From a Black Perspective: Why Does Black America Keep Voting for its own Self Destruction?

[nels]

SAD! Why Black Christians vote for Evil Democrats! [January 16, 2024]

 

[umbrarchist]

The Evil Republicans will save us!

 

How about teaching accounting to all Black kids at home.

 

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[Pioneer1]

Or better yet.....

Instead of constantly running from one plantation to another plantation and fleeing one cruel white "massa" only to end up under the whip of another; we should form OUR OWN political party and push OUR agenda.

With all of this talk and bashing of the Democrat Party....and they deserve it.....when I look over at the Republican Party I don't see Black folks running shit except their mouths.
What power do Black folks have in the Republican Party?

Niggaz aren't even allowed to decide what foods and refreshments to serve at MAGA rallies and conventions.
They have NO power.
Just stand there grinning and clapping and hope nobody asks them to leave.

[Chevdove]

On 9/20/2024 at 7:02 PM, nels said:

SAD! Why Black Christians vote for Evil Democrats! [January 16, 2024]

 

 

Well, Vince Everett Ellison says that it's the Stockholm Syndrome. I listen to the video and it was very informative, but I do not believe all that he said.

I do not understand why he believes the Democratic Party is evil and not say that about the Republican Party too because both parties support the same American Constitutional government. 

 

He said the before Integration, the schools were great and that is not true, however, I am not saying that integration was all that great either. 

He says that the Democrats support Open borders, transgenderism, abortion of black babies, and they are anti-Christ and bigots. 

Well, even though the Republicans may push a significant platform, however, I believe that this is all a game and the MAGA people are hoping that Blacks vote democratic because they want to blame us for all of the ills of society that they themselves put on humanity. 

 

The prophet Zechariah said that the government of Satan is a Matriarchal government and he detailed and defined it as being headed up by three females. 

He said two females were storks and this means they are an abomination. The supreme female is supported by the two storks and she is the ultimate abomination of the spiritual Babylon and therefore, I believe that Black women need to be careful about this election because just like in chattel slavery times, they blame little baby girls that were enslaved for their fate of being raped! They propagandized little black slaves girls as being Jezebels. 

Since ancient times, WS have enslaved little African females and later conditioned them to be idolized as the 'Earth mother' or 'the goddess Venus' the goddess of love and the goddess of Civilization, 'Ishtar' the Babylonian Whore, etc. and to loath the very African males sons that come from between their legs. 

 

Satan government is matriarchal and kicks against the Priesthood of the living God. 

 

Bible scholars equate the two storks as representing the Greco Roman systems that ultimately led to the rise of the Roman Empire whereby Juno became the more supreme goddess over Cybele. So the prophet Zachariah prophesizes that Second Rome would form and elevate this great Babylonian goddess. Also all of the prophets, such as John in his book of Revelations equates Second Rome too, as being 'the Great Babylonian Whore' and details the destruction of it. It's matriarchal. 

 

So with all of the news about the recent killing of some leader in the Middle East and the sudden deployment of thousands of troops over to Southern Lebanon and Iran beginning to attack Israel just last week, is alarming!!!

 

The smoke screen of Pdiddy and the recent hurricanes are diverting media attention to this insane news of what is going on over there. 

If Kamala Harris becomes the Commander in chief, I think that immigration will be more important than African Americans and their needs. 

Both Obama and Harris push immigration because that is what they are in contrast to African Americans of chattel slavery in this American system. I am not saying that they are not black, yes, both of them are Black, but they are pushing immigration and using their being Black to cause African Americans to support the democratic party. The Democratic Party's agenda of Gender assignment by choice is definitely against Jesus Christ. That is crazy. 

 

To vote for a leader based on Colorism is insane and also against Christ. That is a trick. 

So when Ellison said that we need to turn back to God, i hope he did not mean that we should vote Republican because they are stuck on Colorism too. 

 

 

On 9/20/2024 at 7:27 PM, umbrarchist said:

The Evil Republicans will save us!

 

How about teaching accounting to all Black kids at home.

 

 

ROFL I don't think so. I am not a MAGA follower. 

 

That book seems awesome!

 

 

[Pioneer1]

 

@Chevdove

Welcome back sis.....it's been a while since we've heard (read...lol) from you.

So given your stance on a matriarchal society, let me ask you this.....

How do you feel about Kamala Harris or any woman becoming President of the U.S.?

[Chevdove]

On 10/13/2024 at 8:53 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Welcome back sis.....it's been a while since we've heard (read...lol) from you.

So given your stance on a matriarchal society, let me ask you this.....

How do you feel about Kamala Harris or any woman becoming President of the U.S.?

 

Yes, I overlooked this post! @Pioneer1

I am still very busy but love to come to this community when I can get the time.

 

My stance on matriarchal societies is much more than just this one. I think that there are many different kinds in the past but the only one that I have a 

problem with is due to how White Supremacy is exploited.

 

Based on my research and understanding there are many ancient matriarchal systems that are beneficial but they are nothing like the Roman Empire.

I think many Black people are missing the reality about the Roman empire in how, at face value, it appears to be patriarchal, but in reality it is 

 

Matriarchal.

 

Let me break it down a little bit. Historically, the beginning of the Roman empire, although it is a hidden agenda, is that it begins with the 

'White Syrians' or 'Assyrians'. The Assyrians are an ancient people that are the backbone of the Roman 'Amorite' Empire. 

The Amorite empire, or Roman Empire is a Canaanite empire. 

These ancient Canaanite people came from the east and settled in Mesopotamia at a time when the ancient 'Black' kings dominated.

Secret 'White' societies set up in these Black kingdoms and eventually the 'black heads' were overthrown. 

These white societies were dominated by 'a matriarchal system' and these women became an obsession.

They came to live in a society called BEE HIVE communities in ancient Syria and did so for thousands of years up to the formation of Rome.

The Druzes, as they were called became known as supreme and this is the beginning of the Assyrians. 

These women formed fertility cults and were known to be predominantly blonde headed and blue-eyed women. 

 

So fast forward to the Roman empire and if you google the background of the emperors, their female origins are linked to names like 

 

DRUSUS and Druids, and Madrid, etc.

 

So, secretly, the Romans adhere to a Matriarchal system and they regard the original Canaanites, Kenites [Kenan], as a major factor because that was who they

intermixed with in their origins in the east world. Now, this is just a little of what I've researched. Therefore, the ancient Roman system of idols has always 

been based on a triad, a supreme triad; [1] the Queen Bee [2] the Earth mother [Negro woman] and, [Jupiter]. This triad changed form to fit whatever agenda

needed to get the sole support of the masses. But the ultimate goal is to completely dominate black people and elevate White Supremacy. So now,

 

how do I feel about Kamala Harris and a woman becoming president?

 

Over the years since the time of Hilary Clinton until now, I have become indifferent and I don't trust this government at all when it comes to African American human rights. I think that Kamala Harris is much more prepared than Hilary and I thought Hilary was awesome. But as in the past, I just cannot wrap my head around African Americans 

idolizing 'the Great White father'. That just seems crazy to me. Whether it is the former POTUS Bill Clinton, Trump, or Kamala' husband or Vice President or Biden, I just cannot believe this sh8t that is going on. It's so crazy. Furthermore, I have a problem with a white/black man too, as my chosen leader. I believe that I have the human right to have the leader of my nation offer me protection of my human rights and I should not have to elect an idol to prevent another human from sacrificing me. Now, if I vote, it will definitely be for a Black man though or a Black woman who his married to a Black man. sorry people. Just not going to do it. I can't bring myself to do that. 

 

Now, I am going to answer to this issue in another mode: Thousands of years ago, it was written that Moses was called down by his own people because he married a black woman and he was told that he had to get rid of her and God passed a hard judgment and a lot of people died for that evil. Fast forward to about 400 years later, and David married several black women and one of them had his son, Solomon. And God deemed Solomon to be the best man after his father. Fast forward to a thousand years later, and Jesus chose 'Black Peter' [Simon Jona] to head up his Church movement. ... God keeps acknowledging his original creation of humans to partake of their inheritance and even sent his son to mark it, but Black people continue to obsess over White Supremacy. LOL. When are we gonna ever learn. We can't have it both ways. 

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

Chev

Would you consider the state of Black America today a "matriarchy" or a "dysfunctional patriarchy"?

[harry brown]

Black. Community. Churches. Are. Controlled. By. Plantation. Black. Preachers. Who. Preach. White. Jesus. Christian.  For. Money. ...Black. People. Pay. For. Their. Enslavement. Everyday. ..Churches. ,Pimp. Houses. Crack. Houses. .Black. Democrats. Control. Votes. They Can. Live. Away. From. Crime. And. Poverty. .Preachers.  Steal. All. The. Church. Money. To. Buy. Cars. And. Houses. ..Time. For. A. Black. Political.  Party.  ,Following.   Malcolm. X. Kwanzaa. Principles.  ,..White. Democrats. White. Republicans. Both. Racist. ,,,Black. Democrats. Support. Billions. Of. U. S. Money. For. Israel. ,And. Ukraine. But. Do. Not. Cate. About. Poor. Inner. City. Communities.  Where. Democrats. AR. Coming. To. Get. Votes. ...

[Chevdove]

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Chev

Would you consider the state of Black America today a "matriarchy" or a "dysfunctional patriarchy"?

 

Definitely a matriarchy. 

I believe that America is dominated by White Supremacy and this system therefore is maintained from that perspective.

So, part of keeping this dominance, Black Americans are conditioned to submit to a matriarchy. 

In a strange manner, the single Black mother is at a terrible disadvantage, however, the system caters towards her in order to channel funds

to Black Americans. As a result, funds are offered through governmental welfare programs and the minority bourgeois class escape this

because they can get jobs that provide a high enough income to avoid this trap. 

But unfortunately, most Black Americans receive money through governmental welfare programs which are strictly maintained and keeps us

extremely oppressed. If Black men maintain relationships with their mothers or Black women, they will feel it in the pocket, but if they try to

break away, they run the risk still of being pursued by the government. That is my opinion. 

 

8 hours ago, harry brown said:

Time. For. A. Black. Political.  Party.  ,Following.   Malcolm. X. Kwanzaa. Principles.  ,..White. Democrats. White. Republicans. Both. Racist. ,,,Black. Democrats. Support. Billions. Of. U. S. Money. For. Israel. ,And. Ukraine.

 

 

8 hours ago, harry brown said:

Black. Democrats. Control. Votes. They Can. Live. Away. From. Crime. And. Poverty. .Preachers.  Steal. All. The. Church. Money. To. Buy. Cars. And. Houses

 

Ah yes! The Bourgeoisie class. 

I feel like though, if we don't support them, then we will suffer and then otoh, if we do support them then we will receive crumbs, but, is it better than what

the Republicans offer?

 

 

 

[Chevdove]

 

This post reminds me of a clip that came up on my channel!

 

 

 

Obamanos! This is the slogan that I will never forget because it was propagandized everywhere when Obama was running for office. There were bumper stickers on cars everywhere! That is what gets me, because I do not understand why African Americans did not see this is the main focus. Obama pushes immigration and now so does VP Harris. I don't understand why African Americans do not recognize that the immigration issue can be a significant problem when it comes to how we will thrive. I can understand us wanting a 'Black' president or leader but when America gives you a candidate then that may be a problem. African American DOS are now categorized as a class of immigrants and that is crazy. We are descendants of slaves and are the foundation of this American government. What about American Indians, are they now categorized as a class of immigrants!? 

 

 

[Laydee Gaga]

Voting isnt the problem

[Troy]

@Chevdove I can see we have a very different senses of humor

 

That video landed with me like joke the comedian told at the Trump rally describing Puerto Rico as a pile of trash ... meh.

 

A joke as to have some level of truth in it to be funny to me. The notion that illegal immigrants are getting so many great benefits and Americans -- especially white women -- are being denied them does not ring true.   I guess the woman being pregnant implies that she was denied an abortion ... still not very funny.

 

30 minutes ago, Laydee Gaga said:

Voting isnt the problem

 

Certainly, not voting is a problem. 

[Pioneer1]

Chev

 

I like that video.
But in my opinion the Black man should have had the WHITE/LIGHT  WOMAN play the role he played and he should have played hers.

It would have hit differently.

 

 

 

But unfortunately, most Black Americans receive money through governmental welfare programs which are strictly maintained and keeps us extremely oppressed. If Black men maintain relationships with their mothers or Black women, they will feel it in the pocket, but if they try to  break away, they run the risk still of being pursued by the government. That is my opinion. 

This is one of the reasons the Nation of Islam and Elijah Muhammad strongly encouraged his followers to get off the government "dole" and start our own businesses and work for ourselves instead of relying on White folks to support us directly or indirectly.

If more Black men and women were independent and making our own money instead of relying on a government we have little control over for their housing and food, they wouldn't have been able to use that as a tool to break up the Black family the way they did and are still doing.

 

 

 

Ah yes! The Bourgeoisie class. 

 

Well.....
It goes back to the discussion I was having with ProfD the other day about House Slave vs Field Slave.

 

It's best NOT to be a slave AT ALL.
But in MY OPINION....if you're going to be one, might as well be a House Slave.
Atleast you'll be more comfortable with more options.

 

Same with the Bourgeoisie class.
We can call them "sell outs" all we want but atleast they're living comfortably in a racist and hostile environment.
That's an achievement right there.

 

It's better to be in THAT class than to be that ashy nigga in the dirty white unlaced  tennis shoes who walks around downtown with an empty gas can begging for "gas" money.

 

[Troy]

@Pioneer1 it is perfectly understandable for people to want to be comfortable. But if you are in that bourgeoisie class and not doing anything to help the brothers and sisters that need you?, then you are no use to your people. And that’s fine too if that’s the way you wanna live.
 

Harriet Tubman didn’t have to keep going back. She could’ve lived “comfortably” as a free woman instead of continuing to risk her life to free others.

I appreciate most of us are not built that way, but that’s what distinguishes a hero.

 

 

[Chevdove]

On 10/29/2024 at 10:54 AM, Troy said:

I can see we have a very different senses of humor

 

Should I feel insulted @Troy ?

 

On 10/29/2024 at 10:54 AM, Troy said:

That video landed with me like joke the comedian told at the Trump rally describing Puerto Rico as a pile of trash ... meh.

 

A joke as to have some level of truth in it to be funny to me. The notion that illegal immigrants are getting so many great benefits and Americans -- especially white women -- are being denied them does not ring true.   I guess the woman being pregnant implies that she was denied an abortion ... still not very funny.

 

So if the skit was with a 'Black woman' then, you maybe would consider that there is some 'level of truth in it'?

You don't believe that this government is giving benefits to immigrants over Black Americans in terms of housing and jobs?

Just recently, I know a Black person who has just been served   'a judgement' for housing and rent. 

This person earned a degree, passed national exams, got married to a Black man who has a degree and they had two children, lost their careers do to 

false allegations. They lost thier children due to false allegations. They have been financially destroyed and cannot get good jobs and housing. 

Meanwhile, immigration seems to be a big issue in politics. You don't believe that this government is financially helping immigrants more than their 

own citizens? smh.

 

 

 

[Chevdove]

On 10/29/2024 at 10:54 AM, Troy said:

 

On 10/29/2024 at 10:22 AM, Laydee Gaga said:

Voting isnt the problem

 

Certainly, not voting is a problem. 

 

 

@Troy Certainly, not voting is a problem. 

 

 

I could see where one might believe that NOT voting for a 'positive' Black American DOS to be the president as being a problem. 

 

But when Black Americans try to bully another Black to vote for a White person or a part-White person to be their leader, now that is a problem. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ProfD]

On 10/29/2024 at 10:54 AM, Troy said:

Certainly, not voting is a problem. 

I hear and see some version of that every election season.

 

I don't know of anyone who has gotten sick and/or died because they didn't vote. 

 

In fact, I don't know of anyone who has lost everything because they didn't vote. 

 

Not voting is a problem for those who have clearly defined interest(s) that are not being met. 

 

It's hard to hold politicians accountable for anything in the absence of helping to put them in office.

 

Not having solid reason(s) for voting is a bigger problem. 

 

Especially for Black people who's vote seems to carry a lot of weight according to the media.

[Troy]

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Should I feel insulted @Troy ?

Absolutely not! that was what the smiley face was for. no two people have the same sense of humor, but yours is very different from mine. You seem to like cutesie comedy Like that mixed race couple with the baby. I’m sure a lot of people find that adorable, I’m just not one of them.

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

You don't believe that this government is giving benefits to immigrants over Black Americans in terms of housing and jobs?

The joke implied that the immigrants were illegal ones crossing the southern border. So no, I don’t think they’re getting benefits over Black Americans who like all Americans enjoy Social Security, low cost or free medical insurance, food assistance, housing assistance,  unemployment benefits, and a variety of tax credits.

 

Let me ask you this @Chevdove would you rather be who you are now, or an immigrant who just crossed the southern border illegally?

 

6 hours ago, Chevdove said:

But when Black Americans try to bully another Black to vote for a White person or a part-White person to be their leader, now that is a problem. 

 

Agreed. We should not bully each other nor call each other garbage or a basket of deplorable.

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

I don't know of anyone who has gotten sick and/or died because they didn't vote. 

You’re looking at it wrong @ProfD. Your focus on I or the individual is the problem. The strength of our vote comes from the collective. If the only people who voted were Klansman, what kind of country do you think that we would have? Yes, the kind of country we had before Black people were allowed to vote. 
 

Unfortunately, with our current set up those of us who refuse to vote for Trump, but can’t stomach voting for Kamala are only helping Trump. Obviously in the swing states this is crucial. Now, if you truly believe that there will be no difference between a Trump and Harris presidency and you don’t care who wins I can see you not voting. 
 

But it seems to me one would have to be pretty dim witted not to see a difference between the candidates and not to have a preference for one over the other. 

[ProfD]

15 minutes ago, Troy said:

Absolutely not! that was what the smiley face was for. no two people have the same sense of humor, but yours is very different from mine. You seem to like cutesie comedy Like that mixed race couple with the baby. I’m sure a lot of people find that adorable, I’m just not one of them.

 

The joke implied that the immigrants were illegal ones crossing the southern border. So no, I don’t think they’re getting benefits over Black Americans who like all Americans enjoy Social Security, low cost or free medical insurance, food assistance, housing assistance,  unemployment benefits, and a variety of tax credits.

 

Let me ask you this @Chevdove would you rather be who you are now, or an immigrant who just crossed the southern border illegally?

 

 

Agreed. We should not bully each other nor call each other garbage or a basket of deplorable.

 

You’re looking at it wrong @ProfD. Your focus on I or the individual is the problem.

Actually, I'm looking at Black folks collectively and how we've voted historically and what we've gotten for our loyalty.

15 minutes ago, Troy said:

Unfortunately, with our current set up those of us who refuse to vote for Trump, but can’t stomach voting for Kamala are only helping Trump.

We shouldn't only vote out of fear. 

15 minutes ago, Troy said:

But it seems to me one would have to be pretty dim witted not to see a difference between the candidates and not to have a preference for one over the other. 

It doesn't take much to see the difference between them.

 

The question is which one of them is going to do the most to make the country better.

[Troy]

5 minutes ago, ProfD said:

It doesn't take much to see the difference between them.

 

The question is which one of them is going to do the most to make the country better.

 

right. All you have to do is pick the one that appears most to you. 
 

Fear is a valid reason for making a decision on which candidate to vote. The only time Fear shouldn’t be a factor is when you afraid you might get lynched for voting.

 

8 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Actually, I'm looking at Black folks collectively and how we've voted historically and what we've gotten for our loyalty.

You really can’t think of a single thing that has benefited Black people through the power of the vote… not even in a local election? 

[Chevdove]

45 minutes ago, Troy said:

Absolutely not! that was what the smiley face was for. no two people have the same sense of humor, but yours is very different from mine. You seem to like cutesie comedy Like that mixed race couple with the baby. I’m sure a lot of people find that adorable, I’m just not one of them.

 

Thank you for helping me to understand what you meant. Because i don't want to be offensive. 

I think that couple is funny and remind me of I Love Lucy and Carol Burnette skits. And I did think it was a decent gesture to 

give a shout out to a positive inter-racial family as a nice add on. But, I've posted some other favorites of mine too of Black humor and you

commented on them and seem to suggest that you had liked them. I've posted some of my all out favorite comedians, Katt Williams and Chris Rock, and 

you've seem to like them. 

 

 

 

[ProfD]

16 minutes ago, Troy said:

Fear is a valid reason for making a decision on which candidate to vote.

Unfounded or unsubstantiated fear is an irrational reason for making decisions. 

16 minutes ago, Troy said:

You really can’t think of a single thing that has benefited Black people through the power of the vote… not even in a local election? 

I cannot think of anything tangible that Black folks have received in return for their vote. Tokenism and symbolism doesn't count.

[Chevdove]

51 minutes ago, Troy said:

The joke implied that the immigrants were illegal ones crossing the southern border. So no, I don’t think they’re getting benefits over Black Americans who like all Americans enjoy Social Security, low cost or free medical insurance, food assistance, housing assistance,  unemployment benefits, and a variety of tax credits.

 

Let me ask you this @Chevdove would you rather be who you are now, or an immigrant who just crossed the southern border illegally?

 

See, I think you are of a higher class. Not all Black Americans want to have to be reduced down to having to need the government to give them free medical insurance that they have to pick 'what is offered', or receive food assistance, and housing assistance because you cannot get income to not have to depend on it. 

That is how oppressive America is too most of us Black folk. I can't believe that you don't understand this. 

 

How many White people have immigrated here, went to college or some training school, and be able to get jobs that offer a good income so they can choose the neighborhoods they want to live in. They can buy homes, get mortgages and not have to depend on 'hand outs' and live in low income communities?

 

If you achieved high above the mark and applied for jobs that you know you did not get because you are Black and you know many White people did not have to press as hard as you did and gotten better jobs, homes, lifestyle, then you know tht this system is unfair. 

 

Many Black people are pushed down at the level and much lower than immigrants. This government is wrong for their immigration program. yes they are, but I am not saying that Republicans won't do it either. I think that they will. But, that immigration program is obvious and if the Democrats are doing it, then it is wrong. 

 

Of course, they're doing it. Obama is an immigrant. And so is Kamala Harris. 

 

So, as far as me being 'an immigrant', I could be if i chose, but as a Black American from South America or etc., I would not immigrate to America from Brazil or Haiti illegally, no way, because, I beleive they would put me in an inner city among Black Americans that are poverty stricken and they would not do that to an illegal Mexican immigrant. 

 

 

[Troy]

9 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Unfounded or unsubstantiated fear is an irrational reason for making decisions. 

Always. And that’s true by definition.

 

10 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I cannot think of anything tangible that Black folks have received in return for their vote.

…okay. Since I have no idea who you voted for and what that person did not do I really can’t argue the point, but it does seem intellectually dishonest, but I’ll take you at your word.

 

6 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

See, I think you are of a higher class. Not all Black Americans want to have to be reduced down to having to need the government to give them free medical insurance…

Whachu talking about Willis? I definitely want free medical insurance and I think every Americans should get it as wealthy as this country is.

That also includes any benefits that can be provided to people who need them.

 

as far as the rest of what you wrote, it diverges greatly from the original point, which was you feel that illegal immigrants get more benefits from America than Black people do. Again that is it idea that I don’t agree with. 
 

So are you telling me you would rather be an illegal immigrant from Mexico than a Black American…. Really?

[ProfD]

12 minutes ago, Troy said:

…okay. Since I have no idea who you voted for and what that person did not do I really can’t argue the point, but it does seem intellectually dishonest, but I’ll take you at your word.

No reason for argument. No intellectual dishonesty.

 

Because Black folks haven't demanded anything tangible from any POTUS, we haven't received anything.

 

IOW, we got exactly what we asked for...nothing.

 

That goes for politicians across the board. They work for special amd permanent interests. 

 

If Black folks have received anything tangible from politicians IMO it has been by default not by demand. 

 

Asking for better schools or more job opportunities or health care benefits all Americans.

 

That's not the same as demanding billions of dollars to develop a Black infrastructure that enables our people to become more self-sufficient and autonomous. 

 

Israel and Ukraine and other countries get billions of US dollars every year for nothing.

[Chevdove]

22 minutes ago, Troy said:

 

So are you telling me you would rather be an illegal immigrant from Mexico than a Black American…. Really?

 

No!

If I were a Mexican, i would not come to America, if America had done the right thing. I wouldn't waste my time being an illegal immigrant because I knew I would not get anything that was suppose to go to an African American DOS. 

People know where to go to get freebies.

You won't here people scrambling to go to a third world country, would you?

 

 

 

[Troy]

@Chevdove sure you’d be hard-pressed to find many ADOS who would actually pick up stakes here in America and permanently move anywhere else in the world? Sure they are people who do it. I know a few.. some do it because cost-of-living, easy access to women, or to escape incarceration. Most of these going to Panama, Dominican Republic, Thailand.

 

As you know, our buddy Delano emigrated to Australia. Hey @Delano did you ever share why you moved down under?

 

I met a bunch of folks in Ghana, mostly middle-aged women who emigrated from the United States. 

[Chevdove]

@Troy One of my sons talks about it all the time. He keeps telling me about this topic and speaks about Thailand.

He's mentioned how ADOS have picked up and went to places like Panama too. 

I still think it's a trend but there is a bigger picture too, that has not come out yet.

i don't see any connections yet, but I wonder about how the conflicts with this very subject is playing out in places like London and immigration conflict

over there. Many people want to come to America and then you have some Americans that want to leave. 

 

 

[Troy]

Yeah ADOS have been leaving the US since emancipation.  

[Delano]

10 hours ago, Troy said:

you know, our buddy Delano emigrated to Australia. Hey @Delano did you ever share why you moved dow

I was in love.

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Delano said:

I was in love.

Brotha Del, you traveled a long way for love. I hope it was worth the trip and staying there.

[Delano]

I couldn't be further from home. 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Brotha Del, you traveled a long way for love. I hope it was worth the trip and staying there

That would be an understatement.

Why Does Black America Keep Voting for its own Self Destruction?

 

You're are assuming that there is an alternative. 

 

Black people never had the rights of citizens. Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

 

The Native people of America fared worse than Blacks. 

 

A brief look at history and the news. Would or rather should clarify the issue.

 

 

 

 

[Chevdove]

On 10/31/2024 at 3:39 PM, Delano said:

You're are assuming that there is an alternative.

 

I can see why Black folk would want to leave for this very reason. They don't see this voting system as an alternative.

And, for so many, i have to agree. 

 

I do applaud the ones that make the effort to try for change though because I don't believe that everyone has that opportunity to leave captivity and fare good in other countries. So I appreciate the Black Americans that do fight this American system to try and bring some relief. 

 

 

On 10/30/2024 at 11:41 PM, Troy said:

Yeah ADOS have been leaving the US since emancipation.  

 

You're right!

 

 

[richardmurray]

On 9/21/2024 at 8:27 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Instead of constantly running from one plantation to another plantation and fleeing one cruel white "massa" only to end up under the whip of another; we should form OUR OWN political party and push OUR agenda.

@Pioneer1 

I have publicly said this myself, in this very forum, many times. 

The only things i can add that I have't said before are: 

1. I can't recall any black person , very popular or highly active in the government, promoting a black party of governance... meaning whether back people advocate the elephants or the donkeys or independent none say black party of governance so... what unite these three groups who tend to speak ill of each other but are all assured in no black party of governance. Black independents talk about voting issue by issue, cycle by cycle, but never a black party. Black elephants even when the party of abraham lincoln does clearly anti black things never thinks to break  off. Black donkeys even when the party of andrew jackson does clearly anti black things never thinks to break off. so... conspiracy maybe, but clearly something unites those three groups all of whom tend to be financially of the most wealthy black folks

2. I think I haven't seen one quality attempt at a third party in the usa, and i think two things have to be said. First the donkeys + elephants will work together to stop a consistent third party from forming. Too fe admit this, like the elephants or donkeys want another player, they don't. Second, I do think the structure/design/demographic strategy of a third party,any third party has to be more respected. I recall the reform party. It had two problems at the end. It became too beholden to the elephants. and second, it realize how to focus on the places its won and simply be content. I do think the infatuation with the presidency and third parties is a problem overall. The black populace of the usa isn't demographically even everywhere so any functional party of governance for black people in the usa can't be a federal wide party. I jus tthink that is a simple truth that gets lost or not admitted enough. So accepting these things, a black party of governance can't be shaped/structured/designed like the elephants or donkeys. And I think that is part of the problem.