Is repression required for the preservation of white institutions?

[Delano]

The above is a quote from Kelly Carter Jackson's book,

 

We Refuse 

A Forceful History Of Black Resistance 

[aka Contrarian]

Yes, in answer to the question posed,  "repression is required for the preservation of white institutions". 

 That's what MAGA and Project 2025 are all about. Keeping America a white,  Christian, Patriarchal nation.  In order to do this, you have  to keep those who threatened this goal in check. 

The idea of sharing their power is an anathema to those in power. Minorities have to be controlled and- repressed.

                   

[Delano]

If we go back to the start the only people who could vote were white male Protestant land owners 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Delano said:

If we go back to the start the only people who could vote were white male Protestant land owners 

White men understood the importance of making the tent bigger in order to maintain their power.

[Troy]

We Refuse: A Forceful History of Black Resistance
by Kellie Carter Jackson

[Delano]

14 hours ago, ProfD said:

White men understood the importance of making the tent bigger in order to maintain their power.

I don't think the made the rent bigger. They just created ore preferred bleacher seats

[Pioneer1]

I haven't read the book yet so I'm not sure of it's content, but just looking at the cover....I'll be honest.....
Although it's necessary for women to physically join the fight at times, I don't like how this "new history" seeks to masculinize Black women by constantly showing them in the "tough guy" roles.

Again, not saying any of this is implied in the book, however when I see that image it makes me wonder what were the MEN doing that the woman had to be the one to pick up the gat and "resist"?

As far as the OP question, is repression required for the preservation of white institutions?
Yes.
Both repression and more importantly -deception.

 

[Delano]

Women have historically been better at maintaining social connections than men

Who liberated more slaves than Harriet Tubman. Who did Huey Newtown put in charge when he went to prison .Rosa Parks was the face of the movement. I would also say that women are more involved in church than men.

 

I heard that if you want to improve a society give the money to women. Since they'll make sure the kids eat and get educated. 

[Troy]

1 hour ago, Delano said:

I heard that if you want to improve a society give the money to women.

 

I dunno man, I don't think one gender is inherently better than the other when it comes to improving society. There are many you complain that a lot of the money given to Black Lives Matter when to enrich the woman in charge...

 

The real key all the genders (there is more than two ) working together.

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Delano said:

Women have historically been better at maintaining social connections than men

 

I heard that if you want to improve a society give the money to women. Since they'll make sure the kids eat and get educated. 

Surely, the white men who control power and money would disagree and laugh.  Look no further than the current power structure here in the US.  Those types of men see women as a convenience. 

[Pioneer1]

Delano

 

Women have historically been better at maintaining social connections than men

 

When it comes to connections with the oppressor...yes.

The women of the oppressed class have historically gotten along much better with the men of the oppressing class than the MEN of the oppressed class have because of 2 simple reasons:

1. The oppressor didn't see them as competition or a threat as much as they saw their male counterparts.
2. Oppressor men see oppressed women as easily available sex objects.
 

What's not to like about THAT deal?

Who liberated more slaves than Harriet Tubman. Who did Huey Newtown put in charge when he went to prison .Rosa Parks was the face of the movement. I would also say that women are more involved in church than men.

One could argue that one of the reasons the AfroAmerican community has been in such a dysfunctional shape during and after slavery right up until recently IS because women have been the primary ones in charge of dealing with and challenging racism.

If AfroAmerican men actually assumed their natural responsibility as leaders either one of 2 thing would happen:
 

1. Seeing the Black male as an actual threat who wouldn't "compromise" or work with them, they would....if THE SUPREME BEING allowed them to....just annihilate  the AfroAmerican population period so that we'd no longer be a threat to them.

 

Look at what the Israelis are doing to the male-dominant Palestinians.

 

or

 

2. As a male dominated community backed up by our women, we'd challenge the system and eventually overcome it like our brothers did in the Haitian Revolution.

But whatever the case.....
If men were the primary ones in charge of our community I don't think you'd have the snail's pace progress and "2 steps forward 5 steps back" that you see with regards to race relations in America.

 

It would be clear cut and decisive.
Our community would either make clear progress or we wouldn't be here anymore.
No "in between".



 

I heard that if you want to improve a society give the money to women. Since they'll make sure the kids eat and get educated. 
 

That's the issue.
Who's doing the "giving"?

Whoever is doing the giving of the money are the REAL men of the society.
So if White men are the ones giving our sistaz the jobs and the money and both they and our children are relying on White men to employ, educate, house, feed, and clothe them...where do WE stand, as men?



 

Troy

 There are many you complain that a lot of the money given to Black Lives Matter when to enrich the woman in charge...
 

Good point.
And unlike the Panthers who were a MIX of male and female revolutionaries but primarily male who struck fear in the hearts of the racists of that time and were effective in feeding and educating as well as protecting the community.....BLM is lead primarily by women and gay men.

Not only has that organization been effectively neutralized not even 10 years since it's inception; but their policy of walking around with their hands in the air and kneeling down in front of police officers in protest is BEYOND ineffective.
Infact, it's an international embarrassment.

 

 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

Surely, the white men who control power and money would disagree and laugh.  

 

The white women who support them would stand next to them and laugh too.

The thing about a lot of poor and working class White women and Trump supporting women that I like is that they say what I want to hear as a man, especially what I want to hear from MY OWN women.....
They say that they actually SUPPORT strong heterosexual men and want to be protected by us!
 

For a long time you didn't hear that anywhere from any women of any race.
It was politically incorrect for a woman to admit how much she loved and needed the strength and protection of a real man.

I made a sistaz heart melt the other week without even trying......

It was about 4 or 5 of us in a bar after work and we were talking about "gay best friends" and why so many Black women have them now.
On cue, the 3 sistaz all in unison were defending the sissies and talking about how they can confide in a gay man and don't have to worry about him trying to fuck them and could talk to them about things.

I'm the type of brother who knows how to let my deep feelings be known but in a clear and unapologetic way that doesn't even HINT at weakness nor invite disrespect.

I looked at them women and said,

_______________________________________________________________________________________________
"Yall know what?
People feel however they want to feel about that lifestyle but for once.....
FOR ONCE.....
I'd love to hear a Black woman stand up and tell other women:
'Look, if YALL like gay men and feel comfortable around them THAT'S YALL.
But I love REAL MEN.
STRONG MEN.
Not some grown ass man prancing around sounding and acting like a damn 14 year teenage girl.
I don't even like BEING around a man like that.  It's creepy as hell and down right disgusting!'

I'd love a Black woman to tell a gay man to his face:
'You better take your weak and creepy ass on somewhere.
I don't want to be your best friend and I don't want to share no damn secrets with you.
Since you like men so damn much....run along and FIND some for both of us; cuz YOU ain't one.
Get lost....creep!'
I'd LOVE to see just one sista go off on a gay dude like that."

__________________________________________________________________________________

The entire group got silent.
And STAYED silent until the waitress came over to ask us what else we'd like and broke the akward silence....LOL.

We talked about that and other things some more and a few days later one of the sistaz came to me....as I knew one of them would...talking about how she was thinking about what I said and yada yada yada.....the conversation went well.
I gave her...and probably the other 2 as quiet as it was kept....a new perspective on how men really feel about seeing them being so friendly to gay dudes.

I told that story to illustrate how sometimes it's best to be honest with women about how you REALLY feel and what you REALLY want and expect from them as far as their support in being a man, being masculine, being strong.

Like Malcolm used to say....stop sugar coating and lying and tell the White man how you REALLY feel.
How dissatisfied you are!
He MIGHT respect you and grant you some of what you ask for if you stop grinning and pretending everything is fine.
That's getting in the way of progress.
I never forgot the first time I heard him say that and I always remembered it and apply it to much of my life in dealing with people.

Tell people how you REALLY feel.
You don't have to be weak and sissified about it, but be HONEST about it.

If we want our women to back us up in being strong...TELL THEM straight up.
If we don't like it....I don't....when they support thugs and sissies and freaks and everybody EXCEPT a good strong Black man...TELL THEM.

 

The right-wingers and Trump supports have it right in that regards because they still demand that their women BE women and support them.
We can learn a lesson from that.


 

[umbrarchist]

Repression is necessary for the maintenance of the White self righteous delusions of grandeur. The institutions are products of those delusions.

 

Before COVID I was at a high school installing Wi-Fi. I said to a teacher there, "White men confuse their egos with their intellects." She said, "THAT'S RIGHT!"

 

I do not recall putting it that succinctly before, but that is what it comes down to.

 

Technology gave White people the power to go around the world stealing land, taking over resources and the POWER has gone to their heads. Technology and the Laws of Physics do not give a damn about them or anyone else.

 

Basketball is not going to give Black Americans any power. It probably helps them maintain part of their stereotype about us.

 

So I talk about economics and accounting.

 

The NAZInomic Wargame is a continuation of the military wargame by other means.

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Edited March 21 by umbrarchist
Gram err

[Pioneer1]

umbrarchist

 

Before COVID I was at a high school installing Wi-Fi. I said to a teacher there, "White men confuse their egos with their intellects." She said, "THAT'S RIGHT!"
 

???
What race was the teacher?
 

Also, can you go into a little more detail about what you meant by that?

Like, what was the context for that exchange between you two?