Pioneer1 Posted March 3 Author Report Posted March 3 ProfD The information superhighway is available to everyone. Even thr poorest folks have access to comouters. They can seek put help. 1. No matter how much information is at a person's disposal, if they don't have enough intelligence to USE it..it's literally USE-LESS to them. Many people don't know how to use the information they're given to solve their problems. 2. As I said before, many poor people have substance abuse problems. They missed the "just say no" Nancy Reagan ads back in the 80s. So they KNOW they have a problem and they know the solution is to leave that shit alone, but they're addicted and THAT'S what's keeping them in poverty. The inability to solve problems constructively will always leave people in a vulnerable position. Destructive behaviors only make it worse. I agree. Which is why many if them can't solve their problems and WILL engage in destructive behavior. So who's the victim and who's the victimizer in these situations? A few issues there...1) Black folks didn't have enough resources to buy equipment and materials to build But we still built massive cities and towns all over the nation anyway. 2) post-slavery white folks weren't going to hire and pay Black folks to work for them We didn't need them. We were busy working and building for ourselves in the various Balck Wall Streets and Rosewoods scattered all over the Reconstructing nation. white folks weren't going to consume whatever Black folks produced. They sho' loved to consume the FOOD we cooked, lol. Post-Slavery Black folks were in a situation of not having...no job, money, housing, transportation, etc. It's hard to build from a net negative position. But they did it anyway. And...based on my limited knowledge...they actually produced more than most AfroAmericans have today! AfroAmericans may have more MONEY today than in the late 1800s. But we have less land, skills, and independence than the AfroAmericans had during Reconstruction. Chev I think that, because of Africa though, religion will always be a big topic and stumbling block for the western world. I don't think Africans will ever stop being religious. I also think that we need to look at religion from an historical point of view too, in order to understand why Africans, for the most part will never separate from religion, whether or not they agree with each others form of religion. Well, we are Spiritual and morally righteous people by nature. We WANT to do what we believe is right. The problem is, most religions are designed to BRAINWASH people into believe in THEIR versions of "right" and "wrong". So a good person who wants to do "right" may be deluded into thinking that what their religion TELLS them is "right"...actually is. I think that many Black Americans don't like religion because they don't understand what America did in exploiting it. Americans and certain ancient east world people are, by nature, Separatist. They Separated Church and State, but they did this after they did a 'bait and switch' deceptive programming in order to encourage their Blacks to separate from religion. They can easily separate church and state and compartmentalize religion AWAY from their business lives, day to day lives, and even their sex lives...because they don't really believe in it in the first place. Regardless of WHAT religion they claim, most Caucasians don't truly believe in their religion. They USE it for their benefit or as a weapon of control over others. Like getting power, wealth, sex, authority, etc... If they aren't getting this from it, most of the time they'll abandon it or just simply claim it IN NAME ONLY. Admitting that they don't believe in the tenants of that faith. First, they infiltrate. Then they act as if they accept the indigenous peoples religion, then they introduce ideas of opposition, then they introduce their fee way of thinking and believing and then comes division, and finally separation. That's another tactic. and most Africans are now aware of this deception, so they won't ever separate from their religion, imo. Well, let's keep this 100......... The fact is, most Africans are religious because they feel that their particular religion brings them CULTURALLY closer to whoever colonized them because they feel their colonizers are superior. For example..... If a group of Africans were colonized by Arabs for several generations; they will see the Arabs as superior. Many of them will join the Muslim religion as an attempt to be culturally closer to Arabs as an attempt to "improve" themselves and raise their status above the other non-believing Africans. We know a lot of Africans are typical Christians like Catholic, Evangelical, ect....but now even this isn't enough because too many other Black folks are in it so many of them are joining these "exotic" Christian subsets like 7th Day Adventist and Mormonism. They see this as culturally getting closer to Whiteness which they believe will afford them and their families more economic and social opportunities.
Pioneer1 Posted March 4 Author Report Posted March 4 frankster Who Bougth or Brought the "dope"....? He who brought the dope is the Victimizer.....looking for the weak and vulnerable to victimize The dope DEALER literally "brings" the dope, to sell it to you...unless you go to the "dope spot/pet shop/bird house/trap house/crack house" to get it. Not "cold hearted"...oppressed young and hungry.. Willing to sell poison and kill is willing to sell poison and kill, regardless as to excuses you're making for them. Drugs dealers have no protocol.....they have street codes That's what a code IS...a protocol. Methodical ways of doing things, especially in a way that works. Yes....but one is considered Illicit I said both the drug dealer and the doctor are pushing drugs on their customers. This is a fact. Who is considered more "legitimate" isn't the point. Truth and Life is often humorus.. What I meant by "joke" is you claiming that the drug dealer wants you as a customer for life, but the doctor just wants to ease your discomfort...as if THEY don't want you as a customer for life also. The medical industry makes BILLIONS of dollars of keeping people dependent on them. Some are dependent from the time they're born to the time they die. Life long customers. They claim there's no cure for Diabetes. So if a Diabetic is taking medication, doesn't that make them a LIFE LONG customer for drugs? Those are the breaks....those payday loans only tends to make it worse Speak for yourself....Kurtis Blow. They may be "the breaks" from your point of view but it may have SAVED THE DAY and averted a catastrophe for somebody who needed some quick cash and didn't have anyone else to turn to. Having children by intention or accident is a sure sign of hope for the future These are YOUR assumptions, not necessarily those of all or even most of your Ancestors. Since they Inherited it....and remain in poverty - it never led to poverty When I said "led" to poverty, I was speaking of their parents and their behavior. Held accountable by whom??? According to the Bible, God and Jesus. Africans basic is philosophy Ubuntu....I am because we are - Shared Humanity European basic philosophy is.....I think there I am - Rugged Individuality Ok... And which group is the wealthiest and most economically stable? So then forgiveness is all but guaranteed Guaranteed by Whom or whom? A human being (those who wrote the scriptures) can't "guarantee" what the Divine will or will not do. A Catholic Priest can chant "your sins are forgiven" until his tongue falls out; that doesn't mean your sins actually ARE forgiven and that you won't have to answer for them. They are all Victims of Racism.. So if a Black man robs your home, you'll let him go because he too is a victim of racism? What if he assaults somebody you love? Will you excuse this and forgive him because he's a victim of racism? Come on man...... Yes Well if they were THAT easily tricked into killing people, selling dope, and bragging about it in prison then they SHOULD be institutionalized! They don't have enough sense to live independently. Too gullible. Too easily tricked and duped. We don't want people walking around who are so stupid that they can easily be "tricked" not only into selling dope but killing other people. Put them up in an institution somewhere. Most rappers will tell they did not undestand their contracts till years later....worst they never even read it You can blame racism for a lot of things, but White folks didn't shape their brains or make them stupid. They were born stupid and their stupidity was taken advantage of. They are Religionists by virtue of their parents.....practicing a religion Religionist do not follow scripture Sure, many if not most of them do. If Allowed by the Oppressor? Not allowed by the Oppressor, just DONE anyway...regardless if the Oppressor gives them permission or not. Many Native Americans live on Reservations where they can literally make their own laws and rules and teach their children whatever they want. 90% of the Whites who died during the American Civil War of the Confederacy.....owned no enslaved person - they simply could no afford one. What does that tell you ? It tells me that they WANTED Slaves too but just couldn't afford one. You don't get credit for not being able to AFFORD to practice your evil. Protection starts when it is a Way of Being Sounds to me that it's not the SCRIPTURE offering the protection but your CHANGE OF BEHAVIOR that is really protecting you. Western christians teach that religious use of scripture does protect you from the past... Africans Spirituality teaches that Past actions must impact Present and Future.... When you speak of "African Spirituality" exactly WHICH African tradition are you speaking of? What tribe/ethnicity and practice?
ProfD Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Which is why many if them can't solve their problems and WILL engage in destructive behavior. So who's the victim and who's the victimizer in these situations? It will take a miracle but the solution to their problems is for victims (poverty) to turn from their self-destructive behavior to wage war against the victimizers (greedy oppressors). 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: But we still built massive cities and towns all over the nation anyway. We didn't need them. We were busy working and building for ourselves in the various Balck Wall Streets and Rosewoods scattered all over the Reconstructing nation. Post-Slavery Black folks were in a situation of not having...no job, money, housing, transportation, etc. It's hard to build from a net negative position. But they did it anyway. And...based on my limited knowledge...they actually produced more than most AfroAmericans have today! AfroAmericans may have more MONEY today than in the late 1800s. But we have less land, skills, and independence than the AfroAmericans had during Reconstruction. It's helpful to know 1) how Black folks got the money and resources to build and 2) why white folks were so easily able to destroy it.
frankster Posted March 4 Report Posted March 4 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Who Bougth or Brought the "dope"....? He who brought the dope is the Victimizer.....looking for the weak and vulnerable to victimize The dope DEALER literally "brings" the dope, to sell it to you...unless you go to the "dope spot/pet shop/bird house/trap house/crack house" to get it. Nope... The CIA bought and brought the dope into the country. 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Not "cold hearted"...oppressed young and hungry.. Willing to sell poison and kill is willing to sell poison and kill, regardless as to excuses you're making for them. Trying to survive and live 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Drugs dealers have no protocol.....they have street codes That's what a code IS...a protocol. Methodical ways of doing things, especially in a way that works. Street code are informal....and usually involves illicit behavior A doctors protocol are formal 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes....but one is considered Illicit I said both the drug dealer and the doctor are pushing drugs on their customers. This is a fact. Who is considered more "legitimate" isn't the point. That is the point.... One has the approval and permission of state and or governmental authority to prescribe drugs the other does not. 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Truth and Life is often humorus.. What I meant by "joke" is you claiming that the drug dealer wants you as a customer for life, but the doctor just wants to ease your discomfort...as if THEY don't want you as a customer for life also. Most people go to doctors because of an illness they want to have treated or cured....Patients recieve care Most people go to the dope dealer to get high....Customers buy a good or service 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The medical industry makes BILLIONS of dollars of keeping people dependent on them. Some are dependent from the time they're born to the time they die. Life long customers. Doctors for the most part do not make Drugs....Drugs are made by the Pharmaceutical Industry 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They claim there's no cure for Diabetes. So if a Diabetic is taking medication, doesn't that make them a LIFE LONG customer for drugs? If they remain ill....then they doctors gives palliative care. The care provided by doctors allows to function within society in most cases 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Those are the breaks....those payday loans only tends to make it worse Speak for yourself....Kurtis Blow. They may be "the breaks" from your point of view but it may have SAVED THE DAY and averted a catastrophe for somebody who needed some quick cash and didn't have anyone else to turn to. Thousand of black families in Baltimore says it did not help....it made matters worst. 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Having children by intention or accident is a sure sign of hope for the future These are YOUR assumptions, not necessarily those of all or even most of your Ancestors. Children are all about the future... 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Since they Inherited it....and remain in poverty - it never led to poverty When I said "led" to poverty, I was speaking of their parents and their behavior. And I explain that already.....That most of the first freed black people started out in poverty. 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Held accountable by whom??? According to the Bible, God and Jesus. Show me chapter and verse.. 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Africans basic is philosophy Ubuntu....I am because we are - Shared Humanity European basic philosophy is.....I think there I am - Rugged Individuality Ok... And which group is the wealthiest and most economically stable? Today......More wealthy and economically Europeans 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So then forgiveness is all but guaranteed Guaranteed by Whom or whom? A human being (those who wrote the scriptures) can't "guarantee" what the Divine will or will not do. A Catholic Priest can chant "your sins are forgiven" until his tongue falls out; that doesn't mean your sins actually ARE forgiven and that you won't have to answer for them. According to western Christian....that is how it is. 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They are all Victims of Racism.. So if a Black man robs your home, you'll let him go because he too is a victim of racism? What if he assaults somebody you love? Will you excuse this and forgive him because he's a victim of racism? Come on man...... The truth is he is a victim of racism Whether or not I will forgive him is another question In South Africa....Racist white admit to killing and raping and the government of Black South African forgave them all 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes Well if they were THAT easily tricked into killing people, selling dope, and bragging about it in prison then they SHOULD be institutionalized! They don't have enough sense to live independently. Too gullible. Too easily tricked and duped. We don't want people walking around who are so stupid that they can easily be "tricked" not only into selling dope but killing other people. Put them up in an institution somewhere. The need help 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Most rappers will tell they did not undestand their contracts till years later....worst they never even read it You can blame racism for a lot of things, but White folks didn't shape their brains or make them stupid. They were born stupid and their stupidity was taken advantage of. Oh yes they did it is called the "dumbing down" of society 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They are Religionists by virtue of their parents.....practicing a religion Religionist do not follow scripture Sure, many if not most of them do. No person who practice religion followers scripture....they follow dogma 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If Allowed by the Oppressor? Not allowed by the Oppressor, just DONE anyway...regardless if the Oppressor gives them permission or not. Many Native Americans live on Reservations where they can literally make their own laws and rules and teach their children whatever they want. Not True they can't do what they want.. 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: 90% of the Whites who died during the American Civil War of the Confederacy.....owned no enslaved person - they simply could no afford one. What does that tell you ? It tells me that they WANTED Slaves too but just couldn't afford one. You don't get credit for not being able to AFFORD to practice your evil. It shows that they die in order to keep slavery and racism alive 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Protection starts when it is a Way of Being Sounds to me that it's not the SCRIPTURE offering the protection but your CHANGE OF BEHAVIOR that is really protecting you. Yes....behavior prescribe by scriptures 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Western christians teach that religious use of scripture does protect you from the past... Africans Spirituality teaches that Past actions must impact Present and Future.... When you speak of "African Spirituality" exactly WHICH African tradition are you speaking of? What tribe/ethnicity and practice? Ubuntu
umbrarchist Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 On 2/28/2025 at 8:06 PM, ProfD said: The information superhighway is available to everyone. Even thr poorest folks have access to comouters. They can seek put help. Are you sure that it is not a bullshit superhighway? The noise to information ratio is pretty bad. And then there is the problem of judging the information. On BlueSky I had one man completely agree with me and start following and another say that I was full of crap and embarrassing myself on the same subject. I think the super highway is mostly good but I read a lot before it existed. I just regret the time wasted wading through obvious bullshit. .
ProfD Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 18 minutes ago, umbrarchist said: Are you sure that it is not a bullshit superhighway? The noise to information ratio is pretty bad. I think the super highway is mostly good but I read a lot before it existed. I just regret the time wasted wading through obvious bullshit. There's never been a shortage of useless and/or erroneous information from printed material to digital. Whether it's libraries or the information superhighway, the onus remains on the individual having to seek out the *right* information to gain more useful knowledge.
umbrarchist Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 7 hours ago, ProfD said: There's never been a shortage of useless and/or erroneous information from printed material to digital. The books were not shoving themselves in my face the last time I was in a library. I have to keep clicking ads out of my face just to see this website. I don't come here often.
ProfD Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 8 hours ago, umbrarchist said: The books were not shoving themselves in my face the last time I was in a library. Sure. Something guided towards reading material whether it was a recommendation or author familiarity or an interesting cover, etc. 8 hours ago, umbrarchist said: I have to keep clicking ads out of my face just to see this website. I don't come here often. Ad blockers can reduce if it's an annoyance.
Troy Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 Interesting back and forth. Sure, flimflammers and confidence men existed long before the days of the world-wide web. However, the web does allow scammers to become orders of magnitude more effective. I think many of dismiss the adverse impact of the "algorithm" far too easily perhaps naively. We all believe we are less impacted than the other guy, but we don't have the capacity to understand how we are being impacted. Again, my strategy is avoidance, but if you are active online, as i am, you can't avoid AI-powered-algorithmically-driven feed desired to steal your attention. I go to YouTube to upload a video. YouTube buries my workspace and prominently displays the feed. 30 minutes later watch stupid videos I'm kicking myself wasting time and having to remind myself why on was on YouTube in the first place. I can stop using YouTube. The reason for me using a video sharing website, saving disk space and bandwidth are no longer factors. I can upload my videos to my own server. But I continue to use YouTube. Probably because I've been brainwashed to do so.
ProfD Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 22 minutes ago, Troy said: Interesting back and forth. Sure, flimflammers and confidence men existed long before the days of the world-wide web. However, the web does allow scammers to become orders of magnitude more effective. I think many of dismiss the adverse impact of the "algorithm" far too easily perhaps naively. Again, my strategy is avoidance, but if you are active online, as i am, you can't avoid AI-powered-algorithmically-driven feed desired to steal your attention. Regardless of the times we live in, the onus remains on us individually to adapt and sift through and filter out the noise. Technology makes it different but the game remains the same.
Troy Posted March 5 Report Posted March 5 2 hours ago, ProfD said: the onus remains on us individually to adapt and sift through and filter out the noise. Sure, that is true, but in 2025 doing so is MUCH more difficult that it was 30 years ago. So, while the game may remain the same it is much harder to win. There is an entire generation of adults wandering around who don't know a world where they have not been manipulated by the algorithm. Who needs social (web-based) approval for a positive self-esteem. They interact more comfortably with other humans through a screen than in person. They need trigger warnings and peanuts will kill them. Their genders and sexual orientation are fluid. Their biggest aspiration is to "go viral." Unfortunately, we handed them a hot mess, one I'm not sure they are prepared to deal with.
ProfD Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 2 hours ago, Troy said: Sure, that is true, but in 2025 doing so is MUCH more difficult that it was 30 years ago. There is an entire generation of adults wandering around who don't know a world where they have not been manipulated by the algorithm. Every generation from the Silent to Baby Boomers to GenX seems to have some type of concern for the next coming up behind them. Before there was computers, internet and social media, many people built and/or maintained relationships through writing letters. Especially those who were in the military or school or courting long distance. Humans are social creatures. They will eventually emerge from behind their technology to hook up and procreate. Otherwise, humanity as we know it disappear. Those of us over 50 years old have more immediate concerns. We're closer to the finish line. We managed not to blow up the world. I believe the *kids* will be all right in the long run.
Pioneer1 Posted March 6 Author Report Posted March 6 ProfD It will take a miracle but the solution to their problems is for victims (poverty) to turn from their self-destructive behavior to wage war against the victimizers (greedy oppressors). You're right. In many cases, it WILL take a Miracle for some people to solve their problems because either they don't have the intellectual capability to do so OR the problems are too complex, OR both. However Miracles happen all the time, so there is hope for every problem. As far as calling those in poverty -victims.... SOME are victims, but others are in that condition by their own making. Again, most poorly functioning drug addicts in the United States who ended up in poverty PUT THEMSELVES in that position by fucking with dope in the first place. Being stupid or making a stupid decision doesn't automatically make you a victim anymore than a person who steals a car and ends up dying in it while trying to get away makes them all of a sudden "innocent" of the crime. It's helpful to know 1) how Black folks got the money and resources to build and 2) why white folks were so easily able to destroy it. I agree, it IS helpful. Especially if we plan on trying to improve on what our Ancestors started by rebuilding those cities and more and becoming an independent people again. Otherwise, it makes for a good read for a Black History buff...lol. umbrarchist Are you sure that it is not a bullshit superhighway? The noise to information ratio is pretty bad. And then there is the problem of judging the information. On BlueSky I had one man completely agree with me and start following and another say that I was full of crap and embarrassing myself on the same subject. I think the super highway is mostly good but I read a lot before it existed. I just regret the time wasted wading through obvious bullshit. Like I tell people.... There's a difference between INFORMATION and FACTS. You can find a whole lot of INFORMATION on the internet...people just typing up a bunch of shit and saying things. But what makes them FACTS is whether or not they're TRUE. frankster Nope... The CIA bought and brought the dope into the country. The CIA may have brought the dope to the country. But DeMario brought it HOME, cooked it up, and brought it to the party to distribute and make money. Both are guilty. Trying to survive and live Don't say trying to "survive". Say trying to live a moderately standard to lavish lifestyle. Back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s right up until now.... What city or county in the United States CAN'T an able bodied person get a job that pays enough for them to afford a room, 2 square meals, and some clothes? No, you may not have a car or your own house, but you CAN survive. Over 95% of people in the poorest areas can SURVIVE by legal means. Most of them just don't want to and would rather have an illegal hustle to live the type of lifestyle they want. Street code are informal....and usually involves illicit behavior A doctors protocol are formal Formal or informal...doesn't matter. Both are protocols/codes/ways of doing things. That is the point.... One has the approval and permission of state and or governmental authority to prescribe drugs the other does not. Not that's NOT the point. The point was that BOTH are pushing drugs on you and BOTH...for the most part...want to keep you as a life long customer. That's MY point. Most people go to doctors because of an illness they want to have treated or cured....Patients recieve care Most people go to the dope dealer to get high....Customers buy a good or service Thanks for the information. Again, MY POINT is that both are pushing drugs on you and BOTH for the most part want to keep you as a life long customer. Children are all about the future... YOU are the future, when you live from one moment to the next. Some parents out live their children. Don't look to your children, look to yourself to change things...if you want them to change. And I explain that already.....That most of the first freed black people started out in poverty. You didn't "explain" jack...lol. What you did was ATTEMPT to make excuses for those HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who came from solid wealthy and middle-class homes and ENDED UP in poverty because of substance abuse, criminal behavior, mental problems, and other dysfunctions. Yes the legacy of Slavery had lasting effects on our community, but I'm not going to blame Slavery on ALL of it. Show me chapter and verse.. 2 Timothy 4:1-22 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, Revelation 20:11-12 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. Today......More wealthy and economically Europeans Ok. So what GOOD is quoting or even adhering to African basic philosophy if the European philosophy leads to more wealth and prosperity? If we are to say African philosophy is better, we need EVIDENCE that it is. Where's the wealth? Where's the healing? Where's the prosperity? What EVIDENCE is there that so-called "African philosophy" is better than so-called "European philosophy"? The need help Maybe. But what we DO know is that people who are easily tricked and influenced into killing others are dangerous and need to be kept AWAY from the general population for the safety of society. We can get into "helping" them later after they are in a secure space. Oh yes they did it is called the "dumbing down" of society Some people were "dumbed down" through diet and the educational system; others were BORN dumb/stupid/low intelligence. No person who practice religion followers scripture That's simply not true. Not True they can't do what they want.. They can do more than what they're doing. It shows that they die in order to keep slavery and racism alive That too. Yes....behavior prescribe by scriptures Some of it is just plain common sense. If you stop smoking, ofcourse you'll be healthier and have more money. If you stop using drugs, ofcourse your life will improve and you'll stop having run-ins with law enforcement. Millions of Japanese don't drink or use drugs and live healthy solid lives and don't need "scripture" to do so. They just naturally have sense enough to live a decent life and live in a society that encourages this. Ubuntu Ok, thank you.
frankster Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Nope... The CIA bought and brought the dope into the country. The CIA may have brought the dope to the country. But DeMario brought it HOME, cooked it up, and brought it to the party to distribute and make money. Both are guilty. I consider drug dealers from depressed inner city slums under (economic) duress and are in entrapment 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Trying to survive and live Don't say trying to "survive". Say trying to live a moderately standard to lavish lifestyle. I stand by my word... 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s right up until now.... What city or county in the United States CAN'T an able bodied person get a job that pays enough for them to afford a room, 2 square meals, and some clothes? No, you may not have a car or your own house, but you CAN survive. Black individual who are previously incarcerated cannot find a job that pays a living wage ....most places in the USA 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Over 95% of people in the poorest areas can SURVIVE by legal means. Most of them just don't want to and would rather have an illegal hustle to live the type of lifestyle they want. If that where true there would be no ghettos Subsistence and Minimum wages does to pay enough for and individual much less a family to survive. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Street code are informal....and usually involves illicit behavior A doctors protocol are formal Formal or informal...doesn't matter. Both are protocols/codes/ways of doing things. Street codes are informal no quality control standards or oversight no uniformity or regularity or independent testing and safeguards...in short no institutional structure 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: That is the point.... One has the approval and permission of state and or governmental authority to prescribe drugs the other does not. Not that's NOT the point. The point was that BOTH are pushing drugs on you and BOTH...for the most part...want to keep you as a life long customer. That's MY point. Drug dealers sell you highly addictive and or mind alter substance all the time....without regard to its effect on you are the condition of your health. The doctor rarely prescribe highly addictive mind altering substances....anything the doctor prescribe is always with regard to your health. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Most people go to doctors because of an illness they want to have treated or cured....Patients recieve care Most people go to the dope dealer to get high....Customers buy a good or service Thanks for the information. Again, MY POINT is that both are pushing drugs on you and BOTH for the most part want to keep you as a life long customer. Unless you have a mental illness or is somehow incapacitated....the doctor pushes nothing on you - he runs test and makes recommendations 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Children are all about the future... YOU are the future, when you live from one moment to the next. Some parents out live their children. Don't look to your children, look to yourself to change things...if you want them to change. True...we are the future cause we were once children 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: And I explain that already.....That most of the first freed black people started out in poverty. You didn't "explain" jack...lol. What you did was ATTEMPT to make excuses for those HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who came from solid wealthy and middle-class homes and ENDED UP in poverty because of substance abuse, criminal behavior, mental problems, and other dysfunctions. I make no excuse I told you the truth.....No enslaved person when freed were give middle class money. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes the legacy of Slavery had lasting effects on our community, but I'm not going to blame Slavery on ALL of it. Were the enslaved paid?? 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Show me chapter and verse.. 2 Timothy 4:1-22 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, Revelation 20:11-12 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. Good. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Today......More wealthy and economically Europeans Ok. So what GOOD is quoting or even adhering to African basic philosophy if the European philosophy leads to more wealth and prosperity? If we are to say African philosophy is better, we need EVIDENCE that it is. Where's the wealth? Where's the healing? Where's the prosperity? What EVIDENCE is there that so-called "African philosophy" is better than so-called "European philosophy"? The pain and suffering of majority so that a minority may have wealth and prosperity means it failed to achieved the goal of Civilization...achieving happiness for the majority. The greatest good to the greatest number. Africans are founders of Civilization...Europeans have yet to found a Civilization - hence African Philosophy is better 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The need help Maybe. But what we DO know is that people who are easily tricked and influenced into killing others are dangerous and need to be kept AWAY from the general population for the safety of society. We can get into "helping" them later after they are in a secure space. Most people can be tricked 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Oh yes they did it is called the "dumbing down" of society Some people were "dumbed down" through diet and the educational system; others were BORN dumb/stupid/low intelligence. Most were made dumb few were born so 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: No person who practice religion followers scripture That's simply not true. I say it is prove me wrong 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Not True they can't do what they want.. They can do more than what they're doing. Not the same as being able to do what they want 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It shows that they die in order to keep slavery and racism alive That too. Hence that means the privilege to them is worth it 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes....behavior prescribe by scriptures Some of it is just plain common sense. If you stop smoking, ofcourse you'll be healthier and have more money. If you stop using drugs, ofcourse your life will improve and you'll stop having run-ins with law enforcement. Millions of Japanese don't drink or use drugs and live healthy solid lives and don't need "scripture" to do so. They just naturally have sense enough to live a decent life and live in a society that encourages this. They have Scripture.... 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Ubuntu Ok, thank you. Ubuntu is prevasive throuthout Africa....West East and South and to a lesser extent North.
Pioneer1 Posted March 6 Author Report Posted March 6 frankster I consider drug dealers from depressed inner city slums under (economic) duress and are in entrapment Come on man, America ain't had actual "slums" in a long time. Since almost the 50s. Most drug dealers/pushers come from WORKING CLASS families and neighborhoods. Not poverty. And most of them CHOOSE that lifestyle, it wasn't out of necessity. I stand by my word... You can STAND BY a damn garbage can, that doesn't increase the value of it's content. Black individual who are previously incarcerated cannot find a job that pays a living wage ....most places in the USA I agree. That's one of the reasons the Nation of Islam teach Black men to DO FOR SELF and open up their own businesses. So that they can not only work for themselves but hire eachother when others won't. If that where true there would be no ghettos Most people in the ghetto aren't trying to literally "survive". They are trying to stay on top of the bills to keep themselves out of destitution. There's a difference. It's not a HUGE difference between poverty and destitution...but there IS a difference. Subsistence and Minimum wages does to pay enough for and individual much less a family to survive. Most individuals can SURVIVE off of minimum wage in most places in America, depending on their health and medical needs...if any. Again, we're talking about SURVIVAL; not necessarily living an ideal or even standard life, which certainly should be the goal. I don't blame the drug pusher/dealer for wanting a standard or even ideal life where the can enjoy comfort. I'm just making the point that...it's not about SURVIVAL. They COULD get a small time job and SURVIVE without pushing "junk" if they really wanted to. Street codes are informal no quality control standards or oversight no uniformity or regularity or independent testing and safeguards...in short no institutional structure But they're CODES....full stop. That's my point, and it has been made. Can we move on please? I make no excuse I told you the truth.....No enslaved person when freed were give middle class money. True. They weren't given shit, but an opportunity to get from under the White man's thumb and DO FOR SELF. And guess what? That was ENOUGH for them to buy land and build cities of prosperity and wealthy, the likes of which most AfroAmericans aren't even doing TODAY. Were the enslaved paid?? Ofcourse not. The pain and suffering of majority so that a minority may have wealth and prosperity means it failed to achieved the goal of Civilization...achieving happiness for the majority. And I guess a society where MOST people are poor and many if not most are suffering from poverty, war, and famine is better than that? You want to talk about a minority prospering at the expense of the majority???? Many African nations are DICTATORSHIPS where an EXTREME majority are poor and destitute and a TINY minority are living large and being armed and funded by the West to maintain tight control over their population. The greatest good to the greatest number. Africans are founders of Civilization While that is true. Pushing that truth is like a man pointing at a woman who is laying in the arms of another man and saying, "She was MY woman first! I was her FIRST LOVE!" Yeah, but who is she with NOW...at THIS moment???? Who has the most prosperous society and nations NOW, at THIS moment? Most people can be tricked While this is true, most people can't be tricked to the extent that they are willing to sell drugs and KILL other people. Only a few people out of a given population is THAT gullible AND psychopathic (lacking empathy or a moral compass) that they can be convinced to kill other people for ANY reason other than direct self defense. *unless they join the military. Most were made dumb few were born so Which percentage are which, I don't know. I do know that some are actually BORN though. I say it is prove me wrong That could be done, but it would be very complicated because I would have to: 1. Find someone who is actually religious. and 2. Find the ENTIRE context of whatever scripture their religion upholds and show how they adhere to it. Again, it can be done but to PROVE it....thus proving you wrong...would be too difficult to do in this setting. Not the same as being able to do what they want I agree. They have Scripture.... But do most of them follow it?
frankster Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster I consider drug dealers from depressed inner city slums under (economic) duress and are in entrapment Come on man, America ain't had actual "slums" in a long time. Since almost the 50s. Most drug dealers/pushers come from WORKING CLASS families and neighborhoods. Not poverty. And most of them CHOOSE that lifestyle, it wasn't out of necessity. PHILADELPHIA HAS THE MOST HORRIBLE LOOKING SLUMS IN THE UNITED STATES 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I stand by my word... You can STAND BY a damn garbage can, that doesn't increase the value of it's content. Nope..... they literally are trying to survive and not perish as many around them have 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Black individual who are previously incarcerated cannot find a job that pays a living wage ....most places in the USA I agree. That's one of the reasons the Nation of Islam teach Black men to DO FOR SELF and open up their own businesses. So that they can not only work for themselves but hire eachother when others won't. You need both Money and an Opportunity to make money. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If that where true there would be no ghettos Most people in the ghetto aren't trying to literally "survive". They are trying to stay on top of the bills to keep themselves out of destitution. There's a difference. It's not a HUGE difference between poverty and destitution...but there IS a difference. Thats trying to survive.....Destitution is perishing. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Subsistence and Minimum wages does to pay enough for and individual much less a family to survive. Most individuals can SURVIVE off of minimum wage in most places in America, depending on their health and medical needs...if any. Again, we're talking about SURVIVAL; not necessarily living an ideal or even standard life, which certainly should be the goal. Thats what I said they trying to survive....thanks for coming around to admitting the truth. No one wants to survive....we all want to live. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I don't blame the drug pusher/dealer for wanting a standard or even ideal life where the can enjoy comfort. I'm just making the point that...it's not about SURVIVAL. They COULD get a small time job and SURVIVE without pushing "junk" if they really wanted to. 1200$ a month is average minimum wage....a average one bedroom is 900 -1000 per month. They not surviving.....they are perishing slowly. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Street codes are informal no quality control standards or oversight no uniformity or regularity or independent testing and safeguards...in short no institutional structure But they're CODES....full stop. That's my point, and it has been made. Can we move on please? Yes they are Codes.....not Protocols 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I make no excuse I told you the truth.....No enslaved person when freed were give middle class money. True. They weren't given shit, but an opportunity to get from under the White man's thumb and DO FOR SELF. And guess what? That was ENOUGH for them to buy land and build cities of prosperity and wealthy, the likes of which most AfroAmericans aren't even doing TODAY. Thanks Every time we..... build plans are made on how to destroy what we build and blame us for our condition. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Were the enslaved paid?? Ofcourse not. They were penny less - destitute. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The pain and suffering of majority so that a minority may have wealth and prosperity means it failed to achieved the goal of Civilization...achieving happiness for the majority. And I guess a society where MOST people are poor and many if not most are suffering from poverty, war, and famine is better than that? You want to talk about a minority prospering at the expense of the majority???? Many African nations are DICTATORSHIPS where an EXTREME majority are poor and destitute and a TINY minority are living large and being armed and funded by the West to maintain tight control over their population. Your statement contains they answer.....the enslavers are not just oppressing blacks in the USA but any and every where blacks are found. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The greatest good to the greatest number. Africans are founders of Civilization While that is true. Pushing that truth is like a man pointing at a woman who is laying in the arms of another man and saying, "She was MY woman first! I was her FIRST LOVE!" Yeah, but who is she with NOW...at THIS moment???? Who has the most prosperous society and nations NOW, at THIS moment? Whites do not have a civilization....so the example is not appropriate. If she was once your woman...it should be known - she goes around 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Most people can be tricked While this is true, most people can't be tricked to the extent that they are willing to sell drugs and KILL other people. Only a few people out of a given population is THAT gullible AND psychopathic (lacking empathy or a moral compass) that they can be convinced to kill other people for ANY reason other than direct self defense. *unless they join the military. Scams are proof that most people of any age can be tricked 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Most were made dumb few were born so Which percentage are which, I don't know. I do know that some are actually BORN though. what i said is clear....most people are made dumb. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I say it is prove me wrong That could be done, but it would be very complicated because I would have to: 1. Find someone who is actually religious. and 2. Find the ENTIRE context of whatever scripture their religion upholds and show how they adhere to it. Again, it can be done but to PROVE it....thus proving you wrong...would be too difficult to do in this setting. Cool 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Not the same as being able to do what they want I agree. Thanks 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They have Scripture.... But do most of them follow it? No.... they mostly try to follow dogma
Pioneer1 Posted March 7 Author Report Posted March 7 frankster Well, you got me on that Philly video....lol. That's a sho'nuff slum. Nope..... they literally are trying to survive and not perish as many around them have Wait a minute? How is someone who engages in a lifestyle that will likely LEAD to their deaths (getting killed by a rival dealer or rival gang or during a robbery) is trying to "survive and not perish"??? No, they don't give a damn about living OR dying. Most just want to enjoy the fast life with the money, women, and quick riches until they meet their demise. You need both Money and an Opportunity to make money. Correct. I agree. Thats trying to survive.....Destitution is perishing. Destitution, in most cases...is trying to survive. Poverty isn't necessarily destitution though. Many people use those words interchangeably but they mean different things. Most people in poverty but who are NOT destitute have all of their basic necessities. They're struggling to maintain them...but they do have them. A person who is destitute DOES NOT have all of their basic necessities. They're lacking in one or multiple of them and in many cases do indeed stand on the verge of perishing. Thats what I said they trying to survive....thanks for coming around to admitting the truth. No, but they're not selling drugs TO survive. They're selling drugs to live a standard middle class life and in most cases live a LAVISH life. 1200$ a month is average minimum wage....a average one bedroom is 900 -1000 per month. They not surviving.....they are perishing slowly. 1. I said minimum wage in most places would atleast get you a ROOM to stay in, not necessarily an entire apartment. 2. Most people don't live alone but stay with family or sexual partners (wife/girlfriend/friend with benefits...lol). So it's not like they're footing the bills all by themselves. Most of the time every adult in the home is working or receiving some sort of income even if it's just Social Security. Yes they are Codes.....not Protocols Quote protocol pro·to·col ˈprō-tə-ˌkȯl -ˌkōl, : a code prescribing strict adherence to correct etiquette and precedence (as in diplomatic exchange and in the military services) a breach of protocol PROTOCOL Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster Every time we..... build plans are made on how to destroy what we build and blame us for our condition. Speaking of which..... When was the last time we BUILT??? We can't keep using them burning down Black Wall Street as an excuse NOT to build 100 more Black Wall Streets in defiance; especially today. You say "they" make plans to destroy progress? Ok, so why aren't "they" destroying the Nigerian, Chinese, Korean, Indian, and other non-White communities that have been set up around the nation? They were penny less - destitute. I'm not sure I'd put most Slaves in the "destitute" category. Kind of like prison inmates, they are being held beyond their will. Whites do not have a civilization....so the example is not appropriate. Caucasians ABSOLUTELY not only have A civilization but have MANY civilizations. The West is one civilization. The Slavic one led by Russia, is another. Scams are proof that most people of any age can be tricked Not to the extent that they would be willing to kill somebody or even sell poison in their community. Most people have a moral compass that wouldn't allow them to do that regardless of the degree of influence. what i said is clear....most people are made dumb. What you SAID is one thing. The TRUTH may be totally different. I said I'm not sure how many were BORN stupid vs how many were MADE stupid by their environment. You...despite not being a psychologist...seem to be sure that most stupid people were MADE that way. Not sure how you "know" this, but I won't argue the point. No.... they mostly try to follow dogma Whatever they're following, it seems to work for most of them as they tend to have a clean and peaceful society as compared to a lot of African societies which tend to be very religious but still chaotic.
frankster Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Well, you got me on that Philly video....lol. That's a sho'nuff slum. Glad to inform you 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Nope..... they literally are trying to survive and not perish as many around them have Wait a minute? How is someone who engages in a lifestyle that will likely LEAD to their deaths (getting killed by a rival dealer or rival gang or during a robbery) is trying to "survive and not perish"??? No, they don't give a damn about living OR dying. Most just want to enjoy the fast life with the money, women, and quick riches until they meet their demise. They reason is they only see that way out....so might as well die trying to get out - than just slowly waste away in suffering to death. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: You need both Money and an Opportunity to make money. Correct. I agree. Cool 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Thats trying to survive.....Destitution is perishing. Destitution, in most cases...is trying to survive. Poverty isn't necessarily destitution though. Many people use those words interchangeably but they mean different things. Yes they do mean different things. Anyone below working poor is destitute 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Most people in poverty but who are NOT destitute have all of their basic necessities. They're struggling to maintain them...but they do have them. Yes.....The working Poor 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: A person who is destitute DOES NOT have all of their basic necessities. They're lacking in one or multiple of them and in many cases do indeed stand on the verge of perishing. Yes 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Thats what I said they trying to survive....thanks for coming around to admitting the truth. No, but they're not selling drugs TO survive. They're selling drugs to live a standard middle class life and in most cases live a LAVISH life. Thats what you think you seeing.... They all dream of the lavish lifestyle....but right now they poor and that is where they are - the goal is the American Dream - Tony Montana style 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: 1200$ a month is average minimum wage....a average one bedroom is 900 -1000 per month. They not surviving.....they are perishing slowly. 1. I said minimum wage in most places would atleast get you a ROOM to stay in, not necessarily an entire apartment. Surprising the average room cost more than the average apartment 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: 2. Most people don't live alone but stay with family or sexual partners (wife/girlfriend/friend with benefits...lol). So it's not like they're footing the bills all by themselves. In that case it will soon be three four or five....none of whom are working. sitting on the government cheddar ....somebody gots to go soon 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Most of the time every adult in the home is working or receiving some sort of income even if it's just Social Security. In reality usually only one person is working....usually not earning minimum wage. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes they are Codes.....not Protocols : a code prescribing strict adherence to correct etiquette and precedence (as in diplomatic exchange and in the military services) a breach of protocol PROTOCOL Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster A protocol is a CODE PRESCRIBING STRICT ADHERENCE.... Plus here is the rest of the meaning 3 a : a code prescribing strict adherence to correct etiquette and precedence (as in diplomatic exchange and in the military services) a breach of protocol b : a set of conventions governing the treatment and especially the formatting of data in an electronic communications system network protocols c : convention sense 3a,b 4 : a detailed plan of a scientific or medical experiment, treatment, or procedure https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/protocol Which street crew or organization fellows the above..... every Doctors has to to maintain their license to practice. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Every time we..... build plans are made on how to destroy what we build and blame us for our condition. Speaking of which..... When was the last time we BUILT??? We can't keep using them burning down Black Wall Street as an excuse NOT to build 100 more Black Wall Streets in defiance; especially today. Before I answer that.... Black wall st you know was just a extremely successful black town? How many black towns you think they burnt down? 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: You say "they" make plans to destroy progress? Ok, so why aren't "they" destroying the Nigerian, Chinese, Korean, Indian, and other non-White communities that have been set up around the nation? Excluding Nigerian.....They all have a easier access to capital and are encourage to set up business in black communities 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: They were penny less - destitute. I'm not sure I'd put most Slaves in the "destitute" category. Kind of like prison inmates, they are being held beyond their will. Same difference....They own nothing and have no money - not even their own bodies 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Whites do not have a civilization....so the example is not appropriate. Caucasians ABSOLUTELY not only have A civilization but have MANY civilizations. The West is one civilization. The Slavic one led by Russia, is another. That is the trick they play..... A Culture based and founded on Violence Barbarity and Inhumanity is not a Civilization 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Scams are proof that most people of any age can be tricked Not to the extent that they would be willing to kill somebody or even sell poison in their community. Most people have a moral compass that wouldn't allow them to do that regardless of the degree of influence. Thats what the Nazi's did they got ordinary people to kill people 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: what i said is clear....most people are made dumb. What you SAID is one thing. The TRUTH may be totally different. What I said is the truth I said I'm not sure how many were BORN stupid vs how many were MADE stupid by their environment. You...despite not being a psychologist...seem to be sure that most stupid people were MADE that way. Not sure how you "know" this, but I won't argue the point. My computer is acting up and do not have the time to fix it So we agree No.... they mostly try to follow dogma Whatever they're following, it seems to work for most of them as they tend to have a clean and peaceful society as compared to a lot of African societies which tend to be very religious but still chaotic. Cool but I do not agree with most African Communities being Chaotic
ProfD Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 On 3/5/2025 at 8:16 PM, Pioneer1 said: It's helpful to know 1) how Black folks got the money and resources to build and 2) why white folks were so easily able to destroy it. I agree, it IS helpful. Especially if we plan on trying to improve on what our Ancestors started by rebuilding those cities and more and becoming an independent people again. Otherwise, it makes for a good read for a Black History buff...lol. The reason I mention it's helpful to know (history) how Black folks were able to build a Black Wall Street is important. The oil boom brought a ton of money to Oklahoma. The Black folks living in Tulsa benefitted from it too. Black folks used that oil wealth to build their own town. The white folks could not stand to see Black folks living so well. They destroyed the town. Up to present, no matter how much wealth Black folks accumulate, most are not prepared to defend themselves in protecting it.
Troy Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 7 hours ago, ProfD said: Black folks used that oil wealth to build their own town. The white folks could not stand to see Black folks living so well. They destroyed the town. Up to present, no matter how much wealth Black folks accumulate, most are not prepared to defend themselves in protecting it. Actually the Black folks did defend themselves. Even going to the courthouse to ensure the Brother accused of accosting a white woman (the event that set the race massacre off) was not lynched (and he wasin't). They were just out manned and out gunned. Despite that they rebuilt Black Wall Street.
ProfD Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 8 minutes ago, Troy said: Actually the Black folks did defend themselves. Even going to the courthouse to ensure the Brother accused of accosting a white woman (the event that set the race massacre off) was not lynched (and he wasin't). They were just out manned and out gunned. Right. My idea of being prepared to defend oneself means having more than enough weapons and a high proficiency in using them and/or a small militia for protection. The Nation of Islam has the FOI (Fruit of Islam) for similar reason. Those brothas are highly trained to get active should the need arise. 1
Pioneer1 Posted March 8 Author Report Posted March 8 frankster They reason is they only see that way out....so might as well die trying to get out - than just slowly waste away in suffering to death. When many of them say that, they're LYING and they KNOW they're lying. What they REALLY mean is, selling dope is the EASIEST "way out". They know that if they worked hard enough and saved their money and stayed out of trouble then it's POSSIBLE to get out of the ghetto. They also have heard that through sports or a good education they can get out of poverty. Most of those who come from poverty and sell dope have heard this countless times. But most of them aren't willing to put in the work or stay out of trouble or stay away from the lifestyle that selling dope often offers them. The work is too hard and the money doesn't come fast enough. Anyone below working poor is destitute That's not true. There are many people who live in poverty and don't work but are on welfare or social security....but they aren't destitute. Some may be close to it. But you're destitute when you...for financial reasons...lack the basic necessities of life. HOMELESS people are destitute. FAMISHED people are destitute. Surprising the average room cost more than the average apartment I'm not talking about a motel/hotel room. I'm talking about a room in somebody's house or apartment. Being a border. In that case it will soon be three four or five....none of whom are working. sitting on the government cheddar . Or "pimping" off of those who ARE working. Or engaging in illegal industries for income. A protocol is a CODE PRESCRIBING STRICT ADHERENCE.... Plus here is the rest of the meaning We don't need the rest. What I provided was sufficient to prove you wrong, lol. You said that protocols are not codes, I just showed you that they WERE, even if they must qualify first. Before I answer that.... Black wall st you know was just a extremely successful black town? How many black towns you think they burnt down? I'm not sure. But too many. Excluding Nigerian.....They all have a easier access to capital and are encourage to set up business in black communities I don't disagree. But again, you said that "they" make plans to destroy what our people build. I'm questioning why "they" don't destroy other communities of color...many of whom are Black too, like the Nigerian, Haitian, Jamaican, Somali, Ethiopian communities? Why do you think they "allow" those communities to exist around the United States but want to target the FBA AfroAmerican communities? Same difference....They own nothing and have no money - not even their own bodies It's not the same. It's like asking calling prison inmates "poor" because they live in small often shared living spaces, eat bad food, and live in otherwise poor conditions. Many of them are actually wealthy but were sentenced and have to live in those conditions despite their financial status. Being institutionalize takes you "out" of the economic status hierarchy so to speak. That is the trick they play..... A Culture based and founded on Violence Barbarity and Inhumanity is not a Civilization 1. Violence is a necessary part OF civilization. 2. To be truthful, White civilization is more than JUST violence but also literature, food, clothing, building structure, government codes, laws, ect... To say that this isn't or that Whites have no civilization is a bit juvenile...lol. Thats what the Nazi's did they got ordinary people to kill people Remember, I made an exception for the military and put a little asterisk next to it...lol. What I said is the truth And how do you KNOW it's true? but I do not agree with most African Communities being Chaotic Maybe because your computer is "acting up" you may have read what I said wrong. I didn't say that most African communities were chaotic. ProfD no matter how much wealth Black folks accumulate, most are not prepared to defend themselves in protecting it. While that is true, that still shouldn't stop us from accumulating it anyway and hope for the best. Even down to an individual level. Even if SOME or even MOST wealthy Black folks are targeted, if just a FEW can squeeze through the cracks and get away without being noticed....thank goodness for THOSE few. They went after Cosby. They went after Puffy. But they didn't go after Oprah or Magic Johnson. Find out what they're doing to keep the wolves of their backs But as far as Black Wallstreets... A lot of our people love to make excuses for being lazy. They'll say they don't want to open up a restaurant or grocery store because White folks will get jealous and close it down. But they'll go to WORK around jealous and angry White folks all day and put up with THAT madness. It's not racism stopping them, it's their own laziness and lack of ambition because they're comfortable where they are. And that fake ass weed so many young people of all races are smoking is making the problem 10 times worse!
Troy Posted March 8 Report Posted March 8 1 hour ago, ProfD said: The Nation of Islam has the FOI (Fruit of Islam) for similar reason. Those brothas are highly trained to get active should the need arise. How many people make up the FOI? Would the be able to fed off a local police department let alone the Feds? Dude if the government thought the Nation of Islam were a threat, there would be little the FOI could do to defend themselves. We already saw how easily they were infiltrated by the feds... again they simply don't have the manpower. Where are they buying their guns and ammunition? Who are the dependent upon? Will those supply lines continue if they are battling the government?
Pioneer1 Posted March 8 Author Report Posted March 8 43 minutes ago, Troy said: How many people make up the FOI? Would the be able to fed off a local police department let alone the Feds? Dude if the government thought the Nation of Islam were a threat, there would be little the FOI could do to defend themselves. Perhaps the Feds or even the local police aren't the BIGGEST threats to worry about in most Black communities. If we examine what and who the BIGGEST threats usually are in the 'hood, perhaps the FOI is all that is needed to deal with them.
Troy Posted March 8 Report Posted March 8 33 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: If we examine what and who the BIGGEST threats usually are in the 'hood, perhaps the FOI is all that is needed to deal with them. OK, I'll give you that. Any Black man, criminally minded or otherwise has to respect the FOI. 1
ProfD Posted March 8 Report Posted March 8 11 hours ago, Troy said: How many people make up the FOI? Merely having a solid defense is a deterrent. The FOI has provided security for others. 11 hours ago, Troy said: Would the be able to fed off a local police department let alone the Feds? Let's hope we never have to find out. 11 hours ago, Troy said: Dude if the government thought the Nation of Islam were a threat, there would be little the FOI could do to defend themselves. Not sure of where this is coming from but of all the fiery things Minister Louis Farrakhan has said over several decades the NOI has never been attacked. 1
Troy Posted March 8 Report Posted March 8 11 minutes ago, ProfD said: all the fiery things Minister Louis Farrakhan Just words. Not a threat. Omar Johnson say’s fiery things too, and is no more threatening.
ProfD Posted March 8 Report Posted March 8 1 minute ago, Troy said: Just words. Not a threat. Omar Johnson say’s fiery things too, and is no more threatening. Fred Hampton said far less than Minister Louis Farrakhan and he was murdered by the gov't. He didn't have security.
Troy Posted March 8 Report Posted March 8 The leadership of the Black Panther party had security.Hampton was just a kid in a young organization, despite that the Black Panther party was perceived as a threat. The BBP was well known for their security measures armed, patrols, defense training, etc. As you know, the BBP were also infiltrated by the feds. again, none of the security measures taken by smaller organizations can’t do much against the United States government
frankster Posted March 8 Report Posted March 8 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster They reason is they only see that way out....so might as well die trying to get out - than just slowly waste away in suffering to death. When many of them say that, they're LYING and they KNOW they're lying. What they REALLY mean is, selling dope is the EASIEST "way out". They know that if they worked hard enough and saved their money and stayed out of trouble then it's POSSIBLE to get out of the ghetto. Slinging rocks is not easy...it is froth with worries and danger. Yes it is the only way they see out...with the limited coping skills they possess. 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They also have heard that through sports or a good education they can get out of poverty. Sports and rapping is the other way they see.... Education is seen by few as a way out - plus education cost money that they do not have 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Most of those who come from poverty and sell dope have heard this countless times. But most of them aren't willing to put in the work or stay out of trouble or stay away from the lifestyle that selling dope often offers them. The work is too hard and the money doesn't come fast enough. You missing the point where trouble seeks them out in the form of structural racism. 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Anyone below working poor is destitute That's not true. There are many people who live in poverty and don't work but are on welfare or social security....but they aren't destitute. Some may be close to it. But you're destitute when you...for financial reasons...lack the basic necessities of life. Most are destitute... 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: HOMELESS people are destitute. FAMISHED people are destitute. The first sign of destitution is malnutrition. In the ghetto all those obese people you are malnourished 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Surprising the average room cost more than the average apartment I'm not talking about a motel/hotel room. I'm talking about a room in somebody's house or apartment. Being a border. Yep those are including in my estimation....if you know different let me know by presenting some facts or links. 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: In that case it will soon be three four or five....none of whom are working. sitting on the government cheddar . Or "pimping" off of those who ARE working. Or engaging in illegal industries for income. yeah 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: A protocol is a CODE PRESCRIBING STRICT ADHERENCE.... Plus here is the rest of the meaning We don't need the rest. What I provided was sufficient to prove you wrong, lol. You said that protocols are not codes, I just showed you that they WERE, even if they must qualify first. I think i said protocols are not "street codes". 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Before I answer that.... Black wall st you know was just a extremely successful black town? How many black towns you think they burnt down? I'm not sure. But too many. cool. So if everytime you make something the powers that be destroyed....how you going gain from it or have something to show. You are being taught it is no use trying......Learned Helplessness 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Excluding Nigerian.....They all have a easier access to capital and are encourage to set up business in black communities I don't disagree. But again, you said that "they" make plans to destroy what our people build. I'm questioning why "they" don't destroy other communities of color...many of whom are Black too, like the Nigerian, Haitian, Jamaican, Somali, Ethiopian communities? Why do you think they "allow" those communities to exist around the United States but want to target the FBA AfroAmerican communities? Black Americans are the real threat. The success achieved by Black Immigrant Communities is on the Backs of the accomplishment laid by Black Americans 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Same difference....They own nothing and have no money - not even their own bodies It's not the same. It's like asking calling prison inmates "poor" because they live in small often shared living spaces, eat bad food, and live in otherwise poor conditions. Many of them are actually wealthy but were sentenced and have to live in those conditions despite their financial status. Being institutionalize takes you "out" of the economic status hierarchy so to speak. Most prisoners are in a temporary condition.... While in prison access to their wealth is curtailed as a result for that time they do not own themselves or have their money. That is what I am referencing. 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: That is the trick they play..... A Culture based and founded on Violence Barbarity and Inhumanity is not a Civilization 1. Violence is a necessary part OF civilization. 2. To be truthful, White civilization is more than JUST violence but also literature, food, clothing, building structure, government codes, laws, ect... To say that this isn't or that Whites have no civilization is a bit juvenile...lol. European Culture is certered around warfare..... African and most Asian Civilization is or was centered around trade. 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Thats what the Nazi's did they got ordinary people to kill people Remember, I made an exception for the military and put a little asterisk next to it...lol. Yes....but that how it works A false scenarion is created and foisted upon you. 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: What I said is the truth And how do you KNOW it's true? CNN: 'Dumbing down' education 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: but I do not agree with most African Communities being Chaotic Maybe because your computer is "acting up" you may have read what I said wrong. I didn't say that most African communities were chaotic. Sorry 16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
Pioneer1 Posted March 8 Author Report Posted March 8 Troy Any Black man, criminally minded or otherwise has to respect the FOI. They had a MUCH larger presence in Detroit back in the 80s and 90s than they do today. When they marched down the street, people...especially men...used to put away the liquor bottles, joints, and crack pipes and stand up straight and greet the bruthaz or just stare at them when they passed by. I remember they used to go straight up into the projects and some of the young teenagers who weren't quite sure who they were would TRY to clown on them, but by the time they left...they were asking where they could join up, lol. frankster Slinging rocks is not easy...it is froth with worries and danger. It's not EXTREMELY easy, but it's much easier than working most 9-5 jobs, and with far less discipline. Which is what a lot of young men are looking for. A quick way to make money that doesn't demand discipline or accountability from them. You missing the point where trouble seeks them out in the form of structural racism. And YOU'RE missing the point that they actually WELCOME trouble when trouble seeks them, finds them, and comes for them. They aren't trying to AVOID the trouble produced by structural racism; they're actually AGREEING to it by choosing to engage in the trap set by their racist enemy. Look at how so many of them even call it the: TRAP HOUSE. They know dope was put out to trap them and their people and STILL choose to sell it! Most are destitute.. First you say "anyone" below working poor. Now you change it to "most" of them. I'm still not sure if I agree, but you're coming around...lol. In the ghetto all those obese people you are malnourished You know what.... I'm going to go a little out on this one and say that most ADULTS in the ghetto who are malnourished are that way because they CHOOSE to be. I know that the ghetto is full of fast food joints and the grocery stores often have expired and poor quality foods. I also know that most people in the ghetto didn't receive the best education, including nutritional education. However most adults in the hood can read and have grown up hearing that too much fast food, fried foods, starchy foods, processed food, and junk food in general is bad for you and is not nutritious. They consume it anyway with a smile on their faces. I've seen so many grown as men in their 60s and 70s walking around with backs of Doritos and Hot Funyuns, eating like their 12 years old. Many of them don't care. Many aren't TRYING to eat a healthy balanced diet and the reasons are numerous. Yep those are including in my estimation....if you know different let me know by presenting some facts or links. You don't need ME to present them to you. Just browse through any typical Craig's List city by city where both rooms and apartments are usually advertised for rent. Check out the prices. I think i said protocols are not "street codes". Yes you said that. You also said: "Yes they are Codes.....not Protocols" You made it clear that you saw codes as different than protocols. So if everytime you make something the powers that be destroyed....how you going gain from it or have something to show. You are being taught it is no use trying......Learned Helplessness So are you saying it's ok for Black folks to just "give up" trying to do anything or have anything because so many are afraid and have "learned helplessness"??? I'm trying to understand where you're coming from on this. I understand the point you're making, however how long do you think this "learned helplessness" can be used as an excuse not to build anything? Black Americans are the real threat. The success achieved by Black Immigrant Communities is on the Backs of the accomplishment laid by Black Americans While I don't disagree with what you're saying, this is only PART of the story. At the risk of dragging brother ProfD into the discussion knowing how he likes to ride for the FBA...lol...I dare say that one of the reasons Black immigrants accomplish so much isn't JUST because of the foundations that we laid for them. That's a huge factor....but...the fact is as a group Black immigrants tend to have a much better work ethic than AfroAmericans currently as a group. You don't see them being routinely late for jobs, calling in constantly, coming in smelling like dank weed, and getting an attitude when you ask them to do something like so many of our people today. Like Senior Love Daddy from Do The Right Thing used to say: "And that's the TRUTH...RUTH" European Culture is certered around warfare..... African and most Asian Civilization is or was centered around trade. African and Asian empires were built and maintained through fighting, killing, and warfare as well. The Sun Tsu the author of The Art Of War was an Asian military general. They have entire arts and rituals designed around fighting and warfare. Africans have a history of fighting eachother and are STILL fighting and killing eachother over this or that. Just because White folks have ADVANCED the art of killing and warfare with their sophisticated weaponry...doesn't mean they have a monopoly on it.
ProfD Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: At the risk of dragging brother ProfD into the discussion knowing how he likes to ride for the FBA...lol... You rang. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: ...the fact is as a group Black immigrants tend to have a much better work ethic than AfroAmericans currently as a group. Black and Brown immigrants are willing to do the jobs and work for wages many AfroAmericans aren't willing to do. I'm not surprised that a majority of AfroAmericans aren't aspiring to those *Black* jobs POTUS OJ mentioned.
frankster Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Slinging rocks is not easy...it is froth with worries and danger. It's not EXTREMELY easy, but it's much easier than working most 9-5 jobs, and with far less discipline. Which is what a lot of young men are looking for. A quick way to make money that doesn't demand discipline or accountability from them. To me it is harder having tried them both...thats my personal opinion. first of all you always working....living looking over your shoulder - sure aint easy When you on point....your life and freedom hangs in the balance - from cops friends customers robbers and enemies 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You missing the point where trouble seeks them out in the form of structural racism. And YOU'RE missing the point that they actually WELCOME trouble when trouble seeks them, finds them, and comes for them. They aren't trying to AVOID the trouble produced by structural racism; they're actually AGREEING to it by choosing to engage in the trap set by their racist enemy. Look at how so many of them even call it the: TRAP HOUSE. They know dope was put out to trap them and their people and STILL choose to sell it! Knowing is only half.....you still got to eat Thats all you see know and is now readily available and accessible for you to do. 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Most are destitute.. First you say "anyone" below working poor. Now you change it to "most" of them. I'm still not sure if I agree, but you're coming around...lol. Anyone below working poor is destitue....if you on welfare - then you IS working poor. Welfare is now your work and even then most of them is destitute... I knew a girl on welfare and she got a letter from welfare that told her to keep her checks coming she had to do a certain amount of hours of work every week.. 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: In the ghetto all those obese people you are malnourished You know what.... I'm going to go a little out on this one and say that most ADULTS in the ghetto who are malnourished are that way because they CHOOSE to be. I know that the ghetto is full of fast food joints and the grocery stores often have expired and poor quality foods. I also know that most people in the ghetto didn't receive the best education, including nutritional education. However most adults in the hood can read and have grown up hearing that too much fast food, fried foods, starchy foods, processed food, and junk food in general is bad for you and is not nutritious. They consume it anyway with a smile on their faces. Thats what available and accessible plus sometimes the government check tells you what you can buy with it. Surprise suprise most of them do not believe all that good nutrition shyte....they believe the FDA stamp of approval 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I've seen so many grown as men in their 60s and 70s walking around with backs of Doritos and Hot Funyuns, eating like their 12 years old. Many of them don't care. Many aren't TRYING to eat a healthy balanced diet and the reasons are numerous. I was talkingto a friend of mine dying of cancer about healthy foods.....he went to his doctior with it who told him its all hogwash and expensive piss 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yep those are including in my estimation....if you know different let me know by presenting some facts or links. You don't need ME to present them to you. Just browse through any typical Craig's List city by city where both rooms and apartments are usually advertised for rent. Check out the prices. I did....they all came it as I stated around $900 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I think i said protocols are not "street codes". Yes you said that. You also said: "Yes they are Codes.....not Protocols" You made it clear that you saw codes as different than protocols. I initially said street codes are what drug dealers have and that's what I meant and you know that so stop trying to be pedantic I went further and said they were informal. "Drugs dealers have no protocol.....they have street codes" I made that clear if not I am doing so now 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So if everytime you make something the powers that be destroyed....how you going gain from it or have something to show. You are being taught it is no use trying......Learned Helplessness So are you saying it's ok for Black folks to just "give up" trying to do anything or have anything because so many are afraid and have "learned helplessness"??? I'm trying to understand where you're coming from on this. I understand the point you're making, however how long do you think this "learned helplessness" can be used as an excuse not to build anything? Who said with not building or not trying...our efforts are being erased suppressed stolen and hidden 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Black Americans are the real threat. The success achieved by Black Immigrant Communities is on the Backs of the accomplishment laid by Black Americans While I don't disagree with what you're saying, this is only PART of the story. At the risk of dragging brother ProfD into the discussion knowing how he likes to ride for the FBA...lol...I dare say that one of the reasons Black immigrants accomplish so much isn't JUST because of the foundations that we laid for them. That's a huge factor....but...the fact is as a group Black immigrants tend to have a much better work ethic than AfroAmericans currently as a group. True....because they are not confronted with the same type of Pyschological Baggage that Black Americans are forced to carry. 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You don't see them being routinely late for jobs, calling in constantly, coming in smelling like dank weed, and getting an attitude when you ask them to do something like so many of our people today. Like Senior Love Daddy from Do The Right Thing used to say: "And that's the TRUTH...RUTH" When a individual leaves his home scales all kinds of obstacles and comes to foreign country to start a life......that individual is Ambitious and Driven. Go to that immigrants homeland and you will see "them being routinely late for jobs, calling in constantly, coming in smelling like dank weed, and getting an attitude when you ask them to do something like so many of our people today." 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: European Culture is certered around warfare..... African and most Asian Civilization is or was centered around trade. African and Asian empires were built and maintained through fighting, killing, and warfare as well. The Sun Tsu the author of The Art Of War was an Asian military general. They have entire arts and rituals designed around fighting and warfare. Africans have a history of fighting eachother and are STILL fighting and killing eachother over this or that. Just because White folks have ADVANCED the art of killing and warfare with their sophisticated weaponry...doesn't mean they have a monopoly on it Check which nations have the biggest military budgets....
Pioneer1 Posted March 9 Author Report Posted March 9 ProfD Black and Brown immigrants are willing to do the jobs and work for wages many AfroAmericans aren't willing to do. True. But even on the SAME jobs at the SAME wage, a lot of these niggas don't want to show up on time or come to work. Can't stay off the cell phone or sneaking off somewhere to smoke that fake ass weed...lol. frankster To me it is harder having tried them both...thats my personal opinion. first of all you always working....living looking over your shoulder - sure aint easy When you on point....your life and freedom hangs in the balance - from cops friends customers robbers and enemies One option that I do respect that so many people I know have done is take that dope money and flip it into doing something positive and legal like building your own business. Knowing is only half.....you still got to eat Thats all you see know and is now readily available and accessible for you to do. You can EAT off of a typical 9-5. And like I said, even afford a room (or stay with a friend and help pay), clothes, and maybe even a car. And if you're living in a place like New York or Frisco where the cost of living is so high that you can't....pack up and move. Anyone below working poor is destitue....if you on welfare - then you IS working poor. Welfare is now your work and even then most of them is destitute... Medicaid and Section-8 are considered Welfare. Many people getting help from these programs are not working. Also, you can be working AND destitute. I knew a lot of people who were homeless but still had jobs. Thats what available and accessible plus sometimes the government check tells you what you can buy with it. Most ghettoes have stores where you can get SOME fruits, vegetables, packaged meat, can goods. Maybe not the freshest....but much healthier than KFC, McDonalds, and hot chili cheese fries all damn day. Back to PERSONAL DECISIONS. The Nation of Islam teaches our people to eat healthier and avoid certain foods and most of them PRACTICE this and are generally healthier. Personal decisions. I did....they all came it as I stated around $900 So you're saying ROOMS and APARTMENTS both generally are going for the same rate in most regions? I'm not sure where you're looking but when I look at Craig's List for the Minneapolis area The apartments average about $1,500 a month: https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/search/apa#search=2~gallery~0 While the rooms average about $ 600 a month: https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/search/roo#search=2~gallery~0 Come on man...... They aren't the same. Like I said, most 9-5 jobs will afford you atleast a ROOM somewhere where you can live independent. I initially said street codes are what drug dealers have and that's what I meant and you know that Yes, and I agree with THAT particular statement. The disagreement came in when you proceeded to argue that they didn't have PROTOCOLS while doctors did. I told you that codes ARE a form of protocol and you insisted that they weren't. so stop trying to be pedantic It may seem "pedantic" to you, because you probably don't value precision and accuracy as much as I do. Who said with not building or not trying...our efforts are being erased suppressed stolen and hidden So are the Latino, Asian, and African immigrants efforts to work, build businesses, and accumulate wealth in the United States - being erased, suppressed, stolen, and hidden???? Why are so many of them doing so well or being ALLOWED to do so well? True....because they are not confronted with the same type of Pyschological Baggage that Black Americans are forced to carry Perhaps. Keep in mind that many of them come from formerly colonized war-torn countries where they have personally witnessed entire families killed in front of them. Talk about psychological baggage. When a individual leaves his home scales all kinds of obstacles and comes to foreign country to start a life......that individual is Ambitious and Driven. Go to that immigrants homeland and you will see "them being routinely late for jobs, calling in constantly, coming in smelling like dank weed, and getting an attitude when you ask them to do something like so many of our people today." With all of that said, are you REALLY telling me that the MIND SET between the immigrants and AfroAmericans explains the REAL difference between our Success and theirs? I mean....you said: 1. Many immigrants don't have the psychological baggage that our people have 2. They had to overcome a lot of obstacles to start a new life so they are ambitious and driven. No mentions of racism, although we both know and agree that it is a factor. But you're said that their success is largely due to not having a lot of psychological baggage and being ambitious and driven! And I agree. These are PERSONAL DECISIONS. At the end of the day, it boils down to PERSONAL DECISIONS and eventually GROUP DECISIONS. Decisions about where and how we'll work. Decisions about what to do with our money when we get it. Decisions about what we will and will not tolerate in our community Decisions about what we'll teach our children and the values we want to instill in them. Decisions - Decisions
ProfD Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 50 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: But even on the SAME jobs at the SAME wage, a lot of these niggas don't want to show up on time or come to work. Can't stay off the cell phone or sneaking off somewhere to smoke that fake ass weed...lol. Don't worry. The company will get around to firing those employees. They will be replaced with non-AfroAmericans.
frankster Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster To me it is harder having tried them both...thats my personal opinion. first of all you always working....living looking over your shoulder - sure aint easy When you on point....your life and freedom hangs in the balance - from cops friends customers robbers and enemies One option that I do respect that so many people I know have done is take that dope money and flip it into doing something positive and legal like building your own business True 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Knowing is only half.....you still got to eat Thats all you see know and is now readily available and accessible for you to do. You can EAT off of a typical 9-5. And like I said, even afford a room (or stay with a friend and help pay), clothes, and maybe even a car. And if you're living in a place like New York or Frisco where the cost of living is so high that you can't....pack up and move. What you said above is true....but each has it own challenges... Typical 9-5...Can't get it have no skill or discipline or worst they pay minimum wage etc Rooms are expensive...living with a friend is a whole situation in itself..I have issues living with my woman muchless another dude Worst I do noty think it is a good idea leaving some dude in my apartment with my woman while I am at work....sounds like the making of a jerry springer show on whose the daddy. If my friend is a woman 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Anyone below working poor is destitue....if you on welfare - then you IS working poor. Welfare is now your work and even then most of them is destitute... Medicaid and Section-8 are considered Welfare. Many people getting help from these programs are not working. They working with and or for medicaid welfare or section 8....that is their job to maintain their qualified status. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Also, you can be working AND destitute. I knew a lot of people who were homeless but still had jobs. True usually due to either they are not being paid enough or have a mental issue....addictions are mental issues 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Thats what available and accessible plus sometimes the government check tells you what you can buy with it. Most ghettoes have stores where you can get SOME fruits, vegetables, packaged meat, can goods. Maybe not the freshest....but much healthier than KFC, McDonalds, and hot chili cheese fries all damn day. Yeah....but do they have a marketing budgetlike and advertise like KFC etc? 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Back to PERSONAL DECISIONS. The Nation of Islam teaches our people to eat healthier and avoid certain foods and most of them PRACTICE this and are generally healthier. Personal decisions. True... That is good 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: I did....they all came it as I stated around $900 So you're saying ROOMS and APARTMENTS both generally are going for the same rate in most regions? I'm not sure where you're looking but when I look at Craig's List for the Minneapolis area The apartments average about $1,500 a month: https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/search/apa#search=2~gallery~0 While the rooms average about $ 600 a month: https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/search/roo#search=2~gallery~0 Come on man...... They aren't the same. Like I said, most 9-5 jobs will afford you atleast a ROOM somewhere where you can live independent. Lets do the maths....i will be very liberal. Okay i will accept your figures....so lets go to the national minimum wage $7.50 x 35 hr week (lunch hr not paid) equals around 263 per week muliply by 4 weeks in a month equals $1052 gross...can we agree that most people are taxed at least 10% which equals $100 So now you net earnings is $952 - $600 for rent leaves you with a net net of $352 at most $500 for food and other bills for the month.. Do I need to list the other bills????? let me list just three Monthly Grocery bill is for one person $230 transportation...........................$100 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: I initially said street codes are what drug dealers have and that's what I meant and you know that Yes, and I agree with THAT particular statement. The disagreement came in when you proceeded to argue that they didn't have PROTOCOLS while doctors did. I told you that codes ARE a form of protocol and you insisted that they weren't. In short you are saying formal and informal are all types of formality.....to me informality means the absence of formality 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: so stop trying to be pedantic It may seem "pedantic" to you, because you probably don't value precision and accuracy as much as I do. cool 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Who said with not building or not trying...our efforts are being erased suppressed stolen and hidden So are the Latino, Asian, and African immigrants efforts to work, build businesses, and accumulate wealth in the United States - being erased, suppressed, stolen, and hidden???? Why are so many of them doing so well or being ALLOWED to do so well? Not at the level that it is happening to Black Africans Americans....nor historically 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: True....because they are not confronted with the same type of Pyschological Baggage that Black Americans are forced to carry Perhaps. Keep in mind that many of them come from formerly colonized war-torn countries where they have personally witnessed entire families killed in front of them. Talk about psychological baggage. For Many Black Americans we are in a war right here right now.....thats part of their baggage. those who came recently just arrived are thinking they in peace time not knowing it is a war torn city they living in....slums and ghettos. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: When a individual leaves his home scales all kinds of obstacles and comes to foreign country to start a life......that individual is Ambitious and Driven. Go to that immigrants homeland and you will see "them being routinely late for jobs, calling in constantly, coming in smelling like dank weed, and getting an attitude when you ask them to do something like so many of our people today." With all of that said, are you REALLY telling me that the MIND SET between the immigrants and AfroAmericans explains the REAL difference between our Success and theirs? It plays a significant part. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: I mean....you said: 1. Many immigrants don't have the psychological baggage that our people have 2. They had to overcome a lot of obstacles to start a new life so they are ambitious and driven. No mentions of racism, although we both know and agree that it is a factor. But you're said that their success is largely due to not having a lot of psychological baggage and being ambitious and driven! And I agree. Being driven and ambitious one can overcome many things even things thought impossible. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: These are PERSONAL DECISIONS. Yes 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: At the end of the day, it boils down to PERSONAL DECISIONS and eventually GROUP DECISIONS. Decisions about where and how we'll work. Decisions about what to do with our money when we get it. Decisions about what we will and will not tolerate in our community Decisions about what we'll teach our children and the values we want to instill in them. Decisions - Decisions True...but do not conflate personal decision with group decisions even though they overlap
Pioneer1 Posted March 9 Author Report Posted March 9 ProfD Don't worry. The company will get around to firing those employees. They will be replaced with non-AfroAmericans. Oh, it's happening all ready. The vast majority of the Black folks working at my company from the warehouses to the offices are NON-FBA Black folks from Africa and the Carribean. frankster What you said above is true....but each has it own challenges... Typical 9-5...Can't get it have no skill or discipline or worst they pay minimum wage etc Well if they were born and raised in the United States and have no mental or physical disabilities, what do you mean they "can't get it" or don't have the discipline??? Nigga just don't wanna work or have anybody tell him what to do, that's all. And that's going to be a problem if you try to sell dope TOO, because your supplier or anybody else over you WILL tell you what to do and when to do it and will ENFORCE what they say. Which is why so many of these young dudes come up dead. They working with and or for medicaid welfare or section 8....that is their job to maintain their qualified status. As stated, many people on medicaid and section 8 are NOT working. So they are receiving welfare but aren't working. True usually due to either they are not being paid enough or have a mental issue....addictions are mental issues Facts. Yeah....but do they have a marketing budgetlike and advertise like KFC etc? I'm not sure, but the generally sell what people want. Grape bubble gum, cigars for making blunts, weed paper, liquor, and a lot of candy and junk food. That's what most people want. Full grown adults, but juvenile in their thinking so they eat like 11 year old kids. Lets do the maths....i will be very liberal. I'll let YOU do it. I've proven my point that most people can easily afford the average room with a full time job, I'm moving on......lol. In short you are saying formal and informal are all types of formality.....to me informality means the absence of formality In shortER....I'm saying that CODES ARE PROTOCOLS. Not at the level that it is happening to Black Africans Americans....nor historically Well, I can't argue with whether this is true or not. But whatever they're going through...they aren't letting it hold them back. For Many Black Americans we are in a war right here right now..... Whaaaa - WHO??? WHERE???? At war???? How is laying on the couch smoking fake weed and scrolling through social media on your cell phone all day being "at war"??? Most of these clowns ain't fighting anybody...except EACHOTHER. Now if you say Black folks are at war; many of them are at war with EACHOTHER over petty shit. But not with their open and historic enemy. Being driven and ambitious one can overcome many things even things thought impossible. I agree
ProfD Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Don't worry. The company will get around to firing those employees. They will be replaced with non-AfroAmericans. Oh, it's happening all ready. The vast majority of the Black folks working at my company from the warehouses to the offices are NON-FBA Black folks from Africa and the Carribean. Makes sense especially if AfroAmericans don't own the company themselves. White folks and non-Black business owners are not obligated to provide jobs to AfroAmericans. No matter how hard they're willing to work for them. AfroAmericans should have their own businesses and companies and work for themselves. In less than a decade (10 years), it will become more evident that AfroAmericans need to be more self-sufficient. AfroAmericans cannot trust or rely on any other group of people. We have no friends.
Pioneer1 Posted March 10 Author Report Posted March 10 ProfD I support a 2 Pronged approach. We can work for ourselves AND work for the general population if we so choose. It doesn't have to necessarily be one OR the other. Like Latinos and Asians who have an abundance of their own businesses AND are making strides in White owned firms as well. What I keep saying about AfroAmerican laziness must be accepted as an unfortunate reality for so many of our people. When this is accepted, other things began to make sense. The reasons why so many of us AREN'T starting and maintaining businesses is out of laziness. Infact, as I type out this very post and think about one of the reasons I'm not religious, I can think of ANOTHER reason why I'm not religious anymore.... Because I'm not as lazy as I used to be.
ProfD Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 43 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: I support a 2 Pronged approach. We can work for ourselves AND work for the general population if we so choose. Sure. Individuals can work for whomever they choose. A man cannot serve two masters. Especially if his desire is to become free and wealthy. 43 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Like Latinos and Asians who have an abundance of their own businesses AND are making strides in White owned firms as well. Their numbers are relatively low in higher level management of white companies. 43 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: The reasons why so many of us AREN'T starting and maintaining businesses is out of laziness. Starting a business takes capital. It's hard to do without money.
frankster Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster What you said above is true....but each has it own challenges... Typical 9-5...Can't get it have no skill or discipline or worst they pay minimum wage etc Well if they were born and raised in the United States and have no mental or physical disabilities, what do you mean they "can't get it" or don't have the discipline??? Nigga just don't wanna work or have anybody tell him what to do, that's all. You are overlooking what in reality is learned helplessness.....please check it out and try to understand it Thinking that our brothers are lazy....is so what the racist want you to think and believe 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: And that's going to be a problem if you try to sell dope TOO, because your supplier or anybody else over you WILL tell you what to do and when to do it and will ENFORCE what they say. Which is why so many of these young dudes come up dead. Not easy life 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They working with and or for medicaid welfare or section 8....that is their job to maintain their qualified status. As stated, many people on medicaid and section 8 are NOT working. So they are receiving welfare but aren't working. Yes they are not working in the traditional sense. They have to do what ever it takes to continue recieving section 8....that is their job so now they have to fill out forms and remain up to date and continue to qualify ...that is the job 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: True usually due to either they are not being paid enough or have a mental issue....addictions are mental issues Facts. cool 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yeah....but do they have a marketing budgetlike and advertise like KFC etc? I'm not sure, but the generally sell what people want. Grape bubble gum, cigars for making blunts, weed paper, liquor, and a lot of candy and junk food. That's what most people want. Full grown adults, but juvenile in their thinking so they eat like 11 year old kids. The true name for those places are Convenience Store.....whatever they sell is what the people living nearby will purchase and consume. 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Lets do the maths....i will be very liberal. I'll let YOU do it. I've proven my point that most people can easily afford the average room with a full time job, I'm moving on......lol. Yeah a room in a slum... 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: In short you are saying formal and informal are all types of formality.....to me informality means the absence of formality In shortER....I'm saying that CODES ARE PROTOCOLS. Cool.... 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Not at the level that it is happening to Black Africans Americans....nor historically Well, I can't argue with whether this is true or not. But whatever they're going through...they aren't letting it hold them back. for the asians no... can't say the same for the latinos 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: For Many Black Americans we are in a war right here right now..... Whaaaa - WHO??? WHERE???? At war???? How is laying on the couch smoking fake weed and scrolling through social media on your cell phone all day being "at war"??? Most of these clowns ain't fighting anybody...except EACHOTHER. Now if you say Black folks are at war; many of them are at war with EACHOTHER over petty shit. But not with their open and historic enemy. To much to unpack....Gang warfare check it out 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Being driven and ambitious one can overcome many things even things thought impossible. I agree Cool
Pioneer1 Posted March 10 Author Report Posted March 10 ProfD Sure. Individuals can work for whomever they choose. A man cannot serve two masters. Especially if his desire is to become free and wealthy. What he desires is one thing, what he will actually achieve is another. While it may seem glamour to get your own business and not have a boss telling you what to do, I tell most bruthaz, keep your 9-5. Show up on time and do your job and get that check. For a lot of our people, telling them to get their own business and be their own boss is just feeding into the "lazy" mentality again. If you can't show up on time and are calling off every week or have a "family crisis" every month on a basic 9-5 job....how can you be relied upon to keep an actual business operating? Their numbers are relatively low in higher level management of white companies. Naturally. It's White companies. Like you've said numerous times, it's silly to expect White folks to treat YOU as good as they treat eachother. However the thing about many of them is, they'll work in White companies and under Whites for years or for however long it takes to learn the basics of the operation and then take that knowledge back to their own communities to apply it..THEIR WAY. Meanwhile, that nigga over there in that big ass Pelle Pelle coat rapping to himself can't make it past the 90 day probationary period without making several threats on the job to "slap muhhfuhhs" for talking to him the wrong way during lunch and in the bathroom. The mentality MUST change. frankster Thinking that our brothers are lazy....is so what the racist want you to think and believe No, that's what many of our BRUTHAZ want you to think and believe too when he tells you straight up to your face: "Nigga..I ain't doing that shit. Don't ASK me no muuuhfucking mo!" That's making it pretty clear. You don't need a "racist" to tell you something you grew up seeing, lol. Yes they are not working in the traditional sense. They have to do what ever it takes to continue recieving section 8....that is their job so now they have to fill out forms and remain up to date and continue to qualify ...that is the job Man, you know good and dog gone well that's a stretch....lol. That's like a man who tells people he's working. When they ask doing what? He tells them he currently has a full time job filling out applications and looking for work. He even has "work search hours" he adheres to daily. Come on bro..... The true name for those places are Convenience Store.....whatever they sell is what the people living nearby will purchase and consume. What community doesn't have a Wal-Mart or atleast one grocery store? How many people don't have cars to drive out TO the nearest grocery store if one doesn't exist in their community? You're making excuses for the shitty way so many of our people CHOOSE to eat. Yeah a room in a slum... Gotta crawl before you can walk. Would you feel better if a man working at Taco Bell could afford a furnished room with a private bath inside a billionaire's mansion? To much to unpack....Gang warfare check it out No thanks. I've seen my fair share of it in my youth. Niggaz fighting with eachother so hard that even the dogs and squirrels would run down the street to get away, looking back when they get a safe enough distance...lol.
ProfD Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 29 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: While it may seem glamour to get your own business and not have a boss telling you what to do, I tell most bruthaz, keep your 9-5. Show up on time and do your job and get that check. Sure. If working for someone else is all that person is qualified to do, they aren't potential business owners. No different from workers who are not and will never be management material. There are levels to enployment beyond getting a job. 29 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: For a lot of our people, telling them to get their own business and be their own boss is just feeding into the "lazy" mentality again. Obviously, I'm not suggesting or advocating that a *lazy* individual should start a business. In fact, they won't. H8ll, Black-owned businesses shouldn't hire *lazy* individuals either. The folks most qualified to start businesses need capital in order to do so. They need competent workers too. The lazy, weed smoking folks shouldn't bother to apply.
Pioneer1 Posted March 10 Author Report Posted March 10 It's not even an "our people" thing either.... I'd say MOST people of every race really aren't qualified to operate a successful modern business. Infact, I'd go as far as to say MOST people of every race aren't really qualified to be managers of a business. Most people are WORKERS. They just want to do their jobs, go home, get that check, and enjoy themselves without the headache of trying to manage people and company issues.
ProfD Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 27 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: I'd say MOST people of every race really aren't qualified to operate a successful modern business. Infact, I'd go as far as to say MOST people of every race aren't really qualified to be managers of a business. Most people are WORKERS. Facts. However, every race has folks who are qualified to run a business and hire the folks they need to maintain it. There's no shortage of qualified and competent workers too.
frankster Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It's not even an "our people" thing either.... I'd say MOST people of every race really aren't qualified to operate a successful modern business. Infact, I'd go as far as to say MOST people of every race aren't really qualified to be managers of a business. Most people are WORKERS. They just want to do their jobs, go home, get that check, and enjoy themselves without the headache of trying to manage people and company issues. That a result of formal education and societal norms set in place by JP Morgan...."I do not want a nation of thinkers i want of nations of workers". 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Thinking that our brothers are lazy....is so what the racist want you to think and believe No, that's what many of our BRUTHAZ want you to think and believe too when he tells you straight up to your face: "Nigga..I ain't doing that shit. Don't ASK me no muuuhfucking mo!" That's making it pretty clear. You don't need a "racist" to tell you something you grew up seeing, lol. Similar shyte happen to m.. Every morning on my way to work a brother standing a the subway entrance begs me a dollar for breakfast one day a position open up at my job, so when the dude at the station ask for yet another breakfast I said come with me there is a position at my company... dude replied "Nygga did I tell you I was looking a Job" Let me quote Brother Carter G Woodson on the Miseducation of the Negro....Bertrand Russell has a better quote on this topic but his is on how rich whites control whites. Tell me if you see the relevance to quotes mine and yours above and understand its implications as to who is the cause or what is the cause.. When you control a man's thinking you do not have to worry about his actions. You do not have to tell him not to stand here or go yonder. He will find his 'proper place' and will stay in it. You do not need to send him to the back door. He will go without being told. In fact, if there is no back door, he will cut one for his special benefit. His education makes it necessary. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/156111-when-you-control-a-man-s-thinking-you-do-not-have 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes they are not working in the traditional sense. They have to do what ever it takes to continue recieving section 8....that is their job so now they have to fill out forms and remain up to date and continue to qualify ...that is the job Man, you know good and dog gone well that's a stretch....lol. That is the nature of the work...seems simply - until you get trap in the cycle. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: That's like a man who tells people he's working. When they ask doing what? He tells them he currently has a full time job filling out applications and looking for work. He even has "work search hours" he adheres to daily. Come on bro..... Queens NY got a job in a Chinese company all I did was read the same thing over and over for 3 yrs paid well they then told me about another job For yr and a half I work for this Japanese company all I did was data entry and fill out forms...eventually quit both jobs due to boredom... The Chinese tried for months to get me back. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The true name for those places are Convenience Store.....whatever they sell is what the people living nearby will purchase and consume. What community doesn't have a Wal-Mart or atleast one grocery store? How many people don't have cars to drive out TO the nearest grocery store if one doesn't exist in their community? You're making excuses for the shitty way so many of our people CHOOSE to eat. The Dynamics is that they started you off young and the habit sticks.... Most people in the slums do not have cars....Cars are extremely expensive when you on minimum wage. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yeah a room in a slum... Gotta crawl before you can walk. Would you feel better if a man working at Taco Bell could afford a furnished room with a private bath inside a billionaire's mansion? I would prefer all peoples get a reasonable room. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: To much to unpack....Gang warfare check it out No thanks. I've seen my fair share of it in my youth. Niggaz fighting with eachother so hard that even the dogs and squirrels would run down the street to get away, looking back when they get a safe enough distance...lol. Cool...so yeah living in the ghetto is war
Pioneer1 Posted March 11 Author Report Posted March 11 ProfD However, every race has folks who are qualified to run a business and hire the folks they need to maintain it. There's no shortage of qualified and competent workers too Absolutely. Every race has a BALANCE of owner-types, manager-types, and worker types. And as a rule of thumb, there are fewer managers than workers and fewer owners than managers. It's a pyramid like that with workers at the bottom making up the majority and the owners at the top. It MUST be like that for it to work. You can't have the MAJORITY of people owning and running the show. Who would they tell what to do? It's like EVERYBODY trying to sell dope. If EVERYBODY is doing it...who would they sell it to? In my observation, most people aren't ambitious and disciplined enough to even make it to management...let alone become an owner. And this is alright because as I said, we NEED far more workers. We don't need everybody trying to be boss. frankster That a result of formal education and societal norms set in place by JP Morgan...."I do not want a nation of thinkers i want of nations of workers". Perhaps. But some of it is just nature. Most people aren't manager types let alone owner types. They aren't disciplined enough, ambitious enough, or visionary enough. I stopped even encouraging people to do it because it would upset the natural order of things. I said come with me there is a position at my company... dude replied "Nygga did I tell you I was looking a Job LOL. The other day I saw a homeless looking dude standing at an intersection with a cardboard sign that said, "I ain't go lie...I need liquor and weed money." Bertrand Russell has a better quote on this topic but his is on how rich whites control One of the things that keeps Bertrand Russell in my memory was reading one of his books that said "natural inclinations that are suppressed lead to perversions". I remember that quote and would bring it up from time to time to explain why there is so much perversion and sexual dysfunction in modern society. That is the nature of the work...seems simply - until you get trap in the cycle. But it's not really work. It's more of "going through the motions". Work...traditionally...brings in revenue based on produce. Sitting around all day trying to figure out how to work the system (which isn't necessarily bad in my opinion) usually doesn't bring the same reward. Even what a SCAMMER does would be likely considered "work" in my opinion. Queens NY got a job in a Chinese company all I did was read the same thing over and over for 3 yrs paid well they then told me about another job For yr and a half I work for this Japanese company all I did was data entry and fill out forms...eventually quit both jobs due to boredom... The Chinese tried for months to get me back. Atleast you were generating revenue. Sitting around filling out applications and typing up resumes has it's place and needs to be done sometimes but I wouldn't call it a "job" because it doesn't directly bring in revenue. Most people in the slums do not have cars....Cars are extremely expensive when you on minimum wage. Most poor people in America DO NOT live in slums. Most poor people live in areas where there is a Wal-Mart. Not all, but most. Most poor people also have access to cars and can go riding around to places they WANT to ride to. Not all, but most. It's a struggle, but we know a lot of poor adults could improve their diet and thus improve their health if they took the personal initiative and made better decisions. And the same can be said of middle class and wealthy people when it comes to improving their diets. In America, I'd say over 90% of the population has ACCESS to fresh fruits and vegetables and healthy foods....if they so wished.
ProfD Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: And as a rule of thumb, there are fewer managers than workers and fewer owners than managers. It's a pyramid like that with workers at the bottom making up the majority and the owners at the top. It MUST be like that for it to work. You can't have the MAJORITY of people owning and running the show. Who would they tell what to do? It really depends on the type of business. Many blue-collar conpanies are built like pyramids. Some of them have multiple layers of management too. Many white collar businesses are top-heavy with more managers and executives than workers built on a horizontal ot flat organization. Modern businesses are less predicated on telling folks what to do. People are hired bssed on their knowledge, skill and ability.
Pioneer1 Posted March 12 Author Report Posted March 12 3 hours ago, ProfD said: Modern businesses are less predicated on telling folks what to do. That's probably why most modern businesses fail. Poor communication between the owners/management and the workers and what's actually expected from them. Most owners/managers know that most people today don't like being told what to do despite it being necessary to ensure proper operations and expectations. So they don't. And when projects don't work out to their satisfaction...they simply FIRE people; which is one of the reasons the turn-over rate is so high today. If you want somebody to do something a certain way...TELL THEM. And like Neely Fuller Jr. taught....make sure they're PROPERLY TRAINED on how to do it.
frankster Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster That a result of formal education and societal norms set in place by JP Morgan...."I do not want a nation of thinkers i want of nations of workers". Perhaps. But some of it is just nature. Most people aren't manager types let alone owner types. They aren't disciplined enough, ambitious enough, or visionary enough. I stopped even encouraging people to do it because it would upset the natural order of things. The education is dumbing them down....so how going to know if some one his the capability or not 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I said come with me there is a position at my company... dude replied "Nygga did I tell you I was looking a Job LOL. The other day I saw a homeless looking dude standing at an intersection with a cardboard sign that said, "I ain't go lie...I need liquor and weed money." SMH...LOL 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Bertrand Russell has a better quote on this topic but his is on how rich whites control One of the things that keeps Bertrand Russell in my memory was reading one of his books that said "natural inclinations that are suppressed lead to perversions". I remember that quote and would bring it up from time to time to explain why there is so much perversion and sexual dysfunction in modern society. True That inclination can also be channell into virtuosity if appropriately guided. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: That is the nature of the work...seems simply - until you get trap in the cycle. But it's not really work. It's more of "going through the motions". True But it is work if you are being rewarded for it and some one including yourself is profiting from it. Vanna white and test subjects etc 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Work...traditionally...brings in revenue based on produce. Sitting around all day trying to figure out how to work the system (which isn't necessarily bad in my opinion) usually doesn't bring the same reward. Even what a SCAMMER does would be likely considered "work" in my opinion. Yes. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Queens NY got a job in a Chinese company all I did was read the same thing over and over for 3 yrs paid well they then told me about another job For yr and a half I work for this Japanese company all I did was data entry and fill out forms...eventually quit both jobs due to boredom... The Chinese tried for months to get me back. Atleast you were generating revenue. Sitting around filling out applications and typing up resumes has it's place and needs to be done sometimes but I wouldn't call it a "job" because it doesn't directly bring in revenue. I had to turn up and do what was require for which I was paid 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Most people in the slums do not have cars....Cars are extremely expensive when you on minimum wage. Most poor people in America DO NOT live in slums. A large segment of the black population live in the slums and ghettos. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Most poor people live in areas where there is a Wal-Mart. Not all, but most. Ihave lived in Philly NYC and Atlanta....No walmart was within walking distance of any of my residences. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Most poor people also have access to cars and can go riding around to places they WANT to ride to. Not all, but most. Where you living why you would think this is the case??? Most have a family member or friend who have a car...so they may have access to a car sometimes but most times they do not In other words they are scrubs busta or passenger princess. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It's a struggle, but we know a lot of poor adults could improve their diet and thus improve their health if they took the personal initiative and made better decisions. And the same can be said of middle class and wealthy people when it comes to improving their diets. True. Why the do not do it.....learned helplessness. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: In America, I'd say over 90% of the population has ACCESS to fresh fruits and vegetables and healthy foods....if they so wished. Yes ....but do they know the value. Almost fifty percent of blacks suffer from obesity....that to me is a result of food desert and insecurity.
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