Troy Posted June 8 Report Posted June 8 You've already let us know you reject science. The dictonary's definition obviously is not a scientific reference. It is curious you never reference any scientific sources for a definition of race.
Pioneer1 Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 Troy A clear definition of race that refers to it in biological terms: 3 biology : a group within a species that is distinguishable (as morphologically, genetically, or behaviorally) from others of the same species https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › race It's right there in plain text. Go see it for yourself. Just because SOME or even MOST scientists will reject the concept on race on genetic terms, the dictionary clearly says genetics...among other things...can be used to distinguish racial classifications. Is that a contradiction? It is curious you never reference any scientific sources for a definition of race. Why? The point isn't how "scientific" the existence of multiple races are, the point is...THEY EXIST. Do I need to scientific reference to label the different flavors of ice cream?
frankster Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Troy A clear definition of race that refers to it in biological terms: 3 biology : a group within a species that is distinguishable (as morphologically, genetically, or behaviorally) from others of the same species https://www.merriam-webster.com › dictionary › race It's right there in plain text. Go see it for yourself. Just because SOME or even MOST scientists will reject the concept on race on genetic terms, the dictionary clearly says genetics...among other things...can be used to distinguish racial classifications. Is that a contradiction? It is curious you never reference any scientific sources for a definition of race. Why? The point isn't how "scientific" the existence of multiple races are, the point is...THEY EXIST. Do I need to scientific reference to label the different flavors of ice cream? What does "distinguishable " means to you @Pioneer1 Post you meaning and link to supprt meaning
frankster Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 On 6/8/2025 at 10:39 AM, Pioneer1 said: Here you said you don't accept the idea of race....period. Can't say if I have when in a discussion with you.... If I have please repost with link and date... but be sure that I did not say before in the same or other thread that race is a social construct. If I use the word race with you it could be to facilitate converstaion....so I am using it in its social construct definition. Race as a social Construct is often considerd unreal/notreal ....because it is made up, definitions often changes, people who were considered of one race or the other are now of another race, Children of the same parentage can be considered of different races, Often the same individual is thought of as belonging to different races according to where they are and Racial designations are based on the political whims of the current day. The Census Bureau basically defines race as a self Identification category that reflects a persons personal self identification or social and cultural identity and allows you to choose any or how ever many different races you identify as. On 6/8/2025 at 10:39 AM, Pioneer1 said: You didn't specify in this case. Well I specify many times On 6/8/2025 at 10:39 AM, Pioneer1 said: However in other cases you DID specify your acceptance of it as a social construct. I think I did so in our last discussion which you seem to have forgotten.... In any case I do so now and hold that I have held this position for a several decades now. On 6/8/2025 at 10:39 AM, Pioneer1 said: Then you turn around and declare there is only on race and tie genetics and biology to it after denying it's genetic and biological component...lol. Race cannot be proven to have any genetic base.... Show my turn around link post and date..... On 6/8/2025 at 10:39 AM, Pioneer1 said: First note it is an Action Ok? Sexism is an action....like Racism. You are actively DO, or SAYING, or THINKING something to or about someone else. Now what's your point? Homophobia is the same thing.... Allow me to paraphrase you........"you are actively Doing or Saying or Thinking something to or about someone else of your own sex." On 6/8/2025 at 10:39 AM, Pioneer1 said: Now you're muddying the waters here.... The water been muddy already by you On 6/8/2025 at 10:39 AM, Pioneer1 said: I said: He's hated because of his sexual ORIENTATION...being gay. You said: But he is still a man...thats hated by other men - that is same sex hate I said: But that's not sexism. You said: Yes it is....he is not fulfilling his social role. Refering to this definition: Yes On 6/8/2025 at 10:39 AM, Pioneer1 said: Sexual orientation is NOT about your "social role" but who you PREFER to have sex with, regardless of what you actually do. If you are a man and you Prefer to have sex with men....then you are not fulfilling your Social Role On 6/8/2025 at 10:39 AM, Pioneer1 said: Acting like a woman and having sex with another man are behaviors that are disliked...true. They are NOT the traditional social role of a man...true. Thank you On 6/8/2025 at 10:39 AM, Pioneer1 said: However if a man doesn't act like a woman and doesn't have sex at all...if he's known to be a homosexual he will still be disliked under homophobia. Why? Because the focus is on the man's orientation/preference. So this man is capable of sex but does not engage in sex....is therefore a Celibate or Ascetic Rumors abound that he is homosexual and people believe thses rumors to be true.....Then he will be treated as all other homosexuals are treated. On 6/8/2025 at 10:39 AM, Pioneer1 said: So he is a victim of homophobia but not not necessarily sexism because his behavior is irrelevant once his sexual preference is known. Yes he is first victim of Rumors and disinformation/misinformation.....That resulted in him becoming a victim of homophobia. If He is Celibate....then he has no sexual preference or orientation while celibate - unless he expresses his preference.
Pioneer1 Posted June 9 Report Posted June 9 Troy I have nothing to add Lol...well you're welcomed to pay attention. frankster What does "distinguishable " means to you @Pioneer1 I'm not sure, but I've given you a definition of race that includes a biological and genetic aspect. Can't say if I have when in a discussion with you.... If I have please repost with link and date... Quote On 5/17/2025 at 11:15 AM, frankster said: I still do not accept the idea of Race That there is One Human Race....genetically and biologically You can find that quote on the 2nd page of this thread. Race cannot be proven to have any genetic base.... It doesn't need to be, it's merely a category often used to distinguish expressed genetic differences. If you are a man and you Prefer to have sex with men....then you are not fulfilling your Social Role A preference is a THOUGHT...not a "role" being fulfilled. If He is Celibate....then he has no sexual preference or orientation while celibate - unless he expresses his preference. Being celibate doesn't affect his preference what so ever. A preference is a THOUGHT...having little to do with behavior. He can still HAVE a preference without expressing it. If it is known however, then he is usually still disliked for it whether he expressed it or not. In many if not most cases, homophobia is more a akin to being an aspect of RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE than sexism.
frankster Posted June 10 Report Posted June 10 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster What does "distinguishable " means to you @Pioneer1 I'm not sure, but I've given you a definition of race that includes a biological and genetic aspect. You are right to say you are not sure....cause you are in error 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Can't say if I have when in a discussion with you.... If I have please repost with link and date... You can find that quote on the 2nd page of this thread. Here is the first post of mine of page 2 "True And since race is about Politics(social power) and Economics(financial power). In the US both historically and currently for the most part he would be considered and treated as black once his ancestry is publicly recognized and accepted." I need go no further....Social Power - proves my assertions 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Race cannot be proven to have any genetic base.... It doesn't need to be, it's merely a category often used to distinguish expressed genetic differences. It cannot do so with any degree of accuracy or certainty.... 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If you are a man and you Prefer to have sex with men....then you are not fulfilling your Social Role A preference is a THOUGHT...not a "role" being fulfilled. If it is a thought then it is a action 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If He is Celibate....then he has no sexual preference or orientation while celibate - unless he expresses his preference. Being celibate doesn't affect his preference what so ever. If he is celibate then it means for whatever reason he prefers to be celibate right now 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: A preference is a THOUGHT...having little to do with behavior. It has everything to do with it.....he is refraining from sexual activity as a result of his preference 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: He can still HAVE a preference without expressing it. He is expressing his preference by being celibate.... An unexpress preference is a desire 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If it is known however, then he is usually still disliked for it whether he expressed it or not. ok 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: In many if not most cases, homophobia is more a akin to being an aspect of RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE than sexism. Both has their roots in Culture and Religion depending on Time and Place
Pioneer1 Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 frankster You are right to say you are not sure....cause you are in error I'm right to say that I'm not sure because I'm NOT. I'm not a walking dictionary. I need go no further....Social Power - proves my assertions How? It cannot do so with any degree of accuracy or certainty.... It doesn't "need" to. As long as it does so adequately enough for common usage. As with the "bank robber" example I used in another thread. A man comes in and robs a bank and the police ask witnesses for a description....they don't need to be "scientific" about it for the cops to get a general idea of what the man looks like based on their descriptions of him. If it is a thought then it is a action But it's not a "role". It's not until that thought is EXPRESSED that it comes close to being a social role. If he is celibate then it means for whatever reason he prefers to be celibate right now Well, you DO have a group of people called "incels" or INVOLUNARILY celibate...but that's another topic, lol. Just because someone chooses to become celibate, that doesn't change or affect their sexual preference. It has everything to do with it.....he is refraining from sexual activity as a result of his preference Yes, but not his sexual orientation preference. He may have a preference to not eat red meat, but that's a DIFFERENT preference than his preference for men instead of women. People are complex and tend to have different preferences for different things. He is expressing his preference by being celibate.... He's expressing his sexual ACTIVITY preference, not his sexual ORIENTATIONAL preference. He may be gay, but prefers not to have sex for a particular reason....like many straight men do. Catholic priests (as fucked up as some of them are) take a VOW CELIBACY. That doesn't change their sexual orientation. Their orientation remains the same despite the fact that they may not be actively expressing it.
frankster Posted June 12 Report Posted June 12 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster You are right to say you are not sure....cause you are in error I'm right to say that I'm not sure because I'm NOT. I'm not a walking dictionary. Well then you should be humble....and pay attention to some one who knows. So look up the word and post and link here.....the word is "Indistinguishable" I know its a challenged for you but try to be honest by reading the meaning and then the example of use on various different website then come to a consensus 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I need go no further....Social Power - proves my assertions How? Race is a product of Social Power Social Power is the ability of one group to cause another group to act or not act Social Power is used to invent Social Constructs as a means or way to express social power What Is Social Power? - Your Civil Rights Guide 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It cannot do so with any degree of accuracy or certainty.... It doesn't "need" to. As long as it does so adequately enough for common usage. It is inadequate and worse it is the source of certain types of oppression Race as a social construct presumes and implies certain inaccuracies that results in the oppression of groups of peoples. These false presumptions and implications are used to legitimize and perpetuate oppression. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: As with the "bank robber" example I used in another thread. A man comes in and robs a bank and the police ask witnesses for a description....they don't need to be "scientific" about it for the cops to get a general idea of what the man looks like based on their descriptions of him. Describing some ones appearance is not about race but ethnicity. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If it is a thought then it is a action But it's not a "role". It's not until that thought is EXPRESSED that it comes close to being a social role. The thought is the action and the action is the role....otherwords whatever the person is doing is the role 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If he is celibate then it means for whatever reason he prefers to be celibate right now Well, you DO have a group of people called "incels" or INVOLUNARILY celibate...but that's another topic, lol. Just because someone chooses to become celibate, that doesn't change or affect their sexual preference. Incels prefer to be celibate.....they only desire to be sexual - they fear the consequencies or process of being or becoming sexual. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It has everything to do with it.....he is refraining from sexual activity as a result of his preference Yes, but not his sexual orientation preference. He may have a preference to not eat red meat, but that's a DIFFERENT preference than his preference for men instead of women. People are complex and tend to have different preferences for different things. Preference in a sense is liking one thing over the other in the moment.....which ever you are liking is you preference. Orientation is the action of procuring or enjoying your preference 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: He is expressing his preference by being celibate.... He's expressing his sexual ACTIVITY preference, not his sexual ORIENTATIONAL preference. What ever he is doing is his preference 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: He may be gay, but prefers not to have sex for a particular reason....like many straight men do. So while celbate that is his preference... When he resumes sexual activity that is his preference.... His orientation depends on who he has sex with .....be it with men or women 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Catholic priests (as fucked up as some of them are) take a VOW CELIBACY. Yes...they then prefer(or pretend) to be celibate - for whatever reason. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: That doesn't change their sexual orientation. They maybe desire young boys or women 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Their orientation remains the same despite the fact that they may not be actively expressing it. Orientation is an act
Pioneer1 Posted June 15 Report Posted June 15 frankster Well then you should be humble....and pay attention to some one who knows. Ok, find them for me....lol. So look up the word and post and link here.....the word is "Indistinguishable" I know its a challenged for you but try to be honest by reading the meaning and then the example of use on various different website then come to a consensus Honestly bro, I don't CARE what the meaning is right now because that's not my focus. It is inadequate and worse it is the source of certain types of oppression Race as a social construct presumes and implies certain inaccuracies that results in the oppression of groups of peoples. These false presumptions and implications are used to legitimize and perpetuate oppression. On the other hand, RACE can also be a source of liberation and protection. Look at this piece from the Civil Rights Act of 1964: b) It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer, labor organization, or employment agency to print or publish or cause to be printed or published any notice or advertisement relating to employment by such an employer or membership in or any classification or referral for employment by such a labor organization, or relating to any classification or referral for employment by such an employment agency, indicating any preference, limitation, specification, or discrimination, based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, except that such a notice or advertisement may indicate a preference, limitation, specification, or discrimination based on religion, sex, or national origin when religion, sex, or national origin is a bona fide occupational qualification for employment https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/civil-rights-act The concept of race is used in this Act to help protect people classified AS a certain race and prevent them from being discriminated against. Describing some ones appearance is not about race but ethnicity. Ethnicity is defined more by culture. Outside of the clothes one wears, how can you tell a person's ethnicity simply by LOOKING at them? You can usually tell a person's race by appearance, but not their ethnicity unless they're wearing their ethnic garb. The thought is the action and the action is the role....other words whatever the person is doing is the role While a thought is technically an "action" most people don't see it that way. Also, an action isn't necessarily a person's role. ...unless your roll is in a movie and somebody yells: ACTION! ....lol. Incels prefer to be celibate.....they only desire to be sexual - they fear the consequencies or process of being or becoming sexual. Not sure what the psychology behind it is but most Incels DO NOT prefer to be celibate. They WANT to have sex but for a number of reasons can't get anybody to have sex with them. Hence the term IN(voluntary)CEL(ibate). Preference in a sense is liking one thing over the other in the moment.....which ever you are liking is you preference. Orientation is the action of procuring or enjoying your preference Orientation and preference are often interchangeable and in this case when you're talking about sexual preferences...it is. What ever he is doing is his preference So if a person is "doing time"....are you saying they PREFER to be locked up? So while celbate that is his preference... Correct. But not his only one. When he resumes sexual activity that is his preference.... Correct. But again, not his ONLY preference. His orientation depends on who he has sex with .....be it with men or women No. His orientation is who he PREFERS to have sex with, not necessary who he ACTUALLY has sex with. Yes...they then prefer(or pretend) to be celibate - for whatever reason. Yes. That's ONE of their preferences. Another preference is their actual ORIENTATION. They maybe desire young boys or women Correct. And that's another preference. Their actual ORIENTATION. Orientation is an act It's also a PREFERENCE/THOUGHT/DESIRE
frankster Posted June 15 Report Posted June 15 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Well then you should be humble....and pay attention to some one who knows. Ok, find them for me....lol. I will not do for you what you should do for yourself.... To do your work...will result in you bringing forward silly and unnecessary argumentations. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So look up the word and post and link here.....the word is "Indistinguishable" I know its a challenged for you but try to be honest by reading the meaning and then the example of use on various different website then come to a consensus Honestly bro, I don't CARE what the meaning is right now because that's not my focus. I know thats true.... Because it will prove you are in error... Most people are not interested in truths that will prove them wrong...they would rather remain ignorant - than change. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It is inadequate and worse it is the source of certain types of oppression Race as a social construct presumes and implies certain inaccuracies that results in the oppression of groups of peoples. These false presumptions and implications are used to legitimize and perpetuate oppression. On the other hand, RACE can also be a source of liberation and protection. Look at this piece from the Civil Rights Act of 1964: b) It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer, labor organization, or employment agency to print or publish or cause to be printed or published any notice or advertisement relating to employment by such an employer or membership in or any classification or referral for employment by such a labor organization, or relating to any classification or referral for employment by such an employment agency, indicating any preference, limitation, specification, or discrimination, based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, except that such a notice or advertisement may indicate a preference, limitation, specification, or discrimination based on religion, sex, or national origin when religion, sex, or national origin is a bona fide occupational qualification for employment https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/civil-rights-act The concept of race is used in this Act to help protect people classified AS a certain race and prevent them from being discriminated against. This Act was a legislation enacted to eradicate preferential or discriminatory treatment based on Race.. Race in this case is not the source of Liberation....but the cause of Oppression So by ending race as a criteria it was believe that the social oppression of one group by the other would end or be minimized in some way. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Describing some ones appearance is not about race but ethnicity. Ethnicity is defined more by culture. Yes.... but phenotype is also used.....especially but not limited to geography(region) 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Outside of the clothes one wears, how can you tell a person's ethnicity simply by LOOKING at them? You can usually tell a person's race by appearance, but not their ethnicity unless they're wearing their ethnic garb. I and @Troy have presented several example where you cannot tell some one's race by just looking at them... Hence why we have the social phenomena called "Passing" 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The thought is the action and the action is the role....other words whatever the person is doing is the role While a thought is technically an "action" most people don't see it that way. Also, an action isn't necessarily a person's role. ...unless your roll is in a movie and somebody yells: ACTION! ....lol. Your thoughts and actions are your role or the role you are playing If your actions are loving and having sexual relationships with men....then your are a homosexual - no matter how much you thinking of doing it with women....at the most you are bi-sexual - which includes both hetero and homo. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Incels prefer to be celibate.....they only desire to be sexual - they fear the consequencies or process of being or becoming sexual. Not sure what the psychology behind it is but most Incels DO NOT prefer to be celibate. They WANT to have sex but for a number of reasons can't get anybody to have sex with them. Hence the term IN(voluntary)CEL(ibate). They are just Celibate.... We all want to be....some thing What we are doing right now tells us what we are... I want to be an athlete....but i lay in bed everyday and eat junk food and complain about feeing tired and listless. Am I then an "Involuntary Slouch/Sluggard" or just a slouch? Involuntary means to do with out Will or Conscious Control.. Voluntary means to do with Will or Conscious effort... if they can purchase any thing....is they wanted to they could purchase sex as well. Incels do not exercise conscious control over their actions in order to procure sex....They want it to happen to them or for them - but they do exercise conscious control over their actions and thoughts by calling themselves incels and being celibate. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: preference in a sense is liking one thing over the other in the moment.....which ever you are liking is you preference. Orientation is the action of procuring or enjoying your preference Orientation and preference are often interchangeable and in this case when you're talking about sexual preferences...it is. yes 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: What ever he is doing is his preference So if a person is "doing time"....are you saying they PREFER to be locked up? Being incarcerated is out of their control...they are being forced to stay in place against their Will.. That is not often their preference......What are they doing while incarcerated? 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So while celbate that is his preference... Correct. But not his only one. You can have more than preference.... 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: When he resumes sexual activity that is his preference.... Correct. But again, not his ONLY preference. Yes 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: His orientation depends on who he has sex with .....be it with men or women No. His orientation is who he PREFERS to have sex with, not necessary who he ACTUALLY has sex with. Both can be true.. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes...they then prefer(or pretend) to be celibate - for whatever reason. Yes. That's ONE of their preferences. Another preference is their actual ORIENTATION. Yes....one is usually foremost or immediate over the other 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They maybe desire young boys or women Correct. And that's another preference. Their actual ORIENTATION. Preference tends to be an immediate decision or choice 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Orientation is an act It's also a PREFERENCE/THOUGHT/DESIRE Orientation is a long term or overarching desire or frame of reference/state of mind/thoughts
Pioneer1 Posted June 15 Report Posted June 15 frankster I will not do for you what you should do for yourself.... To do your work...will result in you bringing forward silly and unnecessary argumentations. I'm talking about "some one who knows". Find THEM for me. Because when it comes to racial issues and classifications, YOU obviously aren't one of them, lol. It took you...I don't know how long...to finally accept the existence of race. This Act was a legislation enacted to eradicate preferential or discriminatory treatment based on Race.. Race in this case is not the source of Liberation....but the cause of Oppression But the REMEDY to that oppression involved RACIAL IDENTIFICATION. Finding out WHO has been oppressed and discriminated against because of their race and helping them. So by ending race as a criteria it was believe that the social oppression of one group by the other would end or be minimized in some way. Correct. Which concedes that they indirectly ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of racism and race itself. I and @Troy have presented several example where you cannot tell some one's race by just looking at them... The "several examples" that you gave are more EXCEPTIONS than RULES. You don't cherry pick racially ambiguous people and use THEM as examples of how ambiguous racial classifications are when there are far people who's appearances clearly established inside a racial category and they are the vast majority. Take your ass to South Sudan, stick you head in somebody's house, and tell me you don't know what "race" they are by looking at them! An obviously BLACK MAN will look you in the face and tell you to get the hell out of his house...lol. "You MUST go....right now!" Your thoughts and actions are your role or the role you are playing ALL roles are actions.....but not all actions are roles. Some actions are just routine, experimental, temporary, fleeting, etc.. Married heterosexual women often kiss, play with, and hug on eachother in a playful way...but they aren't lesbian. If your actions are loving and having sexual relationships with men....then your are a homosexual - no matter how much you thinking of doing it with women LOVING is the key word. It's that thought or preference that makes him homosexual, not necessarily his action. If he was straight but RAPED by another man and didn't love it, his ACTIONS didn't line up with his thoughts/preferences. Being incarcerated is out of their control...they are being forced to stay in place against their Will.. Exactly. But you said "whatever a person is doing is their preference". Do you understand that people often DO things they don't prefer to do because they either have no choice or their motivation for doing it is greater than their desire not to? A person may not prefer getting up early in the morning, but their desire to get that pay check from going to work is stronger than their preference....lol. Preference tends to be an immediate decision or choice Orientation is a long term or overarching desire or frame of reference/state of mind/thoughts You're CLOSE to being correct. Preference can be immediate OR long term. When it IS long term, it's ORIENTATION. Now be careful.... In some cases a person's sexual orientation may NOT be their preference! If they are a Christian...but gay....their orientation is homosexual, but they may WANT and PREFER to be straight! Lol...you weren't ready for that one, were you?
frankster Posted June 15 Report Posted June 15 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster I will not do for you what you should do for yourself.... To do your work...will result in you bringing forward silly and unnecessary argumentations. I'm talking about "some one who knows". Find THEM for me. Because when it comes to racial issues and classifications, YOU obviously aren't one of them, lol. It took you...I don't know how long...to finally accept the existence of race. I would not be teaching....if i continue to do your work - you would never learn... Race is a Social Construct... 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: This Act was a legislation enacted to eradicate preferential or discriminatory treatment based on Race.. Race in this case is not the source of Liberation....but the cause of Oppression But the REMEDY to that oppression involved RACIAL IDENTIFICATION. Finding out WHO has been oppressed and discriminated against because of their race and helping them. No.... The Liberation is removal of race as a consideration. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So by ending race as a criteria it was believe that the social oppression of one group by the other would end or be minimized in some way. Correct. Which concedes that they indirectly ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of racism and race itself. Yes....Race as a social construct 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I and @Troy have presented several example where you cannot tell some one's race by just looking at them... I wrote this....but the below I will question... 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The "several examples" that you gave are more EXCEPTIONS than RULES. What? This is out of place Am I being misquoted on purpose? 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You don't cherry pick racially ambiguous people and use THEM as examples of how ambiguous racial classifications are The whole idea of Races has been and is Ambiguous 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: when there are far people who's appearances clearly established inside a racial category and they are the vast majority. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Take your ass to South Sudan, stick you head in somebody's house, and tell me you don't know what "race" they are by looking at them! An obviously BLACK MAN will look you in the face and tell you to get the hell out of his house...lol. "You MUST go....right now!" I Would think they probable belong to one of the many African ethnicities... If communicating with some one like yourself.....for expediency - I would probable use the words black or dark people. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Your thoughts and actions are your role or the role you are playing ALL roles are actions.....but not all actions are roles. Some actions are just routine, experimental, temporary, fleeting, etc.. Married heterosexual women often kiss, play with, and hug on eachother in a playful way...but they aren't lesbian. Where I come from.....if these activities are romantic or sexual in nature then they are lesbians/bisexual 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If your actions are loving and having sexual relationships with men....then your are a homosexual - no matter how much you thinking of doing it with women LOVING is the key word. It's that thought or preference that makes him homosexual, not necessarily his action. If you are thinking it then you mentally already a homosexual... When you commit the act then you are Actually a homosexual... 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If he was straight but RAPED by another man and didn't love it, his ACTIONS didn't line up with his thoughts/preferences. Then you have been raped and sodomized...you have been forced in to homosexuality If however one facilitates or engages in such activities freely then one is.... One is not usually held responsible for actions committed under coercion or duress. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Being incarcerated is out of their control...they are being forced to stay in place against their Will.. Exactly. But you said "whatever a person is doing is their preference". Do you understand that people often DO things they don't prefer to do because they either have no choice or their motivation for doing it is greater than their desire not to? If they have no choice....then they are being forced - into homosexual acts They prefer those acts than the alternatives... If it is a matter of motivation....then they are more motivated or desire to do that which makes them - homosexual or heterosexual 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: A person may not prefer getting up early in the morning, but their desire to get that pay check from going to work is stronger than their preference....lol. They would like to stay in bed...but they prefer the paycheck I have a classmate who prefer to stay in bed and watch movies than work......she went on disabilities in her 20's and never came off now she is in her sixties and still on it. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Preference tends to be an immediate decision or choice Orientation is a long term or overarching desire or frame of reference/state of mind/thoughts You're CLOSE to being correct. Preference can be immediate OR long term. When it IS long term, it's ORIENTATION. Ok... 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Now be careful.... In some cases a person's sexual orientation may NOT be their preference! If they are a Christian...but gay....their orientation is homosexual, but they may WANT and PREFER to be straight! Lol...you weren't ready for that one, were you? They just lying to themselves.
Pioneer1 Posted June 16 Report Posted June 16 frankster I would not be teaching....if You aren't. No.... The Liberation is removal of race as a consideration. Instead of going back and forth with you on that one.... Affirmative Action...SUPPOSEDLY/IN THEORY....uses race to BENEFIT the oppressed. It actually has helped some Black people. What? This is out of place Am I being misquoted on purpose? Sorry, it WAS indeed a misquote The whole idea of Races has been and is Ambiguous To some people, yes. A lot of people can't think analytically and don't know how to categorize things period, let alone people. Things are more "fluid" to them. Race, gender, sex...everything blends together. I Would think they probable belong to one of the many African ethnicities... If communicating with some one like yourself.....for expediency - I would probable use the words black or dark people. Exactly. Because they fall into the "Black" or "Very Dark" race. I would have no problem with "Very Dark" being a racial classification as well as "Dark Brown" vs "Light Brown" as actual races. As long as it was a general consensus. Where I come from.....if these activities are romantic or sexual in nature then they are lesbians/bisexual I said PLAY with eachother in a PLAYFUL way. Although romantic partners can and usually do play with eachother, I emphasize "play" for a reason...lol. You claim you've been around Africans, yet you haven't seen women kiss eachother or slap eachother on the butt in play? I have, many times. I've seen American women....straight as arrows...do this to. I've seen straight women RELATED to eachother do this. I've seen SISTERS do this to eachother. If you are thinking it then you mentally already a homosexual... Well there IS NO homosexual without it atleast being mental. Sexual orientation IS primarily mental, regardless as to the way it's sexually expressed. When you commit the act then you are Actually a homosexual... Again, whether you ACT it out or not...if you are a man who likes to or wants to have have sex with other men and NOT women you are homosexual. ...if you like and want both you're BI. If however one facilitates or engages in such activities freely then one is.... I want to say yes; however there could be situations where a person freely engages in homosexual activity even if they aren't homosexual. Like certain secret society rituals where that is one of the procedures. It's one thing to BE sodomized. But if man can get an erection TO sodomize another man, I would definitely consider that first man homosexual. I have a classmate who prefer to stay in bed and watch movies than work......she went on disabilities in her 20's and never came off now she is in her sixties and still on it. Interesting. Perhaps she really WAS disabled....mentally. Most normal people couldn't do that for that long. I've known people who were physically able bodied but just lay in bed day and night for hours and hours at a time. Some sleep, others watch tv/movies, others just stare at the ceiling. They had psychological issue though. They just lying to themselves. I wouldn't say that. They are sincerely religious and believe that their feelings are of the devil or atleast are evil and they sincerely want to change. Yet...by nature...they prefer...are oriented to...the same sex. To their own dismay.
frankster Posted June 16 Report Posted June 16 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster I would not be teaching....if You aren't. You are right the student is not learning 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: No.... The Liberation is removal of race as a consideration. Instead of going back and forth with you on that one.... Affirmative Action...SUPPOSEDLY/IN THEORY....uses race to BENEFIT the oppressed. It actually has helped some Black people. Affrimative action was a means to measure how much race is not being used as a tool of oppression. Affrimative Action help all human beings...regardless of race. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: What? This is out of place Am I being misquoted on purpose? Sorry, it WAS indeed a misquote Cool 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The whole idea of Races has been and is Ambiguous To some people, yes. A lot of people can't think analytically and don't know how to categorize things period, let alone people. Things are more "fluid" to them. Race, gender, sex...everything blends together. ok 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I Would think they probable belong to one of the many African ethnicities... If communicating with some one like yourself.....for expediency - I would probable use the words black or dark people. Exactly. Because they fall into the "Black" or "Very Dark" race. I would use that to communicate with the likes of you.....not with intelligent people Skin color does not denote race.....causes these people can at any time bring forth a child with white skin blue eyes and blonde hair call an Albino. Sometime these people change skin tone or color called - Vitiligo These same peole if migrate to a more northern climate change thru the generation to a lighter skin tone among other changes. We are mostly just different shades of brown 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I would have no problem with "Very Dark" being a racial classification as well as "Dark Brown" vs "Light Brown" as actual races. As long as it was a general consensus. I would not divide humanity along such arbitrary and transient lines... 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Where I come from.....if these activities are romantic or sexual in nature then they are lesbians/bisexual I said PLAY with eachother in a PLAYFUL way. Although romantic partners can and usually do play with eachother, I emphasize "play" for a reason...lol. The acts in and of themself is homosexual in nature or fits that appellation/label. Being play does lends some innocence....but the act is what it is These individuals are not being force but seduce into homosexual behavior 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You claim you've been around Africans, yet you haven't seen women kiss eachother or slap eachother on the butt in play? I have, many times. I've seen American women....straight as arrows...do this to. I've seen straight women RELATED to eachother do this. I've seen SISTERS do this to eachother. Yes...I have seen this behavior... What it means is that they are exhibiting homosexual behaviors and tendencies If you are displaying these behaviors them what are you????? 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If you are thinking it then you mentally already a homosexual... Well there IS NO homosexual without it atleast being mental. Sexual orientation IS primarily mental, regardless as to the way it's sexually expressed. Okay then 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: When you commit the act then you are Actually a homosexual... Again, whether you ACT it out or not...if you are a man who likes to or wants to have have sex with other men and NOT women you are homosexual. ...if you like and want both you're BI. ok 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If however one facilitates or engages in such activities freely then one is.... I want to say yes; however there could be situations where a person freely engages in homosexual activity even if they aren't homosexual. Like certain secret society rituals where that is one of the procedures. It's one thing to BE sodomized. But if man can get an erection TO sodomize another man, I would definitely consider that first man homosexual. If one engages in homosexual acts....it does tend to make one a homosexual... In ancient societies it was the the one sodomize that was considered the homosexual....and so I am told it is in prison today - turned out. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I have a classmate who prefer to stay in bed and watch movies than work......she went on disabilities in her 20's and never came off now she is in her sixties and still on it. Interesting. Perhaps she really WAS disabled....mentally. Most normal people couldn't do that for that long. Yes...that is the official diagnosis 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I've known people who were physically able bodied but just lay in bed day and night for hours and hours at a time. Some sleep, others watch tv/movies, others just stare at the ceiling. They had psychological issue though. They were willing to pay the cost to have their desire.....Not To Work 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They just lying to themselves. I wouldn't say that. They are sincerely religious and believe that their feelings are of the devil or atleast are evil and they sincerely want to change. Yet...by nature...they prefer...are oriented to...the same sex. To their own dismay. I am not denying what they sincerely want.... I am stating what they are..... and....... as a result what they prefer.
ProfD Posted June 16 Author Report Posted June 16 The new Pope having some kind of *flavor* is a huge win for the Catholic church. Makes the gig a bit less rigid and stuffy.
Pioneer1 Posted June 16 Report Posted June 16 4 hours ago, umbrarchist said: Pope Ball It's the End of the World!!! . I'll take that over "pickle ball". What the hell is that anyway???? I hadn't even HEARD of it 10 years ago....now every time you turn on the television some celebrity is enjoying a game of "pickle ball" with the family. franster Affrimative action was a means to measure how much race is not being used as a tool of oppression. Affrimative Action help all human beings...regardless of race. I don't know about helping "all" human beings. It was originally designed to help AfroAmericans, but actually helps White women more than anybody else. But SOME Black people actually have been helped by Affirmative Action, and they serve as examples of how being classified as a race can be used as a positive. Skin color does not denote race.....causes these people can at any time bring forth a child with white skin blue eyes and blonde hair call an Albino. Skin color ALONE doesn't necessarily define race, under most classification systems. However it IS a factor. The fact that that Albino child comes directly from African parents and suffers from a defective gene allows them to still be classified under the parents' race. A natural expression of variety isn't necessarily the same as "defective". I would not divide humanity along such arbitrary and transient lines... Perhaps you wouldn't divide humanity at all. However YOU don't make the rules, nor do you live on the planet alone. You have to live UNDER the rules of those who are smarter and more powerful than you....who DO divide humanity however they see fit. The acts in and of themself is homosexual in nature or fits that appellation/label. It depends on the act. Slapping eachother on the butt and kissing eachother playfully while giggling isn't NECESSARILY a sexual act. It's an act often ASSOCIATED with sexual attraction, but not necessarily so. These individuals are not being force but seduce into homosexual behavior The women I've seen who do this are no where NEAR being homosexual...lol. What it means is that they are exhibiting homosexual behaviors and tendencies If you are displaying these behaviors them what are you????? Goofy women playing around...lol. I've seen MANY women do this who were straight as arrows. Again, no where NEAR being homosexual. Most were married, had multiple children, and the thought of homosexuality in serious discussion often confused or disgusted them. Yet they'd still: -Slap another female friend on the butt -Kiss them -Jiggle one of their titties playfully -Even refer to their other female friends as "girlfriends" ...all without a HINT of actual homosexual feelings. If one engages in homosexual acts....it does tend to make one a homosexual... You don't mean "make one" a homosexual as in TURN THEM INTO homosexual do you? In ancient societies it was the the one sodomize that was considered the homosexual....and so I am told it is in prison today - turned out. I've heard that too. Too me...if anything....the OPPOSITE would be true. It's not necessarily the man being poked who is gay. He may be, he may not be....depending on the situation. However if a man can achieve an erection hard enough for anal sex, then HE must be gay to get that turned on.
umbrarchist Posted June 16 Report Posted June 16 21 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: I'll take that over "pickle ball". What the hell is that anyway???? As opposed to Pope Paul! .
ProfD Posted June 16 Author Report Posted June 16 52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: I'll take that over "pickle ball". What the hell is that anyway???? I hadn't even HEARD of it 10 years ago....now every time you turn on the television some celebrity is enjoying a game of "pickle ball" with the family. Pickleball is nothing more than an outdoor version of ping pong aka table tennis. Folks who have disposable time and/or money will make up anything for *sport*. 1
frankster Posted June 17 Report Posted June 17 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: franster Affrimative action was a means to measure how much race is not being used as a tool of oppression. Affrimative Action help all human beings...regardless of race. I don't know about helping "all" human beings. It was originally designed to help AfroAmericans, but actually helps White women more than anybody else. But SOME Black people actually have been helped by Affirmative Action, and they serve as examples of how being classified as a race can be used as a positive. Affirmative action was a method intended/use to redress/remedy a historical wrong and ensure fairness to all applicants. 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Skin color does not denote race.....causes these people can at any time bring forth a child with white skin blue eyes and blonde hair call an Albino. Skin color ALONE doesn't necessarily define race, under most classification systems. However it IS a factor. The fact that that Albino child comes directly from African parents and suffers from a defective gene allows them to still be classified under the parents' race. A natural expression of variety isn't necessarily the same as "defective". Variation in genes usual are of three basic types Harmful are called defective. Neutral have no recognizable effect Beneficial....adaptive(Fitness/Survivability) At any time new information may change the category into which science has plave the gene as to whether it is adaptive neutral or harmful. 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I would not divide humanity along such arbitrary and transient lines... Perhaps you wouldn't divide humanity at all. True....I would not 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: However YOU don't make the rules, nor do you live on the planet alone. True.... 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You have to live UNDER the rules of those who are smarter and more powerful than you....who DO divide humanity however they see fit. I do acquisce to the demands of the more powerful... Dr Clarke and many of our ancestors fought against and would rather die than accept the concept of race racism and all that it implies and connotes. 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The acts in and of themself is homosexual in nature or fits that appellation/label. It depends on the act. Slapping eachother on the butt and kissing eachother playfully while giggling isn't NECESSARILY a sexual act. It's an act often ASSOCIATED with sexual attraction, but not necessarily so. In Western Culture it most definitely is sexual....playful or not. Many people get introduce to sex through play. 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: These individuals are not being force but seduce into homosexual behavior The women I've seen who do this are no where NEAR being homosexual...lol. Maybe you see that... For me the first way to know if a girl is interested in me is by play(create laughter or a smile) and touch 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: What it means is that they are exhibiting homosexual behaviors and tendencies If you are displaying these behaviors them what are you????? Goofy women playing around...lol. That is called seduction....or testing the waters 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I've seen MANY women do this who were straight as arrows. Again, no where NEAR being homosexual. Many women are in the closets or unaware that they can be seduced in a homosexual tryst until it happens... It is believe that more than 50 percentage of women who consider themselves straight have had homosexual experiences 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Most were married, had multiple children, and the thought of homosexuality in serious discussion often confused or disgusted them. I have found from experience that when some women are disgusted by something....that disgust often hide a embarrassing desire 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yet they'd still: -Slap another female friend on the butt -Kiss them -Jiggle one of their titties playfully -Even refer to their other female friends as "girlfriends" ...all without a HINT of actual homosexual feelings. If a woman does any of the above....then they both are suspect - Except girlfriends 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If one engages in homosexual acts....it does tend to make one a homosexual... You don't mean "make one" a homosexual as in TURN THEM INTO homosexual do you? They have engage in a homosexual act....though unwillingly It does not mean they are now going out there seeking same sex partners.. 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: In ancient societies it was the the one sodomize that was considered the homosexual....and so I am told it is in prison today - turned out. I've heard that too. Too me...if anything....the OPPOSITE would be true. It's not necessarily the man being poked who is gay. He may be, he may not be....depending on the situation. However if a man can achieve an erection hard enough for anal sex, then HE must be gay to get that turned on. I would agree...however The problem is being turn on is pretty much out of your control in some situations.. It is often a reflex....physiological hence the reason it is called - turned on
Pioneer1 Posted June 22 Report Posted June 22 frankster Affirmative action was a method intended/use to redress/remedy a historical wrong and ensure fairness to all applicants. But race is factored in TO address/remedy the problem. That's my point. I do acquisce to the demands of the more powerful... Dr Clarke and many of our ancestors fought against and would rather die than accept the concept of race racism and all that it implies and connotes. Considering how he was able to tolerate and adhere to the rules of the Western educational system enough to achieve a doctorate degree in it....I'd say he did some compromising himself, lol. In Western Culture it most definitely is sexual....playful or not. But these women weren't raised IN Western culture. So..... Many people get introduce to sex through play. True Maybe you see that... For me the first way to know if a girl is interested in me is by play(create laughter or a smile) and touch For me, one of the first signs is eye contact. But every (straight) man does what works for him.....lol. Many women are in the closets or unaware that they can be seduced in a homosexual tryst until it happens... True. But they were already homosexual or by sexual and just didn't realize it. It is believe that more than 50 percentage of women who consider themselves straight have had homosexual experiences I'm not sure about that. I think those "homosexual experiences" are just simply EXPERIENCES that can be labeled in a variety of different ways. Some of them can can even be labeled NON-sexual. For example.... A slap on the butt or a kiss isn't necessarily sexual because parents will often do that to their progeny. I have found from experience that when some women are disgusted by something....that disgust often hide a embarrassing desire Lol....I'll leave THAT one alone. If a woman does any of the above....then they both are suspect - Except girlfriends I'd say your standards of judging whether or not a woman is homosexual is pretty low...lol. They'd have to do more than that, or perhaps ONLY that...but over a prolong period of time for me to suspect it. They have engage in a homosexual act....though unwillingly Engaging in homosexual acts...willingly OR unwillingly...DOES NOT necessarily make one a homosexual. A prostitute can engage in homosexual ACTS...and all it would be is JUST AN ACT because she may not really love the woman she's interACTING with.
frankster Posted June 23 Report Posted June 23 On 6/22/2025 at 7:27 AM, Pioneer1 said: frankster Affirmative action was a method intended/use to redress/remedy a historical wrong and ensure fairness to all applicants. But race is factored in TO address/remedy the problem. That's my point. The Concept of race was never a benefit to peoples of African ethnicities.. On 6/22/2025 at 7:27 AM, Pioneer1 said: I do acquisce to the demands of the more powerful... Dr Clarke and many of our ancestors fought against and would rather die than accept the concept of race racism and all that it implies and connotes. Considering how he was able to tolerate and adhere to the rules of the Western educational system enough to achieve a doctorate degree in it....I'd say he did some compromising himself, lol. Where is your proof of this? Gaining a Western education is not proof of accepting the concept of race On 6/22/2025 at 7:27 AM, Pioneer1 said: In Western Culture it most definitely is sexual....playful or not. But these women weren't raised IN Western culture. So..... Where were they raised? On 6/22/2025 at 7:27 AM, Pioneer1 said: Many people get introduce to sex through play. True Thank you On 6/22/2025 at 7:27 AM, Pioneer1 said: Maybe you see that... For me the first way to know if a girl is interested in me is by play(create laughter or a smile) and touch For me, one of the first signs is eye contact. But every (straight) man does what works for him.....lol. cool On 6/22/2025 at 7:27 AM, Pioneer1 said: Many women are in the closets or unaware that they can be seduced in a homosexual tryst until it happens... True. But they were already homosexual or by sexual and just didn't realize it. Exactly On 6/22/2025 at 7:27 AM, Pioneer1 said: It is believe that more than 50 percentage of women who consider themselves straight have had homosexual experiences I'm not sure about that. I think those "homosexual experiences" are just simply EXPERIENCES that can be labeled in a variety of different ways. Some of them can can even be labeled NON-sexual. For example.... A slap on the butt or a kiss isn't necessarily sexual because parents will often do that to their progeny. What kind of a kiss are we speaking of? One never knows what arouses another... On 6/22/2025 at 7:27 AM, Pioneer1 said: I have found from experience that when some women are disgusted by something....that disgust often hide a embarrassing desire Lol....I'll leave THAT one alone. cool On 6/22/2025 at 7:27 AM, Pioneer1 said: if a woman does any of the above....then they both are suspect - Except girlfriends I'd say your standards of judging whether or not a woman is homosexual is pretty low...lol. They'd have to do more than that, or perhaps ONLY that...but over a prolong period of time for me to suspect it. If you are engaging in homosexual acts.....willingly or not - one is considered homosexual On 6/22/2025 at 7:27 AM, Pioneer1 said: They have engage in a homosexual act....though unwillingly Engaging in homosexual acts...willingly OR unwillingly...DOES NOT necessarily make one a homosexual. A prostitute can engage in homosexual ACTS...and all it would be is JUST AN ACT because she may not really love the woman she's interACTING with. Prostitutes are sex workers.....they are whatever you pay them to be - that includes almost all things sexual.
Pioneer1 Posted June 23 Report Posted June 23 frankster The Concept of race was never a benefit to peoples of African ethnicities.. I've already pointed out to you how Civil Rights legislation and policies that specify race has helped many AfroAmericans. Then we have race specific organizations like Black Student Unions and Black History month. Concepts where race is used to show appreciation and praise the achievements of our group. Where is your proof of this? His DOCTORATE DEGREE is proof! If he didn't compromise to Western Academia somewhat...he wouldn't have received it. Where were they raised? Some were raised in Africa, others in the U.S. Expand What kind of a kiss are we speaking of? Lol..."expand". ......."expound"???? Kiss on the cheek. Kiss on the hand. Now if your thinking about deep "tongue" kissing...lol...now I agree THAT'S homosexual! If you are engaging in homosexual acts.....willingly or not - one is considered homosexual Again, it depends on the act itself. Anal sex..that's pretty clear. Slapping eachother on the butt...with clothes on...can have various meanings. Prostitutes are sex workers.....they are whatever you pay them to be - that includes almost all things sexual. So my point.... Just because someone engages in a homosexual act...even voluntarily...doesn't necessarily mean they are homosexual.
frankster Posted June 24 Report Posted June 24 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster The Concept of race was never a benefit to peoples of African ethnicities.. I've already pointed out to you how Civil Rights legislation and policies that specify race has helped many AfroAmericans. Then we have race specific organizations like Black Student Unions and Black History month. Concepts where race is used to show appreciation and praise the achievements of our group. The concept of race has not benefit Africans or so called black peoples.... Civil Rights Legislations has help all....regardless of so called race Affirmative Action is not beneficial....it is Reparative Restitutive Restorative and Compensational for Wrongs. Please know that when I use the words race/s black or white etc it is in the context of a social construct 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Where is your proof of this? His DOCTORATE DEGREE is proof! If he didn't compromise to Western Academia somewhat...he wouldn't have received it. That is not proof... What Doctorate Degree Did he Have? provide proof and link please.. 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Where were they raised? Some were raised in Africa, others in the U.S. Then they knew what those behavior meant and are 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Expand What kind of a kiss are we speaking of? Lol..."expand". ......."expound"???? Kiss on the cheek. Kiss on the hand. Now if your thinking about deep "tongue" kissing...lol...now I agree THAT'S homosexual! Cool the two first are platonic and or social hierarchical The last however is as you stated. 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If you are engaging in homosexual acts.....willingly or not - one is considered homosexual Again, it depends on the act itself. Anal sex..that's pretty clear. Slapping eachother on the butt...with clothes on...can have various meanings. Slapping some one on the butt is sexual....if it is some one of the the same sex - to me it is homosexual 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Prostitutes are sex workers.....they are whatever you pay them to be - that includes almost all things sexual. So my point.... Just because someone engages in a homosexual act...even voluntarily...doesn't necessarily mean they are homosexual. They are homosexual....they do it for money
Pioneer1 Posted June 26 Report Posted June 26 frankster Affirmative Action is not beneficial....it is Reparative Restitutive Restorative and Compensational for Wrongs. Huh??? You're going to have to make that make sense, bruh...lol. How can something reparative, restitutive, restorative, and compensational NOT be beneficial???? That is not proof... What Doctorate Degree Did he Have? provide proof and link please.. Quote At the age of 77 years in 1992 he earned a bachelor’s degree from Pacific Western University and went on to 2 years later to acquire his doctorate from said university (renamed California Miramar University) in Los Angeles in 1994 at the age of 79 years. https://www.african-warrior-scholars.com/dr-john-henrick-clarke-biography/ Slapping some one on the butt is sexual....if it is some one of the the same sex - to me it is homosexual So when professional athletes do it...like in baseball...you think they're behaving as homosexuals? They are homosexual....they do it for money Simply ENGAGING in homosexual acts doesn't necessarily make you a homosexual, though.
frankster Posted June 27 Report Posted June 27 19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Affirmative Action is not beneficial....it is Reparative Restitutive Restorative and Compensational for Wrongs. Huh??? You're going to have to make that make sense, bruh...lol. How can something reparative, restitutive, restorative, and compensational NOT be beneficial???? No advantage or profit was gain......you got back what was yours. 19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: That is not proof... What Doctorate Degree Did he Have? provide proof and link please.. At the age of 77 years in 1992 he earned a bachelor’s degree from Pacific Western University and went on to 2 years later to acquire his doctorate from said university (renamed California Miramar University) in Los Angeles in 1994 at the age of 79 years. https://www.african-warrior-scholars.com/dr-john-henrick-clarke-biography/ A degree in What?????... the question remains unanswered. He Made the statements in 1971...long before that BA and Doctorate was bestowed.... Therefore when he made those statements he did not accept race... Dr Clarke Having a degree is no evidence of him accepting race as a reality 19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Slapping some one on the butt is sexual....if it is some one of the the same sex - to me it is homosexual So when professional athletes do it...like in baseball...you think they're behaving as homosexuals? Yes 19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They are homosexual....they do it for money Simply ENGAGING in homosexual acts doesn't necessarily make you a homosexual, though. Yes it does
Pioneer1 Posted June 27 Report Posted June 27 frankster No advantage or profit was gain......you got back what was yours. Would you agree that there is benefit to taking vitamins and minerals for one's health? A degree in What?????... the question remains unanswered. Well, I know of atleast ONE question that has been answered. Whether or not he has a Doctor's Degree: The answer is YES Dr Clarke Having a degree is no evidence of him accepting race as a reality Who said it was? Yes it does So since Sean Penn kissed (and does more than that actually) a man in the movie "Milk" about a gay politician; that means Sean Penn is a homosexual?
frankster Posted June 28 Report Posted June 28 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster No advantage or profit was gain......you got back what was yours. Would you agree that there is benefit to taking vitamins and minerals for one's health? Yes..... 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: A degree in What?????... the question remains unanswered. Well, I know of atleast ONE question that has been answered. Whether or not he has a Doctor's Degree: The answer is YES Yes.... 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Dr Clarke Having a degree is no evidence of him accepting race as a reality Who said it was? You implied it... 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes it does So since Sean Penn kissed (and does more than that actually) a man in the movie "Milk" about a gay politician; that means Sean Penn is a homosexual? Yes....if they actually kissed.
Pioneer1 Posted June 30 Report Posted June 30 frankster "Would you agree that there is benefit to taking vitamins and minerals for one's health?" Yes..... Why? When you take vitamins and minerals all you're doing is RESTORING your health to where it SHOULD be, which is good. According to YOUR logic, there is no profit or GAIN...you simply restored the health that was yours to begin with. You implied it... I said that him earning a degree is evidence that he compromised himself and submitted himself to accept the idea of race and even put up with racism in order to secure an education and degree IN a racist system. Yes....if they actually kissed. So even in ACTING...it is your belief that if a man kisses another man sexually, that denotes that he is a homosexual?
frankster Posted July 1 Report Posted July 1 7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster "Would you agree that there is benefit to taking vitamins and minerals for one's health?" Yes..... Why? When you take vitamins and minerals all you're doing is RESTORING your health to where it SHOULD be, which is good. According to YOUR logic, there is no profit or GAIN...you simply restored the health that was yours to begin with. Vitamin and minerals are nutrients that are not natural to you as a right....but must be gotten from the food you eat 7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You implied it... I said that him earning a degree is evidence that he compromised himself and submitted himself to accept the idea of race and even put up with racism in order to secure an education and degree IN a racist system. There is and that is not proof that he did so 7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes....if they actually kissed. So even in ACTING...it is your belief that if a man kisses another man sexually, that denotes that he is a homosexual? It is an Homosexual act....
Pioneer1 Posted July 2 Report Posted July 2 frankster Vitamin and minerals are nutrients that are not natural to you as a right....but must be gotten from the food you eat But the benefit is in the HEALTH that it maintains. If you don't need those vitamins or minerals, there is no benefit in taking them. You said: "Affirmative Action is not beneficial....it is Reparative Restitutive Restorative and Compensational for Wrongs. No advantage or profit was gain......you got back what was yours." Just like taking vitamins and minerals to restore you HEALTH is beneficial, Affirmative Action to repair, restitute, restore, and compensate for wrongs and RIGHT them, is beneficial also. There is and that is not proof that he did so It is absolute proof he did so. If he didn't agree to it, he wouldn't have passed those exams to get his degrees. It is an Homosexual act.... I agree that it IS a homosexual act, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's a homosexual infact.
frankster Posted July 2 Report Posted July 2 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Vitamin and minerals are nutrients that are not natural to you as a right....but must be gotten from the food you eat But the benefit is in the HEALTH that it maintains. If you don't need those vitamins or minerals, there is no benefit in taking them. Yes 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You said: "Affirmative Action is not beneficial....it is Reparative Restitutive Restorative and Compensational for Wrongs. No advantage or profit was gain......you got back what was yours." Just like taking vitamins and minerals to restore you HEALTH is beneficial, Affirmative Action to repair, restitute, restore, and compensate for wrongs and RIGHT them, is beneficial also. Vitamins restore your health Affirmative Action recognizes and accepts your Rights....you always had those Rights - they are inalienable. 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: There is and that is not proof that he did so It is absolute proof he did so. If he didn't agree to it, he wouldn't have passed those exams to get his degrees. Not true... He is self taught.....an autodidactic Meaning he sets his own rules.....not the education system 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It is an Homosexual act.... I agree that it IS a homosexual act, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's a homosexual infact. A homosexual act is homosexual....homosexual is sexual activities between individuals of the same sex Homosexual lifestyle means he or she continues to engage in such activity for fun money pleasure or romance
Pioneer1 Posted July 5 Report Posted July 5 frankster Vitamins restore your health Affirmative Action recognizes and accepts your Rights....you always had those Rights - they are inalienable. That's not true. Inalienable means, "unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor." What rights do you or anybody else in this nation have that can't be taken away? Not true... He is self taught.....an autodidactic Meaning he sets his own rules.....not the education system Simply not true. He enrolled in an academic institution and followed the rules OF that institution to remain in it long enough to graduate and get a degree. He didn't set the rules...he FOLLOWED the rules. A homosexual act is homosexual....homosexual is sexual activities between individuals of the same sex However there's a difference between a "homosexual act" and a "homosexual". Just like there's a difference between someone who kills one time in self defense or by accident and an actual "killer". Homosexual lifestyle means he or she continues to engage in such activity for fun money pleasure or romance Even a "homosexual lifestyle" doesn't necessarily make one a homosexual. You must separate the ACT from the feeling/desire/inclination.
frankster Posted July 5 Report Posted July 5 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Vitamins restore your health Affirmative Action recognizes and accepts your Rights....you always had those Rights - they are inalienable. That's not true. Inalienable means, "unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor." What rights do you or anybody else in this nation have that can't be taken away? They were denied... 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Not true... He is self taught.....an autodidactic Meaning he sets his own rules.....not the education system Simply not true. He enrolled in an academic institution and followed the rules OF that institution to remain in it long enough to graduate and get a degree. Dr Clarke was a Chairman of African Studies department at Hunter college in NYC long before he got any such degree. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: He didn't set the rules...he FOLLOWED the rules. As chairman he set the rules... 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: A homosexual act is homosexual....homosexual is sexual activities between individuals of the same sex However there's a difference between a "homosexual act" and a "homosexual". Just like there's a difference between someone who kills one time in self defense or by accident and an actual "killer". Yes....A homosexual is a person and a homosexual act is an action or behavior Both are killers...one or the other maybe a murderer. 1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said: Homosexual lifestyle means he or she continues to engage in such activity for fun money pleasure or romance Even a "homosexual lifestyle" doesn't necessarily make one a homosexual. You must separate the ACT from the feeling/desire/inclination. None sense....
Pioneer1 Posted July 5 Report Posted July 5 frankster They were denied... How can something "inalienable" be denied???? It's like saying an "undefeated champion" lost a fight back in 1997....lol. If it CAN be denied, then by definition it's NOT inalienable. Dr Clarke was a Chairman of African Studies department at Hunter college in NYC long before he got any such degree. He went to SCHOOL to learn how to read, write, and count didn't he? He graduated, didn't he? He DID submit himself to Western Academia at some point...lol As chairman he set the rules... He wasn't ALWAYS a chairman. Both are killers...one or the other maybe a murderer. I wouldn't call a person who kills someone ONE TIME a "killer" any more than I'd call a person who tells ONE LIE a "liar". None sense.... As far as YOU'RE concerned...probably.
frankster Posted July 6 Report Posted July 6 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster They were denied... How can something "inalienable" be denied???? It's like saying an "undefeated champion" lost a fight back in 1997....lol. If it CAN be denied, then by definition it's NOT inalienable. Africans have always been human... For over 300 yrs Europeans with power have denied this fact....in their social construct. Now they are slowly recognizing this truth 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Dr Clarke was a Chairman of African Studies department at Hunter college in NYC long before he got any such degree. He went to SCHOOL to learn how to read, write, and count didn't he? He graduated, didn't he? He DID submit himself to Western Academia at some point...lol When it comes to race history and Africanity he taught academia... 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: As chairman he set the rules... He wasn't ALWAYS a chairman. He was the first and founding chairman....he set the rules. 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Both are killers...one or the other maybe a murderer. I wouldn't call a person who kills someone ONE TIME a "killer" any more than I'd call a person who tells ONE LIE a "liar". They are....a killer and a liar 21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: None sense.... As far as YOU'RE concerned...probably. Link and except please
Pioneer1 Posted July 6 Report Posted July 6 frankster Africans have always been human... For over 300 yrs Europeans with power have denied this fact....in their social construct. Now they are slowly recognizing this truth Africans being "human" isn't the issue. I'm asking you what "rights" do people have....African or otherwise...that are inalienable? When it comes to race history and Africanity he taught academia... It doesn't matter what he TAUGHT; at some point he was a STUDENT in an academic institution which means he had to SUBMIT to the rules and mores of that institution...including racism. I'm sure he had to "pledge allegiance to the flag" on more than one occasion....lol. They are....a killer and a liar Lol.... So telling ONE lie, makes you a liar?
frankster Posted July 6 Report Posted July 6 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Africans have always been human... For over 300 yrs Europeans with power have denied this fact....in their social construct. Now they are slowly recognizing this truth Africans being "human" isn't the issue. I'm asking you what "rights" do people have....African or otherwise...that are inalienable? Their humanity....human rights 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: When it comes to race history and Africanity he taught academia... It doesn't matter what he TAUGHT; at some point he was a STUDENT in an academic institution which means he had to SUBMIT to the rules and mores of that institution...including racism. I'm sure he had to "pledge allegiance to the flag" on more than one occasion....lol. Can you prove any of this.....? I do not know whether or not he pledge... I know he was fundamental to the African Studies as a leader and founder.....he made the rules. 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They are....a killer and a liar Lol.... So telling ONE lie, makes you a liar? Yes
Pioneer1 Posted July 7 Report Posted July 7 frankster Their humanity....human rights Again, inalienable means can't be taken away or given away. What rights do ANY human have that can't be taken away? Can you prove any of this.....? Asking me can I "prove" that he submitted to the rules of the academic institutions he attending is like asking me can I "prove" that he used their bathrooms or wore clothes. It's almost COMMON SENSE that he did. What??? You think he attending academic institutions ran by White folks and MADE UP HIS OWN RULES???? In response to my question: So telling ONE lie, makes you a liar? You said: Yes Now, guess what question I have for you next.....lol.
frankster Posted July 8 Report Posted July 8 On 7/6/2025 at 9:27 PM, Pioneer1 said: frankster Their humanity....human rights Again, inalienable means can't be taken away or given away. What rights do ANY human have that can't be taken away? I Say the above in red again. On 7/6/2025 at 9:27 PM, Pioneer1 said: Can you prove any of this.....? Asking me can I "prove" that he submitted to the rules of the academic institutions he attending is like asking me can I "prove" that he used their bathrooms or wore clothes. It's almost COMMON SENSE that he did. No....because he was the chairman of the African Studies department before he got any degree....he wrote the rules. It is not common sense.....because he is not common On 7/6/2025 at 9:27 PM, Pioneer1 said: What??? You think he attending academic institutions ran by White folks and MADE UP HIS OWN RULES???? Yes On 7/6/2025 at 9:27 PM, Pioneer1 said: In response to my question: So telling ONE lie, makes you a liar? You said: Yes Now, guess what question I have for you next.....lol. I do not have time to guess.......just bring it
Pioneer1 Posted July 8 Report Posted July 8 frankster I Say the above in red again. "Human Rights" is a very vague term that means different things to different people. What SPECIFIC rights are you talking about when you say "human rights"????? No....because he was the chairman of the African Studies department before he got any degree....he wrote the rules. It is not common sense.....because he is not common So when he attended highschool and college as an undergrad....you're saying he went in doing what he wanted to do and didn't have to follow the rules of the institution??? I think you know better than that, lol. Yes Well I suggest you change weed dispensaries then, lol. The THC levels in what you're smoking is TOO high. Balance it off with lower THC and higher Cannabinoids to give those brain cells a break. I do not have time to guess.......just bring it Ok... Have YOU ever told a lie?
frankster Posted July 9 Report Posted July 9 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster I Say the above in red again. "Human Rights" is a very vague term that means different things to different people. What SPECIFIC rights are you talking about when you say "human rights"????? Choose which ever you like.... 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: No....because he was the chairman of the African Studies department before he got any degree....he wrote the rules. It is not common sense.....because he is not common So when he attended highschool and college as an undergrad....you're saying he went in doing what he wanted to do and didn't have to follow the rules of the institution??? I think you know better than that, lol. I do not know what he did in high school..... What I know about the man is that he did not accept the ideology of race.... I am saying He was chairman before he got any degree..... there you go trying to conflate college and high school....yeah you do not do such things??? 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes Well I suggest you change weed dispensaries then, lol. The THC levels in what you're smoking is TOO high. Balance it off with lower THC and higher Cannabinoids to give those brain cells a break. I know for a fact he did that at the college where he was chairman....he made the rules. keep trying to conflate the issue....not going to work - lol 15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I do not have time to guess.......just bring it Ok... Have YOU ever told a lie? Have you? I will only answer that after you have.
Pioneer1 Posted July 11 Report Posted July 11 frankster Choose which ever you like.... Present my options to choose from. I do not know what he did in high school..... You know he didn't go up in there making up his own rules. You know THAT much. there you go trying to conflate college and high school....yeah you do not do such things??? You're talking like he never had to compromise or conform to the institutionalized structure of racism. I'm showing you that he absolutely HAD to at some point in his life. Have you? Who HASN'T told a lie, before????
frankster Posted July 11 Report Posted July 11 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Choose which ever you like.... Present my options to choose from. I will not do such a thing 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I do not know what he did in high school..... You know he didn't go up in there making up his own rules. You know THAT much. He was the Chairman.... 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: there you go trying to conflate college and high school....yeah you do not do such things??? You're talking like he never had to compromise or conform to the institutionalized structure of racism. I'm showing you that he absolutely HAD to at some point in his life. No....I do not know that he did as Chairman 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Have you? Who HASN'T told a lie, before???? Have you? yes or no?
Pioneer1 Posted July 16 Report Posted July 16 frankster I will not do such a thing Because you CAN'T....lol. He was the Chairman.... Did he enter HIGH SCHOOL as the "Chairman"???? No....I do not know that he did as Chairman But he wasn't always "chairman". He didn't come out of his mama's womb being a "chairman". Have you? yes or no? Stop playing games man. Me, you, and almost everybody else reading this KNOWS why you won't answer my question...lol. You ain't fooling nobody BUT yourself if you think otherwise.
frankster Posted July 17 Report Posted July 17 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster I will not do such a thing Because you CAN'T....lol. Because I choose not to... 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: He was the Chairman.... Did he enter HIGH SCHOOL as the "Chairman"???? I guess not... Whatever he thought as a child in high school is beyond the scope of my knowledge of the man As chairman of the African studies he made the rules... When it comes to race he taught that - Nature knows no color line 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: No....I do not know that he did as Chairman But he wasn't always "chairman". He didn't come out of his mama's womb being a "chairman". No he did not.... 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Have you? yes or no? Stop playing games man. Me, you, and almost everybody else reading this KNOWS why you won't answer my question...lol. You ain't fooling nobody BUT yourself if you think otherwise. Yet you have not answered yes or no yourself....lol
Pioneer1 Posted July 17 Report Posted July 17 frankster Because I choose not to... It's not a matter of "choice". You simply CAN'T think of one single "right" that is inalienable because you know as soon as you name one I can show you atleast one example of how it was denied or stripped away. And in most cases dozens of examples. There are simply ARE NO "rights" that can't be taken away by other people, including the right to life. I guess not... Whatever he thought as a child in high school is beyond the scope of my knowledge of the man But your suggesting that he never compromised to racism or the racist system -would demand that even in high school and even further back there would be a record of him not submitting to or compromising with it. So it matters. When it comes to race he taught that - Nature knows no color line He could teach what he liked, but the racists in charge decided how the world would operate. And that it WOULD operate based on race and racial classification. Yet you have not answered yes or no yourself....lol ....because I don't have to. Anybody with common sense would know the answer to that question because it would apply to themselves and everybody else old enough to talk -including YOU. Which is why you won't answer it.
frankster Posted July 18 Report Posted July 18 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Because I choose not to... It's not a matter of "choice". You simply CAN'T think of one single "right" that is inalienable because you know as soon as you name one I can show you atleast one example of how it was denied or stripped away. And in most cases dozens of examples. There are simply ARE NO "rights" that can't be taken away by other people, including the right to life. Cool. I agree your Rights can be Denied... 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I guess not... Whatever he thought as a child in high school is beyond the scope of my knowledge of the man But your suggesting that he never compromised to racism or the racist system -would demand that even in high school and even further back there would be a record of him not submitting to or compromising with it. So it matters. You are one saying he submitted to the idea of Race....I have no such info or knowledge. if you have that knowledge or info please produce it quote and link? Lastly you going all the way back to his childhood....before he became an adult and developed his own mind is a weak argument - he would have been considered a minor and not entirely responsibile for his decisions or actions as he would be under the care and guidance of the adults in his family having not reach the age of Maturity/majority or Responsibility 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: When it comes to race he taught that - Nature knows no color line He could teach what he liked, but the racists in charge decided how the world would operate. And that it WOULD operate based on race and racial classification. Not the entire world or even North America......Only in place where and when the held power. Even in the heart of slavedom in the Antibellum Southern United States South of the Mason Dixon line Quakers never accept or practice Race and or Racism in their communities as a rule law or way of life. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yet you have not answered yes or no yourself....lol ....because I don't have to. Anybody with common sense would know the answer to that question because it would apply to themselves and everybody else old enough to talk -including YOU. Which is why you won't answer it. Yet you still have not answered yes or no....lol
Pioneer1 Posted July 19 Report Posted July 19 frankster Cool. I agree your Rights can be Denied... Then they aren't inalienable as you claimed. Lastly you going all the way back to his childhood....before he became an adult and developed his own mind is a weak argument - he would have been considered a minor and not entirely responsibile for his decisions or actions as he would be under the care and guidance of the adults in his family having not reach the age of Maturity/majority or Responsibility Perhaps you're confusing a "weak argument" with an "easy win" since it clearly proves you wrong...lol. Your suggesting that Dr. Clarke has never compromised or submitted to racism flies in the face of common sense. Even in the heart of slavedom in the Antibellum Southern United States South of the Mason Dixon line Quakers never accept or practice Race and or Racism in their communities as a rule law or way of life. In THEIR communities. But once a Black Quaker steps OUTSIDE of that community, he's subject to the same laws and rules that other Black people are subject to. Yet you still have not answered yes or no....lol And neither have you. And YOU were the first one to be asked the question.
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