." is meaningless. Indeed, it underlies a lack of understanding of what intelligence means, by the person saying it (how is that for toxic egocentricity ).

5 minutes ago, Mel Hopkins said:

But sure, “there are fine people on both sides” ~trump

Again Mel you are applying your world view onto me.  I never make any moral judgments.  The quote from Trump say explicitly that their were good white racist protesters.  I never made an analogous statement, you are doing that on my behalf then stating, without justification, that these values are on display for all to see.  Of course Del cosigning this perhaps gives you the impress it is correct.  

19 minutes ago, Mel Hopkins said:

@Troy  yet you continue to express the legality of a 14 year old girl marrying... as if that makes it ok.  

Again, despite expressing an opinion to the counter, you continue to argue that the statement of a fact about a law means I agree with the law.  Despite saying that the law is arbitrary and citing an example of another arbitrary law that a reasonable person knew was bad -- even when it was enacted -- you still try to use it against me to push a world view I simply to not have. 

You are too biased to see me in this instance.  Again, it is like the people vilifying Kevin for making some jokes.  I'm sorry, you are wrong about me in this case.

1 hour ago, Chevdove said:

Absolutely!!!-- But I'll be back... 

Really? Oh boy, I can hardly wait 

So @Delano do these Bonobos perfrom fellacio on or sodimize each other? I've heard of this of homosexual bonobos before, but never thought to look into it.  But now I'm curious; what behaviors do these monkey perform to label them as homosexual?  Do they also twitch when he walk, or have that lisp when the screech? (that last sentence was joke for those of you without any sense of humor. I don't have to worry about not being able to host the Oscars).

@Pioneer1 the best test I've heard of came from the comedian Aries Spears. He said i you do something with another dude and one of you bust a nut (ejaculate) then you are both gay.  

I listed to a portion of the clip and agree with Tariq's observations, however i disagree with his conclusions.  It is a not a "buck breaking process." it is a money making process.  I'm familiar with the play Kinky Boots it is on broadway right now.  The play features an virtually all white cast and seems to be related to gay stuff I know I have less than zero interest in seeing it.  But the producers know the are folks who would pay to see a football player dress up in high heeled boots. I doubt they are interested in Tiki's acting chops

19 hours ago, Delano said:

I disagree. Some comments make me want to take a break because of their toxic egocentricity. 

That is fine Del, but the perspective of "toxic egocentricity" comes from within.  How we interpret this is as much a function of who were are is it is the other person. 

It is like the Kevin Hart scenario. Kevin sad he was smash is kid over the head with a doll house if he caught him playing with one.  Someone else took this joke to imply that Kevin was advocating for violence against children and was evil. Again this is more about the person than Kevin.  Similarly, I shouldn't have to say rape is bad, but when I say it is bad and am not believed that has nothing to do with me...

3 hours ago, Chevdove said:

When I share my views and research, I sometimes go into the discussion with so much confidence that I really got a full understanding only to find out, I didn't. 

Exactly. Sometimes I (all of us) simply don't know what we don't know, and being exposed to new ideas and open to them is how we learn.

2 hours ago, Delano said:

Troy is fire I am ice. 

Yeah I'm fire baby! Don't get too close or you might be burned.  You know I'm an advocate of raping teenage girls 

21 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

I know when sex is ILLEGAL -something that seems to escape you...

Legal?  What is legal is purely arbitrary.  I was not legal for Black people to read in this country not very long ago.  

21 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

Oddly, you say you know how long 14 year old girls have been having  sex and giving birth ... which is why it appears you are making a value judgment - since you conveniently left out of this equation adult men forcing themselves on children. 

The statement of a fact is not making a "value judgement" If I say it is raining outside that is an observation.  If I say it is a shitty day, because it is raining that is a value judgement -- people can disagree about vales, but not facts. 

21 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

Now, if I missed you condeming that behavior; your values are on full display.  

Honestly @Mel Hopkins, in this instance, it is your values that are on display. Again I have not expressed any values.  Indeed, I refuse to do so.  Now if you perceive my unwillingness to make a value judgement on behavior, that I don't fully understand and want to construe that as me being complicit in that behavior, that is up to you.

Surely you can appreciate that your belief of my values are probably less accurate than what I know about my own values. In fact, I would have thought my actual behavior would be a testament to those values. 

So no, I'm not going to condemn MLK or believe is legacy diminished because @Delano says he had an homosexual affair. Nor I'm not going to condemn the entire NOI because everyone is saying Elijah Muhammad raped a bunch of teenage girls 50 years ago.

Why I actually have to say rape is a bad thing  is beyond me....

18 hours ago, Delano said:

And make you appear to lacking in empathy. 

I'm glad you wrote "appear." The statement otherwise, on its face, is in accurate and borderline offense from someone who knows me.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Although I think 18 or 19 is a good age to start having sex, for something as serious as MARRIAGE I'd push the age even higher than that, lol.

I agree. I stated 21 as a minimum, but I would say 30 is a good age to consider getting married today and it is what I would tell my daughters.

As far as sex, I think 18 is probably a bit young, but if you can die for your country in a war then for heaven's sake you should be allowed to have sex and buy a drink in bar.  In some municipalities you can neither get married (without parent consent) or order a beer in a restaurant if you are under 21 -- but you can do a tour of duty in IRAQ and get you head blow off at 18 -- go figure.

Today I actually participate on two other forums besides this one, Lipstick Alley, most in the Book Alley Forum and Nubian Planet which I started using very recently.

I over the last several years I spent too much time with the massive corporate sites while the sites I enjoy and want to see grow are disappearing. SO going forward I'm going to spend my limited time supporting these types of sites.

On 12/14/2018 at 9:44 AM, Chevdove said:

If I have offended someone wrongfully and it is brought to my attention, then I will try to make amends...

Chevdove, please just put that thought out of your head.  If you express an idea or opinion that someone takes offense to that is THEIR problem, not yours.  Now if someone disagrees with you can't be offended either.  Sometimes things can appear to get headed but you can't take any of it personally.

Sometimes you have to get to know folks.  For example, I'd say things to Pioneer in a way that I would not with you -- simply because he is another dude with amazingly thick skin 

I cosign everything everyone else wrote and thanks for the kind words @Chevdove

Your post was in the spirit of the holiday season and was needed thanks!

Peace and Love

On 12/14/2018 at 8:47 AM, Chevdove said:

Troy What about @Mel Hopkins statement; you would not have a problem with a boy in the 6 grade getting married to an adult male? You would call that love?

You obviously missed my statement that I do not think ANYONE should get married before 21 today. Why do you think anyone here is advocating for a 6th grade boy to marry an adult male -- where are you getting this; certainly not from me.

23 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

the tacit support you seem to offer others who practice child rape

Come on people I'm not advocating or supporting anyone raping ANYONE sheesh!  This is NOT a case of my miscommunication or my part either -- can we get past this point?  It is not one of contention.

Mel you obviously know more about why people have sex than I.  I was just stating the fact that it is indeed legal for a 14-year-old to get married (under a variety of conditions) and for most of the time human have been on earth 14 girls have been engaing in sex and making babies.  YOu can call this forced or rape that is up to you. I'm not making any value judgments.  I'll let you do that. Just stop accusing me of advocating for rape.

On 12/14/2018 at 8:20 AM, Chevdove said:

That is so NOT true but can you give me an example, since you are so sure about that?

Let's start with the immaculate conception.  Is there a scientific basis for virgins giving birth?  Let try people being raised from the dead after being crucified and buried for three days....  How about walking water, parting a sea, or even the very prospect of an omnipotent being creating the multiverse out of nothing.  Do you want me to continue -- just pick one and give me the scientific basis for it.

On 12/14/2018 at 8:20 AM, Chevdove said:

but I am against raping little boys,

Everybody here is against raping young boys.  

On 12/14/2018 at 8:20 AM, Chevdove said:

This is so NOT true! But the best way that I can express this point is to ask you or anyone that believes that we modern humans are closer to Gorillas than Neanderthals

My point went completely over your head and you misinterpreted it.  You can reread what I wrote. I think it was pretty clear.

Deborah Turner-Bey please share an excerpt from your book.  If you have a website please share a link to it.

11 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

If scientist say that today many of us, especially Europeans, have Neanderthal DNA, then we today are expressing two different species or origin! 

Sure some Europeans have DNA from Neanderthals, but they (and we) share FAR more DNA with Gorillas.  Does that make us Gorillas?  Of course not.

There are very small difference in the genomes of humans -- almost trivial, but those small difference are enough to make all of unique while still being amazing similar.  We are family. 

Racism is thrust upon Black people by people with small minds, so we must deal with it.  But if you ask me, all the focus on racial differences is a big waste of time and divisive.

20 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Well considering the formation of this system in that it concentrated on dominating THE DARK CONTINENT, it would seem that it is a part of the White Supremacist Movement.

I would find it hard to believe that in all of the victims of chattel slavery that homosexual acts was not committed.

So you believe that white supremacists (the alt right, skinheads, etc) have created a global agenda to promulgate homosexuality across all races?  How will this advance their cause?

20 hours ago, Chevdove said:

...but scientifically as the Bible states...

Chevdove I'll tell you the truth any sentence that include this is one which I will normally will not finish reading. the Bible has NOTHING to do with science.  Chevdove at the end of the day I believe you to be a sincere and righteous person who is seeking to increase their understanding of the world, but if there is one takeaway here don't confuse the Bible with science.

18 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Troy I googled last night, and I think the laws have changed. I only saw, Mexico as being the one country that might allow someone that young to marry but they say it is complicated and based on other issues

This is simply not true Chevdove. Here us another site you xan check out. https://family.findlaw.com/marriage/state-by-state-marriage-age-of-consent-laws.html you'll see California, for example, has no minimum age for marriage.

But my MAIN point was the fact that for most human history (incluing this country)  14 year girls olds engaged in sex with older people. 

What im saying is that we can not place our morals on others. Just because you and I  might find something reprehesible, does not mean it is. We can call it pedophila and rape others call it love.

@Chevdove homosexuality also has nothing to do with gender or geographic origin.

19 hours ago, Chevdove said:

This homosexual ploy is aimed against BLACK AFRICA and absolutely the men of this whole world whether, White European or Native American or etc. 

Who is behind this nefarious plan and what is their goal?

19 hours ago, Chevdove said:

You are using the word 'RACE'!!! That is the wrong word to use! This word is used to put forth confusion. 

There are different species of HOMONIDS and the HOMO-NEADERTHALS are DISTINCT frome the HOMO-SAPIENS

Yiu know Neanderthals are extinct right?

@Pioneer1 yes it appears there us indeed a great if pressure for acceptance of homosexuality. 

Is this a bad thing? While it is not my life style, is what two consenting adults do really our business? Sure given the way i was raised seeing two dudes pressed up on each other is not the first i want to see, but im not into extreme displays of public effection by heterosexuals either. 

Chedove, the laws vary by jurisdiction but there are states where a 3 can get married under certain circumstances.  One condition usually required is permission of the parents.

Yes, Black girls  (women, men, boys, institutions) are treated worse than white girls.  This is America... 

13 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

I don't know where or what source you have gotten your proof and statistic data from, but based on other information, I would agree that the white men (white world) are much more numerous in this 'gay' status than the Black world. 

Whew you scared me for a second Chevdove.  You have answered your own question;  there are more white men in the US than there are Black men. Which implies that you understand that homosexuality is not a function of race (obviously, because there is only one race). If you understand this you can move on from this fictional conspiracy theory.

I feel your anger for how Kevin was treated.  But I say F*ck the Academy.  We are WAY TOO dependent upon white institutions for validation and continue to reject our own. 

So I'm not angry with the Academy, what I find troubling is our dependence upon them. Look, I understand hosting the Oscars comes with a big fat paycheck and the potential for bigger paydays and this is really the bottom line. But to get their money you have to sell out.

Kevin refusing to sell out is why my level of respect for him went up.  Kevin is not the only own one to make gay jokes, fat jokes, ugly jokes. retard jokes, race jokes, gender jokes marriage jokes, dead baby jokes,  etc, etc.  This is what comedians do.  

8 hours ago, Chevdove said:

To think that a 6th grade child could get married today in the States seems horrible to me, but can you give me an example?

I think it is messed up too. Follow up on the link i shared with cynique for more info.

6 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

I do appreciate @Pioneer1 and @Troy being so forthcoming with their position on girls and women.  

Here we go  again... @Mel Hopkins did you miss my statement that i dont think anyone should get married before 21.

8 hours ago, Delano said:

Gentleman is it so hard to understand i am asking a question not making a statement. 

What!?

Ok @Delano what is the reasoning for the premise of this question? (Or will you avoid this question too)

On 12/3/2018 at 4:45 PM, Delano said:

Does MartinLuther King's extramarital affairs with both men and women have any bearing on his legacy.

Also what us the basis of this statement? 

On 12/4/2018 at 3:49 PM, Delano said:

King was a sexual libertine,

@Delano i can say, with certainty, that you do not know enough about MLK's sexuality to pass judgement. Are you quoting someone?

8 hours ago, Cynique said:

Did Del ever say that his input about MLK was true?? Seems like just contributing what had been put out

That is THE problem cynique. Del won't say where he is getting this scandalous information about MLK's sexuality. He wants to gossip, i don't. Suppose i asked the question:

Hey everybody what do you think about Del raping that infant last year?

Then if im asked how do you know Del raped a baby? How satisfied would you be by my replying:

8 hours ago, Delano said:

Gentleman is it so hard to understand i am asking a question not making a statement. 

Or some bullshit like:

16 hours ago, Delano said:

There are no facts just perspectives. 

In any case, we simply dont know if Del is in Australia to avoid being labeled as a sex offender for raping babies here in the US. I guess it is just a matter of perspective